Re: Is sex prior marriage a sin against your current and/or future spouse?

[ManonFire]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither. 

[mommydi]

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things. 

Just trying to understand what you're saying here -
Are you saying if a woman has sex to feel secure, that is a form of prostitution?

[chosenone]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

God 'dubed' you a levite?What makes you think that?

Both men and women have sex for all sorts of reasons, and many become believers after they have had sex with others, but of course their sin is all washed away as if it had never happened. God sees them as clean and whole, spiritually, physically and mentally. Even prostitutes(male and female) can be forgiven and washed clean.

[ManonFire]

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things. 

Just trying to understand what you're saying here -
Are you saying if a woman has sex to feel secure, that is a form of prostitution?

Secure how?  Secure in marriage or secure in some other way? 

Have you read "The Game of Thrones" books or watched the show?  There is a character named Tyrion Lannister, and he buys himself a prostitute, and he falls in love with her.  She could have chosen to be with a number of men, but he offered her security in a way.  In the Post Modern Age, people have "trial marriages" and "relationships."  God may deem them married.  Where is the heart at?  Breaking up is hard to do, because it is not meant to happen.  You end up with this web of hurt and ties between people who are distant, and the result is often wickedness.  A "relationship girl" in a lot of ways, today, is nothing more than Tyrion Lannister's prostitute, but there is a different label and perspective put on in. 

God 'dubed' you a levite?What makes you think that?

Both men and women have sex for all sorts of reasons, and many become believers after they have had sex with others, but of course their sin is all washed away as if it had never happened. God sees them as clean and whole, spiritually, physically and mentally. Even prostitutes(male and female) can be forgiven and washed clean.

Levite. I received a calling from God.  February 2014 I could do little else, but think about God, and God related things.  I became good at talking with him.  I put all my treasures in heaven, and decided I was going to Heaven or Heaven was coming to me.  As a part of my calling I became a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  Levite.  Has to be a virgin. 

God does not judge men and women equally. (Isaiah 4) They are not equal.  They are different.  Man is the head, and woman the neck turning the head.  Team effort.  I woman who lives in sexual sin is sinning against her future husband.  The Post Modern man has been conditioned to look the other way and turn a blind eye to it.  It destroys male honor.  It destroys virtue. 

I lived like the prodigal son.  I could not have a close relationship with God, and go around throwing stones with sin on my soul.  It had to be burnt out and atoned for.  I was saved by God's Grace, but that sin and guilt did not just go away even if it was in my subconsciousness.  It had to be confessed, and I had to work through it.  It really depends on the sin because not all sin is equal either. 

[Texas Conservative]

Good luck on finding a virgin female near your age that isn't a Duggar.

[mommydi]

So you're a man with a sexual history, but have decided you need a virgin to maintain your male honor?

[mommydi]

Good luck on finding a virgin female near your age that isn't a Duggar.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Texas Conservative]

Good luck on finding a virgin female near your age that isn't a Duggar.

I was thinking the same thing.

It is hard enough to find one who is Christian and doesn't have a neck tattoo, and not look old enough to be my mom even though they are younger than me.

[mommydi]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense.   

[mommydi]

It is hard enough to find one who is Christian and doesn't have a neck tattoo, and not look old enough to be my mom even though they are younger than me.

With a voice as low and coarse as #50 grit sandpaper and chipped nail polish, too? 

[chosenone]

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things. 

Just trying to understand what you're saying here -
Are you saying if a woman has sex to feel secure, that is a form of prostitution?

Secure how?  Secure in marriage or secure in some other way? 

Have you read "The Game of Thrones" books or watched the show?  There is a character named Tyrion Lannister, and he buys himself a prostitute, and he falls in love with her.  She could have chosen to be with a number of men, but he offered her security in a way.  In the Post Modern Age, people have "trial marriages" and "relationships."  God may deem them married.  Where is the heart at?  Breaking up is hard to do, because it is not meant to happen.  You end up with this web of hurt and ties between people who are distant, and the result is often wickedness.  A "relationship girl" in a lot of ways, today, is nothing more than Tyrion Lannister's prostitute, but there is a different label and perspective put on in. 

God 'dubed' you a levite?What makes you think that?

Both men and women have sex for all sorts of reasons, and many become believers after they have had sex with others, but of course their sin is all washed away as if it had never happened. God sees them as clean and whole, spiritually, physically and mentally. Even prostitutes(male and female) can be forgiven and washed clean.

Levite. I received a calling from God.  February 2014 I could do little else, but think about God, and God related things.  I became good at talking with him.  I put all my treasures in heaven, and decided I was going to Heaven or Heaven was coming to me.  As a part of my calling I became a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  Levite.  Has to be a virgin. 

God does not judge men and women equally. (Isaiah 4) They are not equal.  They are different.  Man is the head, and woman the neck turning the head.  Team effort.  I woman who lives in sexual sin is sinning against her future husband.  The Post Modern man has been conditioned to look the other way and turn a blind eye to it.  It destroys male honor.  It destroys virtue. 

I lived like the prodigal son.  I could not have a close relationship with God, and go around throwing stones with sin on my soul.  It had to be burnt out and atoned for.  I was saved by God's Grace, but that sin and guilt did not just go away even if it was in my subconsciousness.  It had to be confessed, and I had to work through it.  It really depends on the sin because not all sin is equal either.

Sorry but none of that explains why you now think you are a levite.
Are you Jewish and either
1.
a member of the tribe of Levi.
2.
a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle. 

If not then you arent a levite.

If you or any man has had sex before marriage, then you have also taken something special from your future potential wife,   and what you did is no better than a woman doing it. Fornication is a sin full stop. Its equally wrong for a man as for a woman. Sex before marriage is wrong whoever does it. To say that its worse for woman is very hypocritical to put it mildly and to claim that you or any man can be forgiven and washed clean of that sin yet a women cant, is very offensive and quite honestly appalling. The blood of Jesus washes away all sins.

[chosenone]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense. 

Yes that what I noticed. As if a woman's sins are somehow different or worse than men's. Some people still think that its ok and 'natural' for a man to 'sow his wild oats' and use women for his own sexual gratification before he seeks his virgin bride, while a woman must stay pure. Appalling. 

[chosenone]

Good luck on finding a virgin female near your age that isn't a Duggar.

I think the duggar women would be married off way before 30.

[ManonFire]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense. 

Post Modern woman accepted some satanic lies.  It is 1960, and Hugh Hefner, a Psychology major, is working on producing Playboy.  He wants to live in a world where he can have three girlfriends on a rotational basis, and no one will bat an eye.  He is going to put the girl next door on the cover of his magazine, and he is going to leave little hints about how many times he slept with her, and how good she was in bed.  The psychological effects of this, and other magazines and media, over time, is that men become self-centered seekers of pleasure instead of Robin Hood with his heart on fire to save Maid Marion.  Don't get me wrong, I am more after the root of the problem, but if Christians are going to fix the Body of Christ, they are going to have to accept some hard truths, and cut off what makes them sin. 


I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) 

My Mom is a Conservative Evangelical Christian and was raised that way.  She was a product of the 1970's as well.  Growing up, she would not say that the worldly and sinful dating lifestyle many people have today is wrong.  Given the Bible and Ezekiel 23 and Revelations 17, there is going to be a lot of pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth when the The Man comes around. 

Yes that what I noticed. As if a woman's sins are somehow different or worse than men's. Some people still think that its ok and 'natural' for a man to 'sow his wild oats' and use women for his own sexual gratification before he seeks his virgin bride, while a woman must stay pure. Appalling. 

So your answer is that women should be free to sow their wild oats and sink down to the gutter instead of holding men up to a higher standard?  That seems asinine.  You become one flesh those you sleep with.  Christ is to man as man is to woman.  There are Evil Farmers who look to get between Christ and man and man and woman through sexual immorality.  Spirits can be passed this way.  Show me a woman in your church with a Jezebel Spirit, and I will point out to you an unrepentant sinner. 

The ugly truth about Feminism, is there are a lot of hurt woman out there.  Woman who made mistakes, and do not know real love.  Because they made mistakes, they want to promote that lifestyle to other woman, and paint it as a good thing, so that those woman are also hurt, and do not know love.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  How have you been turning men?

Sorry but none of that explains why you now think you are a levite.
Are you Jewish and either
1.
a member of the tribe of Levi.
2.
a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle.

If not then you arent a levite.

If you or any man has had sex before marriage, then you have also taken something special from your future potential wife,   and what you did is no better than a woman doing it. Fornication is a sin full stop. Its equally wrong for a man as for a woman. Sex before marriage is wrong whoever does it. To say that its worse for woman is very hypocritical to put it mildly and to claim that you or any man can be forgiven and washed clean of that sin yet a women cant, is very offensive and quite honestly appalling. The blood of Jesus washes away all sins.

Prophet Ezekiel is Son of Man.  Jesus Christ is Son of Man.  God took Ezekiel's wife.  The Son of Man is a Bridegroom looking for a Bride. 

Enoch is to Noah as Elijah is to Elisha as Jesus is to ? Given Ecclesiastes 1:9-11.

God put me through many trials.  I had an event similar to Elijah with Elisha claiming a large portion of Spirit. (2 Kings 2:9) 

I work for God full time similar to Ezekiel laying on the ground for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem.  I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

[chosenone]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense. 

Post Modern woman accepted some satanic lies.  It is 1960, and Hugh Hefner, a Psychology major, is working on producing Playboy.  He wants to live in a world where he can have three girlfriends on a rotational basis, and no one will bat an eye.  He is going to put the girl next door on the cover of his magazine, and he is going to leave little hints about how many times he slept with her, and how good she was in bed.  The psychological effects of this, and other magazines and media, over time, is that men become self-centered seekers of pleasure instead of Robin Hood with his heart on fire to save Maid Marion.  Don't get me wrong, I am more after the root of the problem, but if Christians are going to fix the Body of Christ, they are going to have to accept some hard truths, and cut off what makes them sin. 


I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) 

My Mom is a Conservative Evangelical Christian and was raised that way.  She was a product of the 1970's as well.  Growing up, she would not say that the worldly and sinful dating lifestyle many people have today is wrong.  Given the Bible and Ezekiel 23 and Revelations 17, there is going to be a lot of pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth when the The Man comes around. 

Yes that what I noticed. As if a woman's sins are somehow different or worse than men's. Some people still think that its ok and 'natural' for a man to 'sow his wild oats' and use women for his own sexual gratification before he seeks his virgin bride, while a woman must stay pure. Appalling. 

So your answer is that women should be free to sow their wild oats and sink down to the gutter instead of holding men up to a higher standard?  That seems asinine.  You become one flesh those you sleep with.  Christ is to man as man is to woman.  There are Evil Farmers who look to get between Christ and man and man and woman through sexual immorality.  Spirits can be passed this way.  Show me a woman in your church with a Jezebel Spirit, and I will point out to you an unrepentant sinner. 

The ugly truth about Feminism, is there are a lot of hurt woman out there.  Woman who made mistakes, and do not know real love.  Because they made mistakes, they want to promote that lifestyle to other woman, and paint it as a good thing, so that those woman are also hurt, and do not know love.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  How have you been turning men?

Sorry but none of that explains why you now think you are a levite.
Are you Jewish and either
1.
a member of the tribe of Levi.
2.
a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle.

If not then you arent a levite.

If you or any man has had sex before marriage, then you have also taken something special from your future potential wife,   and what you did is no better than a woman doing it. Fornication is a sin full stop. Its equally wrong for a man as for a woman. Sex before marriage is wrong whoever does it. To say that its worse for woman is very hypocritical to put it mildly and to claim that you or any man can be forgiven and washed clean of that sin yet a women cant, is very offensive and quite honestly appalling. The blood of Jesus washes away all sins.

Prophet Ezekiel is Son of Man.  Jesus Christ is Son of Man.  God took Ezekiel's wife.  The Son of Man is a Bridegroom looking for a Bride. 

Enoch is to Noah as Elijah is to Elisha as Jesus is to ? Given Ecclesiastes 1:9-11.

God put me through many trials.  I had an event similar to Elijah with Elisha claiming a large portion of Spirit. (2 Kings 2:9) 

I work for God full time similar to Ezekiel laying on the ground for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem.  I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

Well being that I am a lady very happily married to a godly man, I have not been 'turning mens heads' (whatever that means).
I am also not a feminist.


You have totally misread and misunderstood my point. No I dont believe that women (or men) should be able to have sex with who they like, I believe that sex is for marriage only, but your  attitude is similar to that I spoke about, and you seem to be insinuating that women doing this is a greater sin that men, its not. Also it can be forgiven and God forgets past sins, but it seems that you dont. If you have had a sexual past, then you have taken something very important away from your future wife, and for you to be demanding a virgin is completely hypocrtical, and to be honest if its that important to her, then she wont want a man with a sexual past anyway.

Many work full time for God, but you arent a levite unless you are a jew descended from that tribe.  Are you Jewish descended from the tribe of Levite?

[ManonFire]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense. 

Post Modern woman accepted some satanic lies.  It is 1960, and Hugh Hefner, a Psychology major, is working on producing Playboy.  He wants to live in a world where he can have three girlfriends on a rotational basis, and no one will bat an eye.  He is going to put the girl next door on the cover of his magazine, and he is going to leave little hints about how many times he slept with her, and how good she was in bed.  The psychological effects of this, and other magazines and media, over time, is that men become self-centered seekers of pleasure instead of Robin Hood with his heart on fire to save Maid Marion.  Don't get me wrong, I am more after the root of the problem, but if Christians are going to fix the Body of Christ, they are going to have to accept some hard truths, and cut off what makes them sin. 


I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) 

My Mom is a Conservative Evangelical Christian and was raised that way.  She was a product of the 1970's as well.  Growing up, she would not say that the worldly and sinful dating lifestyle many people have today is wrong.  Given the Bible and Ezekiel 23 and Revelations 17, there is going to be a lot of pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth when the The Man comes around. 

Yes that what I noticed. As if a woman's sins are somehow different or worse than men's. Some people still think that its ok and 'natural' for a man to 'sow his wild oats' and use women for his own sexual gratification before he seeks his virgin bride, while a woman must stay pure. Appalling. 

So your answer is that women should be free to sow their wild oats and sink down to the gutter instead of holding men up to a higher standard?  That seems asinine.  You become one flesh those you sleep with.  Christ is to man as man is to woman.  There are Evil Farmers who look to get between Christ and man and man and woman through sexual immorality.  Spirits can be passed this way.  Show me a woman in your church with a Jezebel Spirit, and I will point out to you an unrepentant sinner. 

The ugly truth about Feminism, is there are a lot of hurt woman out there.  Woman who made mistakes, and do not know real love.  Because they made mistakes, they want to promote that lifestyle to other woman, and paint it as a good thing, so that those woman are also hurt, and do not know love.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  How have you been turning men?

Sorry but none of that explains why you now think you are a levite.
Are you Jewish and either
1.
a member of the tribe of Levi.
2.
a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle.

If not then you arent a levite.

If you or any man has had sex before marriage, then you have also taken something special from your future potential wife,   and what you did is no better than a woman doing it. Fornication is a sin full stop. Its equally wrong for a man as for a woman. Sex before marriage is wrong whoever does it. To say that its worse for woman is very hypocritical to put it mildly and to claim that you or any man can be forgiven and washed clean of that sin yet a women cant, is very offensive and quite honestly appalling. The blood of Jesus washes away all sins.

Prophet Ezekiel is Son of Man.  Jesus Christ is Son of Man.  God took Ezekiel's wife.  The Son of Man is a Bridegroom looking for a Bride. 

Enoch is to Noah as Elijah is to Elisha as Jesus is to ? Given Ecclesiastes 1:9-11.

God put me through many trials.  I had an event similar to Elijah with Elisha claiming a large portion of Spirit. (2 Kings 2:9) 

I work for God full time similar to Ezekiel laying on the ground for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem.  I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

Well being that I am a lady very happily married to a godly man, I have not been 'turning mens heads' (whatever that means).
I am also not a feminist.


You have totally misread and misunderstood my point. No I dont believe that women (or men) should be able to have sex with who they like, I believe that sex is for marriage only, but your  attitude is similar to that I spoke about, and you seem to be insinuating that women doing this is a greater sin that men, its not. Also it can be forgiven and God forgets past sins, but it seems that you dont. If you have had a sexual past, then you have taken something very important away from your future wife, and for you to be demanding a virgin is completely hypocrtical, and to be honest if its that important to her, then she wont want a man with a sexual past anyway.

Many work full time for God, but you arent a levite unless you are a jew descended from that tribe.  Are you Jewish descended from the tribe of Levite?

Sex is a lot more than a physical act, and it means different things for men and women.  It is penetrating versus being penetrated.  A woman comes with a seal.  It is intelligent design.  Only her husband is supposed to take that seal, otherwise she may end up in a lot of hurt and sin.  I have never taken a girls virginity and left her, for that is a wicked thing. 

Sins can be forgiven, but a woman can only give her virginity once.  When she loses it, she is often viewed as free game by many men to be used.  A woman who falls into sin is often made a liar.  She lies to protect her reputation and desirability.  A man, who wanted to marry such a woman, has to make her a "Honest Woman" in that, she should have nothing to lie about in his presence. 
As I said before, for me, it is more about honor.  If I married a non-virgin, then that puts me in conflict with other men.  Where is her heart at?  Does she really love me or is she 25 and society tells her she needs to be married soon or she may end up single and 30 so she marries me because I am convenient? Does she actually have a husband in God's eyes?  Does God consider the man who took her virginity her husband?  Does he still love her?  If you give your daughters into prostitution, the whole land will turn to wickedness.  (John 4:18)

God is Love.  God rebukes and chastises those he loves.  Do not misunderstand what I am doing here. 

About being a levite....I grew up singing in Church, "Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had Father Abraham, I am one of them, and so are you."  I am not a Jew.  How could I be a Son of Abraham?  Through the Spirit of God.  Do you know what Spirit you are of? (Luke 9:55)

[chosenone]

You are correct Preston.  God is a Man of Honor. (Psalms 23:3)  He loves Glory and will lead you in the Path's of Righteousness for his Name's Sake.  For the sake of Glory and Honor.  God is a square, and his justice is perfect.  Honor is a concept that has very much disappeared in the western world.  It has a lot to do with sexual immorality. 

I am a bridegroom looking for a bride.  I wake up one day sort of like Neo out of the matrix, and suddenly learn that I am a 30 year old Levite and have to marry a virgin.  Because I am a bridegroom looking for a bride, and God dubbed me a Levite, I am suddenly tied into God's Honor.  If I was to marry a woman who had 5 other men previous to me, then that is a blow to my honor.  Five men knew my wife carnally who are not me.  What happened?  Was she not good enough for them?  Was she just being used, and allowing herself to be used, and thereby what is her worth as wife?  Who took her virginity?  If I am only going to be with one woman all my life, than that man took something precious to me. 

God calls Israel Prostitutes. (Ezekiel 23) Prostitution does not just have to be about money.  A woman may give sex for attention, popularity, security, or many other things.  Marriage during some periods of time was considered a commitment agreement, and consummation. Jesus is a priest.  He may marry someone.  (John 4:16-19) Men may wrap their hearts around certain women.  The Bible says if you give your daughters into prostitution the whole land will fall to wickedness.  (Leviticus 19:29)  Men's hearts become hardened and they forget what Love is.  They start doing wicked things to each other, and after a few generations you have Sodom. (Ezekiel 16:48-49)

Christ is to man as man is to woman.  Man is only meant to know one God.  That man learns of God's Love which is fatherly, clean, and Patriarchal; he shares it with his wife in a husband and wife sort of way.  Love is patient and kind.  A harlot is neither.

You keep tying together the word "men" with "God" "honor" and "clean", but you also tie together "women" with terms such as "harlots" "prostitutes." I'd advise any female to run as fast as possible away from you. No offense. 

Post Modern woman accepted some satanic lies.  It is 1960, and Hugh Hefner, a Psychology major, is working on producing Playboy.  He wants to live in a world where he can have three girlfriends on a rotational basis, and no one will bat an eye.  He is going to put the girl next door on the cover of his magazine, and he is going to leave little hints about how many times he slept with her, and how good she was in bed.  The psychological effects of this, and other magazines and media, over time, is that men become self-centered seekers of pleasure instead of Robin Hood with his heart on fire to save Maid Marion.  Don't get me wrong, I am more after the root of the problem, but if Christians are going to fix the Body of Christ, they are going to have to accept some hard truths, and cut off what makes them sin. 


I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) 

My Mom is a Conservative Evangelical Christian and was raised that way.  She was a product of the 1970's as well.  Growing up, she would not say that the worldly and sinful dating lifestyle many people have today is wrong.  Given the Bible and Ezekiel 23 and Revelations 17, there is going to be a lot of pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth when the The Man comes around. 

Yes that what I noticed. As if a woman's sins are somehow different or worse than men's. Some people still think that its ok and 'natural' for a man to 'sow his wild oats' and use women for his own sexual gratification before he seeks his virgin bride, while a woman must stay pure. Appalling. 

So your answer is that women should be free to sow their wild oats and sink down to the gutter instead of holding men up to a higher standard?  That seems asinine.  You become one flesh those you sleep with.  Christ is to man as man is to woman.  There are Evil Farmers who look to get between Christ and man and man and woman through sexual immorality.  Spirits can be passed this way.  Show me a woman in your church with a Jezebel Spirit, and I will point out to you an unrepentant sinner. 

The ugly truth about Feminism, is there are a lot of hurt woman out there.  Woman who made mistakes, and do not know real love.  Because they made mistakes, they want to promote that lifestyle to other woman, and paint it as a good thing, so that those woman are also hurt, and do not know love.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  How have you been turning men?

Sorry but none of that explains why you now think you are a levite.
Are you Jewish and either
1.
a member of the tribe of Levi.
2.
a descendant of Levi, especially one appointed to assist the priests in the temple or tabernacle.

If not then you arent a levite.

If you or any man has had sex before marriage, then you have also taken something special from your future potential wife,   and what you did is no better than a woman doing it. Fornication is a sin full stop. Its equally wrong for a man as for a woman. Sex before marriage is wrong whoever does it. To say that its worse for woman is very hypocritical to put it mildly and to claim that you or any man can be forgiven and washed clean of that sin yet a women cant, is very offensive and quite honestly appalling. The blood of Jesus washes away all sins.

Prophet Ezekiel is Son of Man.  Jesus Christ is Son of Man.  God took Ezekiel's wife.  The Son of Man is a Bridegroom looking for a Bride. 

Enoch is to Noah as Elijah is to Elisha as Jesus is to ? Given Ecclesiastes 1:9-11.

God put me through many trials.  I had an event similar to Elijah with Elisha claiming a large portion of Spirit. (2 Kings 2:9) 

I work for God full time similar to Ezekiel laying on the ground for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem.  I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

Well being that I am a lady very happily married to a godly man, I have not been 'turning mens heads' (whatever that means).
I am also not a feminist.


You have totally misread and misunderstood my point. No I dont believe that women (or men) should be able to have sex with who they like, I believe that sex is for marriage only, but your  attitude is similar to that I spoke about, and you seem to be insinuating that women doing this is a greater sin that men, its not. Also it can be forgiven and God forgets past sins, but it seems that you dont. If you have had a sexual past, then you have taken something very important away from your future wife, and for you to be demanding a virgin is completely hypocrtical, and to be honest if its that important to her, then she wont want a man with a sexual past anyway.

Many work full time for God, but you arent a levite unless you are a jew descended from that tribe.  Are you Jewish descended from the tribe of Levite?

Sex is a lot more than a physical act, and it means different things for men and women.  It is penetrating versus being penetrated.  A woman comes with a seal.  It is intelligent design.  Only her husband is supposed to take that seal, otherwise she may end up in a lot of hurt and sin.  I have never taken a girls virginity and left her, for that is a wicked thing. 

Sins can be forgiven, but a woman can only give her virginity once.  When she loses it, she is often viewed as free game by many men to be used.  A woman who falls into sin is often made a liar.  She lies to protect her reputation and desirability.  A man, who wanted to marry such a woman, has to make her a "Honest Woman" in that, she should have nothing to lie about in his presence. 
As I said before, for me, it is more about honor.  If I married a non-virgin, then that puts me in conflict with other men.  Where is her heart at?  Does she really love me or is she 25 and society tells her she needs to be married soon or she may end up single and 30 so she marries me because I am convenient? Does she actually have a husband in God's eyes?  Does God consider the man who took her virginity her husband?  Does he still love her?  If you give your daughters into prostitution, the whole land will turn to wickedness.  (John 4:18)

God is Love.  God rebukes and chastises those he loves.  Do not misunderstand what I am doing here. 

About being a levite....I grew up singing in Church, "Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had Father Abraham, I am one of them, and so are you."  I am not a Jew.  How could I be a Son of Abraham?  Through the Spirit of God.  Do you know what Spirit you are of? (Luke 9:55)

You may be Gods son but you are not a Levite. Not unless you are descended from the tribe of levites.

Sorry but if you have had sex with many women you are just as guilty as a woman who has done the same. You have both committed fornication. As for this 'leaving you in conflict with other men', why?? As for is she married to the other men she had sex with, are you married to the women you had sex with? If not then neither is she. The sin of fornication is sex before marriage, if we were married to the people we first had sex with then there would not be a sin of fornication.

Sorry but this is blatant hypocrisy. To you men can have sex with many women and be forgiven and expect to marry a virgin, but women cant? Wow how arrogant

I read a story recently of a pastor who God led to marry a former prostitute, now that man understands Gods forgiveness and amazing grace. He understands that we are made new creations when we come to Him, the old has passed and the new has come. 

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.   


Also it doesnt mean different things for men and women.

[mommydi]

Sorry but this is blatant hypocrisy. To you men can have sex with many women and be forgiven and expect to marry a virgin, but women cant? Wow how arrogant

Sounds like he's saying God's grace will cover his sexual sins and make him clean again, but as for women, once a "harlot" always a "harlot" and not fit to be his bride.

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.

Excellent point.

[MeMyself]

Sins can be forgiven, but a woman can only give her virginity once. 

How many times can a man lose his?

When she loses it, she is often viewed as free game by many men to be used.  A woman who falls into sin is often made a liar.  She lies to protect her reputation and desirability.  A man, who wanted to marry such a woman, has to make her a "Honest Woman" in that, she should have nothing to lie about in his presence.

  As if a woman's purity is more importance than a mans?  What in the world???

As I said before, for me, it is more about honor.  If I married a non-virgin, then that puts me in conflict with other men.  Where is her heart at?  Does she really love me or is she 25 and society tells her she needs to be married soon or she may end up single and 30 so she marries me because I am convenient? Does she actually have a husband in God's eyes?  Does God consider the man who took her virginity her husband?  Does he still love her?  If you give your daughters into prostitution, the whole land will turn to wickedness.  (John 4:18)

I know women who have expressed similar fears about their husbands who look at porn, or oogle other women or that have stepped out on them and had affairs.

[MeMyself]

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.

Excellent point.

[chosenone]

Sorry but this is blatant hypocrisy. To you men can have sex with many women and be forgiven and expect to marry a virgin, but women cant? Wow how arrogant

Sounds like he's saying God's grace will cover his sexual sins and make him clean again, but as for women, once a "harlot" always a "harlot" and not fit to be his bride.

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.

Excellent point.

Yes and those 'harlots' probably led the poor weak man into sexual sin, thus taking his 'honour'. 

[mommydi]

Yes and those 'harlots' probably led the poor weak man into sexual sin, thus taking his 'honour'. 

See? That's how he's coming across, isn't it?? Men are victims of harlots and can be seduced into sex with them, but a virgin girl can make him honorable and clean again. Depending on a virgin to validate his own honor leaves him in a mess once she is no longer a virgin.
I know there are men (narcissists) who feel this way, and I don't know this man, at all, but I do know that men who feel this way often reject their wives sexually after marriage because their wife suddenly becomes unclean after he deflowers her. The Madonna-Whore Complex.

[MeMyself]

Yes and those 'harlots' probably led the poor weak man into sexual sin, thus taking his 'honour'. 

See? That's how he's coming across, isn't it?? Men are victims of harlots and can be seduced into sex with them,

Any man who plays the victim isn't much of a man IMO.

It is HIS choice to enter into sin, no matter how enticing and is without excuse, since no temptation has over come them, but God has provided a way of escape.

I know a woman whose husband has this mentality, and so he is justified in his oogling.  He didn't go looking for it, that completely strange women presented her body...he can't help himself. UGH.

[mommydi]

Any man who plays the victim isn't much of a man IMO.

It is HIS choice to enter into sin, no matter how enticing and is without excuse, since no temptation has over come them, but God has provided a way of escape.

I know a woman whose husband has this mentality, and so he is justified in his oogling.  He didn't go looking for it, that completely strange women presented her body...he can't help himself. UGH.

A few days ago, somewhere here at Grace Centered, we discussed men who wouldn't take responsibility for their sexual sin and placing the blame on the woman. Playing the victim. I can't remember exactly which thread this was in, but I do remember us discussing it.

[Texas Conservative]

Keep feeding the troll.   

[mommydi]

Keep feeding the troll.   

But it gives us something to do!! 

Besides, I know some people who espouse some of the same bizarre ideas. 

[ManonFire]

Sorry but if you have had sex with many women you are just as guilty as a woman who has done the same. You have both committed fornication. As for this 'leaving you in conflict with other men', why?? As for is she married to the other men she had sex with, are you married to the women you had sex with? If not then neither is she. The sin of fornication is sex before marriage, if we were married to the people we first had sex with then there would not be a sin of fornication.

As I said, I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  During summer 2014, I went back through my past and tried to marry a half dozen women or so.  God showed me the ugly truth about some of these women in an Ezekiel 8 type of way, or I learned about what was really in their hearts.  I had come a long way in faith.  All I wanted was one woman to meet me halfway.  To cross the road with me.  What I found is that the very act of asking some of these women to marry me revealed their true selves.  Some had sin and guilt on their hearts, and they did not believe they deserved marriage.  They were unrepentant, and did not wish to repent from their sinful lifestyles.  Many of them were church goers.  They accept the water and cleansing of their pastors, but did not have that wine and fear of God. 

Jesus is a priest and he sees everything.  Marriage at one time did not need a priest.  It was a commitment plus consummation.  A man takes a woman's virginity.  God considers them married because of the way in which it was done.  He dumps her, or she runs off.  They are now in fornication and sin, and there may be a lot more heartache and pain to come. 

Sorry but this is blatant hypocrisy. To you men can have sex with many women and be forgiven and expect to marry a virgin, but women cant? Wow how arrogant

Women can be forgiven.  I never said they could not be.  I see a non-virgin and never married woman on the street, than her sins are between her and God.  I have a calling and I have to marry a virgin.  She made a choice. 

Why you are you arguing for female promiscuity?  You have no basis for any argument here. 

A 15 year old young man has a crush on a 15 year old girl.  He is still maturing, and doesn't quite know who he is yet.  He needs to have a plan, and figure out what his future is going to look like before he starts dating.  That 15 year old girl starts dating.  She allows herself to be passed around from boyfriend to boyfriend like some sort of play thing.  15 year old young man is on a basketball road trip, and he has to listen to the stories.  What does that young man do?  Does he get in line, or does he move on?  What does that type of thing do to his psychology and view of girls? 

Version 1: Robin Hood comes back from the crusades.  He has a fire in his Heart to save Maid Marion.  Version 2: Robin Hood comes back from the crusades.  He finds Maid Marion got it on with Prince John and the Marry Men.  He gets drunk with Friar Tuck for six months and goes back to the Crusades. 

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.   

Hosea marrying a prostitute was not about God's Grace and forgiveness.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the Prophets.  (Amos 3:7)  Hosea marrying a prostitute was similar to but different than, Ezekiel laying on his side for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem, Isaiah walking naked through the streets of Jerusalem to show Judea how they would be leaving their city, and Jeremiah walking around with an Ox Yoke around his neck.  Go read the Hosea Chapter 1.  It is similar to Ezekiel 23. 

  As if a woman's purity is more importance than a mans?  What in the world???

The fact that she bleeds when someone takes her virginity has supernatural and spiritual mean.  Heaven and Hell are mirrors.  Sin is covered by blood. 

[chosenone]

Keep feeding the troll.   

I dont believe he is a troll, I really think he actually believes this stuff. 

[MeMyself]

  A man takes a woman's virginity.

A man's virginity is able to be lost as well. BOTH should be considered precious. 

A 15 year old young man has a crush on a 15 year old girl.  He is still maturing, and doesn't quite know who he is yet.  He needs to have a plan, and figure out what his future is going to look like before he starts dating.  That 15 year old girl starts dating.  She allows herself to be passed around from boyfriend to boyfriend like some sort of play thing.  15 year old young man is on a basketball road trip, and he has to listen to the stories.  What does that young man do?  Does he get in line, or does he move on?  What does that type of thing do to his psychology and view of girls? 

Of course he should move on..and he should also stop listening to the ugly gossip about the girl! He is as much at fault for listening as those are at spreading the stories.  Put on earphones and tune it all out.

Hosea marrying a prostitute was not about God's Grace and forgiveness. 

How sad that you can't see what is so plainly there.

The fact that she bleeds when someone takes her virginity has supernatural and spiritual mean.  Heaven and Hell are mirrors.  Sin is covered by blood.

Oh.my.gosh!  That is just insane. Sorry.  Words fail me. 

[ManonFire]

A few days ago, somewhere here at Grace Centered, we discussed men who wouldn't take responsibility for their sexual sin and placing the blame on the woman. Playing the victim. I can't remember exactly which thread this was in, but I do remember us discussing it.

The point of this thread is: Is a Woman's sexual sins a sin against her husband?  The answer is yes.  What many women do is finger point, and say that if men are acting badly, then why can't women?  That is a losing argument, and can get you in trouble with God.  You should know better.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  Team effort.  Women behaving badly makes men behave worse.  Many feel they are losing out on something or it becomes a competition for, not just women, but sex.  There become haves and have nots.  The playing field isn't equal, there are no rules, there is no honor, and wickedness happens.  People do horrible things to each other, and many women end up single mothers, and possibly having multiple children from multiple men. 

Christian people value virgin wives.  That is historical.  There is good reason for it that is all biblical backed.  If you are of a different mind, than you have accepted Satanic Lies. 

I suffered for all my sins.  I had to atone for them.  That is what men do.  I am free from sin.  I know the price I had to pay.  I fear God.  I was of the World, I learned how wrong was, and know I know God's Love.  God has a Rod and a Staff.  A Rod of Misery he might hit you with when you walk off the right path, and a staff leading to Joy and his Kingdom.  He rebukes and chastises those he loves.  I learned to Joyfully Endure my trials and gained Patience and Faith. 

[chosenone]

Sorry but if you have had sex with many women you are just as guilty as a woman who has done the same. You have both committed fornication. As for this 'leaving you in conflict with other men', why?? As for is she married to the other men she had sex with, are you married to the women you had sex with? If not then neither is she. The sin of fornication is sex before marriage, if we were married to the people we first had sex with then there would not be a sin of fornication.

As I said, I am a Bridegroom looking for a Bride.  During summer 2014, I went back through my past and tried to marry a half dozen women or so.  God showed me the ugly truth about some of these women in an Ezekiel 8 type of way, or I learned about what was really in their hearts.  I had come a long way in faith.  All I wanted was one woman to meet me halfway.  To cross the road with me.  What I found is that the very act of asking some of these women to marry me revealed their true selves.  Some had sin and guilt on their hearts, and they did not believe they deserved marriage.  They were unrepentant, and did not wish to repent from their sinful lifestyles.  Many of them were church goers.  They accept the water and cleansing of their pastors, but did not have that wine and fear of God. 

Jesus is a priest and he sees everything.  Marriage at one time did not need a priest.  It was a commitment plus consummation.  A man takes a woman's virginity.  God considers them married because of the way in which it was done.  He dumps her, or she runs off.  They are now in fornication and sin, and there may be a lot more heartache and pain to come. 

Sorry but this is blatant hypocrisy. To you men can have sex with many women and be forgiven and expect to marry a virgin, but women cant? Wow how arrogant

Women can be forgiven.  I never said they could not be.  I see a non-virgin and never married woman on the street, than her sins are between her and God.  I have a calling and I have to marry a virgin.  She made a choice. 

Why you are you arguing for female promiscuity?  You have no basis for any argument here. 

A 15 year old young man has a crush on a 15 year old girl.  He is still maturing, and doesn't quite know who he is yet.  He needs to have a plan, and figure out what his future is going to look like before he starts dating.  That 15 year old girl starts dating.  She allows herself to be passed around from boyfriend to boyfriend like some sort of play thing.  15 year old young man is on a basketball road trip, and he has to listen to the stories.  What does that young man do?  Does he get in line, or does he move on?  What does that type of thing do to his psychology and view of girls? 

Version 1: Robin Hood comes back from the crusades.  He has a fire in his Heart to save Maid Marion.  Version 2: Robin Hood comes back from the crusades.  He finds Maid Marion got it on with Prince John and the Marry Men.  He gets drunk with Friar Tuck for six months and goes back to the Crusades. 

Maybe read the story of Hosea. God told him to take her back after her adulteries.   

Hosea marrying a prostitute was not about God's Grace and forgiveness.  God does nothing on Earth without first telling his servants the Prophets.  (Amos 3:7)  Hosea marrying a prostitute was similar to but different than, Ezekiel laying on his side for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem, Isaiah walking naked through the streets of Jerusalem to show Judea how they would be leaving their city, and Jeremiah walking around with an Ox Yoke around his neck.  Go read the Hosea Chapter 1.  It is similar to Ezekiel 23. 

  As if a woman's purity is more importance than a mans?  What in the world???

The fact that she bleeds when someone takes her virginity has supernatural and spiritual mean.  Heaven and Hell are mirrors.  Sin is covered by blood.

Good grief, this just gets better and better, so it was THEIR fault that they didnt want to marry a man who has had  a casual sexual relationship with them, as well as with several other women, because they were 'unrepentant?'Maybe they just didnt like you enough and didnt see you as a future husband.

No sex doesnt make you married, Paul clearly tells those who are struggling with sexual desire to GET MARRIED. Where did he says to merely have sex? Fornication is the sin of sex before marriage which proves that you are NOT married just by having sex. 

Um please tell me where I am arguing for female promiscuity?  I have already told you that I believe sex is for marriage only. However women can be forgiven just as men can, thats what The bible says. 

Whatever your calling is, its not to be a levite UNLESS you are a Jew descended form the tribe of Levites. Sorry but you cant expect to find a virgin when you have slept around yourself and being that you are a normal person just like the rest of us, then you are free to marry a lady who has had sex and been forgiven, just as you have.   

Tell me do you have a church where you go to get teaching? If so what do they say about you thinking you are a levite? About these very sexist beliefs? 

[chosenone]

A few days ago, somewhere here at Grace Centered, we discussed men who wouldn't take responsibility for their sexual sin and placing the blame on the woman. Playing the victim. I can't remember exactly which thread this was in, but I do remember us discussing it.

The point of this thread is: Is a Woman's sexual sins a sin against her husband?  The answer is yes.  What many women do is finger point, and say that if men are acting badly, then why can't women?  That is a losing argument, and can get you in trouble with God.  You should know better.  Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  Team effort.  Women behaving badly makes men behave worse.  Many feel they are losing out on something or it becomes a competition for, not just women, but sex.  There become haves and have nots.  The playing field isn't equal, there are no rules, there is no honor, and wickedness happens.  People do horrible things to each other, and many women end up single mothers, and possibly having multiple children from multiple men. 

Christian people value virgin wives.  That is historical.  There is good reason for it that is all biblical backed.  If you are of a different mind, than you have accepted Satanic Lies. 

I suffered for all my sins.  I had to atone for them.  That is what men do.  I am free from sin.  I know the price I had to pay.  I fear God.  I was of the World, I learned how wrong was, and know I know God's Love.  God has a Rod and a Staff.  I Rod of Misery he might hit you with when you walk off the right path, and a staff leading to Joy and his Kingdom.  He rebukes and chastises those he loves.

No one here will say that if men can act badly then so can women. Neither should have sex before marriage.
If a women is sinning against her future husband by havings sex with other men, then you have done the same to your future wife if you ever have one. Thats what is so hypocritical. You a man who has had sex with 6 women, are demanding a woman who hasnt had sex with anyone because you claim you are a levite,therefore you cant possible marry a lady who has has sex but been forgiven like you have.
Talk about double standards.   

[MeMyself]

The point of this thread is: Is a Woman's sexual sins a sin against her husband?  The answer is yes. 

If that is true, than a man who has sexual sin prior to marriage, it is a sin against his wife.

What many women do is finger point, and say that if men are acting badly, then why can't women?

Nope.  What is happening is you are being called out for your hypocrisy that offers men grace and women condemnation.

BOTH genders struggle against sexual sin and those that fall to that temptation are equally guilty, and can equally be redeemed.

That is a losing argument, and can get you in trouble with God.  You should know better. 

So should you.

Man is the head, woman the neck turning the head.  Team effort.  Women behaving badly makes men behave worse. 

Then, if that is true, then men aren't much of a leader are they?  If this is true, they are just little boys being driven by their emotion and aren't worthy of the leadership God grants them. Fortunately, that is not the case with many men. They know the buck stops with them, what they are responsible for and they act like grown men who take responsibility and set boundaries for their own behaviors.

[mommydi]

 Manonfire, if you would please google "narcissism" and read all about it, I'm sure you won't see yourself there. 

[chosenone]

So you blame mens behaviour on the fact that women are behaving badly??? What weak men they must be to let a few women lead them astray. I would suggest that men are equally wrong and responsible for behaving badly. We should each take responsibility for our own sins and never blame others. Remember that not so long ago far far more married men cheated on their wives than women on their husbands. So I would say that they led the way as far as adultery was concerned at least.