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"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

Started by Tiny Sparrow, Tue Dec 30, 2014 - 17:36:05

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QuoteMatthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

I was wondering how this is addressed in matters of the message of Christ being taken to the Gentiles after his ascension. Did Jesus say anything, not via Peter or Paul, but Christ himself, in matters that that commission to the lost sheep of Israel changed to include the dogs?As Gentiles were called.

What does Messianic Judaism teach in this respect? Or are all Gentiles Jewish when entering into the Messianic Judaism tradition?

Shimshon

Quote from: Tiny Sparrow on Tue Dec 30, 2014 - 17:36:05
QuoteMatthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

I was wondering how this is addressed in matters of the message of Christ being taken to the Gentiles after his ascension. Did Jesus say anything, not via Peter or Paul, but Christ himself, in matters that that commission to the lost sheep of Israel changed to include the dogs?As Gentiles were called.

What does Messianic Judaism teach in this respect? Or are all Gentiles Jewish when entering into the Messianic Judaism tradition?
It is not addressing the matter of Messiah being taken to the gentiles. He is identifying Yisrael's role in the gospel.  Paul refered to it as well likewise;

Romans 1:16
[The Righteous Shall Live by Faith] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:9
There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,

Romans 2:10
but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.

Why is the Jew first?  Because it is God's plan, Messiah came 'through' Yisrael.  Without the Jews there is no Messiah.  He was sent to redeem God's people and the blessing of this overflows to the nations of the world.

Here is Messiah explaining the uniqueness of 'the people whom you (God the father) gave me (Messiah) out of the world'.  Who are 'the people'?

John 17
6"I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.7Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you.8For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.9I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.10All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.11And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.12While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.13But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves.14I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.17Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.18As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.19And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.

20"I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.24Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.25O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me.26I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them."

That's a lot of them's and they's no?  Let's recap it.

God have people to Messiah from out of the world, they were God's and he gave them to Messiah.  Messiah manifest the name of God to them and they kept God's word.  What word?  The word from God that said all that Messiah has, his entire essence is from God, True God from True God.  Messiah gave these chosen people the message about Messiah, and they received it, coming to know in truth that the Messiah is God in the flesh, the Son of God, born from above, not below, from before the creation.

Messiah states he is leaving the world but 'they' are not and that they will be kept by the name that was manifest to them through Messiah. While Messiah was with them he kept them in God's name which was given to the Messiah.  (is God's name as revealed to us now Yeshua?) Messiah has guarded them and God has kept them as he gave them to Messiah.  All kept but one, Judas.  Which should clue you in beyond a shadow of a doubt who 'they/them/their' are. 

They are the Jewish apostles. 

But you then will wonder, what about the gentiles?  Verse 20 includes you as well.  Messiah not only identified that 'they' were the lost of Yisrael, not the leaders but the common people God gave Messiah.  (I did not come to call the righteous but the sinners to repent) He also identified that there will also be those who 'believe through ''their'' word.  So you see, the message is all bound up with Yisrael, and why the church has shot itself in the foot when it rejects her, and the Word of God given Messiah. 

Yeshua was sent to redeem his people, as promised long ago.  Yisrael's redemption means the redemption of the world too!  But the world will not be redeemed as long as it rejects and/or replaces God's chosen people and his word with their own. 

Messiah himself said 'you will not see me again UNTIL you say blessed are you who comes in the name of the Lord'.  He did not say 'you will not see me again.'  'I am replacing you with a people who were not a people'.  This is a complete misunderstanding of his message.  God has not forsaken his people.  He bound all under sin so all would be on equal footing.  He 'partially' blinded us and 'temporarily' disciplined us UNTIL we repent.  And he was sent to initiate the repentance.  It starts in the House of God.  I think the reason most Christians stumble on that verse because they think they replace Yisrael as the house of God.  And until that stops they will likely remain confused by Messiah's words in regards to Yisrael.

DaveW

TS - God always starts off small and grows from there. 

He started with Abraham, then expanded to his son Isaac (but not Ishmael) and then went to Isaac's son Jacob (but not his twin brother Esau) and only after three generations did it expand out to Jacob's 12 sons and then an entire nation that grew out of those 12 clans. That took centuries. 

So the fact that Our Lord came ONLY to the Jews during His earthly lifetime should be no surprize.  Note the instructions given to the apostles by the Risen Lord in Acts 1:

8 but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

Note the pattern: first a city, then a province, then another province, then the rest of the world. 
Start small and grow from there.

Nomad1689

Quote from: Tiny Sparrow on Tue Dec 30, 2014 - 17:36:05
QuoteMatthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

I was wondering how this is addressed in matters of the message of Christ being taken to the Gentiles after his ascension. Did Jesus say anything, not via Peter or Paul, but Christ himself, in matters that that commission to the lost sheep of Israel changed to include the dogs?As Gentiles were called.

Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Tiny Sparrow


Hexalpa

The lost sheep of Israel are the lost sheep of the servants of God.
God's servants were lost, led astray.
Jesus came to put them back on track, not the people of God = Jews, he was looking for his servants to serve God, not man !

Jesus was looking for the servants, not clowns. because they would understand what he was on about.
Just because one is of the tribe of Israel this does not cut it and if they are of the tribe of the Jews well they are even further removed from God.
Jesus was looking for the true Servants, just like Nathanael a true Israelite and in Nathanael he knew who Jesus was directly.
If the people of the tribe did not cut it, he pointed out to just drop them because they were hopeless.

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