Proof why there should not be so-called "Womenpriests".

[Catholica]

"Don't listen to St. Paul".

Ordain a Lady

[kensington]

That's hilarious.  Not really serious though. They kind of give off the impression that if you are baptized you are qualified to be a priest in the church.

Great entertainment if you ask me.

[chosenone]

Thats probably one of the weirdest songs I have ever seen 

[Red Baker]

Well, there you go!  They have one thing correct~Don't listen to Paul! For if they did, then they would know, that mommies cannot be called in the ministry, to usurp authority over a man. I am still trying to figure out if that was a man or woman in the pink shirt singing at the end of the video, on the left hand side, in the back.   

[Catholica]

That's hilarious.  Not really serious though. They kind of give off the impression that if you are baptized you are qualified to be a priest in the church.

Great entertainment if you ask me.

These women are as serious as a heart attack.  That is what they believe, that if you are simply a baptized Catholic then you are qualified for the priesthood. In other words, they want gender not to matter.

[Catholica]

Well, there you go!  They have one thing correct~Don't listen to Paul! For if they did, then they would know, that mommies cannot be called in the ministry, to usurp authority over a man. I am still trying to figure out if that was a man or woman in the pink shirt singing at the end of the video, on the left hand side, in the back.   

They are their own worst apologists aren't they? They know that St. Paul is saying something that defeats their cause. They know it.

What's worse, imagine they were in the pulpit. They would also be saying in their hearts "Don't listen to St. Paul".  Now that's dangerous!

I can understand why women desire to preach. The reasons can be as good as doing something great for God to as bad as wanting to overturn authority. I think the showstopper though is that they are not going to be able to expound the whole Bible with a good conscience, and that is a real problem!

[Buster D Body Crab]

Thats probably one of the weirdest songs I have ever seen 

There's a consistency in threads like this don't you think? Misogyny comes to mind. Hate of women. At the very least the deeply ingrained sin of sexism, bigotry, and having no respect for the sole sex that brings life into the world.  And by God's will.

Besides of course wondering how many times it has to be said that God does not disapprove of women pastors, or priests? How many threads have to be posted charging that God sees women as inferior, when that is a lie.

Unlike mortals predisposition to sin, God is not a sexist. There was no sexism at the cross.

In fact it was abolished at the cross because the law that imputed sexism against women was fulfilled and then done away with. Freeing women so that all are equal in Christ.

How many Roman Catholics attempt to belittle women yet appear to forget they pray to Mary? A woman who the church has given dominion over the penitent male Roman Catholic as he pleads she act on their behalf and plead their case to Christ.

And of course it should go without saying that if it wasn't for a woman no Christian would exist. 

[chosenone]

Women in ministry dont 'usurp' anything over a man. She should only do it if her husband agrees, and her church presumably is ok with it or they would leave. Many many men are more than happy to have women in leadership. They know that God calls many women to do this.

[MeMyself]

Well, there you go!  They have one thing correct~Don't listen to Paul! For if they did, then they would know, that mommies cannot be called in the ministry, to usurp authority over a man

As for this mommy:  I wouldn't want nor am I even a slight bit tempted to trade the moldy crumb of being a Pastor over the lavish feast of raising up children to be the next generation of God followers. IMO, one position is of priceless importance, and I am privileged to be given the charge. My call into the ministry here in my home and to teach younger women how to love their husbands and children is an awesome responsibility, that I am humbled by and thankful for every.day.

[Buster D Body Crab]

You were called to be a mom. No greater responsibility exists. And that too is a calling by God. Bless you and yours. 

[MeMyself]

You were called to be a mom. No greater responsibility exists. And that too is a calling by God. Bless you and yours. 

Thank you.  I don't know why, but the "tone" of posts made against women as if it is lesser to be a "mommy" or a woman is just hurtful.

As if Pastoring is of utmost importance, but the ministry at home is an invisible one and to be reduced and down played. Ugh.

But, I am having a "tender" moment this morning in wondering "have I made a difference at all for the Lord"?  Though I can't see evidence that I did the right thing, the God honoring thing...I will put my hope in the fact that it was all done, years of prayer, of sacrifice, of encouragement and training them up...for the glory of God and not worry about the outcome, OR convince me that my call to ministry was all a hoax.

Sorry...just venting.

[Buster D Body Crab]

Vent away.
I hope no woman is ever made to feel marginalized when they are a mom.

This thread's topic concerns women priests. Another in another forum affirmed women cannot be pastors.

The marginalizing as I read it of late and as it appears now to be occurring with greater frequency, pertains to women and their place in God's Kingdom generally. Attempting to marginalize women for being female and that necessarily disqualifies them from serving God as anyone but an individual made supplicant to the male authority.

The great responsibility is motherhood. What some appear to be arguing though is that you,and all women really, were you not a mother, are only fit to commit to that service in God's Kingdom because you are female. And that that is God's will. While any other position of authority and anointing by God is not possible.
As if you, or any woman, could not be called to be a pastor and a mother. Which is not true because I have met a woman who was absolutely anointed to the pulpit and she was expecting her first child at the time.

We are not of the world though we live in the world. As a woman certain of those in the world will always try to bring you down due to your sex. The cross was the great equalizer. Jesus died for all people and there is no sexism in God's plan or Kingdom.
Focus on what God calls you to do. Not what worldly men and women hope to convince you is a hoax. When they are not of God how would they ever realize the work of God taking place in you or any woman?
God knew you before you were born! You're his daughter and you do him proud.  When you feel that swelling in your heart that you are in grace and you are in the light and love of the Father , let that put those frightened detractors in their place. When God approves you no one else who claims otherwise matters.

You were called to be a mom. No greater responsibility exists. And that too is a calling by God. Bless you and yours. 

Thank you.  I don't know why, but the "tone" of posts made against women as if it is lesser to be a "mommy" or a woman is just hurtful.

As if Pastoring is of utmost importance, but the ministry at home is an invisible one and to be reduced and down played. Ugh.

But, I am having a "tender" moment this morning in wondering "have I made a difference at all for the Lord"?  Though I can't see evidence that I did the right thing, the God honoring thing...I will put my hope in the fact that it was all done, years of prayer, of sacrifice, of encouragement and training them up...for the glory of God and not worry about the outcome, OR convince me that my call to ministry was all a hoax.

Sorry...just venting.

[MeMyself]

Buster, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your words of encouragement that I truly needed today.

[Catholica]

Thats probably one of the weirdest songs I have ever seen 

There's a consistency in threads like this don't you think? Misogyny comes to mind. Hate of women. At the very least the deeply ingrained sin of sexism, bigotry, and having no respect for the sole sex that brings life into the world.  And by God's will.

Besides of course wondering how many times it has to be said that God does not disapprove of women pastors, or priests? How many threads have to be posted charging that God sees women as inferior, when that is a lie.

Unlike mortals predisposition to sin, God is not a sexist. There was no sexism at the cross.

In fact it was abolished at the cross because the law that imputed sexism against women was fulfilled and then done away with. Freeing women so that all are equal in Christ.

It's no more misogynist to say that women cannot be priests than to say that women cannot be fathers.

To a Catholic the priest acts "in persona Christi" that is, "in the person of Christ".  We believe that words like "the Son" and "the Father" have spiritual importance.  Jesus is expressed as male, and the priests act as he acted, and He acts through them.  Through their priesthood we believe that they are called to be spiritual fathers to the church, as is shown in scripture (for example, Paul refers to himself as Timothy's "father").

Furthermore we know from scripture that Jesus only selected men to be his twelve apostles.  And those apostles were the only ones to hold offices.  We believe that there is intent behind how Jesus selected those men.  And the 2000 year tradition of the church has always been to ordain ONLY men.

How many Roman Catholics attempt to belittle women yet appear to forget they pray to Mary? A woman who the church has given dominion over the penitent male Roman Catholic as he pleads she act on their behalf and plead their case to Christ.

And of course it should go without saying that if it wasn't for a woman no Christian would exist. 

No Roman Catholics belittle women and remain faithful Catholics. And your claim that we do belittle them is both uncharitable and untrue.  We simply abide by the authority Christ gave to us, which only allows for men to become priests.

If you honor women for their childbearing, then you might consider honoring the Woman for her Childbearing.  A woman justly deserves honor for giving birth to a child.  Mary deserves even greater honor for giving birth to the Child.

[chosenone]

Buster, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your words of encouragement that I truly needed today.

The world may play down the importance of being a dedicated mum, but God doesn't. 

[Buster D Body Crab]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.
The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.


1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people. Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

No Protestant has a dog in this fight. It's your church.

In our churches women are pastors. That fact alone rebukes the naysayers in the Protestant tradition that claim women cannot be pastors.
What then is the point of threads like this really? When the proof as it exists on earth, women pastors in the Protestant tradition, Roman Catholic doctrine currently forbidding women as priests,  speaks for itself.

Thats probably one of the weirdest songs I have ever seen 

There's a consistency in threads like this don't you think? Misogyny comes to mind. Hate of women. At the very least the deeply ingrained sin of sexism, bigotry, and having no respect for the sole sex that brings life into the world.  And by God's will.

Besides of course wondering how many times it has to be said that God does not disapprove of women pastors, or priests? How many threads have to be posted charging that God sees women as inferior, when that is a lie.

Unlike mortals predisposition to sin, God is not a sexist. There was no sexism at the cross.

In fact it was abolished at the cross because the law that imputed sexism against women was fulfilled and then done away with. Freeing women so that all are equal in Christ.

It's no more misogynist to say that women cannot be priests than to say that women cannot be fathers.

To a Catholic the priest acts "in persona Christi" that is, "in the person of Christ".  We believe that words like "the Son" and "the Father" have spiritual importance.  Jesus is expressed as male, and the priests act as he acted, and He acts through them.  Through their priesthood we believe that they are called to be spiritual fathers to the church, as is shown in scripture (for example, Paul refers to himself as Timothy's "father").

Furthermore we know from scripture that Jesus only selected men to be his twelve apostles.  And those apostles were the only ones to hold offices.  We believe that there is intent behind how Jesus selected those men.  And the 2000 year tradition of the church has always been to ordain ONLY men.

How many Roman Catholics attempt to belittle women yet appear to forget they pray to Mary? A woman who the church has given dominion over the penitent male Roman Catholic as he pleads she act on their behalf and plead their case to Christ.

And of course it should go without saying that if it wasn't for a woman no Christian would exist. 

No Roman Catholics belittle women and remain faithful Catholics. And your claim that we do belittle them is both uncharitable and untrue.  We simply abide by the authority Christ gave to us, which only allows for men to become priests.

If you honor women for their childbearing, then you might consider honoring the Woman for her Childbearing.  A woman justly deserves honor for giving birth to a child.  Mary deserves even greater honor for giving birth to the Child.

[chosenone]

Thats probably one of the weirdest songs I have ever seen 

There's a consistency in threads like this don't you think? Misogyny comes to mind. Hate of women. At the very least the deeply ingrained sin of sexism, bigotry, and having no respect for the sole sex that brings life into the world.  And by God's will.

Besides of course wondering how many times it has to be said that God does not disapprove of women pastors, or priests? How many threads have to be posted charging that God sees women as inferior, when that is a lie.

Unlike mortals predisposition to sin, God is not a sexist. There was no sexism at the cross.

In fact it was abolished at the cross because the law that imputed sexism against women was fulfilled and then done away with. Freeing women so that all are equal in Christ.

It's no more misogynist to say that women cannot be priests than to say that women cannot be fathers.

To a Catholic the priest acts "in persona Christi" that is, "in the person of Christ".  We believe that words like "the Son" and "the Father" have spiritual importance.  Jesus is expressed as male, and the priests act as he acted, and He acts through them.  Through their priesthood we believe that they are called to be spiritual fathers to the church, as is shown in scripture (for example, Paul refers to himself as Timothy's "father").

Furthermore we know from scripture that Jesus only selected men to be his twelve apostles.  And those apostles were the only ones to hold offices.  We believe that there is intent behind how Jesus selected those men.  And the 2000 year tradition of the church has always been to ordain ONLY men.

How many Roman Catholics attempt to belittle women yet appear to forget they pray to Mary? A woman who the church has given dominion over the penitent male Roman Catholic as he pleads she act on their behalf and plead their case to Christ.

And of course it should go without saying that if it wasn't for a woman no Christian would exist. 

No Roman Catholics belittle women and remain faithful Catholics. And your claim that we do belittle them is both uncharitable and untrue.  We simply abide by the authority Christ gave to us, which only allows for men to become priests.

If you honor women for their childbearing, then you might consider honoring the Woman for her Childbearing.  A woman justly deserves honor for giving birth to a child.  Mary deserves even greater honor for giving birth to the Child.

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case, so some men wouldnt attend a church where a women was vicar/priest, its their choice. 

[Buster D Body Crab]

Buster, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your words of encouragement that I truly needed today.

    I'm always here if you need me. That's what the family of Christ, his church, is about.
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[Buster D Body Crab]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case, so some men wouldnt attend a church where a women was vicar/priest, its their choice.

That notion is supposedly based off of St.Peter being the first pope. However, the apostle Peter was married so....

I wanted to add as far as that priesthood of the RCC is concerned  that Peter spoke against being lord's over God's heritage.
1 Peter 5:1-3  (AMP) I warn and counsel the elders among you (the pastors and spiritual guides of the church) as a fellow elder and as an eyewitness [called to testify] of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a sharer in the glory (the honor and splendor) that is to be revealed (disclosed, unfolded):
2 Tend (nurture, guard, guide, and fold) the flock of God that is [your responsibility], not by coercion or constraint, but willingly; not dishonorably motivated by the advantages and profits [belonging to the office], but eagerly and cheerfully;
3 Not domineering [as arrogant, dictatorial, and overbearing persons] over those in your charge, but being examples (patterns and models of Christian living) to the flock (the congregation).

[Catholica]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary.

We are told that it is good for men to remain unmarried because they are concerned with pleasing the Lord without a divided heart.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

Yet in the RC church they must be.

False.  There are 23 rites in the Catholic Church.  In 22 of them, priests can be married.  Only the Latin rite is there a discipline where only single men can be priests.

Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case

Would you attend St. Paul's church?

1 Corinthians 7
1Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
....
7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

[doorknocker]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case/

St. Paul was single, and told us in his scripture that a person who is single is single-mindedly focused on pleasing the Lord.  Would you attend St. Paul's church?

I thought the church was build on Peter and not Paul.

And Peter had a mother-in-law, so I would assume Peter was married.

[Catholica]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case/

St. Paul was single, and told us in his scripture that a person who is single is single-mindedly focused on pleasing the Lord.  Would you attend St. Paul's church?

I thought the church was build on Peter and not Paul.

And Peter had a mother-in-law, so I would assume Peter was married.

Yes he was married, what is your point?  This doesn't pose a problem for the Catholic Church or it's doctrine.

The Church is built on Christ as the cornerstone and the apostles as well.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

[chosenone]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary.

We are told that it is good for men to remain unmarried because they are concerned with pleasing the Lord without a divided heart.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

Yet in the RC church they must be.

False.  There are 23 rites in the Catholic Church.  In 22 of them, priests can be married.  Only the Latin rite is there a discipline where only single men can be priests.

Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case

Would you attend St. Paul's church?

1 Corinthians 7
1Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
....
7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

However, men who have never married cant possibly be able to give advise on marriage sex and family, and it does tend to attract men who have same sex attraction with this no marriage criteria.  Its believed that 2/3rd's of R Catholic priests in the USA are gay.
Dave W always says that Paul must have been married at some point, to have got where he did in the Jewish faith.
As far as church leaders are concerned, the Bible does clearly say that they should be married. 

[Catholica]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary.

We are told that it is good for men to remain unmarried because they are concerned with pleasing the Lord without a divided heart.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

Yet in the RC church they must be.

False.  There are 23 rites in the Catholic Church.  In 22 of them, priests can be married.  Only the Latin rite is there a discipline where only single men can be priests.

Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case

Would you attend St. Paul's church?

1 Corinthians 7
1Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."
....
7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

However,

...argues chosenone against the words of scripture...

men who have never married cant possibly be able to give advise on marriage sex and family,

...riiiight.  Just like someone who has never committed x sin could give advise on not committing that sin.  Just like someone who has never been a heretic can never give advise on repenting from heresy.  Just like someone who has never been an adulterer or had someone cheat on them can never counsel a couple through adultery.

The truth of Christ, the Gospel, is the power to bring healing to all people, not human experience.

and it does tend to attract men who have same sex attraction with this no marriage criteria.  Its believed that 2/3rd's of R Catholic priests in the USA are gay.

Evidence?  "It is believed" is nonsense without evidence.

Dave W always says that Paul must have been married at some point, to have got where he did in the Jewish faith.

Ok, would you attend Jesus' Church?  He was never married.

As far as church leaders are concerned, the Bible does clearly say that they should be the husband of one wife.

Which in context means, never re-married.  Jesus is the high priest, and was never married.  It is not an absolute requirement that all priests must be married. 

Furthermore Jesus tells us of some who have "made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom", and that whoever can accept this, should.  That means that some have given up marriage for the kingdom.  Catholic priests are some that have; if you can accept this, Jesus says you should.

By the way, how would a womenpriest be "the husband of one wife"?  Are you suggesting that she needs to take a wife?

[winsome]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

[Buster D Body Crab]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

She's not to be worshiped. And she's not to be an emissary between the faithful and God-Jesus.

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.
Catholics fully support that scripture.

Not in evidence when there is a priest that the church authorizes to hear confession and forgive sins, while believing he is the embodiment of Christ when he's in the pulpit.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

The Roman Catholic church supports a priesthood and a laity and see's a difference between the two.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

Yes they do.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

So Roman Catholics do not have to confess any sins to a priest. 

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Semantics. He's a priest and he's called father.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

Because the word, "rosary" isn't in the scripture. That doesn't change the message in the verse.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

There are plenty. The proper understanding arriving with concession by the Roman Catholic as they're told to believe by the RCC.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

When a pope declared Limbo no longer exists I don' think anyone can say what a pope can or cannot do. He's the vicar of Christ.
When there are women priests already in existence it shows God and man believe  a woman qualified.

[winsome]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

She's not to be worshiped. And she's not to be an emissary between the faithful and God-Jesus.

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.
Catholics fully support that scripture.

Not in evidence when there is a priest that the church authorizes to hear confession and forgive sins, while believing he is the embodiment of Christ when he's in the pulpit.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

The Roman Catholic church supports a priesthood and a laity and see's a difference between the two.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

Yes they do.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

So Roman Catholics do not have to confess any sins to a priest. 

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Semantics. He's a priest and he's called father.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

Because the word, "rosary" isn't in the scripture. That doesn't change the message in the verse.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

There are plenty. The proper understanding arriving with concession by the Roman Catholic as they're told to believe by the RCC.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

When a pope declared Limbo no longer exists I don' think anyone can say what a pope can or cannot do. He's the vicar of Christ.
When there are women priests already in existence it shows God and man believe  a woman qualified.

You are mistaken in your replies and show a great lack of understanding of Catholic teaching and practice - and of scripture.

I fail to see the relevance your laundry list of complaints to the topic.

Can I suggest if you really want to discuss any of these you start your own thread rather than taking this one off-topic.

[Buster D Body Crab]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

She's not to be worshiped. And she's not to be an emissary between the faithful and God-Jesus.

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.
Catholics fully support that scripture.

Not in evidence when there is a priest that the church authorizes to hear confession and forgive sins, while believing he is the embodiment of Christ when he's in the pulpit.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

The Roman Catholic church supports a priesthood and a laity and see's a difference between the two.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

Yes they do.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

So Roman Catholics do not have to confess any sins to a priest. 

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Semantics. He's a priest and he's called father.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

Because the word, "rosary" isn't in the scripture. That doesn't change the message in the verse.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

There are plenty. The proper understanding arriving with concession by the Roman Catholic as they're told to believe by the RCC.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

When a pope declared Limbo no longer exists I don' think anyone can say what a pope can or cannot do. He's the vicar of Christ.
When there are women priests already in existence it shows God and man believe  a woman qualified.

You are mistaken in your replies and show a great lack of understanding of Catholic teaching and practice - and of scripture.

I fail to see the relevance your laundry list of complaints to the topic.

Can I suggest if you really want to discuss any of these you start your own thread rather than taking this one off-topic.

It's interesting. You have a regular retort for anyone who posts scripture that contradicts what you affirm is the truth of the faith you say you follow. You call people ignorant of Roman Catholicism and accuse them of taking a thread off topic.
Just because you don't like what is posited to rebuff what you argue as a matter of fact in threads like this. "Proof" why there should not be so called women priests.

While everything I have posted pertains to that very topic. The other thing that remains consistent of late is the threads that attempt to belittle women using scripture.
Meanwhile, you post walls of text you've copied from other sources and then complain when people counter your arguments as you use those walls of text, saying they're using other peoples information and not their own knowledge to present a retort and that makes them not credible.

You appear to want to preach absolutes without anyone countering you. This is a discussion forum. A debate atmosphere is to be expected and even encouraged in those forums where that is standard. Not a soloists sound stage.

You don't like nor approve women being empowered as part of God's plan. That's become very clear long ago.
So what?

You don't have a say in the matter when God calls whom he calls. All you can do is deal with how you feel about what God does without your permission. Or that of the church since we're not all Roman Catholic.

[Buster D Body Crab]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case/

St. Paul was single, and told us in his scripture that a person who is single is single-mindedly focused on pleasing the Lord.  Would you attend St. Paul's church?

I thought the church was build on Peter and not Paul.

And Peter had a mother-in-law, so I would assume Peter was married.

Yes he was married, what is your point?  This doesn't pose a problem for the Catholic Church or it's doctrine.

The Church is built on Christ as the cornerstone and the apostles as well.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Everything.

When the Latin Rite says it was built on the rock that is St.Peter all things may be presumed to have emanated from his instruction and example. When St.Peter was married and yet he could be the driving force doing God's work in founding the Roman Catholic doctrine, how can it be argued that priests today can't have wives because that is an impediment to continuing God's work that Peter began as a married man? 

[winsome]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

She's not to be worshiped. And she's not to be an emissary between the faithful and God-Jesus.

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.
Catholics fully support that scripture.

Not in evidence when there is a priest that the church authorizes to hear confession and forgive sins, while believing he is the embodiment of Christ when he's in the pulpit.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

The Roman Catholic church supports a priesthood and a laity and see's a difference between the two.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

Yes they do.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

So Roman Catholics do not have to confess any sins to a priest. 

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Semantics. He's a priest and he's called father.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

Because the word, "rosary" isn't in the scripture. That doesn't change the message in the verse.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

There are plenty. The proper understanding arriving with concession by the Roman Catholic as they're told to believe by the RCC.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

When a pope declared Limbo no longer exists I don' think anyone can say what a pope can or cannot do. He's the vicar of Christ.
When there are women priests already in existence it shows God and man believe  a woman qualified.

You are mistaken in your replies and show a great lack of understanding of Catholic teaching and practice - and of scripture.

I fail to see the relevance your laundry list of complaints to the topic.

Can I suggest if you really want to discuss any of these you start your own thread rather than taking this one off-topic.

It's interesting. You have a regular retort for anyone who posts scripture that contradicts what you affirm is the truth of the faith you say you follow. You call people ignorant of Roman Catholicism and accuse them of taking a thread off topic.
Just because you don't like what is posited to rebuff what you argue as a matter of fact in threads like this. "Proof" why there should not be so called women priests.

While everything I have posted pertains to that very topic. The other thing that remains consistent of late is the threads that attempt to belittle women using scripture.
Meanwhile, you post walls of text you've copied from other sources and then complain when people counter your arguments as you use those walls of text, saying they're using other peoples information and not their own knowledge to present a retort and that makes them not credible.

You appear to want to preach absolutes without anyone countering you. This is a discussion forum. A debate atmosphere is to be expected and even encouraged in those forums where that is standard. Not a soloists sound stage.

You don't like nor approve women being empowered as part of God's plan. That's become very clear long ago.
So what?

You don't have a say in the matter when God calls whom he calls. All you can do is deal with how you feel about what God does without your permission. Or that of the church since we're not all Roman Catholic.

As a Moderator would you approve if I take this thread completely off topic and answer your laundry list of complaints in detail?

[Buster D Body Crab]

Actually you don't need to go off topic to reply to my post that was on topic.No reasonable person would ever imagine my reply constitutes complaining.

[Catholica]

I do respect women for their choice to bear children to life. And I do recognize that Mary was chosen by God to deliver Jesus to the world.

I do not accept that she is accorded status as one to be worshiped and act as intermediary between myself and the Godhead. And I'll say that it is inconsistent in the argument regarding earthly women and their lesser status as some claim, to then argue that Mary, a woman, is given the status of standing between earthly mortals and Jesus Christ in Heaven so that she is then accorded the status of emissary because Catholics do not have a direct line to God.

When Mary as a woman would not have been accorded that authority in the flesh because of her sex it is odd that men would now give her a higher status because of her sex when she'd dead.

Mary has a high status because she is the mother of Jesus and because God gave her that status,

She's not to be worshiped. And she's not to be an emissary between the faithful and God-Jesus.

She's not worshiped.  This is off topic.

The Bible tells us that there is but one mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5.
Catholics fully support that scripture.

Not in evidence when there is a priest that the church authorizes to hear confession and forgive sins, while believing he is the embodiment of Christ when he's in the pulpit.

This is off topic.

1 Peter 2:9 teaches the Christian of the priesthood of all people.

Catholics fully support that scripture.

The Roman Catholic church supports a priesthood and a laity and see's a difference between the two.

Whereas the RCC teaches that there is to be a distinction between the believer and the RCC priesthood.This office is part of the confessional as well wherein Catholics are taught they must confess their sins to that priest.

There is a difference between the priteshood of all believers and the ministerial priesthood.

Yes they do.

Glad you agree.

While scriptures teaches non-Roman Catholics that they are to confess their sins only to God. 1 John 1:9  (AMP) If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

The word only is not in there and it doesn't say who we are to confess our sins to.

So Roman Catholics do not have to confess any sins to a priest. 

Yes they do, because that is the intent of the Gospel writer.  This is off topic.

While Matthew Matthew 23:9 tells us to call no man on earth father. Because we have but one father who is in Heaven. Therefore, per Protestant scriptures, Jesus is not personified in a man who is called Father in the Roman Catholic tradition.

We address our priests as father, not call them father.

Semantics. He's a priest and he's called father.

This is off topic.

Matthew 6:7 tells the non-Catholic that the Rosary familiar to the Roman Catholic practice is forbidden.

No it doesn't.

Because the word, "rosary" isn't in the scripture. That doesn't change the message in the verse.

This is off topic.

With all the differences between the word of God and the teachings of the Roman Catholics church, arguing that women can never be priests really isn't something that is going to go anywhere here.

There are no scriptures (properly interpreted) that contradict Catholic doctrines (properly understood).

There are plenty. The proper understanding arriving with concession by the Roman Catholic as they're told to believe by the RCC.

This response is off topic, but the small part of your on-topic content started here in the second level of quotes.

The Roman Catholic church is commanded by the Pope. If he changes his mind about the status of women in the office of cleric that's it. Meanwhile, all else is iron clad Roman Catholic tradition.

He cannot and will not change Church teaching about women not being priests.

When a pope declared Limbo no longer exists I don' think anyone can say what a pope can or cannot do. He's the vicar of Christ.
When there are women priests already in existence it shows God and man believe  a woman qualified.

Here is the basis of the only on-topic argument in your entire post, that because (you assert) the Pope "declared that Limbo no longer exists" that that is evidence that "no one can say what a pope can or cannot do".

This argument shows simply that you don't understand the Catholic faith.

First of all, the pope never said that "limbo doesn't exist".  Dealing with the topic of limbo is "off topic".  So if you want to talk limbo, I'd be happy to do that with you.  Perhaps you could start a topic and provide evidence that what you claim is actually true, but you won't be able to because it isn't.

Second, the pope IS in fact bound to teach ONLY that which is in full accord with the established doctrine and dogma of the faith.  The pope can't change that, and doesn't have the authority.  The pope can clarify things already taught but cannot change them and say that they are false.

Finally, the issue of women's ordination was authoritatively closed by St. Pope John Paul II, a pope whom no one would claim to be a misogynist or any other slanderous terms, if they knew the Saint and his writings.  But he did produce a document to address this issue called "ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS" which concludes with the statement "I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful."  Nothing can be clearer for defining a anti-doctrine.   And this statement has been re-affirmed by Pope Benedict and Pope Francis (whom many people see as being a "liberal" pope, which is code in part for an infusion of modernist ideas like male and female equivalence, but I believe that they are absolutely mistaken).

Buster, really, it's not wise to try to tell well-catechized Catholics such as winsome and I what the Catholic Church does or does not teach and what the Catholic Church can and cannot do. Whatever source of information you are using to get your information is blinded by something; they simply don't accurately understand the Catholic Church, and it would probably be a wise thing, if you are interested in truth, to not go to them to try to understand Catholicism, which even they don't understand.

[Catholica]

No where are we told that churches leaders should be single, on the contrary. Yet in the RC church they must be. Just as I wouldnt attened a church where that is the case/

St. Paul was single, and told us in his scripture that a person who is single is single-mindedly focused on pleasing the Lord.  Would you attend St. Paul's church?

I thought the church was build on Peter and not Paul.

And Peter had a mother-in-law, so I would assume Peter was married.

Yes he was married, what is your point?  This doesn't pose a problem for the Catholic Church or it's doctrine.

The Church is built on Christ as the cornerstone and the apostles as well.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Everything.

When the Latin Rite says it was built on the rock that is St.Peter all things may be presumed to have emanated from his instruction and example. When St.Peter was married and yet he could be the driving force doing God's work in founding the Roman Catholic doctrine, how can it be argued that priests today can't have wives because that is an impediment to continuing God's work that Peter began as a married man?

That priests are not married, as I have written is a discipline in only the Latin rite.  Listen carefully:

1) Disciplines are a binding practice stemming from the authority Christ gave the Church to bind and loose.   Doctrines are matters of faith delivered from the Lord. 

2) Disciplines can change, doctrines cannot.

3) Priestly celibacy is a discipline.  This can be observed by seeing that Easter Rite and Anglican Ordinariate priests can and are married.  In theory, married men could in the future be given the option of becoming Latin Rite priests (what most people associate with the "Catholic Church" is the Latin Rite).

ERGO, the fact that Peter was married works just fine in the Catholic system.  Thereby, that Peter was a priest doesn't show that doctrines can change, nor does it show that women can be ordained.  So unbeknownst to you, your point has no bearing on the topic at hand.

[Buster D Body Crab]

Re-read carefully.

When the Latin Rite says it was built on the rock that is St.Peter all things may be presumed to have emanated from his instruction and example. When St.Peter was married and yet he could be the driving force doing God's work in founding the Roman Catholic doctrine, how can it be argued that priests today can't have wives because that is an impediment to continuing God's work that Peter began as a married man?

Latin rite is the Latin Catholic church or the Roman Catholic church.

[winsome]

Re-read carefully.

When the Latin Rite says it was built on the rock that is St.Peter all things may be presumed to have emanated from his instruction and example. When St.Peter was married and yet he could be the driving force doing God's work in founding the Roman Catholic doctrine, how can it be argued that priests today can't have wives because that is an impediment to continuing God's work that Peter began as a married man?

Latin rite is the Latin Catholic church or the Roman Catholic church.

The name Roman Catholic Church was invented by Protestants as a pejorative term back in the 16c. The Church calls itself the Catholic Church (or more fully the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church). The Catechism is the Catechism of the Catholic Church (not Roman Catholic Church).

Having said that you will see some diocese or parishes calling themslves Roman Catholic as it seems to becoming accepted more generally. Also it may be to indicate they are Catholics of the Roman or Latin Rite (the two names seem to be interchangeable).

Within the Catholic Church there are many Rites who have some differences in practices (not doctrines). And all are under the authority of the Pope.

The different Rites come from different ancient traditions in terms of liturgical and other practices. It has been the practice in the Latin/Roman Rite to not have married priests.