Gods Sabbath Day

[OxyMoron]

The God of Abraham is very real. These WORDS will come to pass. HAVE FAITH.

[CSloan]

Heres some passages I was looking over concerning the seventh day, and the Sabbath for God's people. I thought I might share my thoughts, and reflect with those who are serious about learning what the Word of God says.

Not just finding another point of doctrine to become dogmatic or divisive about.

[span style=\'color:red\']Hbr 4:1   Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hbr 4:2   For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
Hbr 4:3   For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hbr 4:4   For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Hbr 4:5   And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Hbr 4:6   Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hbr 4:7   Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Hbr 4:8   For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Hbr 4:9   There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hbr 4:10   For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
Hbr 4:11   Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.[/span]

So again I can see how the Sabbath was just a shadow of what was to come, and be fulfilled in Christ.

[span style=\'color:red\']Col 2:16   Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.[/span]

-Charles

[OxyMoron]

Charles, as for Col.2 i posted 4 different sets of scriptures concerning the holy days, new moons and feast days. Instead of taking 1 line out of the bible for your own private interpretation let the scriptures interpret themselves. Didnt you believe all those scriptures i posted on the subject? If you find something that you disagree with in those 4 posts about the holy days, new moons and the sabbath days bring it to my attention so we can discuss it. OK.

[OxyMoron]

Charles, you also posted Hebrews 4 as a reason for not keeping Gods sabbath day. Wouldnt it be a good idea to look into Hebrews 3 in order to figure out what Hebrews 4 is talking about?

HEBREWS 3 [12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; [15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. [16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. [17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? [18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? [19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

(out of Egypt - into the wilderness –destoyed them that believe not)

The above new testament passage says you can deny God and Jesus,and walk in the spirit of unbelief. So who are these people and why were they killed in the wilderness? The answer would be very important, as this passage tells us NOT to do as they did and walk with an evil heart of unbelief.

EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

(out of Egypt - into the wilderness - polluted HIS SABBATHS - destroyed them)

When we go back to the old testament to see exactly what the new testament is talkin about we find that Hebrews 3 is speaking of those who did not keep the sabbath and how the Lord was to destroy them in the wilderness because of unbelief. So the scripture in Hebrews 3 is telling us, as believers we must keep the sabbath.

DEUT.5[15] And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

(remember-out of Egypt-Keep the Sabbath)

HEBREWS 4 [1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest,

Those that do believe, because of FAITH keep Gods sabbath rest and those with the spirit of unbelief do not. Thats what it says Charles.

[OxyMoron]

So what does Hebrews 4 say?

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Don't come up short. Have faith in the WORD. Enter into Gods rest. His sabbath day.

[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Yup, the 7th day. That's Gods sabbath day alright.

[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Some, to whom it was first preached had the spirit of unbelief and did not enter the sabbath rest (Ezek.20). They were destroyed. Do you hear his voice today? Right now. Don't harden your heart as they did.

[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

You've heard the many say

[CSloan]

Instead of taking 1 line out of the bible for your own private interpretation let the scriptures interpret themselves.

OxyMoron,

Ok. Heres two.

[span style=\'color:red\']Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.[/span]

This shouldn't seems like a private interpretation, since I'm not commenting on the text. I am just allowing the Scripture speak for itself. I recommend you try it.

-Charles[/color]

[edpobre]

That is NOT the issue oxymoron. The issue is: Do Christians HAVE to OBSERVE Sabbath? The answer is NO because Christ said that \"it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.\"

So what your saying is, its a \"bad thing\" to obey God and keep His commandments.

oxymoron,

Did I say \"it is a bad thing to obey God and His commandments?\" Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about oxymoron. Hasn't anybody taught you that OBEYING Christ is OBEYING God?

God COMMANDS people to LISTEN to His Son (Matt. 17:5). God SENT His Son into the world, so that whoever BELIEVES His Son shall NOT perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

Do you belong to the PAST oxymoron? In the past, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but spoke to US in these last days by His Son (Heb. 1:1-2). That's why God COMMANDS people to LISTEN to His Son (Matt. 17:5).

You better BELIEVE and OBEY what Jesus says because everything Jesus says is a COMMAND from God (John 12:49) and anyone who does NOT elieve the Son is CONDEMNED already.

If Jesus says, \"it is LAWFUL to do GOOD on the Sabbath\" in answer to the Jews' accusation that he BROKE the Sabbath, you better believe it oxymoron!

Ed[/color]

[edpobre]

TRUE Christians do not observe a \"rest day\" or what most people call Sabbath. The day of rest for TRUE Christians is the second coming of Christ when they will rest from their labors - in he Holy City.

Hi. Is this the city your looking for?

REV. 3 [10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. [11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. [12] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

REV. 22 [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

According to James, you shouldnt leave out the 4th

Do you believe these new testament scriptures will stand?  Or do you believe that you have a special "in" with God? You don't need to keep the sabbath day, you can wear graven images around your neck. You can forsake Gods law and keep not His commandments, and still be crowned and enter into the kingdom.

oxymoron, either you are so sabbath-oriented that you see sabbath whenever you read \"commandments\" or like the rest, you have a magic magnifying glass that shows sabbath in the verses you quoted above.

These verses are NOT talking about sabbath at all! One of God's COMMNDMENTS which one MUST keep in order to enter the Holy City is first and foremost, LISTEN to God's Son (Mat. 17:5), BELIEVE God's Son (John 3:16, 18, 36), and OBEY God's Son (2 John 9).

God's Son says \"it is LAWFUL to DO good on the Sabbath\" (Matt. 12:12). Are you LISTENING oxymoron? Don't you BELIEVE God's Son? Does this look like \"OBSERVING the Sabbath to you?\"

Do you believe yourself to be SUPERIOR to Jesus that you don't even care to look at what Jesus said?

oxymoron, you may observe Sabbath all your life but you REJECT what Jesus says and you will end up at the lake of fire. That's for sure!

The new testament says that the many will be decieved. Don't be among them. Don't follow the words of man. Follow the scriptures, be crowned and enter the city.

You have already been deceived oxymoron. First, you REJECT Jesus' teaching that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). CONTRARY to what you believe, Jesus is NOT \"God in the flesh.\" He is SIMPLY a man.

Second, you REJECT Jesus' teaching that \"it is LAWFUL to DO good on the Sabbath\" (Matt. 12:12).You must realize oxymoron that whoever TAUGHT you to OBSERVE sabbath CONTRARY to what Jesus TAUGHT is NOT and will NEVER be superior to Jesus.

Ed[/color]

[OxyMoron]

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oxymoron, you may observe Sabbath all your life but you REJECT what Jesus says and you will end up at the lake of fire. That's for sure!

No question about that.  Gotta follow all 10 and have faith in Jesus to reach the kingdom.But is it you or i who rejects His words? Plus, the lake of fire thing? Scripture is clear. Those (all) who do not make it to the kingdom will be judged equally. Ghandi, Hitler, Hiawatha, and yogi Berra. Maybe you, maybe me. All judged by those commandments which have their dealings with man. Thats what the scriptures say. As my creator says (are not my ways equal). They sure as hell are!

[OxyMoron]

Ya know Ed
We will ALL stand before the Holy One of Israel. Alls i have to go by is the scriptures. I will try to follow them. Some will try to enter through doctrines of various religions. And there are many of them. Buy there are to many warnings in the Word against following others. Its kinda a lonley way to travel through this world. Specially when so many claim to be looking and believing. I have to stick with the scriptures. I will overcome the world. Or i wont. There will be no middle ground.

[OxyMoron]

Lets look into iniquity

LEV.5 [17] And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

Break commandments=iniquity

NUMBERS 15 [31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

Break commandments=iniquity

PSALMS 89 [30] If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;[31] If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;[32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

Break commandments=iniquity

MATT.7 [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Ye that work iniquity=I never knew you

1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Theres the children that know the Lord.

JEREMIAH 16 [9] For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. [10] And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God? [11] Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;

Verses 14 and 15 of this chapter in Jeremiah speaks of the gathering of Gods people (in the twinkling of an eye) to the 1000 yr period of rest (go read it). At that time, the many (Matt.7) will ask "what is our iniquity

[OxyMoron]

Lets look into righteousness

1JOHN2  [28] And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.[29] If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

DEUT.6  [25] And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments. OBSERVE TO DO! We will fall short.

PSALM 119 [172] My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.[173] Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.[174] I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

For all thy commandments are righteousness. Also mentioned here is salvation. Being saved.

ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

LORD-REDEEMER-HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL (no question as to who that is). The new testament says Jesus was the WORD of God that became flesh. The only WORD of God around when Jesus came was the old testament. In Isaiah our Redeemer tells us we are to keep the commandments if we are to be righteous.

The new testament says the same thing the old testament said.

1COR.15 [34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1 JOHN 3 [7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

LUKE 1 [6] And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

PSALM 7 [6] Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.[7] So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.[8] The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.[9] Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

You have heard some people say that we will not be judged by our own righteousness. We only need believe in Jesus and his righteousness and nothing more. Psalm 7 speaks of the time when Christ shall return to this earth to judge the people. Read it for yourself. Its very clear.

1 PETER 4 [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

And if not for the gift of "grace

[CSloan]

OxyMoron,

You need to calm down on your double and triple posting. How is anyone supposed to keep track of a thread if your the only one posting on it?

If you need to add something to your post (as I often do), select edit at the top of that post. Then just add to your post. But let someone reply to your posts before just spamming replys.

Happy posting.

-Charles

[OxyMoron]

Sorry Csloan
I kinda get excited about the Word of God. Aint it beutiful!

[CSloan]

Sorry Csloan
I kinda get excited about the Word of God. Aint it beutiful!

OxyMoron,

I admire your zeal, I look forward to sharing our convictions and understandings together.

As for edpobre, you can't take him serious. His understanding is darkened {Eph 4:18}, and speaks evil of things he doesn't understand {2Pe 2:12}.

-Charles

[edpobre]

The new testament says Jesus was the WORD of God that became flesh.

oxymoron,

This is a LIE! The New Testament does NOT say \"Jesus was the word that BECAME flesh.\" Please show scripture to prove your allegation.

Ed[/color]

[OxyMoron]

Hello Ed,

John 1:14
   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Wanna know somethin else ED. Jesus made the sabbath day. Thats no lie.

[edpobre]

Hello Ed,

John 1:14
   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Please show me where it says that Jesus is the \"word that was made flesh.\" Tell me oxymoron, who is the Father's Son, the \"word that was made flesh\" or the \"flesh that the word\" turned INTO?

Wanna know somethin else ED. Jesus made the sabbath day. Thats no lie.

The word of God is TRUTH oxymoron (John 17:17). Anything that you CANNOT support with the word of God is a LIE. Now prove to me that \"Jesus made the sabbath day.\"

Ed[/color]

[OxyMoron]

Hi Ed
How you doing?

John 1:1-5
   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

All things were made by him (who? Jesus, the Word of God)

Mark 2:27
   And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The sabbath was made for man

There ya go old buddy. Ya seem to wanna believe whats written in the Word.

Dont take hold of the doctrines of man Ed. Believe the written Word. Jesus OUR Christ said many would come in his name and decieve many. Be amoung the few.

[OxyMoron]

Lets take for instance JOHN 3 {16}

JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

OK. If you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds?

ISAIAH 8 [20] To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

As you can see this scripture from Isaiah is not about ancient Israel. In fact it has not yet come to pass. Its the Day our saviour returns to this earth. Its the DAY OF THE LORD! To the law (10 commandments) and the testimony (Jesus) If they speak not according to these words THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Just as the WORD says in John 3. Do a turn around. Never to late as long as you live. Repent. Keep our Gods 10 commandments. Bring yourself close to your maker. And live.

[OxyMoron]

Hey Ed
Heres a little story line out of the Word of God

PSALM 94  [11] The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.12] Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;[13] That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.

Teach man out of thy law, until pit digged for the wicked

PSALM 119  [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me? [85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

They who are not after the law have dug pits and ALL thy commandments are faithful. Hey Ed, what about the 4th?

PROVERBS 28 [9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.[10] Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.

Those who turn from hearing the law will fall into pit they themselves dug.

PSALM 7 [15] He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.

ISAIAH 24  [3] The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.[4] The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.[5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.[17] Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.[18] And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.[22] And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Well, heres the end of the story. The Day of the Lord. Those that have transgressed the law of God will end up in the pit and scripture says in Revelation that those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus will end up in the Kingdom. Those in the pit will be visited after many days. A thousand years maybe?

REV.20  [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

YUP. A thousand years. Looks like those that do not observe to keep Gods 10 commandments will be having some company in the pit. Kinda makes Saddams wormhole look rather appealing.

The new testament says if you break one of the commandments, you break them all. Has the whole world been decieved as the bible claims? Will good intentions or a warm fuzzy at a sunday go to meeting lead us to the kingdom of God or must we keep His commandments AND have faith in Jesus as the scriptures say. Choose life.

[OxyMoron]

Hi C Sloan
Guess im doing it again! Multiple posts before answers are given. Sorry. But i guess, i really know there are no other answers. Least ways, not out of the Word of God.

[DCR]

OxyMoron,

What do you make of the decision that the Law of Moses was not to be bound on the Gentiles in Acts 15?

Acts 15
   23 They wrote this letter by them:
   The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
   To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

   24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, \"You must be circumcised and keep the law\"--to whom we gave no such commandment-- 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
   Farewell.


Read Acts 15, which gives the discussion that led up to this letter, for more context.

[edpobre]

Hi Ed
How you doing?

John 1:1-5
   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

All things were made by him (who? Jesus, the Word of God)

oxymoron,

Listen to the word of God:

\"Thou, even thou, art Lord ALONE; thou hast MADE heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worship you.

Thou art the Lord the God who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name Abraham\" (Nehemiah 9:6-7).

These verses tell us that the Lord God ALONE made everything. I don't see Jesus HELPING the Lord God MAKE the  heavens and the earth.

And who is this Lord God? Listen oxymoron:

\"Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledges us not; thou O Lord, art our FATHER, our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting\" (Isaiah 63:16).

Is Jesus the Father referred to in these verses? Listen oxymoron:

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, \"Father, the hour has come.... And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom YOU have SENT\" (John 17:3).

You MISINTERPRET what you read oxymoron. All things are NOT made \"by\" Jesus. All things are made \"because of\" Jesus.

Mark 2:27
   And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The sabbath was made for man

There ya go old buddy. Ya seem to wanna believe whats written in the Word.

This shows that you DON'T understand what Jesus said.

In verse 23, Jesus and his disciples went through the grainfields  on the Sabbath and the disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. The Jews said to Jesus (verse 24), \"Look, why do they do what is NOT lawful on a Sabbath?

And he said to them, \"The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.\" This is Jesus' justification for his disciples' breaking the Sabbath. As Jesus said, \"It is LAWFUL to do GOOD on a Sabbath.\"  What the discipl,es did was GOOD in Jesus' eyes.

Dont take hold of the doctrines of man Ed. Believe the written Word. Jesus OUR Christ said many would come in his name and decieve many. Be amoung the few.

Examine yourself very well oxymoron.

Ed[/color]

[OxyMoron]

Hi DCR
And geetings to you to.

ACTS 15 [20]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Well ? I looked into acts and In the context of the full scripture, it was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized. Nothing to do with the 10 commandments or the sabbath. It was the law of circumcism.I also found another new testament scripture about the gentiles, idols, blood, etc. and that scripture to was talking about circumsim but that being said,I decided to also look into what pollution of idols (acts 15 [20])were all about. What I found was quite interesting.

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the Lord your God. [4] Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

I don't know what the connection might be as to why graven images (pollution of idols) are a sign that you don't keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. I do know the churches that do keep the sabbath don't have any standing images or crosses. Well, at least the ones ive seen.

[janine]

So.....

Do I get more points than you if I keep the Sabbath better than you do?

[OxyMoron]

Hi Janine
Of course. But whose gonna keep score? Ed, what are ya doin next Friday at sundown?

[janine]

God's gonna keep score of course.

And I imagine Ed won't be lighting candles at sundown Friday.

[OxyMoron]

Well Janine, im a little scared. Back in 2nd grade a firey little redhead put such a whuppin on me cause i struck her out in a game of softball. It tramatized me for life. Im not sure i want to play.

[OxyMoron]

And who is this Lord God? Listen oxymoron:

\"Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledges us not; thou O Lord, art our FATHER, our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting\" (Isaiah 63:16).

Is Jesus the Father referred to in these verses? Listen oxymoron:

Kinda hard to figure at times Ed. The father and I are one. Hard to understand. But I wanna focus on our \"REDEEMER\" which was written in the scripture you sent. In that scripture you say the REDEEMER is the father. Sure does look that way. Ed could we start a thread on this and try to figure it out? Cause the scriptures below imply Christ as our redeemer.

TITUS 2  [11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;[13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;[14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus Christ. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us

REV.5  [8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.[9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood

The 2 above new testament scriptures point out that Jesus is our redeemer.

ISAIAH 48  [17] Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

OK. So what does our Redeemer say about keeping the 10 commandments? Are you listening to Him Ed?

PSALM 19  [6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.[13] Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.[14] Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

The law (10 commandments) and the testimony? My Redeemer! The "many

[OxyMoron]

Hey Ed
I found another scripture that makes the point that you were trying to get across. Im sure if we look into the scriptures we can figure it out. If we do start a thread on this be patient with me. Ive never done a study on this, and i will make mistakes. Anyways, heres the scripture.

Isaiah 45:5-9
   I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: [6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. [7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

[ollie]

Are not the ekklesia entered into the true sabbath in Christ?

ollie

[OxyMoron]

Hello Ollie
Im not quite sure i know what your asking. Are you saying that you rest in Jesus and He is your sabbath? If thats the case this is what ive found in the scriptures.

2 THES. 1 [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, [8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

When will our rest with Jesus begin?  According to scripture its when he returns.

REVELATIONS 20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This rest with Jesus begins with the 1000 yr period of rest spoken of in Revelations. That's soon after the goins on of 2Thes.1 [7].

ISAIAH 66 [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

And according to the WORD of GOD, his people will still be keeping the sabbath during that 1000 yr period. Ollie, i really dont believe we have a wishy washy God. Keep the sabbath for 4 thousand years, dont worry about it for 2 thousand years but keep it during the 1000 yr period of rest.   Jesus is the same today, yesterday and forever.

PSALMS 132 [8] Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength.[9] Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.[10] For thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.[11] The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.[12] if thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that i shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.[13] For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.[14] This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

Arise into thy rest, this is my rest for ever. And the children of God will also enter this rest IF they keep his covenant (law) and his testimony (of Jesus). Not one or the other as many who have come in his name profess.

ISAIAH 14 [3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear,and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,[4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased![5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.[6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.[7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet:

Above scripture says it all. It shall come to pass in that day (verse 3) the LORD shall give thee rest. Verse 7 says at that time the whole world is at rest. All the bad guys will be gone. 2Thes.1 tells us why. Theres gonna be a fire! The whole world is not at rest at this point in time. If someone is trying to tell you that you dont have to keep GODS sabbath because they are resting in Jesus, maybe, as a friend you should show them these scriptures. The rest with Jesus will not begin until he returns and sets up his kingdom. The land he promised as an inheritance.

DEUT.12  [9] For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.[10] But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;

[OxyMoron]

Sorry, as i told C Sloan for multiple postings but my puter is slow and i have trouble posting most of the time. So when its working well i post as much as i can.

MATT.18 [11] For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. [12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

The Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.[6] My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

My people hath been lost sheep  
they have forgotten their restingplace (they sure have)
let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten (remember the...)

Ollie, In Jeremiah we can find the sheep that Jesus came for. Have the many been decieved, just as the new testament says. The sabbath rest has been forgotten, but as you can see, the lost sheep that Jesus came for will return to the "perpetual covenant

[OxyMoron]

Just a little somethin about paths to walk in and repairs.

JER.6  [16] Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls

ISAIAH 58  [12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight,

ISAIAH 61  [1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;[2] To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;[3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.[4] And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.[5] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.[6] But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

That they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations

PROVERBS 3 [1] My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths