where is the just outradge for pedipiles

[mclees8]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

[mclees8]

I would like to share a story this morning that came from my daily bread devotion. I wrote the posted thread last night as you can see the time posted. I never read ahead in my devotions because God often speaks to me personally through lessons as if he fit them there just for that moment needed. Really! more times than I can count. So I never saw this lesson before this morning.

Now the writer was taking a story from a book that had been wrote called "The Curates awakening" a 19th century book. about a perish priest who discovers that he was speaking for a God he was not even sure he believed in. wow. Is this not true more times than we think. Not just Catholic but Protestant as well. What about parishioners? Was not God showing me this morning that my feelings were absolutely true.  We need to awake to the reality of God. Many go to seminary's with the idea of a vocation rather than having experienced the God that says you must be born again.  Born again! of course I have experience the living God. I'm a Christian. I was a choir boy.  I do all the things Christians do. So I smoke pot some times What's the big deal? So I take Johnny in the back room some times. No harm done. Whats all the fuse. Some people take God to seriously.  We should be able to have some fun  once and a while. Right?

[Ladonia]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

Memo to Mcclees: The Catholic Church has come clean about the pedophile scandal. It has issued apology after apology, paid compensation to the victims and offered counseling. New steps have be instituted to prevent and deal quickly with any further accusations or actual abuse. Get off it already and it 's time to stop beating this dead horse. I say it's time we investigate all the other sexual sins that infect the universal body of Christ that occurs OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church for once. Wouldn't you agree?

[mclees8]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

Memo to Mcclees: The Catholic Church has come clean about the pedophile scandal. It has issued apology after apology, paid compensation to the victims and offered counseling. New steps have be instituted to prevent and deal quickly with any further accusations or actual abuse. Get off it already and it 's time to stop beating this dead horse. I say it's time we investigate all the other sexual sins that infect the universal body of Christ that occurs OUTSIDE of the Catholic Church for once. Wouldn't you agree?

The Catholic priest were not central to the message You need to real it with open eyes and ears.  I will get back to make it clear. 

June 26, 2015

Gay Marriage Around the World


A growing number of governments around the world are considering whether to grant legal recognition to same-sex marriages. Nearly two dozen countries currently have national laws allowing gays and lesbians to marry, mostly in Europe and the Americas. In Mexico, some jurisdictions allow same-sex couples to wed, while others do not.

I will help you to do the math on this . So goes America so goes the world

Same sex marriage equals a pedophile world.    Now how do you deal with pedophile sin when Gays are adopting children.  Can you see the future now. If God judged Sodom and Gomorra when it gave green light to gay perversion how much longer will it be or should I say how much closer to the end of days are we. What is worse the pope skirted around the issue knowing full well the Catholic justices that claim to be of the faith made all this possible   This ring the bells yet

[kensington]

The Pope embraced Kim Davis and told her to "Remain Strong" but it ANGERED people against him, and so the Vatican distanced themselves from her in a statement claiming it was just an embrace, she was just someone in line.

They spoke as true cowards once "the people"... including Catholics went against what he had done. Truly sad day in the Catholic church who had a chance to really be a witness in the eyes of the world. To stand together with another believer and the word of God.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of what the Vatican reps did?  He may be the Pope of the Church, but they are truly the power behind the throne.  Nothing is more evident in this situation than that.

[mclees8]

The Pope embraced Kim Davis and told her to "Remain Strong" but it ANGERED people against him, and so the Vatican distanced themselves from her in a statement claiming it was just an embrace, she was just someone in line.

They spoke as true cowards once "the people"... including Catholics went against what he had done. Truly sad day in the Catholic church who had a chance to really be a witness in the eyes of the world. To stand together with another believer and the word of God.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of what the Vatican reps did?  He may be the Pope of the Church, but they are truly the power behind the throne.  Nothing is more evident in this situation than that.

Let me share something from Isaiah that was in my devotion lesson. We all Know Isaiah 6. I related with it today. He felt unworthy to do Gods will but God forgave his sins and Isaiah who heart was after God then said I will go for you. God said to him this

Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. 11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterlye desolate, 12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.  Is 6:9-12

[skeeter]

The Pope embraced Kim Davis and told her to "Remain Strong" but it ANGERED people against him, and so the Vatican distanced themselves from her in a statement claiming it was just an embrace, she was just someone in line.

They spoke as true cowards once "the people"... including Catholics went against what he had done. Truly sad day in the Catholic church who had a chance to really be a witness in the eyes of the world. To stand together with another believer and the word of God.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of what the Vatican reps did?  He may be the Pope of the Church, but they are truly the power behind the throne.  Nothing is more evident in this situation than that.

They're more concerned with their PR than spreading the word of God - or upholding it.

[skeeter]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

looking to the pope for a moral guide is a waste of time.  He's into waving, smiling, talking to kids and 'blessing' people. 
I agree on the steep downslide of our country.  From those I know, I find most Catholics are democrats - so they're voting for liberal agendas,  not good morals.

Our times seem to be fitting in nicely with scripture on the end times.  What is good, people are now calling bad.  What is bad they are now calling  good.

[skeeter]

dupl post

[RB]

looking to the pope for a moral guide is a waste of time.  He's into waving, smiling, talking to kids and 'blessing' people.  I agree on the steep downslide of our country.  From those I know, I find most Catholics are democrats - so they're voting for liberal agendas,  not good morals. Our times seem to be fitting in nicely with scripture on the end times.  What is good, people are now calling bad.  What is bad they are now calling  good.

Agreed~Did you get trigger happy? 

[Catholica]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

I don't know how people are supposed to respond to these rambling rants.   

[skeeter]

looking to the pope for a moral guide is a waste of time.  He's into waving, smiling, talking to kids and 'blessing' people.  I agree on the steep downslide of our country.  From those I know, I find most Catholics are democrats - so they're voting for liberal agendas,  not good morals. Our times seem to be fitting in nicely with scripture on the end times.  What is good, people are now calling bad.  What is bad they are now calling  good.

Agreed~Did you get trigger happy? 

ha! seems I did - actually I was having trouble posting. I tried hitting 'post' several times and it didn't 'take', so I redid it. Luckily (I thought) for my fingers I'd saved what I typed.  I deleted one so some don't read both and go have their eyes checked...

[mclees8]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

I don't know how people are supposed to respond to these rambling rants.   

You don't have to. Its a message and declaration. Perhaps you will like for your children to blend and play with those who have no moral fiber left in them. This is your future world. Mabe you would pay your respects to fellow Justices and give them a big  hug and hand shake.  It is to you I scratch my head

[mclees8]

I am one who sees things way down the line. Could a devout Catholic yet not of the spirit vote on a rule of law that goes against Gods word without consideration for future generations and fallout of such decisions.  Can we live in such a society? We have been outraged by pedophile priests and how the church tried to hide the sins by just putting the priests in other parishes. We have despised pedophiles as an evil blight and made it unlawful to live within so many blocks of a school yet there is not any outrage about gay marriage which is going to pave the way for adoptions so Mr. and Mr. or misses and misses can have kids and raise them up. Their kids will go to school and have relations with no moral guides so our future society will be As Sodom and Gomorrah. Kim Davis went to see the pope but got little serious attention.  Most of the world and a large amount of the Catholic Church look to the pope for a moral guide. If we are concerned about what is moral to day and have no respect for what Gods word says are they prepared to live with the consequences of the laws made by Catholic justices.  Did the pope sidestep the issue for political reasons.
I can't help but have  a deep feeling of horror about a future where there is no moral standard. Yet we still choose to follow the pope who says he believes in the traditional marriage of man and women, but has no stern warning for the future of our Children in a pedophile world.
God see's and that day will bring true  justice for the political church and our governments

looking to the pope for a moral guide is a waste of time.  He's into waving, smiling, talking to kids and 'blessing' people. 
I agree on the steep downslide of our country.  From those I know, I find most Catholics are democrats - so they're voting for liberal agendas,  not good morals.

Our times seem to be fitting in nicely with scripture on the end times.  What is good, people are now calling bad.  What is bad they are now calling  good.

You have that right.  Skeeter

[Lambs Servant]

The Pope embraced Kim Davis and told her to "Remain Strong" but it ANGERED people against him, and so the Vatican distanced themselves from her in a statement claiming it was just an embrace, she was just someone in line.

They spoke as true cowards once "the people"... including Catholics went against what he had done. Truly sad day in the Catholic church who had a chance to really be a witness in the eyes of the world. To stand together with another believer and the word of God.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of what the Vatican reps did?  He may be the Pope of the Church, but they are truly the power behind the throne.  Nothing is more evident in this situation than that.

They're more concerned with their PR than spreading the word of God - or upholding it.

But the Pope did meet with some abuse victims. He also has mention the situation a few times over the past couple of years.

[mclees8]

The Pope embraced Kim Davis and told her to "Remain Strong" but it ANGERED people against him, and so the Vatican distanced themselves from her in a statement claiming it was just an embrace, she was just someone in line.

They spoke as true cowards once "the people"... including Catholics went against what he had done. Truly sad day in the Catholic church who had a chance to really be a witness in the eyes of the world. To stand together with another believer and the word of God.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of what the Vatican reps did?  He may be the Pope of the Church, but they are truly the power behind the throne.  Nothing is more evident in this situation than that.

They're more concerned with their PR than spreading the word of God - or upholding it.

But the Pope did meet with some abuse victims. He also has mention the situation a few times over the past couple of years.

Met with some victims.  He motioned the situation  few times .

When he should have had Holy Anger for something that is bringing judgment on the world he was more like the mouse that squeaked  Maybe you don't grasp the gravity of the situation.   

[Catholica]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

[mclees8]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I have been on this board for  long time.  In that time I do not believe I have even addressed the priest scandal even once until  now. They are not even my issue now. You post an apology for their misconduct. I believe there should be a lot of apologies for Protestant sex abuse. 

It was Catholic Justices that without regard for Gods word made gay marriage law. Also with out regard for future generations of our children, yet where was the just outrage from the pope, and for this you post his apology for pedophile priests .   Why is there no just outcry form Catholic families for their children's moral future.   The whole journey Catholics  idolized the pope with out one outcry save a none Catholic clerk of courts   

[mclees8]

If I could get an audience with he pope I would ask him to his face.

It is beyond me why none of you here even give one thought. I asked Ladonia if he had kids,  and what about you. You say your kids married now. Got grandkids?   Was it not Jesus who said if any would bring one of these little ones to sin it would be better for him to havea n anchor tied to his neck and tossed tot the sea. Do you think Jesus is outraged?

[Hexalpa]

This were I walk away from the RCC as their lack of action towards pedos makes me see red !
Not only the RCC but the whole lot, politics and all are in bed with such creeps just like they are with selling drugs.
Noting has ever been truly seriously undertaken to deal with such issues.
But the fact is a hell of a lot has been taken to try dismiss it all through the years.

Fact is a hell of a lot of work has gone on to lead people astray from a moral life, in fact today we are under attack of every sick vice there is out there, and the big problem is that people are swallowing the lies full on, with Satan's Political Correct new age moronic brainwashing of looking up to filth. Supporting so called gay marriage nonsense and all the twisted rubbish that just does not add up.
The worse thing about all this is that such people are just so militant and vindictive about it all, it's like you must accept my depravity or else, so Nazi like it just makes me sick. 

[Ladonia]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I have been on this board for  long time.  In that time I do not believe I have even addressed the priest scandal even once until  now. They are not even my issue now. You post an apology for their misconduct. I believe there should be a lot of apologies for Protestant sex abuse. 

It was Catholic Justices that without regard for Gods word made gay marriage law. Also with out regard for future generations of our children, yet where was the just outrage from the pope, and for this you post his apology for pedophile priests .   Why is there no just outcry form Catholic families for their children's moral future.   The whole journey Catholics  idolized the pope with out one outcry save a none Catholic clerk of courts   

The fact is, you know little of this issue. There has been plenty of outrage among Catholics about this abuse, plenty. The reality is, those abusers make up a small amount of the clergy and the problem is being dealt with forthrightly. Why does this seem to bother you so much being as you are not a member of our church?  It's really none of your business, so why don't you just drop it? But I know, you just can't help yourself and anything that makes us look bad you need to bring it up over and over again. It's all pretty pitiful on your part if you ask me. 

[mclees8]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I have been on this board for  long time.  In that time I do not believe I have even addressed the priest scandal even once until  now. They are not even my issue now. You post an apology for their misconduct. I believe there should be a lot of apologies for Protestant sex abuse. 

It was Catholic Justices that without regard for Gods word made gay marriage law. Also with out regard for future generations of our children, yet where was the just outrage from the pope, and for this you post his apology for pedophile priests .   Why is there no just outcry form Catholic families for their children's moral future.   The whole journey Catholics  idolized the pope with out one outcry save a none Catholic clerk of courts   

The fact is, you know little of this issue. There has been plenty of outrage among Catholics about this abuse, plenty. The reality is, those abusers make up a small amount of the clergy and the problem is being dealt with forthrightly. Why does this seem to bother you so much being as you are not a member of our church?  It's really none of your business, so why don't you just drop it? But I know, you just can't help yourself and anything that makes us look bad you need to bring it up over and over again. It's all pretty pitiful on your part if you ask me. 

You still did not get it did you. This issue was not about cleaning house in the clergy of the church.  It was a calus disregard for the future of your Children will grow up thinking there  is nothing wrong with Billy loving tommy getting married then adopting babies whom in their wicked sexual life styles teach them pedophilia all because Catholic justices with full disregard to their faith in Christ passed laws that will destroy every moral fiber for future generations and the pope said not one word about it.  Wake up Ladonia 

Your pope wants to be more the than just the pope to the catholic church but the worlds pope less he would not address our government and the UN .  Not once did he voice outradge for the wicked  law that Catholic justices made .  Where is your outrage for your children's future . This will destroy even the moral fabric of the Catholic church or are you to blind to see it. The judgment day is coming  but you can say al hale the pope. He is not for Christ that is just a front. All I can see is antichrist

Just have to share one more thought. You are pleased that the pope is cleaning house concerning pedophile priests, but when  he do that when he comes to America trying to  address the leaders of world and America as if he was their pope also, and ignores to admonish this law that goes against God and His word so that hey its OK for the world to what it wants but says no to the priests. Do you  not see a double standard. Maybe just maybe your popes are not what they claim to be.

[Ladonia]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I have been on this board for  long time.  In that time I do not believe I have even addressed the priest scandal even once until  now. They are not even my issue now. You post an apology for their misconduct. I believe there should be a lot of apologies for Protestant sex abuse. 

It was Catholic Justices that without regard for Gods word made gay marriage law. Also with out regard for future generations of our children, yet where was the just outrage from the pope, and for this you post his apology for pedophile priests .   Why is there no just outcry form Catholic families for their children's moral future.   The whole journey Catholics  idolized the pope with out one outcry save a none Catholic clerk of courts   

The fact is, you know little of this issue. There has been plenty of outrage among Catholics about this abuse, plenty. The reality is, those abusers make up a small amount of the clergy and the problem is being dealt with forthrightly. Why does this seem to bother you so much being as you are not a member of our church?  It's really none of your business, so why don't you just drop it? But I know, you just can't help yourself and anything that makes us look bad you need to bring it up over and over again. It's all pretty pitiful on your part if you ask me. 

You still did not get it did you. This issue was not about cleaning house in the clergy of the church.  It was a calus disregard for the future of your Children will grow up thinking there  is nothing wrong with Billy loving tommy getting married then adopting babies whom in their wicked sexual life styles teach them pedophilia all because Catholic justices with full disregard to their faith in Christ passed laws that will destroy every moral fiber for future generations and the pope said not one word about it.  Wake up Ladonia 

Your pope wants to be more the than just the pope to the catholic church but the worlds pope less he would not address our government and the UN .  Not once did he voice outradge for the wicked  law that Catholic justices made .  Where is your outrage for your children's future . This will destroy even the moral fabric of the Catholic church or are you to blind to see it. The judgment day is coming  but you can say al hale the pope. He is not for Christ that is just a front. All I can see is antichrist

Like I said, none of this concerns you. Your mission here seems to be to just spread disdain for the Catholic Church and it's Bishop. There is nothing positive coming from your comments on this issue. So go ahead, just twist the knife some more, I know it brings you great joy.

[mclees8]

From https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2015/september/documents/papa-francesco_20150927_usa-vittime-abusi.html:

APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO CUBA, TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND VISIT TO THE UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS
(19-28 SEPTEMBER 2015)

MEETING WITH VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

St. Charles Borromeo Seminary, Philadelphia
Sunday, 27 September 2015

[Multimedia]

My dearest brothers and sisters in Christ, I am grateful for this opportunity to meet you, I am blessed by your presence. Thank you for corning here today.

Words cannot fully express my sorrow for the abuse you suffered. You are precious children of God who should always expect our protection, our care and our love. I am profoundly sorry that your innocence was violated by those who you trusted. In some cases the trust was betrayed by members of your own family, in other cases by priests who carry a sacred responsibility for the care of soul. In all circumstances, the betrayal was a terrible violation of human dignity.

For those who were abused by a member of the clergy, I am deeply sorry for the times when you or your family spoke out, to report the abuse, but you were not heard or believed. Please know that the Holy Father hears you and believes you. I deeply regret that some bishops failed in their responsibility to protect children. It is very disturbing to know that in some cases bishops even were abusers. I pledge to you that we will follow the path of truth wherever it may lead. Clergy and bishops will be held accountable when they abuse or fail to protect children.

We are gathered here in Philadelphia to celebrate God's gift of family life. Within our family of faith and our human families, the sins and crimes of sexual abuse of children must no longer be held in secret and in shame. As we anticipate the Jubilee Year of Mercy, your presence, so generously given despite the anger and pain you have experienced, reveals the merciful heart of Christ. Your stories of survival, each unique and compelling, are powerful signs of the hope that comes from the Lord's promise to be with us always.

It is good to know that you have brought family members and friends with you today. I am grateful for their compassionate support and pray that many people of the Church will respond to the call to accompany those who have suffered abuse. May the Door of Mercy be opened wide in our dioceses, our parishes, our homes and our hearts, to receive those who were abused and to seek the path to forgiveness by trusting in the Lord. We promise to support your continued healing and to always be vigilant to protect the children of today and tomorrow.

When the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus recognized that He was the Risen Lord, they asked Jesus to stay with them. Like those disciples, I humbly beg you and all survivors of abuse to stay with us, to stay with the Church, and that together, as pilgrims on the journey of faith, we might find our way to the Father.

© Copyright - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

I have been on this board for  long time.  In that time I do not believe I have even addressed the priest scandal even once until  now. They are not even my issue now. You post an apology for their misconduct. I believe there should be a lot of apologies for Protestant sex abuse. 

It was Catholic Justices that without regard for Gods word made gay marriage law. Also with out regard for future generations of our children, yet where was the just outrage from the pope, and for this you post his apology for pedophile priests .   Why is there no just outcry form Catholic families for their children's moral future.   The whole journey Catholics  idolized the pope with out one outcry save a none Catholic clerk of courts   

The fact is, you know little of this issue. There has been plenty of outrage among Catholics about this abuse, plenty. The reality is, those abusers make up a small amount of the clergy and the problem is being dealt with forthrightly. Why does this seem to bother you so much being as you are not a member of our church?  It's really none of your business, so why don't you just drop it? But I know, you just can't help yourself and anything that makes us look bad you need to bring it up over and over again. It's all pretty pitiful on your part if you ask me. 

You still did not get it did you. This issue was not about cleaning house in the clergy of the church.  It was a calus disregard for the future of your Children will grow up thinking there  is nothing wrong with Billy loving tommy getting married then adopting babies whom in their wicked sexual life styles teach them pedophilia all because Catholic justices with full disregard to their faith in Christ passed laws that will destroy every moral fiber for future generations and the pope said not one word about it.  Wake up Ladonia 

Your pope wants to be more the than just the pope to the catholic church but the worlds pope less he would not address our government and the UN .  Not once did he voice outradge for the wicked  law that Catholic justices made .  Where is your outrage for your children's future . This will destroy even the moral fabric of the Catholic church or are you to blind to see it. The judgment day is coming  but you can say al hale the pope. He is not for Christ that is just a front. All I can see is antichrist

Like I said, none of this concerns you. Your mission here seems to be to just spread disdain for the Catholic Church and it's Bishop. There is nothing positive coming from your comments on this issue. So go ahead, just twist the knife some more, I know it brings you great joy.

None of this concerns me ? It ought to darn well concern you and every human being who ever claimed Christ.  I can't help but feel sorry for you if you think this is just about hating the papacy because I see it for what it is.  The Concern should be for you and every one who ever claimed to love Christ, but you say it not my concern. I can't help but remember the call of Jeremiah when he was called of God to go into the city to see  if he could find one righteous and he found none.it wasn't Gods desire to bring the judgment but it came by their own apathy.  It wasn't his concern either but it was God's   Your apathy is well noted,  but there will be that day, and I  pray you will find yourself before it is to late.   Do you note even care?  I find that  astounding .   It's surely not my personal problem, but it is yours and every last one of you.   Father  forgiven them for they no note what they do.

[RB]

With all fairness, such problems are in many churches, not just the RCC, but without question, they have a major problem on their hands, and I do not see a way out for them, based upon encouraging men and women to stay Celibacy. Uncleanness and fornication are in in most churches in some forms, even from its leaders, it is just not known as much, nevertheless is there. To think otherwise is to have ones head in the sand. It would not be fair to speak evil of every RCC because of such sins, for many of them are outrage of such wickedness. I do not believe that men Like Catholica is pleased with what he sees and know to be going on. He seems to be of man of character, who opposes such wickedness. It is high time that everyone show a strong disdain of those men who have used their power and position to abuse young boys, the lake of fire will be their final abode.   

[Texas Conservative]

I am full of outradge.

[LexKnight]

Would it be difficult to just let the priests marry?

[mclees8]

With all fairness, such problems are in many churches, not just the RCC, but without question, they have a major problem on their hands, and I do not see a way out for them, based upon encouraging men and women to stay Celibacy. Uncleanness and fornication are in in most churches in some forms, even from its leaders, it is just not known as much, nevertheless is there. To think otherwise is to have ones head in the sand. It would not be fair to speak evil of every RCC because of such sins, for many of them are outrage of such wickedness. I do not believe that men Like Catholica is pleased with what he sees and know to be going on. He seems to be of man of character, who opposes such wickedness. It is high time that everyone show a strong disdain of those men who have used their power and position to abuse young boys, the lake of fire will be their final abode.

Dear bro I pray you have not missed it as well.  Because of the current knew law there can be no definition of abuse. 

[mclees8]

Would it be difficult to just let the priests marry?

We will soon know that the whole moral fabric of the church is torn to shreds.  The church says no its against God,  and the world now backed by law thumbs its nose at Gods moral standard.  Only one thing is now left God Himself must intervene and the judgment is next. Can we not see it coming?

[LexKnight]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

[chosenone]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

[mclees8]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

I still do no think you guys are quite getting the big picture. This is not about pointing fingers at the RCC.  This a bout a world that says the law allows them to be any kind of pervert they want and the , excuse  the word, Hell with the church or Gods standards. This crosses all denominational barrier's for the future generation.  Who is going to come to Christ. No one leaving only the judgment which is right at the door. 

All we have for the future generation is week kneed popes who are scared to stand up and call sin what is.


Our future generation will say I don't have to listen to Mom and dad tell me about God.

I don't have listen to some pastor or priest tell me what right and wrong is.

I can be the setter of my own standards and God can take a hike.

Is that not true from here on out that  the world gives license for every immoral behavior.

No not one word from the feeble pope who is haled as some hero for truth and righteousness

What about it Cath. What about it ladonia . What about it?

[mclees8]

I can't help but think sometimes that our faith is often  phony and not really real. We just act like it and brag our theology back and forth but nothing is really real. Its all pretend. Tomorrow I am preaching on the second coming of Christ but is his second coming really real to us. Are we giving any real thought to when he comes and how he will find us. will he find real faith on the earth? Will we be a bunch a braggarts of theology.   Think about it   I will share A story with you tomorrow that I am using as center piece for my sermon. Its about an extremely Loyal dog that waited for his master for five years. For a dog that is like a life time.

[Ladonia]

Would it be difficult to just let the priests marry?

No it wouldn't be difficult and if the Church wanted it to happen, it would. But that is not our way as our clergy follow the example of Jesus Christ, the unmarried founder of the faith. But the fact is, there are married Catholic priests. They consist of priests who came over from the Anglican communion.

[Ladonia]

You can still serve an assembly, be a shepherd to His people, while being married. In fact, having a household would be a good thing for a shepherd. Both elders and bishops are recommended to have one wife, children raised well in the understanding of the Lord, even so much that Paul said If one cannot rule his household well, how can he the House of God? By hindering priests from getting married, you hinder their growth that would further serve the people of God. You also allow for temptations to never be relieved, as celibacy is a gift, and one with discipline, but not for everyone.

Yes and the no marriage rule has attracted a large proportion of phedophiles and homosexuals to the RC priesthood.

Well then, come on, please back this claim up with some solid proof. I have been a Catholic all my life, went to Catholic schools as a lad and for the last 28 years since my return I have met but one who I thought might be a homosexual. And even if he was, as long as he remained chaste there is no problem whatsoever. The fact is, the priests of the various parishes I have been in during the last 28 years have all been decent holy men very much on fire for the Lord. And that is the honest truth!

Oh, and I haven't run into any pedophiles during all that time either.

Do they exist? Yes, just like they do in the church which you attend. In my town last month they arrested an elder from the local Baptist church who showed up to have sex with what he thought was a young boy he had met online. Unfortunately for him, it was a sting set up by the local Sheriff's Office sex crimes unit. My wife who knows some of the people who attend that church said they were all shocked, no one had a clue. But surprise, surprise, there he was, right in their midst! Nice, huh?