The Will of God For All Women

[PreaherOfTruth]

The Will of God For All Women

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
5: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Mark, Chapter 10
12: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Romans, Chapter 7
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
5: But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 14
34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Timothy, Chapter 5
14: I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Titus, Chapter 2
3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus, Chapter 2, 004:    That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5: To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

[PreaherOfTruth]

The Will of God For All Women

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
5: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Mark, Chapter 10
12: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Romans, Chapter 7
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
5: But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 14
34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Timothy, Chapter 5
14: I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Titus, Chapter 2
3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus, Chapter 2, 004:    That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5: To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

How can anyone believe that it is or ever has been the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

[Red Baker]

Your list is without much merit since you just wrote in all dark bold letter (which is offensive and rightly so) many scriptures that had women in them.  So, if you desire someone to talk with you, then go back and redo your post, am I am sure there will be some that would talk with you. 

I will debate four or five points with you and they are these: Is pastor an office of the church, or, a work that a bishop does. Secondly, did the the churches that Paul wrote to have a single bishop over them? Thirdly, What does the scriptures mean when it said that Paul and the men with him, went an ordained elders in every church~Acts 14:23? Fourth~Who where the elders of Acts 15 in the church at Jerusalem with the apostles?  Fifth~Since you call your self preacheroftruth (I am not mocking you with that name, God forbid~should only "pastors/bishops baptized new converts?

RB

[chosenone]

I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

[PreaherOfTruth]

Your list is without much merit since you just wrote in all dark bold letter (which is offensive and rightly so) many scriptures that had women in them. 

Rebuttal question 1
In what way is what I posted, offensive to you.

Rebuttal question 2
Why do the verses from the bible that I posted have no merit with you?

Rebuttal question 3
What does posting them in bold lettering have anything to do with anything?

[PreaherOfTruth]

I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

[PreaherOfTruth]

I will debate four or five points with you and they are these: Is pastor an office of the church, or, a work that a bishop does.

Rebuttal reply  4

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

[PreaherOfTruth]

[/i]Secondly, did the the churches that Paul wrote to have a single bishop over them?

Rebuttal reply 5

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

[chosenone]

I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

If God calls them to do that, then they need to do it. No one should reject Gods calling surely.

[DaveW]

I find it interesting that:

* People feel a need to tell the "other group" how they are supposed to obey God rather than concentrating on the instructions to their own group.

* People will use Galatians 3:28** to prove that Jews do not have a unique set of rules but insist that women do, which totally violates their own interpretation of the verse.



**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[PreaherOfTruth]

hirdly, What does the scriptures mean when it said that Paul and the men with him, went an ordained elders in every church~Acts 14:23?

Rebuttal reply 6

It meant they went and ordained elders in every church. If it is your intentions to prove any of them were women, then by all means do so.

[PreaherOfTruth]

[/b]? Fourth~Who where the elders of Acts 15 in the church at Jerusalem with the apostles?  Fifth~Since you call your self preacheroftruth (I am not mocking you with that name, God forbid~should only "pastors/bishops baptized new converts?

Rebuttal reply 7

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

[Red Baker]

Your list is without much merit since you just wrote in all dark bold letter (which is offensive and rightly so) many scriptures that had women in them. 

Rebuttal question 1
In what way is what I posted, offensive to you.

Rebuttal question 2
Why do the verses from the bible that I posted have no merit with you?

Rebuttal question 3
What does posting them in bold lettering have anything to do with anything?

Not offensive to me, but, because you put them all in black letters, they can the taken by some to be offensive.  I meant no more than that.  All Scriptures have merit, yet when they are just quoted with no meaning attached to them, they carry no merit to who ever you are trying to reach or speak to.  I mean no that that.  What they mean to you, might mean something else to the next person.

RB

[PreaherOfTruth]

I find it interesting that:

* People feel a need to tell the "other group" how they are supposed to obey God rather than concentrating on the instructions to their own group.

* People will use Galatians 3:28** to prove that Jews do not have a unique set of rules but insist that women do, which totally violates their own interpretation of the verse.



**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

[Red Baker]

I will debate four or five points with you and they are these: Is pastor an office of the church, or, a work that a bishop does.

Rebuttal reply  4

Please establish how this has any bearing on the will of God for women.

Nothing~but if you desire to debate, and since you call yourself preacherofTruth I thought you would like to show me your truth that you have.  Nothing more.  Come after the men and leave the women alone.

[PreaherOfTruth]

I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

If God calls them to do that, then they need to do it. No one should reject Gods calling surely.

Rebuttal question 2

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

[Jimmy]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

[Red Baker]

I find it interesting that:

* People feel a need to tell the "other group" how they are supposed to obey God rather than concentrating on the instructions to their own group.

* People will use Galatians 3:28** to prove that Jews do not have a unique set of rules but insist that women do, which totally violates their own interpretation of the verse.



**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rebuttal question 1

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

It is not the will of God for women to be in place of leadership over the man, when the church comes together in one place, neither in the home, so there is your answer. But allow me to make a couple of points. 

There are godly women who have more insight than many men.  More zeal, than many men, and more love of the truth, than many men. I can name a few in the word of God, and outside of the scriptures. How many do you want?

RB

[DaveW]

Is this why you believe that it is the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

No.  I never said that.

It is why I believe Jews in the New Covenant still need to follow the Law of Moses.

But since you brought it up - I see there is a POSSIBILITY of women being in church leadership along with their husbands by the examples of Priscilla and Aquila and the APOSTLES Andronicus and Junia.

Romans 16:7  Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Both these are not commands but are examples of what might be acceptable. SO I see there is a possibility.

[Red Baker]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

I love you my friend.  I knew that you were wise.

[PreaherOfTruth]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

Rebuttal reply 1

By all means pull the beam out of my eye.

Matthew, Chapter 7, 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[DaveW]

I started to post something humorous as well but our brother is wanting a serious discussion.

Perhaps we should concentrate more on his subject rather than making jokes about beams ...

[Red Baker]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

Rebuttal reply 1

By all means pull the beam out of my eye.

Matthew, Chapter 7, 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

We cannot until you give us the light that you believe you have, or, you may be able to pull the beam out of my eyes.  You have not really revealed anything as of yet.  All you done is quote scriptures without any explaining  of what you believe concerning them. Here I have a scripture for you:

"There was man in the land of UZ, whose name was Job; and that man was upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

Now go and figure out my doctrine from that scripture.  This is what you have done so far.

RB

[Jimmy]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

Rebuttal reply 1

By all means pull the beam out of my eye.

Matthew, Chapter 7, 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

You opening post is the beam in your eye.

[Jimmy]

I started to post something humorous as well but our brother is wanting a serious discussion.

Perhaps we should concentrate more on his subject rather than making jokes about beams ...

He is not wanting a serious discussion.  He simply posted a bunch of verses to get a rise out of someone so he could pontificate on some pet peeve.

[MeMyself]

He is not wanting a serious discussion.  He simply posted a bunch of verses to get a rise out of someone so he could pontificate on some pet peeve.

I agree!

[DaveW]

He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

[AVZ]

I find it interesting that some men feel the need to tell women what they must and most not do. Maybe they need to be more concerned with what God says to THEM, and their own lives and walk with God. I am sure there is lot of room for improvement there before they start on others.
God is quite capable of speaking to and teaching his daughters Himself about what He requires of them and their place in His kingdom, and He does so all the time.

Chosenone, thou shalt hold your tongue 

[AVZ]

He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

People actually get excommunicated from this board?

[MeMyself]

He is new here and pastors a church containing people who got banned here.

He is seeing if we are as bad as he was led to believe.  Writing him off will only convince him we are all blood sucking despots.

Give him some space and engage him.

His posting style sure seems familiar...same issue with women, same writing cadence, same debate style as "others" that have posted here and really enjoy the PM feature. Just sayin'...

[PreaherOfTruth]

It is not the will of God for women to be in place of leadership over the man, when the church comes together in one place, neither in the home, so there is your answer. But allow me to make a couple of points. 

Rebuttal question 8

Do you believe that God called any women to be a Pastor or a Bishop in any of the books of the bible?

[JohnDB]

These Bible verses, albeit from KJV are truth as they come from the Bible.

In context they are beautiful truths.

We don't need to presuppose evil intent upon all who grace this board even though we have had plenty of pot stirring trolls of late.

So let's calm down & see what preaher of truth has to say about what he believes these verses have to do with modern life today.

[PreaherOfTruth]

There are godly women who have more insight than many men.  More zeal, than many men, and more love of the truth, than many men. I can name a few in the word of God, and outside of the scriptures. How many do you want?

Rebuttal question 9

How can any woman be Godly outside of the scriptures?

[PreaherOfTruth]

It seems pretty clear this PreacherOfTruth has a beam in his eye.  Probably couldn't get a date in high school.

Rebuttal reply 1

By all means pull the beam out of my eye.

Matthew, Chapter 7, 3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

You opening post is the beam in your eye.

Rebuttal Reply 2

A beam of Light.

[MeMyself]

There are godly women who have more insight than many men.  More zeal, than many men, and more love of the truth, than many men. I can name a few in the word of God, and outside of the scriptures. How many do you want?

Rebuttal question 9

How can any woman be Godly outside of the scriptures?

He means in real life.