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What is wrong with me?

Started by Faithful, Sat Feb 15, 2014 - 09:50:25

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R-Simon

There is a position between full blown Pentecostalism, the "Strange Fire" manifestations on one end and pure Cessationism on the other end.  To me almost nobody I have encountered is a pure Cessationist as they almost always believe in some sense that God will answer prayer for things like healing and recovery.
Sometimes this position is called "Charismatic friendly", and often involves discernment leading folks to believe a large percentage of the "Strange Fire" events are somehow deceptive.  If you want to learn about some of the more bizarre things web search "Strange Fire Conference" or "Lakeland Revival".

As for singles, there has always been a percentage of the population that remains single for a variety of reasons.  In these times we are living in an age where divorce is higher, there is a higher population of single parents and other changes in society that have taken place starting in the 2nd half or the last century.

Getting back to the original topic, no, there is nothing wrong with those of us who remain single for whatever reason.  One of the things I'll do is to listen to sermons from various churches in my area as in these days most of it is archived on the church web sites.  On more than one occasion and with more than one group I have heard this suggestion that something is wrong with the men who don't support others by marriage or remarriage.

I would argue that the changes in society in no way put additional pressure or point the finger at men who would stay single anyway.  Same goes for the women who don't marry single guys who have custody of minor children, they aren't denying kids a "mother figure", they're just remaining single.
There is a Christian obligation to support the cause of the widow and orphan if one has resources, but that has nothing to do with marriage, dating relation ships or meddling in the affairs of others {as in match-making}.

I've also heard things said of others in the sense of gossip or snoopiness, when meeting somebody who is single perhaps it is natural for folks who think marriage is the norm to ask "why?".  It may be true that folks are more polite about gossip and snoopiness in the UK. 

chosenone

matthew 3v1
I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

So the 'fire' thing is Biblical.

if anyone wants to be single that is their decision. In my experience though, most people who are single dont actually want to be. So in that sense its is unusual.  I do think that most who try and 'match make' are trying their best to help, albeit in the wrong way.

I cant say I have ever heard teachings on single people needing to marry. Most are well aware of that and would love to marry if the right person came along. 

R-Simon

#72
The baptism of fire is biblical alright.  This starts in verse 7 when the Pharisees and Sadducees show up on the scene.
I'll repeat 10 - 12 to show how "fire" is used.

10 - And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

11- I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 - Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

The fire is for the chaff, the one we want is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The exact wording of what happened in the Pentecost does not match "fire falling down from heaven" or being baptized and immersed in fire,  that's never a good thing in scripture.  The fire is for the unrepentant or unsaved without getting into detailed doctrine about what everybody's final situation may be.

I would strongly suggest that anybody who has been exposed at that level to these preachers Google "you tube strange fire conference panel QA"  and at least listen to the other side of the debate.  I believe the whole conference with all the presentations is available but that's many hours of presentation.  I have certainly listened to many on each side.

As for singles, many of us who are in our mid-late 50s and perhaps some younger who have been single adults for almost 40 years really don't want to get married.  It didn't start out that way but after a certain time one's views change along with one's situation.  For folks who adapt to the married life style they often want remarriage, which sort of means "changing partners" and remarriage after a divorce or losing a partner.  Perhaps single women at this age feel differently, I really don't know.  But there is a bias for those who get married to think everybody wants to be married.

chosenone

#73
Quote from: R-Simon on Mon Aug 11, 2014 - 17:11:47
The baptism of fire is biblical alright.  This starts in verse 7 when the Pharisees and Sadducees show up on the scene.
I'll repeat 10 - 12 to show how "fire" is used.

10 - And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

11- I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 - Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

The fire is for the chaff, the one we want is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The exact wording of what happened in the Pentecost does not match "fire falling down from heaven" or being baptized and immersed in fire,  that's never a good thing in scripture.  The fire is for the unrepentant or unsaved without getting into detailed doctrine about what everybody's final situation may be.

I would strongly suggest that anybody who has been exposed at that level to these preachers Google "you tube strange fire conference panel QA"  and at least listen to the other side of the debate.  I believe the whole conference with all the presentations is available but that's many hours of presentation.  I have certainly listened to many on each side.

As for singles, many of us who are in our mid-late 50s and perhaps some younger who have been single adults for almost 40 years really don't want to get married.  It didn't start out that way but after a certain time one's views change along with one's situation.  For folks who adapt to the married life style they often want remarriage, which sort of means "changing partners" and remarriage after a divorce or losing a partner.  Perhaps single women at this age feel differently, I really don't know.  But there is a bias for those who get married to think everybody wants to be married.

yes I am sure there are a few older singles who have never been married, who dont want to, and would probably find it hard to adjust at that stage in their life to a family. Having said that my aunt met and married the love of her life when she was 60 and he 70. He was a widower.
I dont actually know any older men who have never been married, and only a tiny number of older women who havent, but the ones I do know, and those who are widowed or divorced, would generally like to meet someone else.

The churches I have been to in the last 20 years, which are charismatic, havent ever got into any weird or unbiblical stuff, so I have never been concerned by the extremes you mention.

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