Against Rock & Roll Music in Church!

[grams]

Yes  my son does.....

And if you  listen to music  with a beat, ,,,,  what is your body doing ??

That is the point in the rock and roll  music.

As  I see things  going on  in  movies  were there are bands.
I am now glad my son  changed and knows the  truth.
It took me longer to understand.......  This.........
That's  not  Christian   !   
I am sure positive  GOD  would not like for us to  listen to this.. !!!!!!!

[NorrinRadd]

Yes  my son does.....

And if you  listen to music  with a beat, ,,,,  what is your body doing ??

If it's something like the Petra songs I linked, my body is clapping or raising its hands.  Maybe bobbing around a bit, which is as close as I generally get to "dancing."

You know -- The kind of stuff encouraged in Psa. 149-150.

[faroukfarouk]

If it's something like the Petra songs I linked, my body is clapping or raising its hands.  Maybe bobbing around a bit, which is as close as I generally get to "dancing."

You know -- The kind of stuff encouraged in Psa. 149-150.

Some ppl do like hard rock with good Biblical lyrics.

(Though whether it's suitable for a general congregation in church is another matter.)

[NorrinRadd]

Some ppl do like hard rock with good Biblical lyrics.

(Though whether it's suitable for a general congregation in church is another matter.)

Yeah, that's true.  :-/  Some of the ones I linked are more usable that way than others.

Take Me In isn't particularly "rocky," but I really like it.

One thing I like about a lot of Petra's praise songs is the words and imagery drawn from Scripture.  But even that can go awry.  I remember back in the day, we used to sing a song called, "Blow a Trumpet in Zion."  It was not a "rock" style song, but did have a very upbeat tempo.  It was pleasing to sing.  But then I realized the lyrics were taken completely out of context.  I mean really, does the celebratory tone of this really fit the context of the first half of Joel 2?

[grams]

Well,  my time  for music  was in the 1950's.

And it  was rock and roll......

Now living with my son...........  I have learned that's not good...

So....... no more for me and the  family of  11  of us......

[Willie T]

Well,  my time  for music  was in the 1950's.

And it  was rock and roll......

Now living with my son...........  I have learned that's not good...

So....... no more for me and the  family of  11  of us......

THAT is going to take a bit of explanation. (Other than just "the fear of a beat". About the only instruments they had in the ancient times were percussion.  Moses' sister even led a dance troupe, playing the tambourine.)
Many of us really let the Legalism of the Victorian Era warp our view of God.  Even if we never lived in those times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx9RXPFdAN0

[Dulcie]

Some of you guys might like to check out the Rev's Garth Hewitt:  http://www.garthhewitt.org/biog/

Many years ago Garth felt called to enter the ministry of Christ and joined Greenbelt https://www.greenbelt.org.uk/artists/garth-hewitt/

He's reached many people in the secular music business and brought many to Christ through his music ministry. Incidentally his brother Gavin Hewitt, also a born again Christian is a war corresepondent for the BBC. Both brothers became Christians in their teens. They have a fantastic ministry reaching out through broadcasting to open air rock concerts. I have huge admiration for them. 

[Alan]

I don't like rock n roll music in church, but I do like many (secular) rock bands in my leisure time or when driving.

[grams]

I think the  bad music  started in my time ,  in the 1930's.....

And  just before that time the  radio, which started it all over..

[faroukfarouk]

I think it's the lyrics which count for a lot.

Some styles of music are probably less suited for general congregational use.

[grams]

The   beat ,,,,,,,,,,,  it gets the   body moving  in a bad way, and the
mind will sooner or later  join it..........  no  good ........

[RB]

                                                                                                               Biblical Singing

Psalm 40:1-3~"I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

1. God made your vocal cords and the ability to switch from talking to melodic resonating.

2. The devil has always tried to ape the worship of Jehovah, and he has done so with music.

3. The world obsesses about music, but its music at best is hopeless and/or meaningless

4. Musical is powerful (called the language of the soul), and the best example is David playing skillfully for King Saul to drive evil spirits away and refresh him (I Sam 16:14-23).

5. The first song in the Bible is the song of Moses (Exodus 15:1-19), where Miriam led the women of Israel in dancing to these ferocious and glorious words of praise (Ex 15:20-21).

6. The same song with some additions and modifications is also the last song (Rev 15:3-4).

7. David, the man after God's own heart, was God's musician by numerous abilities, accomplishments, and influences: at the least, he wrote lyrics, organized choirs and orchestras, and invented musical instruments (Amos 6:5; I Chron 23:5; II Chr 29:26; etc.).

8. He established constant singing in the house of the LORD (I Chr 6:31-33; 9:33; 16:36-43).

9. Consider the intensity and variety when they moved the Ark the first time (I Chron 13:8).

10. Consider moving it the second time (I Chron 15:16,19-22,24,27-28; I Chron 16:7,36-43).

11. Consider the size of the choir David organized and arranged for singing (I Chron 23:5,30).

12. Consider the emphasis in David's psalms (Ps 47:6-7; 92:1; 104:33; 146:2; 147:1; etc., etc.).

13. David loved new songs, for they are creative worship (Ps 33:2; 96:1; 98:1; 144:9; 149:1).

14. David wanted skilful singing and playing, and he wanted it loud (Psalm 33:3; 98:4; 150:5).

15. David wanted singing with understanding, just like Paul required (Ps 47:7; I Cor 14:14-15). 16. Solomon dedicated the temple by his father David's example (II Chron 5:11-14; 7:6; 8:14).

17. They were still following David 340 (II Chr 29:25-30) and 440 years later (II Chron 35:15).

18. The Son of David, our Lord Jesus Christ, sang as well, for it was prophesied of Him and fulfilled by Him (Psalm 22:22; Heb 2:12; Matt 26:30; Mark 14:26).

19. We Gentiles are brought right beside David by Paul's use of Psalm 18:49 in Romans 15:9.

20. The most important part of singing is the words and the least important the musical skill of your singing, for the melody that counts most is the one in your heart (Eph 5:19; Col 3:16).

21. The two most definitive verses about N.T. singing teach these things (Eph 5:19; Col 3:16): The doctrinal words are important by virtue of speaking, teaching, and admonishing. There are three kinds of lyrical compositions used – psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. The musical component for the New Testament is singing, only singing, not playing. The basis and foundation of singing are abundant grace and Christ's word and wisdom. The origin and source of the melody that matters most is a heart prepared and directed. The further and ultimate object and purpose is praise to the Lord as the goal of singing.

22. When should you sing? The Bible says to sing psalms when you are merry (James 5:13).

23. When should you sing? The Bible describes Paul singing when very afflicted (Acts 16:25).

24. By considering both of the above, there is no time not to sing, so sing in spite of feelings or circumstances; the only effect either should have might be the kind of words or melody.

25. The sacrifices of purified sons of Levi include singing His praise (Mal 3:3-4; Heb 13:15).

26. Singing in church assemblies should be appreciated, esteemed, and participated in with great love and zeal for the Lord and saints. It is a congregational ordinance when together.

27. Much more could be said, has been said, and shall be said. So grab a hymnal and sing UNTO THE LORD based on pure doctrine, or at least as much as possible.

[Dulcie]

I love being among Christians happily rejoicing the Lord, free in spirit and body raising their hands in worship and in praise and if that means a musician is playing out chords and singing along, that is great worship wherever one is!

I think though there is a time and a place in church when we need as a congregation to be quiet in reverence and awe. During our church's Eucharist the band plays music from the Taizé community and my friend with her beautiful violin from Cremona will play solo...and then that time of worship in Communion becomes deeply moving; very special, and personal.

[Faithbuilders]

I love to praise and worship music in my church, the praise is up-beat, and we can dance hard (like David did), and worship is wonderful, I just soak in the presence of God. Psalms talks about loud cymbals and dancing like crazy, and it also talks about raising hands and laying before the Lord. The music is not the issue as much as what you are singing, and the spirit behind the music.

[faroukfarouk]

I think though there is a time and a place in church when we need as a congregation to be quiet in reverence and awe.

Good point!

[Dulcie]

Good point!

Actually I do like rock, but not hard rock which I'm not sure is applicable to church worship if the congregation can't hear lyrics clearly! Then hard rock in worshipful praise just becomes a meaningless mish-mash of twangy cords and crashing cymbols and drums. Except it's the uplifting spiritual side to the music that counts, raising a person's heart to worship Jesus in fullness and in freedom of one's own self-expression; in the raising of the hands and in the swelling of our hearts. And when soft percussion comes in, then it will move people to dance like David did because there is worship in graceful dance if only we can free ourselves of shyness and move with the Spirit of God!

I'm a highly skilled musician; I excel when when I'm really deep, deep into my instrument - in this case my vintage 1959 Gibson Les Paul - and yet I have to be sensitive to our peoples' shift of mood when the Holy Spirit comes to move among the congregation. You see, half the time it's not really to do with volume in playing so loud, hammering out the strings with my right hand, but I can flick-finger when I'm playing quick things on the guitar's neck - and continue into playing a lot of notes in a quick and chorderly way. This means as a musician I find it's actually very easy to move between single notes and chords and little bits of chords and little drops and runs and all sorts of things on an electric; you can bend the strings to move notes a little bit, imitating another sound that matches the congregation's singing in the Spirit... in all, you can play really complicated chords, yet I use a pedal to swell a note in like it's being bowed on a cello and that which I've tried to explain is how I am in being sensitive to the Holy Spirit's moving during church worship.

During a service it takes a really sensitive musician to quieten down their playing...drifting down from rising notes into falling notes when people are moved to utter spiritual tongues in worship and in praise. And that is how I love leading our congregation instead of believing that rock and roll has to dominate church worship. I like being seen as a cool cat, rather than one who belts out the chords. That would much rather be at an open air festival. Don't know if I made sense here... kinda get carried away.  ::blush::

[faroukfarouk]

Actually I do like rock, but not hard rock which I'm not sure is applicable to church worship if the congregation can't hear lyrics clearly! Then hard rock in worshipful praise just becomes a meaningless mish-mash of twangy cords and crashing cymbols and drums. Except it's the uplifting spiritual side to the music that counts, raising a person's heart to worship Jesus in fullness and in freedom of one's own self-expression; in the raising of the hands and in the swelling of our hearts. And when soft percussion comes in, then it will move people to dance like David did because there is worship in graceful dance if only we can free ourselves of shyness and move with the Spirit of God!

I'm a highly skilled musician; I excel when when I'm really deep, deep into my instrument - in this case my vintage 1959 Gibson Les Paul - and yet I have to be sensitive to our peoples' shift of mood when the Holy Spirit comes to move among the congregation. You see, half the time it's not really to do with volume in playing so loud, hammering out the strings with my right hand, but I can flick-finger when I'm playing quick things on the guitar's neck - and continue into playing a lot of notes in a quick and chorderly way. This means as a musician I find it's actually very easy to move between single notes and chords and little bits of chords and little drops and runs and all sorts of things on an electric; you can bend the strings to move notes a little bit, imitating another sound that matches the congregation's singing in the Spirit... in all, you can play really complicated chords, yet I use a pedal to swell a note in like it's being bowed on a cello and that which I've tried to explain is how I am in being sensitive to the Holy Spirit's moving during church worship.

During a service it takes a really sensitive musician to quieten down their playing...drifting down from rising notes into falling notes when people are moved to utter spiritual tongues in worship and in praise. And that is how I love leading our congregation instead of believing that rock and roll has to dominate church worship. I like being seen as a cool cat, rather than one who belts out the chords. That would much rather be at an open air festival. Don't know if I made sense here... kinda get carried away.  ::blush::

My wife and I went to some meetings hoping to enjoy some Biblical sermons and there was electronic music that was so loud that my wife got a headache and had to leave the auditorium.

Like you say, good to keep the volume down.

I'm sure you are skilled. (Maybe you could have become a professional musician if you had not become a jeweler...)

[Dulcie]

My wife and I went to some meetings hoping to enjoy some Biblical sermons and there was electronic music that was so loud that my wife got a headache and had to leave the auditorium.

Like you say, good to keep the volume down.

I'm sure you are skilled. (Maybe you could have become a professional musician if you had not become a jeweler...)

Been playing since teaching myself at 12...even when heavily preggy at 14, was strumming my acoustic which is such a beautiful friendly thing. It's probably Peg is so musical now.  But the sight of my Grandmother's sparkling jewels attracted me to learn this craft, whereas becoming a musician would not guarantee a regular income. When one is alone and trying to figure a career, the only option was to make jewellery a business. At 16 I was already selling semiprecious stone bracelets, jotting down every sale and maxing out a profit. My Aunt said stick to jewellery and make it a worthwile career, so I did.

[faroukfarouk]

Been playing since teaching myself at 12...even when heavily preggy at 14, was strumming my acoustic which is such a beautiful friendly thing. It's probably Peg is so musical now.  But the sight of my Grandmother's sparkling jewels attracted me to learn this craft, whereas becoming a musician would not guarantee a regular income. When one is alone and trying to figure a career, the only option was to make jewellery a business. At 16 I was already selling semiprecious stone bracelets, jotting down every sale and maxing out a profit. My Aunt said stick to jewellery and make it a worthwile career, so I did.

Sounds like you were around your aunt a lot in those days.

Another thing about being a full time musician is that you are on the road a lot; and this can impact young children.

Yes, some older ladies do wear a lot of jewelry; and have multiples earring in a row, etc. Seems like this set you thinking.

[Dulcie]

Sounds like you were around your aunt a lot in those days.

Another thing about being a full time musician is that you are on the road a lot; and this can impact young children.

Yes, some older ladies do wear a lot of jewelry; and have multiple earring in a row, etc. Seems like this set you thinking.

My aunt watched over me and helped when Peggy was young and sometimes difficult like all young ones. Without my two aunts I'd never have coped. Being a young mother to a child is a repellent to guys looking for a date. Not that I was at all interested in a romantic way. Never have been, and now I feel quite content just being single. Having Peg close to me is so lovely because she says she wants to be. Whereas not all children feel the same.

Wearing lots of jewellery, I'm a walking advertisement for my business, but my ears are thankfully left whole except for my lobes...is enough for me. I like seeing older ladies showing off their jewellery. They're reached a certain age and collected beautiful pieces down the years; a kind of restrained elegance of good taste and doubtless well invested since even Rolex watches have increased in value. I love a nice timepiece, too.