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Do you think people like us can enter the kingdom of heaven?

Started by Befaithful, Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 22:44:02

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Befaithful

I'm a Christian. Believing in the Lord, preaching the gospel and working for the Lord is my goal and strength all the time. In my heart, I also admire the apostles who followed the Lord, worked for the Lord and were with Him. Especially seeing Paul preached the Lord's gospel to many countries, I adore Paul very much within. I really hope I could preach the Lord's gospel as he did one day.
I had been always thinking that Paul walked the right way of believing in God until I see the movie "Stinging Memories" :
http://youtu.be/ZH3bFxLWuqo   I found it was totally a wrong way.

No one wants to look back to the unhappy things of the past, for we did so many things that went against the Lord's teachings, but we turned a blind eye to them. Although we prayed to the Lord everyday and asked Him to forgive us, we still lived in the condition of committing sins in the day and confessing them at night, and dreamt the dream of being raptured. At that time, I was so naive. The memories are like the sting, waking me up from my sleep. Only the ones who long for and seek the truth, practice God's word and obey and love God can receive the approval of God and enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Fellows ,It desever us to think about!

AVZ

Quote from: Befaithful on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 22:44:02
I'm a Christian. Believing in the Lord, preaching the gospel and working for the Lord is my goal and strength all the time. In my heart, I also admire the apostles who followed the Lord, worked for the Lord and were with Him. Especially seeing Paul preached the Lord's gospel to many countries, I adore Paul very much within. I really hope I could preach the Lord's gospel as he did one day.
I had been always thinking that Paul walked the right way of believing in God until I see the movie "Stinging Memories" :
http://youtu.be/ZH3bFxLWuqo   I found it was totally a wrong way.

No one wants to look back to the unhappy things of the past, for we did so many things that went against the Lord's teachings, but we turned a blind eye to them. Although we prayed to the Lord everyday and asked Him to forgive us, we still lived in the condition of committing sins in the day and confessing them at night, and dreamt the dream of being raptured. At that time, I was so naive. The memories are like the sting, waking me up from my sleep. Only the ones who long for and seek the truth, practice God's word and obey and love God can receive the approval of God and enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Fellows ,It desever us to think about!

Let me break it down for others:

Your cult believes that the letters written by Paul were not inspired by the Holy Spirit and Paul was just a simple worker for the gospel. No authority and no special position.
Paul was a human just like you and me and hence his letters are fallible, hence incorrect.

Simply said: your cult rejects any and all of Pauls writing as authoritative.

hellomary720

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "So I think only who  listening to the Lord's words, obey the Lord, know the Lord's people to get into heaven.

MeMyself

Will people like us enter the Kingdom of Heaven?  If we accept Christ's give of salvation and understand that HE alone is the only way to the Father, yes.  Your works based salvation will leave you out cold.  God will say depart from me I never knew you.

God chose Paul.  He walked in the ways that were pleasing to God after his conversion.

There is NO NEED for anyone to follow what you are trying to get people to embrace here.  It is extra biblical and it is all lies from the pit of hell.

hellomary720, are you the same poster as colorful life and befaithful and kathie and a host of others, or have all of you been sent to try and convert the board to your cult?

new creature

I don't know what you mean by ''people like us''.

That being said, I'm already in.

Quote from: Befaithful on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 22:44:02
I'm a Christian.
If that's true then you're already in too.

If it's not true then you are deceived.

Jesus speaks of people who call him Lord but do not the things he says. That draw nigh unto him with their lips but their hearts are far from Him. For people in this category I believe it is very hard to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because they think they're already there (so they don't strive to enter). Those who think they're born again but are really not. For them it is very important to take heed to the commandment ''prove your own selves'' and if so, they can come to repentance in my opinion.

chosenone

Quote from: hellomary720 on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 23:57:15
Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. "So I think only who  listening to the Lord's words, obey the Lord, know the Lord's people to get into heaven.

Yes and the whole Bible is Gods word to us. 

Charlie24

Quote from: Befaithful on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 22:44:02
I'm a Christian. Believing in the Lord, preaching the gospel and working for the Lord is my goal and strength all the time. In my heart, I also admire the apostles who followed the Lord, worked for the Lord and were with Him. Especially seeing Paul preached the Lord's gospel to many countries, I adore Paul very much within. I really hope I could preach the Lord's gospel as he did one day.
I had been always thinking that Paul walked the right way of believing in God until I see the movie "Stinging Memories" :
http://youtu.be/ZH3bFxLWuqo   I found it was totally a wrong way.

No one wants to look back to the unhappy things of the past, for we did so many things that went against the Lord's teachings, but we turned a blind eye to them. Although we prayed to the Lord everyday and asked Him to forgive us, we still lived in the condition of committing sins in the day and confessing them at night, and dreamt the dream of being raptured. At that time, I was so naive. The memories are like the sting, waking me up from my sleep. Only the ones who long for and seek the truth, practice God's word and obey and love God can receive the approval of God and enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Fellows ,It desever us to think about!

So you watched a movie and now telling us that the Apostle Paul was not walking in the Lord with his ministry and epistles.

Paul warns us several times about people like you! You can long for and seek the truth, practice God's word and obey and love God, in the wrong way. There are many folks who are serious about God and seriously wrong. If you don't follow God's instructions for salvation, you will not see the Kingdom of God. The Apostle Paul gives us these instructions. The Holy Spirit allowed Paul almost one third of the New Testament to do so.

Befaithful

So long,I haven't know if I truly love God.If everything I've done really is for God, God's Word deeply shocked my heart and give me the answer:
Most people believe in God for the sake of their future destination or temporary enjoyment. For those who have not been dealt with at all, they believe in God just for going to heaven and for receiving a reward, not for being perfected or for fulfilling their duty as a created being. In other words, most people believe in God not for fulfilling their responsibility or completing their duty, few people believe in God for living out a meaningful life, and no one thinks that since man lives, he should love God, because it is something right and proper and is man's bounden duty. Thus, although different people pursue different goals, their purposes and intents in pursuing are similar, and for most pursuers, the objects of their adoration are generally the same. Throughout thousands of years, so many believers died and so many believers were reborn, and those who pursued God were not merely one or two, or merely one or two thousand. However, most of them pursued for the sake of their own future or their future good hope, and few were faithful to Christ. Many devout believers still died in their own trap, and those who overcame were even too few to mention. The reasons for their failure or the secrets of their overcoming people are still unclear about today. Those who pursue Christ "infatuatedly" still remain unawakened. They are not aware what the root of these mysteries actually is, because they simply do not know. Although they pursue with all their heart and all their effort, the way they walk is the way to failure that those before them walked, not the way to success that the forerunners walked. So no matter how hard they pursue, won't the way they walk lead to darkness? Won't they reap only bitter fruit? It is very hard to foretell whether those who imitate the successful men of the past will receive blessing or punishment in the end. How about those who pursue in the footsteps of the failures? Won't they more than fail? What is the worth of the way they walk? Won't they run in vain? Whether one fails or succeeds in his pursuit, there are reasons for it. It is not that a casual pursuit can decide one's success or failure. (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)

MeMyself

Quote from: Befaithful on Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 10:11:26
So long,I haven't know if I truly love God.If everything I've done really is for God, God's Word deeply shocked my heart and give me the answer:
Most people believe in God for the sake of their future destination or temporary enjoyment. For those who have not been dealt with at all, they believe in God just for going to heaven and for receiving a reward, not for being perfected or for fulfilling their duty as a created being. In other words, most people believe in God not for fulfilling their responsibility or completing their duty, few people believe in God for living out a meaningful life, and no one thinks that since man lives, he should love God, because it is something right and proper and is man's bounden duty. Thus, although different people pursue different goals, their purposes and intents in pursuing are similar, and for most pursuers, the objects of their adoration are generally the same. Throughout thousands of years, so many believers died and so many believers were reborn, and those who pursued God were not merely one or two, or merely one or two thousand. However, most of them pursued for the sake of their own future or their future good hope, and few were faithful to Christ. Many devout believers still died in their own trap, and those who overcame were even too few to mention. The reasons for their failure or the secrets of their overcoming people are still unclear about today. Those who pursue Christ "infatuatedly" still remain unawakened. They are not aware what the root of these mysteries actually is, because they simply do not know. Although they pursue with all their heart and all their effort, the way they walk is the way to failure that those before them walked, not the way to success that the forerunners walked. So no matter how hard they pursue, won't the way they walk lead to darkness? Won't they reap only bitter fruit? It is very hard to foretell whether those who imitate the successful men of the past will receive blessing or punishment in the end. How about those who pursue in the footsteps of the failures? Won't they more than fail? What is the worth of the way they walk? Won't they run in vain? Whether one fails or succeeds in his pursuit, there are reasons for it. It is not that a casual pursuit can decide one's success or failure. (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)

::frustrated::  This.is.NOT.the.Word.of.God!!!  ::frustrated::

Every time you claim that it is, you take the Lord's name in vain and misuse it.   ::frown::


AVZ

Quote from: Befaithful on Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 10:11:26
So long,I haven't know if I truly love God.If everything I've done really is for God, God's Word deeply shocked my heart and give me the answer:
Most people believe in God for the sake of their future destination or temporary enjoyment. For those who have not been dealt with at all, they believe in God just for going to heaven and for receiving a reward, not for being perfected or for fulfilling their duty as a created being. In other words, most people believe in God not for fulfilling their responsibility or completing their duty, few people believe in God for living out a meaningful life, and no one thinks that since man lives, he should love God, because it is something right and proper and is man's bounden duty. Thus, although different people pursue different goals, their purposes and intents in pursuing are similar, and for most pursuers, the objects of their adoration are generally the same. Throughout thousands of years, so many believers died and so many believers were reborn, and those who pursued God were not merely one or two, or merely one or two thousand. However, most of them pursued for the sake of their own future or their future good hope, and few were faithful to Christ. Many devout believers still died in their own trap, and those who overcame were even too few to mention. The reasons for their failure or the secrets of their overcoming people are still unclear about today. Those who pursue Christ "infatuatedly" still remain unawakened. They are not aware what the root of these mysteries actually is, because they simply do not know. Although they pursue with all their heart and all their effort, the way they walk is the way to failure that those before them walked, not the way to success that the forerunners walked. So no matter how hard they pursue, won't the way they walk lead to darkness? Won't they reap only bitter fruit? It is very hard to foretell whether those who imitate the successful men of the past will receive blessing or punishment in the end. How about those who pursue in the footsteps of the failures? Won't they more than fail? What is the worth of the way they walk? Won't they run in vain? Whether one fails or succeeds in his pursuit, there are reasons for it. It is not that a casual pursuit can decide one's success or failure. (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)

Look Befaithful,

In China you prey on young believers, deceiving them with a false gospel.
Here on this board you will not get away with it.
Obviously "The Word Appears in the Flesh" is a corruption of Gods Word, and with that the title is kind of spot on.
It is indeed Gods Word abused by people of the flesh.

It is as your authors claim "We, who were born in Mainland China, are the representatives of men deeply corrupted by satan." http://www.holyspiritspeaks.org/a-word-from-the-translators/

Gentleman One

Quote from: Befaithful on Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 10:11:26
So long,I haven't know if I truly love God.If everything I've done really is for God, God's Word deeply shocked my heart and give me the answer:
Most people believe in God for the sake of their future destination or temporary enjoyment. For those who have not been dealt with at all, they believe in God just for going to heaven and for receiving a reward, not for being perfected or for fulfilling their duty as a created being. In other words, most people believe in God not for fulfilling their responsibility or completing their duty, few people believe in God for living out a meaningful life, and no one thinks that since man lives, he should love God, because it is something right and proper and is man's bounden duty. Thus, although different people pursue different goals, their purposes and intents in pursuing are similar, and for most pursuers, the objects of their adoration are generally the same. Throughout thousands of years, so many believers died and so many believers were reborn, and those who pursued God were not merely one or two, or merely one or two thousand. However, most of them pursued for the sake of their own future or their future good hope, and few were faithful to Christ. Many devout believers still died in their own trap, and those who overcame were even too few to mention. The reasons for their failure or the secrets of their overcoming people are still unclear about today. Those who pursue Christ "infatuatedly" still remain unawakened. They are not aware what the root of these mysteries actually is, because they simply do not know. Although they pursue with all their heart and all their effort, the way they walk is the way to failure that those before them walked, not the way to success that the forerunners walked. So no matter how hard they pursue, won't the way they walk lead to darkness? Won't they reap only bitter fruit? It is very hard to foretell whether those who imitate the successful men of the past will receive blessing or punishment in the end. How about those who pursue in the footsteps of the failures? Won't they more than fail? What is the worth of the way they walk? Won't they run in vain? Whether one fails or succeeds in his pursuit, there are reasons for it. It is not that a casual pursuit can decide one's success or failure. (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)
I don't agree where its says 'most people'; people believe in God because the evidence is around them and they want a full relationship with him.  I'm fairly new to Christianity but this does not make sense to me.  ::headscratch::

MeMyself

Quote from: Gentleman One on Wed Oct 21, 2015 - 09:57:05
Quote from: Befaithful on Thu Oct 15, 2015 - 10:11:26
So long,I haven't know if I truly love God.If everything I've done really is for God, God's Word deeply shocked my heart and give me the answer:
Most people believe in God for the sake of their future destination or temporary enjoyment. For those who have not been dealt with at all, they believe in God just for going to heaven and for receiving a reward, not for being perfected or for fulfilling their duty as a created being. In other words, most people believe in God not for fulfilling their responsibility or completing their duty, few people believe in God for living out a meaningful life, and no one thinks that since man lives, he should love God, because it is something right and proper and is man's bounden duty. Thus, although different people pursue different goals, their purposes and intents in pursuing are similar, and for most pursuers, the objects of their adoration are generally the same. Throughout thousands of years, so many believers died and so many believers were reborn, and those who pursued God were not merely one or two, or merely one or two thousand. However, most of them pursued for the sake of their own future or their future good hope, and few were faithful to Christ. Many devout believers still died in their own trap, and those who overcame were even too few to mention. The reasons for their failure or the secrets of their overcoming people are still unclear about today. Those who pursue Christ "infatuatedly" still remain unawakened. They are not aware what the root of these mysteries actually is, because they simply do not know. Although they pursue with all their heart and all their effort, the way they walk is the way to failure that those before them walked, not the way to success that the forerunners walked. So no matter how hard they pursue, won't the way they walk lead to darkness? Won't they reap only bitter fruit? It is very hard to foretell whether those who imitate the successful men of the past will receive blessing or punishment in the end. How about those who pursue in the footsteps of the failures? Won't they more than fail? What is the worth of the way they walk? Won't they run in vain? Whether one fails or succeeds in his pursuit, there are reasons for it. It is not that a casual pursuit can decide one's success or failure. (from The Word Appears in the Flesh)
I don't agree where its says 'most people'; people believe in God because the evidence is around them and they want a full relationship with him.  I'm fairly new to Christianity but this does not make sense to me.  ::headscratch::

Gentleman, be glad what she posted doesn't make sense to you...it is a cult's writings that she is sharing and is to be run from far and fast!

Gentleman One

It certainly didn't sound right - I wonder whether she has been brainwashed by the cult.

notreligus

I've heard of preachers who emphasize the four Gospels and ignore Paul's epistles because they see Paul's epistles as being in conflict with the Gospels, but this approach takes it much further into heretical territory.   

John 5:44  How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:45  Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.

In the video these reprobates state that Paul has no authority.   Well, what about Moses?    Christ said that the words of Moses had authority.   And the Jews claimed to believe they had authority.   Yet Christ said that the Jews were condemned by the words of Moses because they had rejected Him and how He was revealed to them in the Torah.   

The Apostle Paul's emphasis was the reconciliation of all of mankind through Christ's finished work and shed blood.   It's obvious that this cult think they are another one of these "one true Church" or the "only true Israel" groups who've become convinced that they have some unique understanding of the Scriptures and they are trying to suck others into believing in "another Jesus."

PeteWaldo

I can maybe save others the little time I had to spend. I couldn't quite understand what was going on from the comments, so I skipped to a point well into the video, and viewed for a moment. Regarding the moment I did watch, it has been my experience that Muslims also enjoy demonizing Paul, even though they have to reject all of the Gospel witnesses.
So I skipped to the end of the video and found it was "The Church of the Almighty God".
A quick Bing search revealed headlines like:

"Inside China's most radical cult"

"China's violent Christian cult: Church of Almighty God"

"Church of the Almighty God cult" member kills a woman in McDonald's"

"The suspects, all members of the Quannengshen (Almighty God) cult, were collecting telephone numbers to recruit members in the Zhaoyuan restaurant at about 9pm on Wednesday. They were said to have become agitated when the victim, surnamed Wu, rejected them.

Online videos and photographs showed the suspects beating Wu with chairs, then with a metal mop. The beating continued even after the mop broke, with attackers kicking Wu's head.

Onlookers and restaurant workers who failed to intervene were castigated for their "cold-heartedness" by internet users and relatives of the victim.

State-run CCTV quoted a suspect as saying the beating started when his daughter accused Wu of being an "evil spirit". Wu resisted, but that only led to a more ferocious beating that continued even after police arrived."


Yet the gang that killed the girl probably still doesn't recognize they are driven by unclean spirits and/or demons.

Yahu

Getting into the kingdom is EASY.  Being granted a high level position within that kingdom is HARD.

SkyWriting

Quote from: Befaithful on Fri Oct 09, 2015 - 22:44:02
I'm a Christian. Believing in the Lord, preaching the gospel and working for the Lord is my goal and strength all the time. In my heart, I also admire the apostles who followed the Lord, worked for the Lord and were with Him. Especially seeing Paul preached the Lord's gospel to many countries, I adore Paul very much within. I really hope I could preach the Lord's gospel as he did one day.
I had been always thinking that Paul walked the right way of believing in God until I see the movie "Stinging Memories" :
http://youtu.be/ZH3bFxLWuqo   I found it was totally a wrong way.

No one wants to look back to the unhappy things of the past, for we did so many things that went against the Lord's teachings, but we turned a blind eye to them. Although we prayed to the Lord everyday and asked Him to forgive us, we still lived in the condition of committing sins in the day and confessing them at night, and dreamt the dream of being raptured. At that time, I was so naive. The memories are like the sting, waking me up from my sleep. Only the ones who long for and seek the truth, practice God's word and obey and love God can receive the approval of God and enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Fellows ,It desever us to think about!

I hope the Lord strikes you blind for thee days and forces you into Christianity, like Paul?

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