Jesus Christ Does Not Return with the Elect, but with His Holy Angels

[cgaviria]

This study explains why Jesus Christ does not return with the elect, but with his holy angels. The study can be found in English here http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2017/02/06/jesus-christ-does-not-return-with-the-elect-but-with-his-holy-angels/ and in Spanish here http://www.sabiduriadedios.co/2017/02/06/jesucristo-no-regresa-con-los-elegidos-sino-con-sus-angeles-santos/ . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

[Noblemen]

This study explains why Jesus Christ does not return with the elect, but with his holy angels. The study can be found in English here http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2017/02/06/jesus-christ-does-not-return-with-the-elect-but-with-his-holy-angels/ and in Spanish here http://www.sabiduriadedios.co/2017/02/06/jesucristo-no-regresa-con-los-elegidos-sino-con-sus-angeles-santos/ . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

Why even bring up points that do not matter. You seem to enjoy being outcast, like your a modern day Bonnie and Clyde.

[RB]

Revelation 19:14~"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

These are NOT angels, but saints who have been given fine linen~WHITE and CLEAN made so by the blood of Jesus Christ.

1st Thess. 4:14-17~"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

We (alive saints) shall meet the Lord in the air with the resurrected saints, and THEN return ALL in a twinkling of an eye to destroy Jesus' enemies!

[cgaviria]

Revelation 19:14~"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

These are NOT angels, but saints who have been given fine linen~WHITE and CLEAN made so by the blood of Jesus Christ.

1st Thess. 4:14-17~"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

We (alive saints) shall meet the Lord in the air with the resurrected saints, and THEN return ALL in a twinkling of an eye to destroy Jesus' enemies!

The battle of Armageddon happens after the second coming of Jesus Christ, and after the seven trumpets, and at the finality of the seven bowls of wrath. So obviously the elect would already be with Jesus Christ at the point of this great battle, because they would've already been gathered at the final trumpet sound, at the Day of Atonement which is after the Festival of Trumpets, where the dead will be raised and gathered together to meet the Lord in the air. Even that very passage you quoted in Thessalonians speaks of the trumpet, for Jesus Christ comes at the end of the sixth seal, to then sound the seven trumpets, for he comes with the sound of trumpet. You quote scripture without understanding.

[RB]

The battle of Armageddon happens after the second coming of Jesus Christ, and after the seven trumpets, and at the finality of the seven bowls of wrath. So obviously the elect would already be with Jesus Christ at the point of this great battle, because they would've already been gathered at the final trumpet sound, at the Day of Atonement which is after the Festival of Trumpets, where the dead will be raised and gathered together to meet the Lord in the air. Even that very passage you quoted in Thessalonians speaks of the trumpet, for Jesus Christ comes at the end of the sixth seal, to then sound the seven trumpets, for he comes with the sound of trumpet. You quote scripture without understanding.

Well now, there's not one thing that I said that does not agree with what you are saying here. I agree that the resurrection at the last day takes place at the LAST and FINAL TRUMP~but all will happen AS I SAID in the "twinkling of an eye"~just that fast! INCLUDING the destroying of the wicked and the final judgment. 

[cgaviria]

The battle of Armageddon happens after the second coming of Jesus Christ, and after the seven trumpets, and at the finality of the seven bowls of wrath. So obviously the elect would already be with Jesus Christ at the point of this great battle, because they would've already been gathered at the final trumpet sound, at the Day of Atonement which is after the Festival of Trumpets, where the dead will be raised and gathered together to meet the Lord in the air. Even that very passage you quoted in Thessalonians speaks of the trumpet, for Jesus Christ comes at the end of the sixth seal, to then sound the seven trumpets, for he comes with the sound of trumpet. You quote scripture without understanding.

Well now, there's not one thing that I said that does not agree with what you are saying here. I agree that the resurrection at the last day takes place at the LAST and FINAL TRUMP~but all will happen AS I SAID in the "twinkling of an eye"~just that fast! INCLUDING the destroying of the wicked and the final judgment.

So then why are you deceptively using that passage concerning the battle of Armageddon to try to force a false interpretation that the elect return with Jesus Christ as his coming? It is clear, from various other scriptures, that Jesus Christ returns with his holy angels, to then gather the elect from the four winds of the earth.

[RB]

So then why are you deceptively using that passage concerning the battle of Armageddon to try to force a false interpretation that the elect return with Jesus Christ as his coming? It is clear, from various other scriptures, that Jesus Christ returns with his holy angels, to then gather the elect from the four winds of the earth.

The problem lies with you, not me. Jesus will send his angels to gather together his LIVING elect from the four winds of heaven~yet the dead in Christ will rise FIRST, yet ALL in the "twinkling of an eye" per Paul in 1st Corinthians 15. The resurrection and the second coming is ONE EVENT that takes place at the last trump. NO DECEPTION on my part, but a lack of understanding on your part, sir. I know these verses well:

2nd Thessalonians 1:7,8~"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

Yet we understand such scripture in light of ALL scriptures. The LIVING ELECT WILL NOT proceed DEAD SAINTS, but they shall be raised FIRST, as far as order goes, yet again...ALL in "the "twinkling of an eye""...which means ONLY God can separate the time between them, not us.   

[cgaviria]

So then why are you deceptively using that passage concerning the battle of Armageddon to try to force a false interpretation that the elect return with Jesus Christ as his coming? It is clear, from various other scriptures, that Jesus Christ returns with his holy angels, to then gather the elect from the four winds of the earth.

The problem lies with you, not me. Jesus will send his angels to gather together his LIVING elect from the four winds of heaven~yet the dead in Christ will rise FIRST, yet ALL in the "twinkling of an eye" per Paul in 1st Corinthians 15. The resurrection and the second coming is ONE EVENT that takes place at the last trump. NO DECEPTION on my part, but a lack of understanding on your part, sir. I know these verses well:

2nd Thessalonians 1:7,8~"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

Yet we understand such scripture in light of ALL scriptures. The LIVING ELECT WILL NOT proceed DEAD SAINTS, but they shall be raised FIRST, as far as order goes, yet again...ALL in "the "twinkling of an eye""...which means ONLY God can separate the time between them, not us.

The raising of the dead first before all are gathered together, LIVING OR FORMERLY DEAD (BUT NOW LIVING AFTER THE ARE RAISED), and ALL taken to meet the Lord has nothing to do with the false assertion you made that the elect will return with Jesus Christ, as if they were in heaven all along. Just admit you were wrong, that Jesus Christ returns with his holy angels, not the elect as you insinuated, and we can surely move on to other topics.

[RB]

The raising of the dead first before all are gathered together, LIVING OR FORMERLY DEAD (BUT NOW LIVING AFTER THE ARE RAISED), and has nothing toALL taken to meet the Lord do with the false assertion you made that the elect will return with Jesus Christ, as if they were in heaven all along. Just admit you were wrong, that Jesus Christ returns with his holy angels, not the elect as you insinuated, and we can surely move on to other topics.

Sir, I never said that they shall be taken to meet the Lord, for I do not believe that. The dead in Christ shall indeed be raised first just as Paul said~but it is their body that shall be raised~their spirits God WILL bring WITH HIM! So, it is you that's confused, not me.

1st Thessaolonnias 4:13-17~"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

has nothing to do with the false assertion you made that the elect will return with Jesus Christ, as  if they were in heaven all along.

Well now, you have a serious problem explaining WHO are the ones Christ is bringing with him? Paul said it was

even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING with him

You are one confused person.

[TheMatrixHasU71]

That is not correct

Jude 1:14   | View whole chapter   | See verse in context
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, (not angels)