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God's Infinite Justice! People go to Hell for Performing a Life of Dead Works!

Started by Mirage, Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 10:55:49

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Mirage

Do you believe God is a just God  for allowing people to burn in hell for all eternity for performing a life of dead works?
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. GOD IS NOT MOCKED!


Hebrews 9:14
QuoteHow much more shall the blood of Christ, who by the Holy Ghost offered himself unspotted unto God, cleanse our conscience from dead works, to serve the living God?


James 2:16-26
Quote[16] And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? [17] So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. [18] But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. [19] Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. [24] Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? [25] And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?
[26] For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

Hebrews 10:26-39
Quote[26] For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. [28] A man making void the law of Moses, dieth without any mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] How much more, do you think he deserveth worse punishments, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath esteemed the blood of the testament unclean, by which he was sanctified, and hath offered an affront to the Spirit of grace? [30] For we know him that hath said: Vengeance belongeth to me, and I will repay. And again: The Lord shall judge his people.
[26] If we sin wilfully: He speaks of the sin of wilful apostasy from the known truth; after which, as we can not be baptized again, we can not expect to have that abundant remission of sins, which Christ purchased by his death, applied to our souls in that ample manner as it is in baptism: but we have rather all manner of reason to look for a dreadful judgment; the more because apostates from the known truth, seldom or never have the grace to return to it.
[31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. [32] But call to mind the former days, wherein, being illuminated, you endured a great fight of afflictions. [33] And on the one hand indeed, by reproaches and tribulations, were made a gazingstock; and on the other, became companions of them that were used in such sort. [34] For you both had compassion on them that were in bands, and took with joy the being stripped of your own goods, knowing that you have a better and a lasting substance. [35] Do not therefore lose your confidence, which hath a great reward.
[36] For patience is necessary for you; that, doing the will of God, you may receive the promise. [37] For yet a little and a very little while, and he that is to come, will come, and will not delay. [38] But my just man liveth by faith; but if he withdraw himself, he shall not please my soul. [39] But we are not the children of withdrawing unto perdition, but of faith to the saving of the soul.

The Apocalypse Of Saint John (Revelation) 3:1-4
Quote[1] And to the angel of the church of Sardis, write: These things saith he, that hath the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast the name of being alive: and thou art dead. [2] Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God. [3] Have in mind therefore in what manner thou hast received and heard: and observe, and do penance. If then thou shalt not watch, I will come to thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know at what hour I will come to thee. [4] But thou hast a few names in Sardis, which have not defiled their garments: and they shall walk with me in white, because they are worthy. [5] He that shall overcome, shall thus be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

The Apocalypse Of Saint John (Revelation) 14:11-15
Quote[11] And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up for ever and ever: neither have they rest day nor night, who have adored the beast, and his image, and whoever receiveth the character of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. [13] And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them. [14] And I saw, and behold a white cloud; and upon the cloud one sitting like to the Son of man, having on his head a crown of gold, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out from the temple crying with a loud voice to him that sat upon the cloud: Thrust in thy sickle, and reap, because the hour is come to reap: for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

The Apocalypse Of Saint John (Revelation) 20:11-15
Quote11] And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them. [12] And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. [14] And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Hebrews Chapter 6
QuoteHe warns them of the danger of falling by apostasy and exhorts them to patience and perseverance.
[1] Wherefore leaving the word of the beginning of Christ, let us go on to things more perfect, not laying again the foundation of penance from dead works, and of faith towards God, [2] Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [3] And this will we do, if God permit. [4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[1] The word of the beginning: The first rudiments of the Christian doctrine.
[4] It is impossible: The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.
[6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. [7] For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt. [9] But, my dearly beloved, we trust better things of you, and nearer to salvation; though we speak thus. [10] For God is not unjust, that he should forget your work, and the love which you have shewn in his name, you who have ministered, and do minister to the saints.
[11] And we desire that every one of you shew forth the same carefulness to the accomplishing of hope unto the end: [12] That you become not slothful, but followers of them, who through faith and patience shall inherit the promises. [13] For God making promise to Abraham, because he had no one greater by whom he might swear, swore by himself, [14] Saying: Unless blessing I shall bless thee, and multiplying I shall multiply thee. [15] And so patiently enduring he obtained the promise.
[16] For men swear by one greater than themselves: and an oath for confirmation is the end of all their controversy. [17] Wherein God, meaning more abundantly to shew to the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed an oath: [18] That by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have the strongest comfort, who have fled for refuge to hold fast the hope set before us. [19] Which we have as an anchor of the soul, sure and firm, and which entereth in even within the veil; [20] Where the forerunner Jesus is entered for us, made a high priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech.

THIS IS GOD'S INFINITE JUSTICE!

TruthScientist

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Mirage

Quote from: TruthScientist on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:09:26
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Do you believe God is a just God  for allowing people to burn in hell for all eternity for performing a life of dead works? 

Helen

We do not judge God; He judges us. 

And the judgment is based on our response to Christ Jesus, first of all. 

"Good works" without faith in Jesus mean nothing.  God is perfectly capable of doing all the good works He wants done.  He created us to love -- first Him and then those He has put in our lives.  If we have not this love, we are nothing, Paul reminds us in 1 Corinthians.  But the love of God comes first, and that is quite impossible without knowing Him through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Mirage

Quote from: Helen on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:28:04
We do not judge God; He judges us. 

And the judgment is based on our response to Christ Jesus, first of all. 

"Good works" without faith in Jesus mean nothing.  God is perfectly capable of doing all the good works He wants done.  He created us to love -- first Him and then those He has put in our lives.  If we have not this love, we are nothing, Paul reminds us in 1 Corinthians.  But the love of God comes first, and that is quite impossible without knowing Him through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Do you believe the quote below is true,

QuoteBut wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Helen

"faith without works" simply is a reference to what Jesus said about our works proceeding from our heart.  If the heart is changed, the works will reflect that.  If the works show no change, then the heart has not changed.

In the negative, if there is no evidence of a crime, then what crime has been committed? 

If there is no evidence of faith, then where is the faith?


TruthScientist

Quote from: TruthScientist on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:09:26
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

do you believe what these verses say mirage?

Mirage

Quote from: TruthScientist on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 13:14:28
Quote from: TruthScientist on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:09:26
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

do you believe what these verses say mirage?


The Bible verses you posted above are referring to people who died without the stain of mortal sin on their soul. I strongly believe the Bible verses above, including the ones you refused to admit if you believe. I do believe.

Do you believe the quote below is true,

QuoteBut wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

MeMyself

Quote from: Helen on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:55:07
"faith without works" simply is a reference to what Jesus said about our works proceeding from our heart.  If the heart is changed, the works will reflect that.  If the works show no change, then the heart has not changed.

In the negative, if there is no evidence of a crime, then what crime has been committed? 

If there is no evidence of faith, then where is the faith?



Good post! :)


Thankfulldad

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 14:49:52
Quote from: Helen on Tue Oct 15, 2013 - 12:55:07
"faith without works" simply is a reference to what Jesus said about our works proceeding from our heart.  If the heart is changed, the works will reflect that.  If the works show no change, then the heart has not changed.

In the negative, if there is no evidence of a crime, then what crime has been committed? 

If there is no evidence of faith, then where is the faith?



Good post! :)

I agree...great post!

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