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Started by TruthScientist, Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:02:13

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TruthScientist

http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacks-somber-focus-democratic-debate-170542024.html

Ann Coulter is right...

the escalation has begun...  panic mode is next...  if you don't have hope you will have fear

Texas Conservative

Obummer wants to take in "refugees."  One of the attackers in Paris was a "refugee."

As far as Hitlery's foreign policy?  She can't even protect US ambassadors.

TruthScientist

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:05:15
Obummer wants to take in "refugees."  One of the attackers in Paris was a "refugee."

As far as Hitlery's foreign policy?  She can't even protect US ambassadors.

This is way more complicated than democratic and republican...  none of that will matter as things continue to evolve towards globalism or us against them...  the definitions have not been put in ink yet...   geography will play a big part and resources in the coming global tactics... 

right now we are infighting while our enemies are creeping closer toward us...  this is why we should have laid lots of stock in mexico. south America and Canada...  as repulsive as that sounds that was our point of strength.  It sounds repulsive because of the old ties that were with it.  Europe will not do us much good in the coming days. they will have their hands full as will the middle east.  and the Chinese will be laying in the cut as things play out. this is all new ground being  broken up.  If we can make adjustments we are done.  I don't see it happening.  the upper crust's thinking is dangerously suicidal.  But evil is here and will be personified soon in a person, a very smart person who will have all the answers.  the strategy is set...

Jaime

Obama has misjudged this ISIS thing terribly. It will require a worldwide effort to eradicate these guys and probably several years with America in the LEAD, or it ain't gonna get done.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:56:13
Obama has misjudged this ISIS thing terribly. It will require a worldwide effort to eradicate these guys and probably several years with America in the LEAD, or it ain't gonna get done.

Providing guns to middle east groups is always a bad bet.

Jaime

#5
We don't need to provide anyone guns. We need to lead the world in poinding ISIS intonoblivion. This can't ne done by proxy. If any countries don't want to help, they need to get out of the way.

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 21:21:33
We don't need to provide anyone guns. We need to lead the world in poinding ISIS intonoblivion. This can't ne done by proxy. If any countries don't want to help, they need to get out of the way.

We have been providing munitions to groups that became isis.

Jaime

#7
We don't need to and shouldn't have. Besides what we've got to do now is kill them in a wholesale manner whether they have our guns or not.

A lot of their weaponry and equipment is what was dropped on the ground or ran away from by the Iraqi army we supplied and pulled out from too early

Texas Conservative

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 21:41:06
We don't need to and shouldn't have. Besides what we've got to do now is kill them in a wholesale manner whether they have our guns or not.

We shoul make it known we will bomb Mecca with bombs dipped in pigs blood.

Jaime

Yes I've advocated that for years. Rescind those buffon's ticket to the 72 virgin paradise.

Jaime

Maybe use stealth drones that spray airborne pig blood droplets.

doorknocker

Bless those who persecute you, bless and do not curse them.

Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.

Live in harmony with one another, do not be haughty, but associate

with the lowly, never be conceited.

Repay no one evil for evil, but take tought for what is noble in the sight of all.

If possible, as far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,

for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the Lord".

No, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him;  if he is thirsty, give him drink;

for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head".

Do not be overcome by evil,  but overcome evil with good.

Jaime

I thank God that the Greatest generation DID what was necessary to vanquish evil in WWII. Same in this day and time.

crowcamp

If possible, as far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all.


If possible.

Not possible.

Jaime

#14
Absolutely not possible. These people are sold out to Allah (Satan). Not just a misguided person(s) acting as our enemy.

Hexalpa

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 22:10:05
I thank God that the Greatest generation DID what was necessary to vanquish evil in WWII. Same in this day and time.
I think that most did not have a clue what they where fighting for to be truthful and that's on both sides.

Satan work goes on regardless and is growing out of control in the west now due to PC.

Christ Jesus is the only truth and the Light of the world.

Political Correctness is the biggest whore we have ever had and It has and will lead millions to their deaths one way or another war or not, it's just like a cancer or a pox.

TruthScientist

why can't you live peaceably with someone?

crowcamp

You can live peaceably- with anyone. But to accomplish true peace there must be the desire from both sides for the same goal. You cannot live in peace with someone who believes with their entire being that you should be dead.

TruthScientist

that is what I was thinking...  you can be at peace with your buffalo rifle in your hand...  cocked

crowcamp

Well, I would think true peace would not require the presence of the rifle. In fact, just the opposite. True peace means no threat present to justify a rifle.

TruthScientist

Quote from: crowcamp on Sun Nov 15, 2015 - 09:25:26
Well, I would think true peace would not require the presence of the rifle. In fact, just the opposite. True peace means no threat present to justify a rifle.

I agree...

PeteWaldo

#21
Quote from: TruthScientist on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:02:13
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacks-somber-focus-democratic-debate-170542024.html

Ann Coulter is right...

the escalation has begun.........

But just another day in the life for millions of our brothers and sisters, that have been suffering the continuing imperialistic onslaught, subjugation and murder of Islamic Jihad, for many, many years, that the world has seemed to want to blind itself to. Indeed that so much of the world - and even a substantial part of the western "church" - would seem to want Israel to be conquered and ruled by, as well. Here's a (dated) snapshot (for a current log visit TheReligionOfPeace.com):

12/28/2012 Musari Nigeria 15 killed: "Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah."

12/25/2012 Peri Nigeria 6 killed 4 injured: "A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service."

11/25/2012 Jaji Nigeria 15 killed 30 injured: "Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church."

10/2/2012 Mubi Nigeria 26 killed 15 injured: "At least twenty-six Christian students are singled out and executed by Islamists at their campus. Some are shot, others have their throats cut."

8/6/2012 Okene Nigeria 20 killed 9 injured: "Sharia proponents enter a church and open up on members with machine-guns, slaughtering at least nineteen, including the pastor."

7/7/2012 Kushen Nigeria 80 killed 300 injured: "Muslim terrorists attack twelve Christian villages and massacre eighty innocents, including fifty taking refuge in a church."

Quote from: TruthScientist on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:02:13........ panic mode is next...  if you don't have hope you will have fear


Tyler

PeteWaldo: "But just another day in the life for millions of our brothers and sisters, that have been suffering the continuing imperialistic onslaught, subjugation and murder of Islamic Jihad, for many, many years, that the world has seemed to want to blind itself to. Indeed that so much of the world - and even a substantial part of the western "church" - would seem to want Israel to be conquered and ruled by, as well."

Looking back at history unfold, I see the "Partition" of Palestine as the seed bed of today's hatred of the West. This occupation of the Zionist philosophy and ramifications continue to sprout; and now teeters on the brink of the sponsorship of a religious war, or "Jihaad."

The fact that Western Christians are supporting an obvious injustice makes Christianity, with all the idealism it claims for itself, suspect in the eyes of millions of non-Christians. Already, mission work and evangelistic efforts of Christian Churches have been and are being greatly diminished. Some of the major evangelical denominations who have established long and effective ministries among the Arab people are now finding it near impossible to continue their efforts due to the distrust and dislike generated by this well advertised backing of the state of Israel by many fundamental denominations.
I know of a couple schools now no longer operative within Palestine because of this very same attitude. Yet the fundamental ethical principle in Christianity is "love." But, love can have no meaning unless it begins with justice.

PeteWaldo

#24
Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 07:45:15
PeteWaldo: "But just another day in the life for millions of our brothers and sisters, that have been suffering the continuing imperialistic onslaught, subjugation and murder of Islamic Jihad, for many, many years, that the world has seemed to want to blind itself to. Indeed that so much of the world - and even a substantial part of the western "church" - would seem to want Israel to be conquered and ruled by, as well."

Looking back at history unfold, I see the "Partition" of Palestine as the seed bed of today's hatred of the West.

While that may be a candidate for one horn of the two-horned beast, your suggestion is so stunningly myopic it is appalling. What does Zionism have to do with Islamic slaughter of Christians in Nigeria? Or the 800 years of Islamic persecution of Hindus in India? The reason orthodox Muslims are acting as they are around so much of the world, is specifically because THE false prophet engaged in the same imperialistic slaughter, terrorism, conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims and commanded his followers to do the same through the Quran and Hadith. True orthodox Muslims act the way they are because fighting and slaying is binding on Muhammad's true followers in the Quran:

Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.....

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.....

Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an:....

My friend, Jihad has been an obligatory duty on every Muslims for the last 1400 years. And "he who tries to escape this duty" "dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite". Israel is just another front in the Islamic imperialistic conquest of the world. There are only two sides in conflict in Israel. Israeli Muslims VS Israeli non-Muslims. That is, Israeli Muslims VS Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs.

Wikipedia article:  "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"

Israeli Christians even join the IDF, because they well know the alternative is Islamic sharia law, and dhimmitude, as in the case of Israeli's neighbors that impose the death penalty by State statutes for such crimes as "apostasy" or leaving Islam, and even speaking or just being accused of speaking in a manner that is judged to be blasphemous against the false prophet Muhammad or his specifically counter-gospel, antichrist, anti-religion.

There are only two sides in this final struggle. Your supersessionism has landed you squarely in the camp of Israel's enemies.



PeteWaldo

#25
Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 07:45:15This occupation of the Zionist philosophy and ramifications continue to sprout; and now teeters on the brink of the sponsorship of a religious war, or "Jihaad."

Brink? Jihad is an obligatory duty that is binding on every Muslim. While you may not consider yourself to be at war against Islam, Islam has been at war against the non-Islamic world, for 1400 years.

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 07:45:15The fact that Western Christians are supporting an obvious injustice makes Christianity, with all the idealism it claims for itself, suspect in the eyes of millions of non-Christians. Already, mission work and evangelistic efforts of Christian Churches have been and are being greatly diminished.

Thanks to support from anti-zionists such as yourself, aiding in compelling the Israelis to give up yet more land, in exchange for yet another false promise of peace. Besides the thousands of rockets being launched from the closer-in launch pad you provided for the Muslims, what is going on in mission work there since you guys prevailed in handing Gaza to Israel's enemy? That is to say, to the enemy of all non-Islamic mankind:

"Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"
Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."
The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."

"'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":
"Christian persecution escalated even before the "Arab Spring."
Since Hamas took over Gaza in 2007, the coastal territory's 3,000-strong Christian community has been facing rampant persecution.
One Gaza Christian leader told WND that Christians living in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip held only small, quiet Christmas celebrations in December after local leaders received warnings for the fifth year in a row from Muslim groups against any public display of Christianity. Islamists have been suspected in a string of anti-Christian attacks, including the bombing of a Christian bookstore in November 2007 and the murder of the store's manager, local Christian resident Rami Ayyad."

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 07:45:15Some of the major evangelical denominations who have established long and effective ministries among the Arab people are now finding it near impossible to continue their efforts due to the distrust and dislike generated by this well advertised backing of the state of Israel by many fundamental denominations. I know of a couple schools now no longer operative within Palestine because of this very same attitude. Yet the fundamental ethical principle in Christianity is "love." But, love can have no meaning unless it begins with justice.

Scripture instructs that we can judge a tree by its fruit. Do you think it a mere coincidence that your fellow fruit in the anti-Zionist tree includes a near unanimity of Muslims, as well as Nazis, skinheads, white supremacists, the former Soviet communists, Louis Farrakan and the "Nation of Islam", George Soros and his Center for American Progress and anti-Semites of all stripes? All of whom thereby directly or indirectly advance the Islamic conquest of Israel, and the 1400 year goal of Islam, which is to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to Muhammad's followers. With Israel being just another front, in the Islamic conquest of the world.

The anti-Zionist camp also includes some self-proclaimed Christians who reject that the return of Jews to our land is of the Lord. Examples in this group are Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, David Duke and the KKK, the "Christian Identity" movement and Jeremiah Wright.

Get your head out of the sand, and rewritten history and present day reality by Islamic propagandists engaged in taqqiyyah, or lying in the way of Allah. Muslims attack Jews and Christians because it is their job.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Particularly to slaughter Jews, which is also why the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem joined Hitler in their shared goal of genocide of Jews, just as Muhammad himself engaged in:

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

That is, all boys that had begun to grow pubic hair and older were beheaded, along with their brothers, dads and grandpas, while their little sisters and moms were pressed into sexual slavery or sold off to purchase horses and arms.

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him. (also #6983 #6984 #6985)

Because it's their job. I have seen videos posted in here and I hope this isn't a transgression of rules. If so admin please forgive me and remove it, but I took the chance because I believe it offers very important insight. In the words of a popular Islamic scholar/mufti that has his own TV show in (more "conservative") Egypt:

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You have chosen the side of the Israeli Muslims and sharia law, against the side of the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, that guarantees the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs, as well as Israeli Muslims who enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.

If you have been the victim of a misguided anti-Zionist "church" (generally the product of supersessionism), try to see what it has in common with other anti-Zionist institutions, in regard to how they treat church ordinances, what kind of people they ordain, and where the focus of the church is.

Jaime

I agree Pete. If Israel was pushed into the Mediterranean and ALL of their land given to the Palestinians, it would not change one thing with the followers of the Satanic religion Islam.

crowcamp

All, and I repeat, all must convert or die. This is the very foundation of Islam. No one is of that perverted religion if they don't believe this or don't practice the Jihad demanded in this. Islam is and always has been a crime against humanity. There are no degrees of Islam. No mild, moderate, hold the pickle, hold the lettuce, or radical. If you are true to belief, you practice Jihad and either convert all or kill all.

When is the world going to call it as it is? How many more have to die at the hands of this evil before the crime that is Islam is treated as any other crime against humanity? This is not a religion with associated rights. This is perversion, and evil, and anti to God. And even for those without a belief in God, this is anti to humanity!

Wake up world!!!!

Tyler

The state of Israel now ruled by a political Zionist organization is of no comparison to the Land promised to Abraham and his descendants.

Makes little difference to many that the land of Palestine has been occupied by the Palestinians: ancient ancestors of the Palestine Arabs of today. The biblical record affirms that the Arabs and Jews were first cousins, being descendants of the one common ancestor, Abraham, by his three wives Sarah, Hagar, and Ketura.

Those Palestine Arabs still living in Palestine are true descendants of the original semitical inhabitants. Their roots do not lie in Syria or Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt, but rather the only country they have ever known as their homeland, the land of Palestine.

You could not find a Israelite in the state of Israel with a search warrant. Those blond haired-blue eyed Zionist that now occupy the "state" are in no way from the ethic stock of the original Jews who had once lived and occupied a portion of Palestine. History and the biblical account reveals that the original semitic Jews were carried away into slavery and dispersion on several historical occasions by various Kings and Kingdoms. The original Hebrews were carried off into captivity.

Furthermore Joshua said that God had "fulfilled ALL the promises He made to Abraham." Read Joshua 21:43-45.
Every "proof-text" today submitted by "Jews" today or misguided, naïve Christians in support of the occupation of Palestine is an attempt to prove that Christ will establish a Jewish Kingdom in Palestine, therefore the Jews have a biblical right to the land. Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." And the "earthly kingdom" scenario completely fails to correctly receive the intended meanings  of the Messianic prophecies, even the Jews of Jesus' day rejected Him as the Messiah simply because He did not "fit" their ideas and "interpretation" of how the Messiah of Israel (and the world) would act and live.

History reveals that America has poured money and blood into a Zionist movement that has never been in a covenant relationship with God. Neither the followers of Mohammed nor the Zionist Jew of today believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah.
Is God pouring out His wrath on nations today using Isis as He did Rome on ancient Israel?  Time will tell.

Rella

Quote from: Jaime on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 22:10:05
I thank God that the Greatest generation DID what was necessary to vanquish evil in WWII. Same in this day and time.

+1

TruthScientist

Quote from: PeteWaldo on Sun Nov 15, 2015 - 10:22:57
Quote from: TruthScientist on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:02:13
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacks-somber-focus-democratic-debate-170542024.html

Ann Coulter is right...

the escalation has begun.........

But just another day in the life for millions of our brothers and sisters, that have been suffering the continuing imperialistic onslaught, subjugation and murder of Islamic Jihad, for many, many years, that the world has seemed to want to blind itself to. Indeed that so much of the world - and even a substantial part of the western "church" - would seem to want Israel to be conquered and ruled by, as well. Here's a (dated) snapshot (for a current log visit TheReligionOfPeace.com):

12/28/2012 Musari Nigeria 15 killed: "Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah."

12/25/2012 Peri Nigeria 6 killed 4 injured: "A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service."

11/25/2012 Jaji Nigeria 15 killed 30 injured: "Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church."

10/2/2012 Mubi Nigeria 26 killed 15 injured: "At least twenty-six Christian students are singled out and executed by Islamists at their campus. Some are shot, others have their throats cut."

8/6/2012 Okene Nigeria 20 killed 9 injured: "Sharia proponents enter a church and open up on members with machine-guns, slaughtering at least nineteen, including the pastor."

7/7/2012 Kushen Nigeria 80 killed 300 injured: "Muslim terrorists attack twelve Christian villages and massacre eighty innocents, including fifty taking refuge in a church."

Quote from: TruthScientist on Sat Nov 14, 2015 - 20:02:13........ panic mode is next...  if you don't have hope you will have fear

You are on it Pete Waldo...

but you are in such a minority...  most of us are stuck far below being able to head toward the big picture...  and then if we are not on the firm foundation we can really take a wrong turn and get back in the mental desert of sin...

all those things are happening and of all people the church has the power to affect the move of sin...  the weapons have been given to us...  not some but all things that pertain to life and Godliness.  They have been given to us...  we are not using these resources, tools and even weapons of warfare...

And now we are caught into halt...  no leadership, no sensible laymen to sound the clarion call...

we are in a bind

TruthScientist

Quote from: Jaime on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 11:31:05
I agree Pete. If Israel was pushed into the Mediterranean and ALL of their land given to the Palestinians, it would not change one thing with the followers of the Satanic religion Islam.

another important thing to remember is that Israel is a sign post of what being obedient to God and/or disobedient will bring.  But that nation has a particular covenant that it will never be stamped out of the annals of man as the world exists...  and in order for a nation to exist there must be people or a people. 

therefore Israel will exist and we can learn from them as well as be blessed by God if we pray for them.  Because they are not perfect and in fact get way off at times.  and for them to have the truth as they do and hardly ever express HIM to men under what ever circumstances that are presented is odd.  and yet simple to because they depend upon Jesus Christ WHO is seen by HIS own as just another prophet who troubled Israel and was impostor to the savior presented by their interpretation.

Our relationship to them is by God and not their actions, they do not have carte blanc...  and yes the Islamic is the concoction satan mixed up for this day shortly after Jesus was off the scene, well a few hundred years before being declared and he tied it in with the Truth in Abraham and a hatred that is hardly known in the annals of man...  and it has many tentacles that are drawing the world into the consequences of it...

Hexalpa

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28
The state of Israel now ruled by a political Zionist organization is of no comparison to the Land promised to Abraham and his descendants.

Makes little difference to many that the land of Palestine has been occupied by the Palestinians: ancient ancestors of the Palestine Arabs of today. The biblical record affirms that the Arabs and Jews were first cousins, being descendants of the one common ancestor, Abraham, by his three wives Sarah, Hagar, and Ketura.

Those Palestine Arabs still living in Palestine are true descendants of the original semitical inhabitants. Their roots do not lie in Syria or Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt, but rather the only country they have ever known as their homeland, the land of Palestine.

You could not find a Israelite in the state of Israel with a search warrant. Those blond haired-blue eyed Zionist that now occupy the "state" are in no way from the ethic stock of the original Jews who had once lived and occupied a portion of Palestine. History and the biblical account reveals that the original semitic Jews were carried away into slavery and dispersion on several historical occasions by various Kings and Kingdoms. The original Hebrews were carried off into captivity.

Furthermore Joshua said that God had "fulfilled ALL the promises He made to Abraham." Read Joshua 21:43-45.
Every "proof-text" today submitted by "Jews" today or misguided, naïve Christians in support of the occupation of Palestine is an attempt to prove that Christ will establish a Jewish Kingdom in Palestine, therefore the Jews have a biblical right to the land. Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." And the "earthly kingdom" scenario completely fails to correctly receive the intended meanings  of the Messianic prophecies, even the Jews of Jesus' day rejected Him as the Messiah simply because He did not "fit" their ideas and "interpretation" of how the Messiah of Israel (and the world) would act and live.

History reveals that America has poured money and blood into a Zionist movement that has never been in a covenant relationship with God. Neither the followers of Mohammed nor the Zionist Jew of today believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah.
Is God pouring out His wrath on nations today using Isis as He did Rome on ancient Israel?  Time will tell.
The people who support the so called Zionist are not doing the will of Christ Jesus.

The Jews or the Arabs have no hope of anything, the only hope is Jesus Christ and all Christians should know that is a fact and the truth.

I have no interest in the Land, Jesus said for all to come too him and then there is no such thing as Jew or Gentile because Salvation is in Christ, end of story.

TruthScientist

what you say is true... we are told by God to pray for the peace of Israel not support their stupidity when they do it...  Israel is having the issues they are because they still reject the messiah and await another... 

you have only to look at them in the midst of enemies and yet they survive...  the middle east is sort of like my old continent Africa disunite and thus subject to all types of schemes that keep them down...  they will be so even in the 7 year great tribulation when the ac will allow them to rebuild the temple and commence sacrifices there in...   

Israel is not that complicated...

PeteWaldo

#34
Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28
The state of Israel now ruled by a political Zionist organization is of no comparison to the Land promised to Abraham and his descendants.

You don''t seem to understand what the restoration of God's people to their/my land is about:

Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.  23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

A fulfillment of prophecy so stunning that recognition of the same should cause even the heathen to know He is Lord. But supersessionists....... oh well.

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28Makes little difference to many that the land of Palestine .....

Any surprise you prefer the name that Satan put on the lips of second century pagan Roman emperor Hadrian for Israel after he vanquished the Jews, in an effort to erase the name of Israel forever, rather than the name that the Old and New Testaments assign to the land?

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28...... has been occupied by the Palestinians: ancient ancestors of the Palestine Arabs of today. The biblical record affirms that the Arabs and Jews were first cousins, being descendants of the one common ancestor, Abraham, by his three wives Sarah, Hagar, and Ketura.

Those Palestine Arabs still living in Palestine are true descendants of the original semitical inhabitants.

God gave you the free will to believe all the lies of taqiyyah and rewritten history Muhammad's followers create to dish out. But rather than 21st century Muhammadans lying in the way of Allah, what are the accounts of actual eye witnesses that arrived at the time Jews began to restore the land, after Muslims had despoiled it over1200 years and abandoned it?

In 1835 Alphonse de Lamartine wrote: "Outside the city of Jerusalem, we saw no living object, heard no living sound. . .a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, in the highways, in the country."[7]

In 1844, William Thackeray writes about the road from Jaffa to Jerusalem: "Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride."[8]

In 1857, the British consul in Palestine, James Finn, reported: "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population."[9]

In 1866, W.M. Thomson writes: "How melancholy is this utter desolation. Not a house, not a trace of inhabitants, not even shepherds, to relieve the dull monotony ...  Much of the country through which we have been rambling for a week appears never to have been inhabited, or even cultivated; and there are other parts, you say, still more barren."[10]

In 1874, Reverend Samuel Manning wrote: "But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude.... Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter — "the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants." (Jeremiah, ch.44 v.22)[12]

Even by the end of the 19th century, most of a century after the restoration of Jews to their land began:

In 1892, B. W. Johnson writes: "In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life... A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cæsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted... I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us."[13]

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28Their roots do not lie in Syria or Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt, but rather the only country they have ever known as their homeland, the land of Palestine.

so sad what happens when people stop seeking out the truth. As Walid Shoebat put it, one night I went to bed a Jordanian, and the next morning I woke up as a Palestinian.

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28You could not find a Israelite in the state of Israel with a search warrant. Those blond haired-blue eyed Zionist that now occupy the "state" are in no way from the ethic stock of the original Jews who had once lived and occupied a portion of Palestine. History and the biblical account reveals that the original semitic Jews were carried away into slavery and dispersion on several historical occasions by various Kings and Kingdoms. The original Hebrews were carried off into captivity. Furthermore Joshua said that God had "fulfilled ALL the promises He made to Abraham."

Such as giving them the land of Israel as an everlasting possession through an everlasting covenant.

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28Read Joshua 21:43-45.
Every "proof-text" today submitted by "Jews" today or misguided, naïve Christians in support of the occupation of Palestine is an attempt to prove that Christ will establish a Jewish Kingdom in Palestine, therefore the Jews have a biblical right to the land. Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." And the "earthly kingdom" scenario completely fails to correctly receive the intended meanings  of the Messianic prophecies, even the Jews of Jesus' day rejected Him as the Messiah simply because He did not "fit" their ideas and "interpretation" of how the Messiah of Israel (and the world) would act and live.

It's so sad that folks have drifted so far away from scripture to  follow after the words of men. But what do we find those great men of God of the Reformation confidently predict through Bible prophecy, centuries before the restoration of Jews to their land began to take place?

John Owen 1616-1683: "The Jews shall be gathered from all parts of the earth where they are scattered, and brought home into their homeland."

Thomas Brightman 1562-1607: "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

Matthew Henry 1662-1714: "If God will build Jerusalem for the people and their comfort, they must inhabit it for him and his glory. The promises and privileges with which God's people are blessed, should engage us to join them, whatever it costs us."

Isaac Newton 1642-1726: "Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious"

Quote from: Tyler on Mon Nov 16, 2015 - 13:15:28History reveals that America has poured money and blood into a Zionist movement that has never been in a covenant relationship with God. Neither the followers of Mohammed nor the Zionist Jew of today believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah.
Is God pouring out His wrath on nations today using Isis as He did Rome on ancient Israel?  Time will tell.

The scriptures suggests times God gives strong delusion to those that don't have a love of truth. Since you seem perfectly content to identify with your fellow supersessionst fruit in the anti-Zionist tree some of which I listed, there isn't really anything more I can do to help you. It sickens my heart to even engage with supersessionists and all that would likely result in is increasing your resolve to continue down the path you are on, so I'll close my participation with this post.

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