The Will of God For All Women

[PreaherOfTruth]

Rebuttal Question 1
Please give me an example when the word of God put in any context is not the word of God.

Matthew 4:6   and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'"

In that case the Word of God (Psalm 91.12) was the word of the devil instead of God.

When the Word is used to twist things around it becomes the word of the devil.

Please use one of the verses in question in this debate.

The are all listed several times on the thread.

[PreaherOfTruth]

I would love to be able to ask your husband about all these things you say on here.  The first question I would ask him...Do you wish your wife would stop spending so much of her time every day on the computer.
Then I would ask him what he had rather you be doing with all that time you are on the computer ever day.

I can almost here him tell me now.

No man has a right to ask another man why his wife is doing this or that, on such maters.  Who do you believe you are?  That's one reason I reject self appointed "pastors" over God's people.  It is between a man and his wife on what they allow between themselves, concerning such things.

This you have said is not the will of God for those in his church.


Hebrews, Chapter 13, 17:    Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

[PreaherOfTruth]

The Will of God For All Women

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
5: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Mark, Chapter 10
12: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Romans, Chapter 7
2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
5: But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 14
34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Timothy, Chapter 5
14: I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

Titus, Chapter 2
3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus, Chapter 2, 004:    That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5: To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

I have undeniably proved that it is not the will of God for any women to ever be Pastors and Bishops in his church. All these women that are claiming to be Pastors and Bishops in God's church and the people that supports them and accept them as Pastors and Bishops in God's, are outside the will of God.

Any of you that are not members can sign up and come debate me if you believe otherwise.

I welcome all unbelievers of the written word of God to a debate.

[DaveW]

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I believe all Godly women are inferior to all Godly men. God created them as such. And said so.

1 Peter, Chapter 3, 7:    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

You clearly misinterpret 2 things - "weaker vessel" and "rule over."

"Rule over" first:

Matt 25.25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.
26 It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,

Luke 22.26 But it is not this way with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the servant
27a  For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at the table?

If you think the servant is less or inferior then you are turning this principle on its head and acting like one of those gentiles Our Lord told us to NOT BE LIKE.

Indeed I know some engineers. PhD physicists and scientists whose bosses have business degrees and have no ability to do what their "underlings" do every day. Who is "inferior?"

"weaker vessel:" 

Have you ever done sensitive measuring?  If you are trying to get an accurate air pressure or sound frequency or voltage or weight; you need a very sensitive gage instrument.  It is of necessity "weaker" as its sensitivity makes it not durable. Any sharp blow will knock it out of adjustment. Sure there are more durable gages but they do not have the fine acuity of the more sensitive ones which are weaker.

In the Acts accounts of Priscilla and her husband Aquila, which one was "inferior" and which one did most of the biblical teaching?

[PreaherOfTruth]

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I believe all Godly women are inferior to all Godly men. God created them as such. And said so.

1 Peter, Chapter 3, 7:    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

You clearly misinterpret 2 things - "weaker vessel" and "rule over."

"Rule over" first:

Matt 25.25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.
26 It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant,

Luke 22.26 But it is not this way with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the servant
27a  For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at the table?

If you think the servant is less or inferior then you are turning this principle on its head and acting like one of those gentiles Our Lord told us to NOT BE LIKE.

Indeed I know some engineers. PhD physicists and scientists whose bosses have business degrees and have no ability to do what their "underlings" do every day. Who is "inferior?"

"weaker vessel:" 

Have you ever done sensitive measuring?  If you are trying to get an accurate air pressure or sound frequency or voltage or weight; you need a very sensitive gage instrument.  It is of necessity "weaker" as its sensitivity makes it not durable. Any sharp blow will knock it out of adjustment. Sure there are more durable gages but they do not have the fine acuity of the more sensitive ones which are weaker.

In the Acts accounts of Priscilla and her husband Aquila, which one was "inferior" and which one did most of the biblical teaching?

You just never stop do you.  How many times do I have to prove you to be incorrect before you will believe?

Do you believe that God set man over the woman and gave him rule over her?
Yes or no?

Do you believe that women are superior to men?
Yes or no?

If not then do you believe they are equal to men?
Yes or no?

[DaveW]

Rebuttal Question 1
Please give me an example when the word of God put in any context is not the word of God.

Matthew 4:6   and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'"

In that case the Word of God (Psalm 91.12) was the word of the devil instead of God.

When the Word is used to twist things around it becomes the word of the devil.

Please use one of the verses in question in this debate.

The are all listed several times on the thread.

No - you said "Word of God in any context." That opens up the whole bible. You opened it up.

Do you not believe the whole bible?

[PreaherOfTruth]

Rebuttal Question 1
Please give me an example when the word of God put in any context is not the word of God.

Matthew 4:6   and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'"

In that case the Word of God (Psalm 91.12) was the word of the devil instead of God.

When the Word is used to twist things around it becomes the word of the devil.

Please use one of the verses in question in this debate.

The are all listed several times on the thread.

No - you said "Word of God in any context." That opens up the whole bible. You opened it up.

Do you not believe the whole bible?

I am not even going to bother with is...it is out of context and is incorrect.

We all can read exactly what I said.

[PreaherOfTruth]

The Word of God is the Word of God
in Any Context. It never changes.

[DaveW]

You just never stop do you.  How many times do I have to prove you to be incorrect before you will believe?

No I do not stop.  I suspect that is something we have in common.

And the only thing you have "proved" is that we disagree. I do not and will not accept your goyish interpretation of scripture that has no basis in either logic or Hebrew culture.

Do you believe that God set man over the woman and gave him rule over her?
Yes or no?

To have authority in his own family - Yes. 

I also believe in Heb 13.17: Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account.

IOW - If I expect my wife to submit to my authority, I had better be submitting myself to my congregational leaders to the same degree.

Do you believe that women are superior to men?
Yes or no?

In some things yes. (like nurturing and spiritual sensitivity)  In other things no.

If not then do you believe they are equal to men?
Yes or no?

In spiritual standing before God we are all equal. 
But we each have differing functions and lines of obedience.

Are you superior or equal to your children? Children are to submit and obey parents.  But that does not make them inferior.

[PreaherOfTruth]

You just never stop do you.  How many times do I have to prove you to be incorrect before you will believe?

No I do not stop.  I suspect that is something we have in common.

And the only thing you have "proved" is that we disagree. I do not and will not accept your goyish interpretation of scripture that has no basis in either logic or Hebrew culture.

Do you believe that God set man over the woman and gave him rule over her?
Yes or no?

To have authority in his own family - Yes. 

I also believe in Heb 13.17: Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account.

IOW - If I expect my wife to submit to my authority, I had better be submitting myself to my congregational leaders to the same degree.

Do you believe that women are superior to men?
Yes or no?

In some things yes. (like nurturing and spiritual sensitivity)  In other things no.

If not then do you believe they are equal to men?
Yes or no?

In spiritual standing before God we are all equal. 
But we each have differing functions and lines of obedience.

Are you superior or equal to your children? Children are to submit and obey parents.  But that does not make them inferior.

I have proved everything you have said to be incorrect when presented as an argument to what I have stated.


We all can read it. it is right here all on this thread. You are in denial.

[DaveW]

I have proved everything you have said to be incorrect when presented as an argument to what I have stated.

We all can read it. it is right here all on this thread. You are in denial.

No, you have NOT proved what I have said to be incorrect. You have proved you have a particular interpretation of scripture that cannot stand up to certain challenges which I have brought up and you have not addressed.

I think you are assuming (do you know how to spell ASS-U-ME?) that I believe something I do not.

To be clear, I do not think it proper for women to be pastors or elders; with the exception of them being in those positions along side their husbands.  (after all as Our Lord said "so they are no longer two but one flesh...")  I do not see that same prohibition on being teachers both in a classroom or in the general congregation or even larger assemblies. The prohibition of women teaching men (1 Tim 2.12) if read carefully involves "usurping authority" - something also prohibited to men.  But if she is doing that with her husband's approval and support she is usurping nothing.

[PreaherOfTruth]

I have proved everything you have said to be incorrect when presented as an argument to what I have stated.

We all can read it. it is right here all on this thread. You are in denial.

No, you have NOT proved what I have said to be incorrect. You have proved you have a particular interpretation of scripture that cannot stand up to certain challenges which I have brought up and you have not addressed.

I think you are assuming (do you know how to spell ASS-U-ME?) that I believe something I do not.

To be clear, I do not think it proper for women to be pastors or elders; with the exception of them being in those positions along side their husbands.  (after all as Our Lord said "so they are no longer two but one flesh...")  I do not see that same prohibition on being teachers both in a classroom or in the general congregation or even larger assemblies. The prohibition of women teaching men (1 Tim 2.12) if read carefully involves "usurping authority" - something also prohibited to men.  But if she is doing that with her husband's approval and support she is usurping nothing.

One thing is for sure. We will see
what God has to say about this you have said to me.

I believe he is not going to agree with you.

I know he is not going to agree with you. So much that I will honor my words.

With any test that you so desire to take.

[PreaherOfTruth]

In the days of the bible and back. Men were required to honor their words. They were often put to the test. Jesus was put to death to honor his words. I have been put to the test of death many times to honor my words. I live it. I walk it. And any time you want to match up with me...you just let me know. I will oblige you.

[Red Baker]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

Do you think this inferiority is true of all women, or does it just seep into them once they become married?

I believe all Godly women are inferior to all Godly men. God created them as such. And said so.

1 Peter, Chapter 3, 7:    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

You said:"I believe all Godly women are inferior to all Godly men. God created them as such. And said so." You have a perverted and corrupt understanding concerning such things.  Where is your scriptures support? Either provide such, or you are speaking a vision of your own heart, which is against the holy scriptures. This cannot be said to be true absolutely and in all cases.  For there are some godly women who have a better understanding of the truth, than some sincere and godly men.  The scriptures will support what I just said.

Rb

[DaveW]

This is not a "match up with me..." thing.  The Word is bigger than any one person or even an entire denomination.

I am not sure how you know as you claim you do that HE will agree with you. You seem to be basing your interpretation on 19th century western culture instead of first century mid eastern Jewish culture (the ONLY proper cultural backdrop for the NT)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever (Hebrews 13:8)  And "yesterday" (to the author of Hebrews) Jesus was the most observant Orthodox Jew that ever lived.   If we are to properly emulate HIM, then we need to know something of late 2nd temple period Judaism. 

And if you want to properly understand the biblical instructions to women; find out how women were treated and looked at in that culture.   They were highly regarded; prized and treasured. Take every phrase in that context.


I am not your enemy. I am trying to lift your viewpoint a few degrees.

[Red Baker]

I would love to be able to ask your husband about all these things you say on here.  The first question I would ask him...Do you wish your wife would stop spending so much of her time every day on the computer.
Then I would ask him what he had rather you be doing with all that time you are on the computer ever day.

I can almost here him tell me now.

No man has a right to ask another man why his wife is doing this or that, on such maters.  Who do you believe you are?  That's one reason I reject self appointed "pastors" over God's people.  It is between a man and his wife on what they allow between themselves, concerning such things.

This you have said is not the will of God for those in his church.


Hebrews, Chapter 13, 17:    Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

No man has the right to lord over God's heritage, no one. 1 Peter 5:3 Specially, another man over a man's wife.  There should be very little contact between a man and woman, other than her own husband, very little.  I know some of these modern day self appoint prophets, believe that they should know everything about those people who they believe are under their care, even to a point of what goes on in their bedroom.  Such men are false prophets, they are the ones Paul said which creep into houses and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts!  "IF" you believe that the women should submit to you, more so than to her husband, or that you even have the right to speak to them privately without their husband being presence, then you are a false prophet.

RB

[PreaherOfTruth]

1. How can anyone believe that it is or ever has been the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 14
34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Titus, Chapter 2
3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus, Chapter 2, 004:    That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5: To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

[PreaherOfTruth]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

[PreaherOfTruth]

3. How can anyone believe that it is the will of God, for women to dress and look anyway other than according to the standards set here in the written word of God?

Deuteronomy, Chapter 22
5: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2
9: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

[chosenone]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

[chosenone]

I have proved everything you have said to be incorrect when presented as an argument to what I have stated.

We all can read it. it is right here all on this thread. You are in denial.

No, you have NOT proved what I have said to be incorrect. You have proved you have a particular interpretation of scripture that cannot stand up to certain challenges which I have brought up and you have not addressed.

I think you are assuming (do you know how to spell ASS-U-ME?) that I believe something I do not.

To be clear, I do not think it proper for women to be pastors or elders; with the exception of them being in those positions along side their husbands.  (after all as Our Lord said "so they are no longer two but one flesh...")  I do not see that same prohibition on being teachers both in a classroom or in the general congregation or even larger assemblies. The prohibition of women teaching men (1 Tim 2.12) if read carefully involves "usurping authority" - something also prohibited to men.  But if she is doing that with her husband's approval and support she is usurping nothing.

One thing is for sure. We will see
what God has to say about this you have said to me.

I believe he is not going to agree with you.

I know he is not going to agree with you. So much that I will honor my words.

With any test that you so desire to take.

  I believe that God is well aware of what you are doing here.

The verse that you keep quoting is what happened as a result of the fall. We are now in a new covenant, and Jesus has made all things new.

[PreaherOfTruth]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

You seem to get your facts changed around. They warned me about you. You go back and read the thread. 

That is what I said when Jimmy ask me the question.

"You think she is lying?"

I did not call here a liar

I answered his direct question to me.

[PreaherOfTruth]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

You seem to get your facts changed around. They warned me about you. You go back and read the thread. 

That is what I said when Jimmy ask me the question.

"You think she is lying?"

I did not call here a liar

I answered his direct question to me.

[chosenone]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

Genesis, Chapter 3
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 11
3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Peter, Chapter 3
1: Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2: While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5: For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

You dont seem to be able to grasp that the fact that the man leading the family does not make him better or more important in Gods eyes.

Those who work may have someone in charge of them at work, but that doesn't make them any less important as a person or any less important  in Gods eyes.

[chosenone]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

You seem to get your facts changed around. They warned me about you. You go back and read the thread. 

That is what I said when Jimmy ask me the question.

"You think she is lying?"

I did not call here a liar

I answered his direct question to me.

I am really glad they warned about me, proves I am doing my job well.

You accused her of lying about her own husband. Who you know nothing about. Quite ridiculous.

[Jimmy]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

You seem to get your facts changed around. They warned me about you. You go back and read the thread. 

That is what I said when Jimmy ask me the question.

"You think she is lying?"

I did not call here a liar

I answered his direct question to me.

I am really glad they warned about me, proves I am doing my job well.

You accused her of lying about her own husband. Who you know nothing about. Quite ridiculous.

Yes and by doing so he showed himself to not be a very nice person and not a person in search of truth. He is here only to accuse. Perhaps if no one feeds him he will just go away.

[MeMyself]

3. "equals in life"~Here dear saint is where we will disagree, maybe.  The God of heaven has made your husband over you.  I did not chose to be a man, God chose that for me.  It carry's a tremendous responsibility being the head of my wife.  I am suppose to cherish her and love her as the weaker vessel just as Christ so loved his church, and gave himself for it.  We are to love our wives as our own body. Wives are to submit to their own husband in everything as it is fit in the Lord.    I did not write these words, but would be unfaithful to them if I did not speak up and teach them just as God gave them to us.  1 Peter 3:1-5,6; Col. 3:18. etc.

We have our commands for us toward our wives as well.

RB

I don't see those truths as in anyway "unequal" in value and life.  I see his role as protection, providing and security.  I am his helper, and do whatever I can to support his role as leader. But, he is not superior to me. I am not lesser just because I am a woman.  I am not flawed for being made a woman, and that is what the OP is saying.

[MeMyself]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

quite easily actually!  It never says otherwise

What did "IT" never say otherwise?

Sorry. A typo.  Rushing around last night ..."it" was meaning THE BIBLE. The BIBLE never never never says wives are inferior to their husbands, and are not equal in value as human beings.

[MeMyself]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

Do you think this inferiority is true of all women, or does it just seep into them once they become married?

I believe all Godly women are inferior to all Godly men. God created them as such. And said so.

1 Peter, Chapter 3, 7:    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

How are you honoring women by calling them inferior?!

"Weaker vessel" means more tender, softer, more easily wounded by words, actions and attitudes of their husbands than the husband's male friends are.

[MeMyself]

I would love to be able to ask your husband about all these things you say on here.  The first question I would ask him...Do you wish your wife would stop spending so much of her time every day on the computer.
Then I would ask him what he had rather you be doing with all that time you are on the computer ever day.

I can almost here him tell me now.

No man has a right to ask another man why his wife is doing this or that, on such maters.  Who do you believe you are?  That's one reason I reject self appointed "pastors" over God's people.  It is between a man and his wife on what they allow between themselves, concerning such things.

This you have said is not the will of God for those in his church.


Hebrews, Chapter 13, 17:    Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

You have no rule over anyone here.

[MeMyself]

To be clear, I do not think it proper for women to be pastors or elders; with the exception of them being in those positions along side their husbands.  (after all as Our Lord said "so they are no longer two but one flesh...")  I do not see that same prohibition on being teachers both in a classroom or in the general congregation or even larger assemblies. The prohibition of women teaching men (1 Tim 2.12) if read carefully involves "usurping authority" - something also prohibited to men.  But if she is doing that with her husband's approval and support she is usurping nothing.

This is my conviction as well.

[MeMyself]

I will have to tell you like it is with me.  I am starting to see what they have been saying about this place.


We are on a debate forum.  This is a forum where you express what you believe.

It is terrible how I have been treated here so far.

People haven't mistreated you in any way.

I believe God is
going to see it differently than you do.

Don't you think that calling people liars because they disagree with you is very rude?

NO...and

I have not called anyone a liar in this debate.

Here is what you said about Memyself when she was speaking about her own husband.

"Yes, I believe she is lying."

I somehow thinks she knows about her own husband and marriage more than you do.

You seem to get your facts changed around. They warned me about you. You go back and read the thread. 

That is what I said when Jimmy ask me the question.

"You think she is lying?"

I did not call here a liar

I answered his direct question to me.

and said I was lying, which is calling me a liar.

Its hair splitting to insist you did not just because the exact L word didn't fall from your lips.

At any rate, it didn't bother me one bit, because I know its just deflection.

[DaveW]

I am really glad they warned about me, proves I am doing my job well.

Hats off to the hard-working Mods who IMO do a great job here!!     

[DaveW]

2. How can any one believe that it is the will of God,  for a wife to ever be equal to her husband?

You seem to mistake authority with greater worth. Typical goyish response.

[DaveW]

1. How can anyone believe that it is or ever has been the will of God for any woman to be a Pastor or a Bishop in the Church?

Is that your ONLY  point - to put down women?

My dad at least had opinions on other subjects. Speaking of my dad - I asked you if you believed women were the slaves of every man and you never answered.