Ellen White-Messenger from God or not?

[sacredagent777]

Plain and simple. If she is a false prophet, then she is from satan. If you do not believe in her, then why are you still a Seventh-day Adventist? It is one of our fundamental beliefs that the Lord used her to lead us to the greater light.

If she is from God, then ask the Holy Spirit to teach you everything from her writings. Plain and simple. If she isn't, then our SDA foundation is false. If she is, then believe, read her writings and have the scriptures opened up like never before.

Please read this brief article written 14 years ago by Lawrence Nelson from Steps To Life ministry. 
http://www.stepstolife.org/php/view_article.php?article_id=177

Enjoy!

[Amo]

Plain and simple. If she is a false prophet, then she is from satan. If you do not believe in her, then why are you still a Seventh-day Adventist? It is one of our fundamental beliefs that the Lord used her to lead us to the greater light.

If she is from God, then ask the Holy Spirit to teach you everything from her writings. Plain and simple. If she isn't, then our SDA foundation is false. If she is, then believe, read her writings and have the scriptures opened up like never before.

Please read this brief article written 14 years ago by Lawrence Nelson from Steps To Life ministry. 
http://www.stepstolife.org/php/view_article.php?article_id=177

Enjoy!

Who are you addressing 777? Obviously SDA's, so who do you think doesn't believe EGW had the gift of prophecy? Do you really believe that without EGW the foundation of our denomination is false? Which of our doctrines do you suppose originated and would not exist without EGW?  Do you really think God could not have accomplished what He has through the spirit of prophecy without EGW? I reject this notion.

[sacredagent777]

I am keeping it simple. Our SDA church under Fundamental Belief #18: The Gift of Prophecy
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in
the ministry of Ellen. G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which
provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by
which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

I am just pointing out the obvious: there are many SDA's who do not believe in EGW. Can you still pick and choose what doctrines you believe in?

She is one of our founders and is at the core of our fundamental belief. That is why it is important to believe her writings. Please keep it simple, it is. (Either she is from God or satan.)

[DaveW]

The gift of prophecy is a gift to the body of believers (1 Cor 12) and can be excercised by anyone in the body.  That does not make one a "Prophet" in the biblical sense of that office.

As to White, IMO (and this is ONLY my opinion) her visions and prophecies have a nugget of truth in them. But I do believe they were misunderstood and mishandled - even by White herself. They were delivered thru the filter of Replacement theology which distorted them.

[notreligus]

The gift of prophecy is a gift to the body of believers (1 Cor 12) and can be excercised by anyone in the body.  That does not make one a "Prophet" in the biblical sense of that office.

As to White, IMO (and this is ONLY my opinion) her visions and prophecies have a nugget of truth in them. But I do believe they were misunderstood and mishandled - even by White herself. They were delivered thru the filter of Replacement theology which distorted them.

I hate to throw the baby out with the bath water, but I'll have to.   I was with you until your last statement.    For one thing, I think Replacement Theology is a manufactured bunch of hooey in the first place.   The second thing is that if you considered the 7th Day position on the rapture of the Church and how others are left on the Earth, that is awfully similar in concept to the teaching of Full Dispensationals who believe that the Church and Israel are separate, and the Church will be in Heaven while God is destroying 2/3 of the Jews and other unbelievers left behind.   

If someone were to ask me which position had the most error - Messianic Judaism or Seventh Day Adventism - I'd be hard pressed to say which had the most quantity of error.   In the end I'd have to favor Messianic Judaism because Messianics don't have a "personal prophet" to whom they rely on for Biblical interpretation.   

[DaveW]

Well, on that front NR, a lot of the SDA is starting to move away from White. So the  "personal prophet" aspect is starting to go away; which is what I think this thread is a reaction to.

[current occupant2]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

[Amo]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

Not likely. To many personal notes and letters, not to mention compilations. Prophets are sinners that need saving just like the rest of us. No way that every word out of their mouths is or could be inspired.

[current occupant2]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

Not likely. To many personal notes and letters, not to mention compilations. Prophets are sinners that need saving just like the rest of us. No way that every word out of their mouths is or could be inspired.

Where did I mention ''personal notes and letters and compilations''?

I specified ''published articles, messages and books of Ellen White''

[Amo]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

Not likely. To many personal notes and letters, not to mention compilations. Prophets are sinners that need saving just like the rest of us. No way that every word out of their mouths is or could be inspired.

Where did I mention ''personal notes and letters and compilations''?

I specified ''published articles, messages and books of Ellen White''

Many of all of the above have been published in, and or as books. Therefore you have mentioned the same. Did I throw a monkey wrench in a loaded question?

[sacredagent777]

It's funny. EGW stated this regarding her writings:

The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through,different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony.—Selected Messages 1:48 (1890). {LDE 177.5} 

The enemy has made his masterly efforts to unsettle the faith of our own people in the Testimonies.... This is just as Satan designed it should be, and those who have been preparing the way for the people to pay no heed to the warnings and reproofs of the Testimonies of the Spirit of God will see that a tide of errors of all kinds will spring into life.—Selected Messages 3:83 (1890)

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

There is no middle ground, either she was from God, or satan. You cannot say some of her writings were swell, but this n that and plagarism this, and amalgamation of beast that, were all wrong or copied. Stay on one side of the fence. If she is from God, accept her writings and use them to enhance the scriptures and understand Jesus more fully. Thats why she says she is the lesser light leading to the Greater Light.

[Amo]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

[MeMyself]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

Right.  And those that do post here haven't mentioned her much at all, that I've seen.

This is the most I've seen anyone talk about her.

[Amo]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

Right.  And those that do post here haven't mentioned her much at all, that I've seen.

This is the most I've seen anyone talk about her.

There have been serious accusations against her on these boards in the past. They were addressed. You will have to go back a ways to find them. Having defended many of her statements many times against many non believers, I opt to allow them to bring her writings up, rather than doing so myself since I know so many do not accept her gift. What the SDA church believes is easily defended by scripture. Since all on these boards acknowledge the authority of the same, this is what I use. What sense does it make to try and convince people of truth spoken by one they do not accept as an authority of the same. If you wish to address this issue toward the many non SDA's on these boards, please do. The following are a few threads dealing with EGW in the past and there are many more if one keeps going back.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/sda-fundamental-beliefs/15/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/jesus-died-to-secure-the-human-race-a-second-probation/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/what-is-so-wrong-with-eating-meat/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/what-do-you-think-of-ellen-g-white/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/visions-not-scripture-is-primary-in-adventism/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/95-106-whoppers/

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/just-a-few-small-heresies/

[Amo]

The following thread has chapters from a book which contains many quotes from EGW.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-%28sda%29/romanism/

[sacredagent777]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

Right.  And those that do post here haven't mentioned her much at all, that I've seen.

This is the most I've seen anyone talk about her.

Well, I was wrong regarding this forum. I thought many here were SDA's in the SDA forum. Please address the more blatant issue; the SDA church and our willingness to disbelieve EGW writings more and more as the years go by. Now read her statement again about satans pawns trying to make her writings of none effect.
(Please do not simply respond and say that most SDA people believe EGW. We have seen a decline in the confidence of the Testimonies over the years very rapidly).

[Amo]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

Right.  And those that do post here haven't mentioned her much at all, that I've seen.

This is the most I've seen anyone talk about her.

Well, I was wrong regarding this forum. I thought many here were SDA's in the SDA forum. Please address the more blatant issue; the SDA church and our willingness to disbelieve EGW writings more and more as the years go by. Now read her statement again about satans pawns trying to make her writings of none effect.
(Please do not simply respond and say that most SDA people believe EGW. We have seen a decline in the confidence of the Testimonies over the years very rapidly).

This is nothing new. All apostasy requires forsaking the spirit of prophecy. The Protestant denominations of today are nothing like their founders largely because of their rejection of their founders interpretations of biblical prophecy in relation to the Church of Rome. Thus many are returning to her, as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy itself. Our church is not immune to the same. I stopped attending a certain SDA church for this very reason. For about three years I heard and saw nothing but a total De-emphasis of biblical prophecy from the pulpit, and even straight up downplaying the significance of the same. In many a direct conversation with the pastor, I realized he had rejected the testimony of the spirit of prophecy concerning the church of Rome and its significance and role during the final events.

Could you supply a link to the letter EGW wrote which contains the quote regarding the rejection of the spirit of prophecy? I would like to read the statement in the context it was originally written. I believe it was in a letter. Perhaps not.

[sacredagent777]

I only found the Selected Messages link below.

http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=1SM&lang=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=48&QUERY=letter+12%2C+1890&resultId=1

[current occupant2]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

Not likely. To many personal notes and letters, not to mention compilations. Prophets are sinners that need saving just like the rest of us. No way that every word out of their mouths is or could be inspired.

Where did I mention ''personal notes and letters and compilations''?

I specified ''published articles, messages and books of Ellen White''

Many of all of the above have been published in, and or as books. Therefore you have mentioned the same. Did I throw a monkey wrench in a loaded question?

Actually It wasn't a loaded question or you wouldn't have been so helpful.

Your answer was a clear NO - not all of Ellen's articles, messages and books are equally inspired. - because it seems they have been tampered with. Is that right?


Now the question remains... 

HOW ARE PEOPLE TO KNOW WHICH of Ellen's writings ARE MORE INSIPRED THAN OTHERS....

The book ''selected messages'' that is linked in a post further down in this list, is a compilation.

Is it's inspiration to be questioned because it was put together by the ''directors'' of the Ellen White Estate?

That is how all Ellen's new books, published since her death in 1915 have been put for public consumption....

Are those ''directors'' inspired enough to know which of Ellen's letters, statements and comments to use?

How about the multiple volumes of ''Testimonies to the Church''?..... There is plenty of personal letters included in those red books.

[current occupant2]

Funny?!!?: Yes, because I see this statement playing out all over this forum and in SDA churches. Everyone who doubts her has a highly intelligent opinion with proofs, rebuttals, and angry skepticism. But the whole time everyone is led by the puppet master satan to bark out doubt and try to make of none effect her calling and election. (Thats a tough one for people to accept; being led by satan with his spirit to cause doubt in her writings.)

Where do you see it playing out all over this forum? You do realize don't you, that many who post messages here are not SDA's.

Right.  And those that do post here haven't mentioned her much at all, that I've seen.

This is the most I've seen anyone talk about her.

MeMyself, Are you an SDA?

[current occupant2]

This is nothing new. All apostasy requires forsaking the spirit of prophecy. ....................

Wrong...  Ellen's messages have nothing to do with ''apostasy''. 

Apostasy is the negation of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.  - which SDA's do very well with their insistence on the keeping of the old covenant.

[Amo]

a curious question for the SDA's who read and/or post here....

Are all the published articles, messages and books of Ellen White equally inspired?


YES or NO.

Not likely. To many personal notes and letters, not to mention compilations. Prophets are sinners that need saving just like the rest of us. No way that every word out of their mouths is or could be inspired.

Where did I mention ''personal notes and letters and compilations''?

I specified ''published articles, messages and books of Ellen White''

Many of all of the above have been published in, and or as books. Therefore you have mentioned the same. Did I throw a monkey wrench in a loaded question?

Actually It wasn't a loaded question or you wouldn't have been so helpful.

Your answer was a clear NO - not all of Ellen's articles, messages and books are equally inspired. - because it seems they have been tampered with. Is that right?


Now the question remains... 

HOW ARE PEOPLE TO KNOW WHICH of Ellen's writings ARE MORE INSIPRED THAN OTHERS....

The book ''selected messages'' that is linked in a post further down in this list, is a compilation.

Is it's inspiration to be questioned because it was put together by the ''directors'' of the Ellen White Estate?

That is how all Ellen's new books, published since her death in 1915 have been put for public consumption....

Are those ''directors'' inspired enough to know which of Ellen's letters, statements and comments to use?

How about the multiple volumes of ''Testimonies to the Church''?..... There is plenty of personal letters included in those red books.

So in other words, it was a loaded question. Telling the truth is always helpful for those inclined to accept it. Glad I could help. I couldn't agree more, that publishing a new book by her every year for almost a hundred years now since her death, was and is a bad idea. This however does not effect whether she was a prophetess or not, but only complicates the issues of original context and separating that which was spoken under inspiration and that which proceeded from EGW's limited understanding which all humanity shares. The latter being a problem which would and did exist during the life of all of the prophets no doubt. As always though, the scriptures are the bottom line according to EGW herself also. All may be judged by them.

Christian Education (1893, 1894), page 120, paragraph 1
Chapter Title: The Value of Bible Study.
We should not allow any argument of man's to turn us away from a thorough investigation of Bible truth. The opinions and customs of men are not to be received as of divine authority. God has revealed in his word what is the whole duty of man, and we are not to be swayed from the great standard of righteousness. He sent his only begotten Son to be our example, and bade us to hear and to follow him. We must not be influenced from the truth as it is in Jesus, because great and professedly good men urge their ideas above the plain statements of the word of God.

Education (1903), page 17, paragraph 1
Chapter Title: Source and Aim of True Education
The Holy Scriptures are the perfect standard of truth, and as such should be given the highest place in education. To obtain an education worthy of the name, we must receive a knowledge of God, the Creator, and of Christ, the Redeemer, as they are revealed in the sacred word.

The Faith I Live By (1958), page 13, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: The Word and Works of God
In His Word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience.

Gospel Workers (1915), page 250, paragraph 4
Chapter Title: Helps in Gospel Work
The word of God is the standard of character. In giving us this word, God has put us in possession of every truth essential to salvation. Thousands have drawn water from these wells of life, yet there is no diminishing of the supply. Thousands have set the
Lord before them, and by beholding have become changed into the same image. But these searchers have not exhausted these grand and holy themes. Thousands more may engage in the work of searching out the mysteries of salvation.

In Heavenly Places (1967), page 133, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: The Great Standard of Right and Wrong
In the Word of God is contained everything essential to the perfecting of the man of God. It is like a treasure house, full of valuable and precious stores, but we do not appreciate its riches nor realize the necessity of equipping ourselves with the treasures of truth. We do not realize the great necessity of searching the Scriptures for ourselves. Many neglect the study of the Word of God in order to pursue some worldly interest or to indulge in some trifling pleasure. . . . Oh, we might better put off anything of an earthly character than the investigation of the Word of God, which is able to make us wise unto life eternal. "Given by inspiration of God," . . . the Book of books has the highest claims to our reverent attention. . . .

Mind, Character, and Personality Volume 1 (1977), page 323, paragraph 5
Chapter Title: Conscience
Take your conscience to the Word of God and see if your life and character are in accordance with the standard of righteousness which God has there revealed. You can then determine whether or not you have an intelligent faith and what manner of conscience is yours. The conscience of man cannot be trusted unless it is under the influence of divine grace. Satan takes advantage of an unenlightened conscience, and thereby leads men into all manner of delusions, because they have not made the Word of God their counselor. Many have invented a gospel of their own in the same manner as they have substituted a law of their own for God's law.--RH, Sept 3, 1901.

Mind, Character, and Personality Volume 2 (1977), page 699, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: Pseudoscience[SEE CHAPTER 3, "DANGERS IN PSYCHOLOGY."]
That Which Contradicts God's Word Is Guesswork. --He who has a knowledge of God and His word has a settled faith in the divinity of the Holy Scriptures. He does not test the Bible by man's ideas of science. He brings these ideas to the test of the unerring standard. He knows that God's word is truth, and truth can never contradict itself; whatever in the teaching of so-called science contradicts the truth of God's revelation is mere human guesswork.--8T 325 (1904).

The Review and Herald, June 11, 1908, paragraph 2
Article Title: What the Word of God Is to UsMrs. E. G. White
The Bible is the great standard of right and wrong, clearly defining sin and holiness. Its living principles, running through our lives like threads of gold, are our only safeguard in trial and temptation.

[Amo]

This is nothing new. All apostasy requires forsaking the spirit of prophecy. ....................

Wrong...  Ellen's messages have nothing to do with ''apostasy''. 

Apostasy is the negation of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.  - which SDA's do very well with their insistence on the keeping of the old covenant.

A vague statement. Give some details that can be addressed. Just exactly how do we keep the old covenant?

[current occupant2]

The SDA emphasis on many but not all of the laws of the old covenant... 

[Amo]

The SDA emphasis on many but not all of the laws of the old covenant...

What do you say about the New Testament and therefore new covenant teachings regarding those same laws, to the effect that we should keep them? No doubt you are referring to the fourth commandment, and perhaps dietary laws as well. Do you think the foods that were bad for humanity during the old covenant, have now been magically transformed into food that is good for humanity now during the new covenant?

[MoodyMoose]

Well, on that front NR, a lot of the SDA is starting to move away from White. 

I think you would have to prove that statement before expecting to be taken seriously further on. JMO.

[MoodyMoose]

http://youtu.be/7oSPHDlFxNI

This should help with the misunderstandings some have of SDA. At least that is my hope.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

This is nothing new. All apostasy requires forsaking the spirit of prophecy. ....................

Wrong...  Ellen's messages have nothing to do with ''apostasy''. 

Apostasy is the negation of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.  - which SDA's do very well with their insistence on the keeping of the old covenant.

A vague statement. Give some details that can be addressed. Just exactly how do we keep the old covenant?

Pretty sure you keep the 10 commandments.  I also believe you follow a lot of the dietary regulations.  This is just based on my experience with people I know who belong to the SDA church.  Might not be your "official theological position."

[Hobie]

Plain and simple. If she is a false prophet, then she is from satan. If you do not believe in her, then why are you still a Seventh-day Adventist? It is one of our fundamental beliefs that the Lord used her to lead us to the greater light.

If she is from God, then ask the Holy Spirit to teach you everything from her writings. Plain and simple. If she isn't, then our SDA foundation is false. If she is, then believe, read her writings and have the scriptures opened up like never before.

Please read this brief article written 14 years ago by Lawrence Nelson from Steps To Life ministry. 
http://www.stepstolife.org/php/view_article.php?article_id=177

Enjoy!

You have to test all things including those who have been given the gift of prophecy, and as we can see the last day events are being fulfilled as is written in the Spirit of Prophecy almost to the daily events.

[beam]

You have to test all things including those who have been given the gift of prophecy, and as we can see the last day events are being fulfilled as is written in the Spirit of Prophecy almost to the daily events.

It would seem to me that if Ellen was a true prophet SDAs would heed all of her council.  As an Adventist I could never fully wrap my mind around her writings.   The more I read the further I grew away.  We certainly do not need her writings to tell us the World is waxing old and more dangerous.  It seems that Ellen's guide that told her about the times coming have been proved wrong.  It is not Rome that is reeking havoc around the World.  United States is further right now from passing Sunday laws than ever in history.    Rome's influence on the World has been dwindling for many years while Muslin power has at the same time increased dramatically.   Who should we really be watching as the closing events take place on this Earth.  For me it is Jesus and His gift of the Holy Spirit.  You are free to allow Ellen's writings guide you,  I will stick to the Holy Spirit and the Word as my guide.

You and your church can keep on using Rome as a scare tactic to bring the unsuspecting into membership, but what are you doing to keep them from leaving out the back door after they start seeing the hypocrisy within?  And you claim to be the "remnant"

[Hobie]

It would seem to me that if Ellen was a true prophet SDAs would heed all of her council.  As an Adventist I could never fully wrap my mind around her writings.   The more I read the further I grew away.  We certainly do not need her writings to tell us the World is waxing old and more dangerous.  It seems that Ellen's guide that told her about the times coming have been proved wrong.  It is not Rome that is reeking havoc around the World.  United States is further right now from passing Sunday laws than ever in history.    Rome's influence on the World has been dwindling for many years while Muslin power has at the same time increased dramatically.   Who should we really be watching as the closing events take place on this Earth.  For me it is Jesus and His gift of the Holy Spirit.  You are free to allow Ellen's writings guide you,  I will stick to the Holy Spirit and the Word as my guide.

You and your church can keep on using Rome as a scare tactic to bring the unsuspecting into membership, but what are you doing to keep them from leaving out the back door after they start seeing the hypocrisy within?  And you claim to be the "remnant"

I think many people today are seeing the truth she wrote and appreciating more what is in her writings as they come across them.

[Hobie]

Plain and simple. If she is a false prophet, then she is from satan. If you do not believe in her, then why are you still a Seventh-day Adventist? It is one of our fundamental beliefs that the Lord used her to lead us to the greater light.

If she is from God, then ask the Holy Spirit to teach you everything from her writings. Plain and simple. If she isn't, then our SDA foundation is false. If she is, then believe, read her writings and have the scriptures opened up like never before.

Please read this brief article written 14 years ago by Lawrence Nelson from Steps To Life ministry. 
http://www.stepstolife.org/php/view_article.php?article_id=177

Enjoy!

My neighbor loves to read her writings and feels blessed by them, and she is not Adventist.  So people see it is from God, not another origin...

[Hobie]

Now we see the events happening just as predicted coming at the last days...

The world is becoming more and more lawless. Soon great trouble will arise among the nations—trouble that will not cease until Jesus comes.—The Review and Herald, February 11, 1904. LDE 12.3

We are on the very verge of the time of trouble, and perplexities that are scarcely dreamed of are before us.—Testimonies for the Church 9:43 (1909). LDE 12.4

We are standing on the threshold of the crisis of the ages. In quick succession the judgments of God will follow one another—fire, and flood, and earthquake, with war and bloodshed.—Prophets and Kings, 278 (c. 1914).

We are to see in history the fulfillment of prophecy, to study the workings of Providence in the great reformatory movements, and to understand the progress of events in the marshaling of the nations for the final conflict of the great controversy.—Testimonies for the Church 8:307 (1904).

There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before.... The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days.—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 112, 113 (1896). LDE 15.3

Let us read and study the twelfth chapter of Daniel. It is a warning that we shall all need to understand before the time of the end.—Manuscript Releases 15:228 (1903). LDE 15.4

The last book of the New Testament scriptures is full of truth that we need to understand.—Christ's Object Lessons, 133 (1900). LDE 15.5

The unfulfilled predictions of the book of Revelation are soon to be fulfilled. This prophecy is now to be studied with diligence by the people of God and should be clearly understood. It does not conceal the truth; it clearly forewarns, telling us what will be in the future.—Notebook Leaflets 1:96 (1903).

I think we are seeing it on daily basis as the news comes on..