This Generation~Matthew 24:34

[3 Resurrections]

No, dpr, that's not true that I don't post scripture with the points I'm making.  I usually try to post the appropriate REFERENCES, with maybe a short phrase or two to jog people's memories as to the verse's content.  That's because I am charitably assuming that most on this website are familiar with the verses, or are studious enough to look them up themselves without my having to copy the entire verse for them - one cell phone finger tap at a time.

When you creatively redefine what "AT HAND" means in Revelation, without comparing it to how God already defined it in Ezekiel for you, that is being inconsistent.  The definition of "AT HAND" doesn't change from the OT to the NT.  And besides this phrase, John deliberately used a variety of other imminent terms, just to make sure that there was no doubt as to his meaning.  ("Quickly", "about to",  the Rev. 17 sixth King that "IS" in power as John wrote, as well as the Scarlet Beast that "IS NOT" in existence as he was writing.)

If effect, you are doing the exact same thing as robycop3.  Both of you look FIRST at the signs  given - decide that they have to be describing the end of human history on this planet according to an arbitrary decision based on your own impressions, and THEN you use those personal impressions to determine that the "AT HAND" time limitation can't possibly mean exactly what it says about the time being in John's days.  This is what can be termed a "bass ackward" way of interpreting scripture.

And by the way, John was on the Isle of Patmos where he was sent by order of emperor NERO, (not Domitian) according to the ancient Syriac Peshitta title page.  This dates Revelation's imminent prophecies to a time contemporary with the emperor Nero's reign.

[dpr]

No, dpr, that's not true that I don't post scripture with the points I'm making.  I usually try to post the appropriate REFERENCES, with maybe a short phrase or two to jog people's memories as to the verse's content.  That's because I am charitably assuming that most on this website are familiar with the verses, or are studious enough to look them up themselves without my having to copy the entire verse for them - one cell phone finger tap at a time.

When you creatively redefine what "AT HAND" means in Revelation, without comparing it to how God already defined it in Ezekiel for you, that is being inconsistent.  The definition of "AT HAND" doesn't change from the OT to the NT.  And besides this phrase, John deliberately used a variety of other imminent terms, just to make sure that there was no doubt as to his meaning.  ("Quickly", "about to",  the Rev. 17 sixth King that "IS" in power as John wrote, as well as the Scarlet Beast that "IS NOT" in existence as he was writing.)

If effect, you are doing the exact same thing as robycop3.  Both of you look FIRST at the signs  given - decide that they have to be describing the end of human history on this planet according to an arbitrary decision based on your own impressions, and THEN you use those personal impressions to determine that the "AT HAND" time limitation can't possibly mean exactly what it says about the time being in John's days.  This is what can be termed a "bass ackward" way of interpreting scripture.

And by the way, John was on the Isle of Patmos where he was sent by order of emperor NERO, (not Domitian) according to the ancient Syriac Peshitta title page.  This dates Revelation's imminent prophecies to a time contemporary with the emperor Nero's reign.

Domitian was emperor when John was on Patmos. Emperor Marcus Cocceius Nerva succeeded after Domitian was assassinated, and it was Nerva who released Apostle John from his imprisonment. So by the way, your history tale is inaccurate.

I didn't redefine the "at hand" meaning. It's only the Greek word for 'near' in the NT manuscripts. It's your Preterist theories that try to redefine it. The Ezek.12 case defines exactly the 'when' it was meant. Rev.1 does not, but instead obviously defaults to the Signs Jesus gave in Revelation. And obviously, those Signs are meant for the final generation of His coming. No brainer.

[lea]

Domitian was emperor when John was on Patmos. Emperor Marcus Cocceius Nerva succeeded after Domitian was assassinated, and it was Nerva who released Apostle John from his imprisonment. So by the way, your history tale is inaccurate.

I didn't redefine the "at hand" meaning. It's only the Greek word for 'near' in the NT manuscripts. It's your Preterist theories that try to redefine it. The Ezek.12 case defines exactly the 'when' it was meant. Rev.1 does not, but instead obviously defaults to the Signs Jesus gave in Revelation. And obviously, those Signs are meant for the final generation of His coming. No brainer.

Wrong. Nero was emperor. You are preaching to a dispensationalist choir.

Start studying "end times" from the preterist perspective.

Look at that no-brainer you have there... was Jesus speaking to and about a final generation to the apostles in front of Him?!

[robycop3]

  No, Nero was dead by then,(D. AD 68) & Domitian was Caesar AD 81-96 Nero had Paul beheaded, but he did not deal with John. Domitian was known for exiling "minor" offenders to Patmos & other then-bleak isles.

  Yes, look at events through a preterist view & get all mixed-up.

[dpr]

Wrong. Nero was emperor. You are preaching to a dispensationalist choir.

Start studying "end times" from the preterist perspective.

Look at that no-brainer you have there... was Jesus speaking to and about a final generation to the apostles in front of Him?!

Robycop3 is right on. Domitian was emperor during Apostle John's imprisonment on the Isle of Patmos. Nerva was the next emperor who released John.

You should look at history from a non-Preterist viewpoint, because Preterism tries to re-write history in order to serve their false doctrines of the 'synagogue of Satan' that are against Christ and His Church.

[lea]

The Hieromartyr Antipas, a disciple of the holy Apostle John the Theologian, was bishop of the Church of Pergamum during the reign of the emperor Nero (54-68).

During these times, everyone who would not offer sacrifice to the idols lived under threat of either exile or execution by order of the emperor. On the island of Patmos (in the Aegean Sea) the holy Apostle John the Theologian was imprisoned, he to whom the Lord revealed the future judgment of the world and of Holy Church.

"And to the angel of the Church of Pergamum write: the words of him who has the sharp two-edged sword. I know where you live, where the throne of Satan is, and you cleave unto My Name, and have not renounced My faith, even in those days when Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells" (Rev 2:12-13).
https://www.oca.org/saints/lives/2014/04/11/101052-hieromartyr-antipas-bishop-of-pergamum-and-disciple-of-saint-joh

[robycop3]

  So, since Antipas was dead when Jesus gave the message to John, the message was after the fact, and most evidence points to the time as being late in Domitian's reign, in the 90s AD.

[lea]

  So, since Antipas was dead when Jesus gave the message to John, the message was after the fact, and most evidence points to the time as being late in Domitian's reign, in the 90s AD.

Rev.11 shows the Temple in Jerusalem standing.  There was no temple to write about in AD 90's!

Your pessimistic futurism will never work.

[robycop3]

Rev.11 shows the Temple in Jerusalem standing.  There was no temple to write about in AD 90's!

Your pessimistic futurism will never work.

  No, that is a future temple. The 2 witnesses haven't yet come, of course. All this will occur after the 'beast' comes to power.

  The measurements of the old temple were well-known to the Jews, even after its destruction.

[lea]

  No, that is a future temple. The 2 witnesses haven't yet come, of course. All this will occur after the 'beast' comes to power.

  The measurements of the old temple were well-known to the Jews, even after its destruction.

Why do you think there are no high priests in Israel today? Because they cannot prove their lineage from the 12 tribes of Israel, namely the tribe of Levi. 

[robycop3]

Why do you think there are no high priests in Israel today? Because they cannot prove their lineage from the 12 tribes of Israel, namely the tribe of Levi.

  No, it's because there's no temple. And it's doubtful the last HPs were actual descendants of Aaron anyway. The last one, Phannias ben Samuel, died fighting the Romans in AD70.

  When the new temple is built, I don't know how the Jews will do two things: light its fire with fire from God, or choose a HP. But I'm sure they'll come up with SOMETHING, right or wrong.

  But we mustn't forget that this won't actually be a temple of GOD, as JESUS will be left outta the equation, but the Jews & most of the world will believe it is. it'll be a place where the Old Covenant rites will be performed.

[lea]

  No, it's because there's no temple. And it's doubtful the last HPs were actual descendants of Aaron anyway. The last one, Phannias ben Samuel, died fighting the Romans in AD70.

  When the new temple is built, I don't know how the Jews will do two things: light its fire with fire from God, or choose a HP. But I'm sure they'll come up with SOMETHING, right or wrong.

  But we mustn't forget that this won't actually be a temple of GOD, as JESUS will be left outta the equation, but the Jews & most of the world will believe it is. it'll be a place where the Old Covenant rites will be performed.

Where did you get this "we" from? 

[robycop3]

Where did you get this "we" from?

  From REAL Christians, one of which is I.

[lea]

  From REAL Christians, one of which is I.

That proves it, ha! You have no mind of your own.

[robycop3]

That proves it, ha! You have no mind of your own.

S P A M

[lea]

S P A M

Pokemon mon

[robycop3]

Pokemon mon

Better find him. He might teach you something.

[lea]

Better find him. He might teach you something.

Never have anything good to say. You are a sad Christian. It's obvious.

[robycop3]

Never have anything good to say. You are a sad Christian. It's obvious.

But, unlike you, I BELIEVE GOD'S WORD.

[lea]

Better find him. He might teach you something.

Best find some "fruit of the Spirit" because you demonstrate none of them in your posts!

[robycop3]

Best find some "fruit of the Spirit" because you demonstrate none of them in your posts!

I have some fruit of the Holy Spirit cuz I BELIEVE GOD'S WORD, something you badly need to start doing.

[lea]

I have some fruit of the Holy Spirit cuz I BELIEVE GOD'S WORD, something you badly need to start doing.

Gal5:22,23  22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.

You demonstrate none of these. You are a poor Christian!

[robycop3]

Gal5:22,23  22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.

You demonstrate none of these. You are a poor Christian!

  But YOU demonstrate UNBELIEF of God's word by making up new interps of it.

[lea]

  But YOU demonstrate UNBELIEF of God's word by making up new interps of it.

"interps" of it?  Are you out of energy or something that you don't even do the work of writing well?

[robycop3]

"interps" of it?  Are you out of energy or something that you don't even do the work of writing well?

Again, you try to change the subject, as you CANNOT prove your pret trash.

[lea]

Again, you try to change the subject, as you CANNOT prove your pret trash.

Matt.24:
The Great Tribulation

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect's sake those days will be shortened.

23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
The Coming of the Son of Man

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Oh, they must've died before they could record it! 

[robycop3]

  Nupe ! It's still future.

[lea]

  Nupe ! It's still future.

That's all you can say isn't it?

Now get up and go fix something! 

[robycop3]

That's all you can say isn't it?

Now get up and go fix something! 

  Can you prove it wrong ? You've done a poor job at it so far.

[lea]

  Can you prove it wrong ? You've done a poor job at it so far.

Oh, what a sad jerk. Never does anything but rant.
Why don't you get off the Preterist subforum if it perturbs you so much?

Where's your self-respect?

[robycop3]

Oh, what a sad jerk. Never does anything but rant.
Why don't you get off the Preterist subforum if it perturbs you so much?

Where's your self-respect?

  More blather, no PROOF.

[Rella]

And another thread 7 years old

[lea]

And another thread 7 years old

That's right. You couldn't beat it then either.

We had more Preterists then , you know,and I know. Now you try to attack Preterists personally because you see that there's only maybe 2 or so now.

You try to take advantage of the numbers because you desperately need attention. It's apparent how you just want to be #1 with the last word.

If you're so upset about Preterism, why don't you stick to the end times forum and post your last day madness proof there?

I challenge you. Can you start to control yourself in your posts here?

[robycop3]

  Ever wondered WHY there so few prets now. Most likely, because they realized preterism is false, and abandoned it.

[lea]

  Ever wondered WHY there so few prets now. Most likely, because they realized preterism is false, and abandoned it.

Notice how more than 2 Preterists are whipping your butt on another site?

Wow, your photo is hard to look at - bald and fat!