Virgin Mary....Church Fathers

[MeMyself]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

That makes no sense.  This man caused Jesus to wonder to stand in awe and we just ignore that?  If we are to exalt Mary for carrying Him, why wouldn't we exalt a person that made Him stand back and say "WOW!" ?

Also, God is not a respecter of persons, and does not show favoritism so what would His feelings be that you wish to exalt Mary for simply obeying Him? Millions do it every day.

[chosenone]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

[wincam]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

[MeMyself]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

oh.my.gosh!

Mary had the right heart, she was obedient and loved God.

SHE DID NOT TURN HIM INTO MAN!!!!  You ascribe to HER what GOD did! 

HER BLOOD redeemed us?! You are GREATLY deceived, Wincam...I am so very sorry. 

[Texas Conservative]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

God did it bud.

[wincam]

you mean like He does everything else and we are busy doing nothing - wincam

[MeMyself]

you mean like He does everything else and we are busy doing nothing - wincam

What are you talking about?

the glory is HIS, not Marys! She couldn't draw breath without God.  You need to stop.

[Fascinated_By_Mysteries]

Romans 1:3King James Version (KJV)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

[chosenone]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

You really are hung up on this arent you. Its ONLY the blood of Jesus that saves us. 
It was God who performed the miracle not her, she incubated Jesus in her womb.
If she had said no then God would have chosen another young woman. 

[wincam]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

[MeMyself]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

[skeeter]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

you need to re-read what you posted - slowly and very carefully.  This is what comes from idolatry.  Some say it's 'harmless' to pray to other people (dead or alive)  Harmless?  Not by a long shot!

Mary (a human) performed no miracle(s). 

She did NOT turn God into man. 

She did NOT provide Him with  her blood.  The blood of the child comes from the father, not the mother.  In this case,  the Father.

You need to stop crediting a human for that which God has done.

Mary had no special powers or abilities.  She was a young girl who loved the Lord and accepted His mission for her life.

'this is and is not in the Bible' - this speaks volumes.  You have no idea what is in the Bible and what is not in it. 

[kensington]

This is and is not in the Bible.. 
   
I'm starting to realize that this statement pretty much sums up most of what you say....  Well, half of it any way... the part where you said... "This is not in the bible".  Your theology is a mess.   

[skeeter]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

why do you post these weird comments?  if there's a question where is the '?' ?

can you post a sentence with a complete thought?

[Alan]

This is and is not in the Bible.. 
   
I'm starting to realize that this statement pretty much sums up most of what you say....  Well, half of it any way... the part where you said... "This is not in the bible".  Your theology is a mess.   

I think he's making ill attempts at creating a basis for biblical truth, partly from church tradition and partly from attempts at baiting people into confessing what they believe may not be directly written in the scriptures; if we believe anything aside from what is written in black and white, then we can also believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. 

[wincam]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

you need to re-read what you posted - slowly and very carefully.  This is what comes from idolatry.  Some say it's 'harmless' to pray to other people (dead or alive)  Harmless?  Not by a long shot!

Mary (a human) performed no miracle(s). 

She did NOT turn God into man. 

She did NOT provide Him with  her blood.  The blood of the child comes from the father, not the mother.  In this case,  the Father.

You need to stop crediting a human for that which God has done.

Mary had no special powers or abilities.  She was a young girl who loved the Lord and accepted His mission for her life.

'this is and is not in the Bible' - this speaks volumes.  You have no idea what is in the Bible and what is not in it.

nonsense - you have no idea what is really in the bible except what flesh and blood reveals to you - Jesus had no human father with human blood even though some say Mary lied when she said "thy father and I have sought Thee sorrowing" - wincam

[wincam]

that is because you do not understand the "is and is not" especially since your theology appears to be based on sola scripture alone and not so much on sola scripture but purporting to support it but really not and only when it suits - so there you go  - don't run away for it is well known that some who have come to mock and sneer and jeer have stayed on to pray "Holy Mary/mother of God" - wincam

[chosenone]

simply because he was not the mother of Jesus obviously - wincam

All that you claim is entirely unbiblical as usual.  No where does God say that Mary is more blessed that others in the Bible who were chosen by God for special purposes.

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

Sorry, but
'The fetus and the mother do not share the same blood supply. They each have their own blood supply. In the placenta nutrients & oxygen leave the mother's blood supply and enter the the baby's blood but they are kept separate the entire time. The baby gets its blood by making it just like it makes any other organ. Instructions for making its blood (and all other body parts and organs) are encoded in its DNA. Because its DNA comes from both parents it is entire possible for a baby to a different blood type than its mother'.

[wincam]

not at all - the only Dna passed on were female XX chromosomes - wincam

[MeMyself]

not at all - the only Dna passed on were female XX chromosomes - wincam

Where do you get this information?

[skeeter]

Mary performed the greatest miracle of all time she turned God into man and provided Him with her blood by which we are redeemed - this is and is not in the Bible - wincam

you need to re-read what you posted - slowly and very carefully.  This is what comes from idolatry.  Some say it's 'harmless' to pray to other people (dead or alive)  Harmless?  Not by a long shot!

Mary (a human) performed no miracle(s). 

She did NOT turn God into man. 

She did NOT provide Him with  her blood.  The blood of the child comes from the father, not the mother.  In this case,  the Father.

You need to stop crediting a human for that which God has done.

Mary had no special powers or abilities.  She was a young girl who loved the Lord and accepted His mission for her life.

'this is and is not in the Bible' - this speaks volumes.  You have no idea what is in the Bible and what is not in it.

nonsense - you have no idea what is really in the bible except what flesh and blood reveals to you - Jesus had no human father with human blood even though some say Mary lied when she said "thy father and I have sought Thee sorrowing" - wincam

no, you post nonsense.

Did Adam have blood? Eve?  where did that come from?

[wincam]

This is and is not in the Bible.. 
   
I'm starting to realize that this statement pretty much sums up most of what you say....  Well, half of it any way... the part where you said... "This is not in the bible".  Your theology is a mess.   

of course it is in fact your theology that is in a mess as it is based on sola scripture and most denominations do not even accept what sola scripture is and says - wincam

[Texas Conservative]

Were Mary's other children also by virgin birth?

[wincam]

Were Mary's other children also by virgin birth?

Mary did not have other children - this is neither in the Bible or Tradition but only in the imagination of some - wincam

[wincam]

unlike Jesus, Adam did not have a human mother and no did Eve - this you should have known as it is in the Bible - wincam

[MeMyself]

unlike Jesus, Adam did not have a human mother and no did Eve - this you should have known as it is in the Bible - wincam

And you should have known that everyone knew this...

What in the world does this have to do with ANYTHING?!

[wincam]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

she certainly was the only virgin that conceived without knowing man at least until quite recently and the only virgin that conceived Jesus Christ - wincam

[MeMyself]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

she certainly was the only virgin that conceived without knowing man at least until quite recently and the only virgin that conceived Jesus Christ - wincam

So? Had she told God no, He would have found another with a heart like hers.  What is special about the story is her willingness to obey, no matter what.  That's it though.  I believe she would be MORTIFIED to know that people were putting her in an elevated status. She was a humble girl, who did not seek attention, accolade or praise.

[MeMyself]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

she certainly was the only virgin that conceived without knowing man at least until quite recently and the only virgin that conceived Jesus Christ - wincam

And what the heck is "until quite recently" supposed to mean?

[wincam]

hope I haven't got it wrong but now it seems it is possible to conceive without having sex - wincam

[MeMyself]

hope I haven't got it wrong but now it seems it is possible to conceive without having sex - wincam

Due to science, I guess.  God isn't going to repeat the deal though.  Jesus is His only begotten Son.

[Alan]

hope I haven't got it wrong but now it seems it is possible to conceive without having sex - wincam

Ah yes, science, but that has no place in this equation.

[wincam]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

she certainly was the only virgin that conceived without knowing man at least until quite recently and the only virgin that conceived Jesus Christ - wincam

So? Had she told God no, He would have found another with a heart like hers.  What is special about the story is her willingness to obey, no matter what.  That's it though.  I believe she would be MORTIFIED to know that people were putting her in an elevated status. She was a humble girl, who did not seek attention, accolade or praise.

maybe not for her sake but for God sake "henceforth all shall call me blessed" except Protestants of course - wincam

[MeMyself]

not just another woman but a virgin - so why a virgin - wincam

She wasnt the only virgin, you know?

she certainly was the only virgin that conceived without knowing man at least until quite recently and the only virgin that conceived Jesus Christ - wincam

So? Had she told God no, He would have found another with a heart like hers.  What is special about the story is her willingness to obey, no matter what.  That's it though.  I believe she would be MORTIFIED to know that people were putting her in an elevated status. She was a humble girl, who did not seek attention, accolade or praise.

maybe not for her sake but for God sake "henceforth all shall call me blessed" except Protestants of course - wincam

You act like it was some romantic magical encounter for her. It wasn't! She was afraid! 

I think she was very blessed that God chose her..just like I am blessed to be chosen by Him to be the mother of my children.  All mothers and fathers are blessed.

[LexKnight]

It's not that Non-Catholics don't consider her blessed, we just don't make her into an idol like the Roman Church does.