Another thought I had about prenups

[Cally]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

[Man_Of_Honor]

Being that plenty divorce for minor reasons, prenups are rather logical.

In the world, I definitely would not trust someone for marriage.

[chosenone]

The issues you speak of are two completely different things. Any abuse is terrible, and I spent some time last week trying to persuade a man to leave his physically abusive wife, but prenups are another area entirely.
We have had a case in the UK this week, where a man with not to much money, married the daughter of a very wealthy man, and despite him signing a prenup, the judge awarded him to be paid 1 1/2 million pounds as part of the divorce settlement, so it works both ways. Her father is furious, and when you look at his previous girlfriends/partners, they were all quite wealthy, so he seems to like being supported by rich women. In the UK common sense prevails over prenups anyway, and they can be overruled.

Yes, occasionally it happens to women too, and a man likewise behaves as a prostitute.

I cant see anywhere in the Bible that says we should take out some sort of financial agreement before marriage, to 'protect out assets', on the contrary, the 'two becoming one' says to me that everything becomes 'ours' after marriage, no matter how much each bought in. In my marriage, I had the house and my husband earns most the income. Everything we have is 'ours'. I suppose if anyone cant accept that then maybe marriage isn't for them.

The Bible offers almost nothing as grounds for divorce regardless. But one thing you're failing to understand is that a "financial agreement" already does exist by the laws written by the land, so a prenup is nothing more than a modification of that agreement.

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with. A prenup is basically saying, "sorry, the financial agreement the government already set up--called 'alimony' in which a divorce spouse still gets from the other in the event of divorce--is not acceptable, so here's a counter-proposal." That's it. It's just a modification of what is obviously an unbiblical financial agreement that exists in the first place.

In a marriage, it is indeed "ours." But if one decides to take off, it is no longer, and the spouse initiating the divorce has no business leeching off the other as if they were.

I just don't see this at all. In the divorces I have known of, both have been treated pretty equally. The assets have mainly been shared, but the first priority needs to be the children. If they are still young, then yes, primary caregiver needs to receive financial support till they are older. The higher wage earner(or only wage earner)should support the one with the children, that's a consequence of having children.
If the children are adults then both can work and neither should get any further maintenance.
A lady I know whose husband left her for another woman, had to sell her small house even though her teenage son was still living with her because the husband was given half of the assets. They had to then rent a home which she struggled to pay despite working full time. She got no maintenance at all.   

Prenups have no place in a Christian marriage whatsoever. Judges here treat each marriage break up on its merits, but the children's needs are supposed to always be a priority.

[chosenone]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

[Man_Of_Honor]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

Those women are guiltless?

They may have had their faults. You may not be told the whole story. Ever thought of that possibility?

[Man_Of_Honor]

Women can become savages when it comes to false claims and getting what they please.

[Cally]

Women can become savages when it comes to false claims and getting what they please.

That, as the general the "empowerment by victimhood" tactic is the leverage of power over men oftentimes when it should be obvious that the victim is the man. And it's nothing new under the sun--how did Delilah get Sampson? "You're being mean mean MEAN!" The strategy of feminism.

[Man_Of_Honor]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

[chosenone]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

[DaveW]

Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

Remember - biblically only men can divorce, NOT women.

One of the interesting things about OT rape laws is that the guy was REQUIRED to marry the girl.  It never said she had to live with him or have anything else to do with him but he had to support her in a given lifestyle for the rest of her life (he was NOT PERMITTED to divorce her EVER)

So you "leech" scenario is actually supported in scripture - even without a formal divorce.

[chosenone]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

Those women are guiltless?

They may have had their faults. You may not be told the whole story. Ever thought of that possibility?

  Many of them were in my own family, so yes I did know in detail what went on. Some people will cheat no matter who they are married to, because they have no morals or integrity.
Are you saying that if one spouse isn't perfect the other spouse is allowed to commit adultery???

[MeMyself]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

Those women are guiltless?

They may have had their faults. You may not be told the whole story. Ever thought of that possibility?

Their faults they may have justifies the man having an affair?  Odd...

[chosenone]

Women can become savages when it comes to false claims and getting what they please.

As can men.

[Cally]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Did you see the video I posted?

I have actually heard people who deal with DV tell me that the number of wives who hit their husbands is (at least) almost the same as vice-versa. If you find evidence for that, you get death threats from feminists.

As you admitted, many men won't report violence against them.

[Man_Of_Honor]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Women can cause such damage with objects.

Women can manipulate and be the mastermind of violence. Shares equal responsibility.

[DaveW]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him.

Sorry but I am really old fashioned on this point.  Any man who cannot take that from his wife and still come up smiling is no man in my book.

[Cally]

Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

Remember - biblically only men can divorce, NOT women.

Then, there is no equivalent scenario, and the next couple examples don't cover it.

[Cally]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him.

Sorry but I am really old fashioned on this point.  Any man who cannot take that from his wife and still come up smiling is no man in my book.

And listen up folks, because this old-fashioned attitude is at the heart of the problem.

[MeMyself]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Did you see the video I posted?

I have actually heard people who deal with DV tell me that the number of wives who hit their husbands is (at least) almost the same as vice-versa. If you find evidence for that, you get death threats from feminists.

As you admitted, many men won't report violence against them.

Just want to say, this is wrong!  Abuse is abuse no matter at whose hand or heart it comes from!

Abusers come from both genders and it should not be tolerated from either!

[Man_Of_Honor]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

Those women are guiltless?

They may have had their faults. You may not be told the whole story. Ever thought of that possibility?

Their faults they may have justifies the man having an affair?  Odd...

Could they too have cheated? Caused any neglections?

I am not justifying the cheating. But rather the factors that may lead to it other his selfishness and so forth.

[Cally]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Did you see the video I posted?

I have actually heard people who deal with DV tell me that the number of wives who hit their husbands is (at least) almost the same as vice-versa. If you find evidence for that, you get death threats from feminists.

As you admitted, many men won't report violence against them.

Just want to say, this is wrong!  Abuse is abuse no matter at whose hand or heart it comes from!

Abusers come from both genders and it should not be tolerated from either!

Thank you MM.

[MeMyself]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him.

Sorry but I am really old fashioned on this point.  Any man who cannot take that from his wife and still come up smiling is no man in my book.

Dave, even if the whack doesn't hurt them physically, the action surely wounds the heart deeply.

[Cally]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him.

Sorry but I am really old fashioned on this point.  Any man who cannot take that from his wife and still come up smiling is no man in my book.

Dave, even if the whack doesn't hurt them physically, the action surely wounds the heart deeply.

The video at the start of the thread shows how a man was burned alive by his wife.

He's not a "real man" if he can't take that?!

[MeMyself]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him.

Sorry but I am really old fashioned on this point.  Any man who cannot take that from his wife and still come up smiling is no man in my book.

Dave, even if the whack doesn't hurt them physically, the action surely wounds the heart deeply.

The video at the start of the thread shows how a man was burned alive by his wife.

He's not a "real man" if he can't take that?!

Oh goodness! That is just horrifying!  :(

How much we grieve the Father's heart in how terribly we treat one another.  Breaks my heart to be honest.  God have mercy on us all!

[DaveW]

Dave, even if the whack doesn't hurt them physically, the action surely wounds the heart deeply.

Perhaps.  But we are COMMANDED to love our wives as Messiah loves His congregation.  And it was every sin that we committed that put him on the cross.

I know we are not gods, but He did not do that by virtue of his own divinity; rather it was by the power and strength of the Holy Spirit.  We have that same Spirit in us and we can do the same.

[MeMyself]

Dave, even if the whack doesn't hurt them physically, the action surely wounds the heart deeply.

Perhaps.  But we are COMMANDED to love our wives as Messiah loves His congregation.  And it was every sin that we committed that put him on the cross.

I know we are not gods, but He did not do that by virtue of his own divinity; rather it was by the power and strength of the Holy Spirit.  We have that same Spirit in us and we can do the same.

Sure.  But, the hurt would still be there...and very deep one at that.

I know a man who confessed to me that he has wondered his whole years long marriage if his wife ever really loved him.  She has never laid a hand on him, never verbally abused him...but her abusive aloofness cut him as deeply as if she had.  He soldiers on, but his wounds are great. :(

[DaveW]

I know a man who confessed to me that he has wondered his whole years long marriage if his wife ever really loved him.  She has never laid a hand on him, never verbally abused him...but her abusive aloofness cut him as deeply as if she had.  He soldiers on, but his wounds are great. :(

To me that is a man who is following scripture.  He is a MAN.

To be honest - for years I did not believe "emotional wounds" were even real.  I remember when God convinced me otherwise.  I was praying and as I sometimes do - had a mental image while I was praying.  I was standing at the side of a small lake which represented the mental/emotional part of us.  I picked up a stick and started striking the water  and was saying "See, there is absolutely no damage done to the water."  Just then the Lord hijacked my "image" with a "beep beep beep..." and I turned around to see a dump truck full of road salt that backed up to the water and emptied its load.  "Are you sure about that 'no damage?' "

[MeMyself]

I know a man who confessed to me that he has wondered his whole years long marriage if his wife ever really loved him.  She has never laid a hand on him, never verbally abused him...but her abusive aloofness cut him as deeply as if she had.  He soldiers on, but his wounds are great. :(

To me that is a man who is following scripture.  He is a MAN.

To be honest - for years I did not believe "emotional wounds" were even real.  I remember when God convinced me otherwise.  I was praying and as I sometimes do - had a mental image while I was praying.  I was standing at the side of a small lake which represented the mental/emotional part of us.  I picked up a stick and started striking the water  and was saying "See, there is absolutely no damage done to the water."  Just then the Lord hijacked my "image" with a "beep beep beep..." and I turned around to see a dump truck full of road salt that backed up to the water and emptied its load.  "Are you sure about that 'no damage?' "

I believe you are not alone in that old opinion, Dave. 

I am glad that your heart was open to God's showing you differently.  As a person that walks with the limp of invisible emotional abuse...ugh...it is so disheartening to try and explain to people.  Sometimes, in my darkest moments I *wish* I had been brutalized physically, because there would be visible wounds to say "LOOK! See! That, right *there*!"

Anyway...I admire the man too...he just keeps pressing into God and doing his best to be who God wants him to be.

[Cally]

I know a man who confessed to me that he has wondered his whole years long marriage if his wife ever really loved him.  She has never laid a hand on him, never verbally abused him...but her abusive aloofness cut him as deeply as if she had.  He soldiers on, but his wounds are great. :(

To me that is a man who is following scripture.  He is a MAN.

To be honest - for years I did not believe "emotional wounds" were even real.  I remember when God convinced me otherwise.  I was praying and as I sometimes do - had a mental image while I was praying.  I was standing at the side of a small lake which represented the mental/emotional part of us.  I picked up a stick and started striking the water  and was saying "See, there is absolutely no damage done to the water."  Just then the Lord hijacked my "image" with a "beep beep beep..." and I turned around to see a dump truck full of road salt that backed up to the water and emptied its load.  "Are you sure about that 'no damage?' "

This legacy passed from man to man (oftentimes) needs to stop. I actually think, Dave, that that puts women out of a job because nurturing to emotional needs is a gift God enabled in women.

In all seriousness, and I don't know how not to come across condescending because that's not my intent, I am seriously so sorry for you Dave.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,


Personally I would make sure the world knew about it if I were hit by a woman if only because of "if I can't see it it isn't there" attitudes out there toward the issue. For sure, a lot of men take it. The lack of DV options for men is a huge part in making it pointless to say anything in that situation. I've seen news stories about young men molested by female pedophiles who wouldn't press charges and I know of this situation going totally unhandled (a female pedophile getting no punishment, not on the radar, not helping the boy, etc.).

This problem is huge, while feminism is exploiting it. Where are all the "good men" SUPPOSED to come from if they're not taken care of?

[chosenone]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Did you see the video I posted?

I have actually heard people who deal with DV tell me that the number of wives who hit their husbands is (at least) almost the same as vice-versa. If you find evidence for that, you get death threats from feminists.

As you admitted, many men won't report violence against them.

According to these official statistics, the percentage of women to men who are physically abused is 85% women to 15% men, and we also need to remember that many women never report abuse either. Some will report it after years and years of on going abuse.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/domestic-violence-abuse-stats/ 

I have no idea why anyone, man or woman, would stay with a person who hits them, because by doing so, they are enabling their behaviour.

[chosenone]

I don't see a biblical basis for alimony to begin with.

Actually it is in there but a bit difficult to see.  Read any book on Orthodox Jewish divorce and it should be explained.   Deut 24.1 says if a man divorces his wife he must give her a "get" or certificate in writing of divorce.  Thru the rest of the OT there are references to the get containing provision for the divorced wife. By the first century the gets became quite detailed.

Our Lord did not have any quarrel with provisions in the get.

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Dave, I think it is clearly reasonable for the spouse who divorces not to be able to throw out someone without hope after investing into a marriage.

But the one who CHOOSES to divorce and tramples all over his or her covenant made before God "till death do us part"? That man or woman has the right to say "I'm DONE being one flesh with you"  and then leeches off of the other spouse as if they were still one flesh?

When no-fault divorces were first introduced, people feared that it would be men doing more divorcing. Nope. Instead, for the most part, women can freely divorce a man for any reason and leech off of a former husband (and I acknowledge sometimes men do that too and either way its whorish).

However most of the women I know who divorced their husbands, did it because of his cheating. Her may not instigate the divorce, but he caused it.

Those women are guiltless?

They may have had their faults. You may not be told the whole story. Ever thought of that possibility?

Their faults they may have justifies the man having an affair?  Odd...

Could they too have cheated? Caused any neglections?

I am not justifying the cheating. But rather the factors that may lead to it other his selfishness and so forth.

  I think you need to realise M of H that many will cheat because the opportunity is there and they take it. A friend of mines husband actually admitted to that. This lady was after him, and took advantage of that. That is the case with many who cheat. 

[chosenone]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Did you see the video I posted?

I have actually heard people who deal with DV tell me that the number of wives who hit their husbands is (at least) almost the same as vice-versa. If you find evidence for that, you get death threats from feminists.

As you admitted, many men won't report violence against them.

Just want to say, this is wrong!  Abuse is abuse no matter at whose hand or heart it comes from!

Abusers come from both genders and it should not be tolerated from either!

I agree.

[chosenone]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Women can cause such damage with objects.

Women can manipulate and be the mastermind of violence. Shares equal responsibility.

So if a woman is beaten up, she is deserved it?

[DaveW]

This legacy passed from man to man (oftentimes) needs to stop. I actually think, Dave, that that puts women out of a job because nurturing to emotional needs is a gift God enabled in women.

That is one way of looking at it. For me it was passed on from my dad. For others they got it in the military.  Many paleo-sociologists (who are big on evolution) believe it was a required trait for men in caveman society to be unfeeling in order to keep on providing for family and village.

I am seriously so sorry for you Dave.

For what exactly?

[Cally]

So much I read and hear about a man should not be hitting women. While being silent on the reverse.

I have never heard anyone say that its ok for a woman to hit a man. As I said, I spent ages the other day trying to persuade a man that he should leave him wife who was regularly hitting him. Abuse of any sort is wrong.  The fact is that it is more rare because men are naturally more physical and violent, hence nearly all violent crimes are committed by men. Also if a man beats a woman, the fact that he is physically stronger can mean the injuries can be far worse. 

Women can cause such damage with objects.

Women can manipulate and be the mastermind of violence. Shares equal responsibility.

So if a woman is beaten up, she is deserved it?

Sometimes women deliberately bait their husbands (heard it from people who work with wives).

A man should be taught just to run for his life rather than retaliate physically.