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It was a landslide. A positive one. 4 to 0 ::clappingoverhead::

Thank you all
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Re: Informal poll on reopening or staying closed.
« Reply #1 on: Thu May 21, 2020 - 19:00:27 »
A growing group of doctors are now saying the lockdown is causing more death than the virus. Cardiac arrests are up 800%.
The stress of the lockdown, plus the fear of catching corona at the hospitals equals death in big numbers.

Maybe the people answering the poll would rather die from a heart attack than risk a virus that kills less than 1%.
Probably the people they polled are getting checks while they stay home.


https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/may/doctors-group-warns-lockdowns-doing-more-damage-than-covid-19

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Re: Informal poll on reopening or staying closed.
« Reply #2 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 07:02:43 »
A growing group of doctors are now saying the lockdown is causing more death than the virus. Cardiac arrests are up 800%.
The stress of the lockdown, plus the fear of catching corona at the hospitals equals death in big numbers.

Maybe the people answering the poll would rather die from a heart attack than risk a virus that kills less than 1%.
Probably the people they polled are getting checks while they stay home.


https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/may/doctors-group-warns-lockdowns-doing-more-damage-than-covid-19

I am glad the doctors are finally catching up with The Man, The Myth, The Legend!   rofl

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Re: Informal poll on reopening or staying closed.
« Reply #3 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 11:04:40 »
Will be taking this off.

No one ever votes in polls

It is stupid to keep trying

I am stupid

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Re: Informal poll on reopening or staying closed.
« Reply #3 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 11:04:40 »
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Re: Informal poll has closed
« Reply #4 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 13:19:07 »
I don't think its an either or situation, but a slow careful releasing of lockdown is the way I believe.

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Re: Informal poll on reopening or staying closed.
« Reply #5 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 19:09:19 »
Will be taking this off.

No one ever votes in polls

It is stupid to keep trying

I am stupid

Girl, I voted in your poll!

I think polls are fun, but rarely post one anymore because you and I were usually the only participants.  rofl (not that there's anything wrong with that)

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Re: Informal poll has closed. It was a tie.
« Reply #6 on: Sat May 23, 2020 - 07:51:40 »
Thanks,

I just saw that there are 3 replies.

It was not showing me any replies until this AM..... but then  rofl we all know I have issues all the time.

I will modify to correct, once again.

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My economy was never closed, nor was I ever locked down, nor would I have ever accepted either. Such would have to be forced upon me. At which point I would choose between liberty or death, or whatever penalty was being imposed. My rights and freedoms come from God, not any institution or governmental institutions of men. The reaction of this country at large reveals that the intention of the government formed by the founding fathers of this nation, has already been long gone. We are no longer a nation with government for and by the people. We are overwhelmingly a nation of sheeple, most of whom are no longer even capable of, or care to defend their rights. They simply cannot even any longer see when their rights are being taken from them, or care about the dangers involved. So be it.   

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My economy was never closed, nor was I ever locked down, nor would I have ever accepted either. Such would have to be forced upon me. At which point I would choose between liberty or death, or whatever penalty was being imposed. My rights and freedoms come from God, not any institution or governmental institutions of men. The reaction of this country at large reveals that the intention of the government formed by the founding fathers of this nation, has already been long gone. We are no longer a nation with government for and by the people. We are overwhelmingly a nation of sheeple, most of whom are no longer even capable of, or care to defend their rights. They simply cannot even any longer see when their rights are being taken from them, or care about the dangers involved. So be it.

+1 Amo.  Well stated.

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I did vote.


 Back to the original topic, I believe this issue has become a geographical concern based on what we've learned in this short time.

If you live in one of the countries that had very poor handling of the pandemic like Spain, Italy, or the UK then the concerns may run deeper and the return to normality may be delayed.

Problem now is that we've applied one-size-fits-all governing to places that were out of the hot zone of to and fro travelling. We did our part, now let us out.

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I spent the afternoon decorating graves in three different cemeteries in NE Oklahoma. Even though I stayed within a 60 mile radius of my home, I had the opportunity to see several different communities/towns and see how many people were out and about.

Golf courses very busy.
Two soccer fields extremely busy with teams playing. (Surprised me.)
BMX track busy as can be.
Lots of car traffic and parking lots fairly full.

The only place that looked surprisingly sparse was when I passed over a large lake and counted only 4 boats - that I could see. We're in the 80s, and this is Memorial Day weekend, so I just expected to see the lake full of boats.  ::shrug::

So except for the practically deserted lake - everything looked normal.






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I did vote.


 Back to the original topic, I believe this issue has become a geographical concern based on what we've learned in this short time.

If you live in one of the countries that had very poor handling of the pandemic like Spain, Italy, or the UK then the concerns may run deeper and the return to normality may be delayed.

Problem now is that we've applied one-size-fits-all governing to places that were out of the hot zone of to and fro travelling. We did our part, now let us out.

The countries you mention were hit very hard and very fast, with a strain apparently worse than that in many other parts of the world. I believe we handled it well, and continue to do so, hence the numbers of deaths coming down so much now. A slow release from lockdown is the way to go, in the USA as well, although cases there are still growing fast in some parts. While cases are growing its not time to release lockdown. 

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My economy was never closed, nor was I ever locked down, nor would I have ever accepted either. Such would have to be forced upon me. At which point I would choose between liberty or death, or whatever penalty was being imposed. My rights and freedoms come from God, not any institution or governmental institutions of men. The reaction of this country at large reveals that the intention of the government formed by the founding fathers of this nation, has already been long gone. We are no longer a nation with government for and by the people. We are overwhelmingly a nation of sheeple, most of whom are no longer even capable of, or care to defend their rights. They simply cannot even any longer see when their rights are being taken from them, or care about the dangers involved. So be it.
 

Just a question, where in the Bible does it talks about our 'rights.' Rights to ignore the health of others, rights to disobey our leaders when we are told to obey them, that they are put there by God. Rights to do what we want rather than what is best for those around us?   

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Just a question, where in the Bible does it talks about our 'rights.' Rights to ignore the health of others, rights to disobey our leaders when we are told to obey them, that they are put there by God. Rights to do what we want rather than what is best for those around us?
Where in the Bible does it talk about chosenone being an expert on virus mitigation and knowing what's best for the entire world? Where in the Bible does it mention that chosenone should advise us to ignore the health of others who are dying from untreated illnesses and despair because they're too afraid to come out and seek help?

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A slow release from lockdown is the way to go, in the USA as well...

That's lame advice.

You handle your own country, but in the USA, since the curve is flattened, we should handle it the way we handle the a bad flu season. Whenever hot spots pop up, we address those, but the whole country doesn't react as if they're the epicenter of the virus - that's stupid and dangerous. In a bad flu season, local authorities will take extra steps to slow the spread in hot spots - closing local schools a few days, disinfecting, reminding citizens to be cautious, especially in high risk groups, etc, but the entire country doesn't follow suit - only the hot spots.


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I did not vote since I missed it, but I will anyway.....YES there should have NEVER been a locked down to begin with.

The damage has been done and the liberal KNOW IT and will use it, just wait and see.

Our President was placed in a NO WIN situation by the left and those who will destroy our nation at any price JUST to get what they want. That's just how stupid they are void of any wisdom...or should I say how EVIL they are or both?!   

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Just a question, where in the Bible does it talks about our 'rights.' Rights to ignore the health of others, rights to disobey our leaders when we are told to obey them, that they are put there by God. Rights to do what we want rather than what is best for those around us?


@chosenone

Where in the bible does it say you dont eat unless you work. hint: 2 Thes 3:10

So when our state governor stands in front of a camera explaining "his" slow roll out plan of opening our state in phases of red, yellow and green. And that it is turning out to be several months in the process as he has move 37 of 67 counties into yellow with the remainder yet to go.... and these 37 took a month to be allowed to move to yellow, which only opened up stores with outside doors... No out side eating at restaurant and NO barber or hairdresses or nails places permitted to open... and his announce ment Friday that a few of the first to go yellow are now in green.... still with wearing maskes, , social distancing and preferable curb side pick up rather then in store action.... ( looking forward to that stock boy bringing bras and panties out to the car) 
but keeping the rest that are still in red, in red until June 5...

That is pretty slow, you have to admit.

And doing what the "God" appointed leader for our state... who gets in from of a mic, perfectly groomed. Not a hair out of place , well cut as is his carefully groomed beard, and has that Cheshire cat smile as he is talking about our sacrifices.... and his transgender spokes person who follows him with commentary... ( even though it pulled its mother from a nursing home in the beginning of this... cause 2/3 of PA deaths have been in nursing homes...)
I say to myself....

Translations have surly missed their mark on leader obeying.

Beauty shops that last evening there was one who has a chain that is over 1 million American dollars in the red for having been shut down by his California Governor.... who may keep that part of the state closed indefinitely....

And a local beauty shop owner who came to check on her shop and found notices all over the front of her place that she has 10 days to get caught up with rent.. been closed for 10 weeks... or she is evicted.

Yep... gotta obey those leaders.

Even if it means permanent closure of your business...

Even if it means you will be hitting the bread lines.... which are growing every week .

Or simply starve and put yourself out of this miserable existence.

Viva la Socialism cause that is what we are living.

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The countries you mention were hit very hard and very fast, with a strain apparently worse than that in many other parts of the world. I believe we handled it well, and continue to do so, hence the numbers of deaths coming down so much now. A slow release from lockdown is the way to go, in the USA as well, although cases there are still growing fast in some parts. While cases are growing its not time to release lockdown.

@TC

You reading.this?

You are good with the stats.

Can you tell us how many percapita deaths... NOT positive cases, cause I know people with a cold that goes into pneumonia and end up in hospital .. but how many per capita deaths there are for covid 19 in Sweden?

And contrast it to the UK and the US?

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Where in the bible does it say you dont eat unless you work. hint: 2 Thes 3:10



She will pretend she doesn't see this one.  rofl

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I did not vote since I missed it, but I will anyway.....YES there should have NEVER been a locked down to begin with.

The damage has been done and the liberal KNOW IT and will use it, just wait and see.

Our President was placed in a NO WIN situation by the left and those who will destroy our nation at any price JUST to get what they want. That's just how stupid they are void of any wisdom...or should I say how EVIL they are or both?!   

+1 RB.

And if they can manage to stretch this out as close to November or past it , to keep the economy down, with little recovery... cause  it  will....

If a Restaurant can only serve 1/3 to 1/2 of normal capacity and a beauty/barber shop serve only 1 at a time....

They are not going to make rent, much less make payroll.

The left wins and we will be solidly socialistic if soon things dont start to break.

God bless POTUS, dear Lord, and keep him safe. He IS the man YOU put into office.
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She will pretend she doesn't see this one.  rofl

+1

Right...

So I did a mini modification.

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=1+1 RB.



I gave him one of those plus ones!  ::noworries::



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If a Restaurant can only serve 1/3 to 1/2 of normal capacity and a beatuy/barber shop only 1 at a time....

They are not going to make rest, mush less make payroll.

Yesterday, I noticed a few restaurants with signs on their marquees stating "inside dining at half capacity" and just shook my head. I know enough about the restaurant business to know they can't stay open running at half capacity. So sad.



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@chosenone I hope you're obeying your leader and headed to the field today to pick veggies and berries. Prince Charles says y'all need an "army" of field workers since the virus has kept the migrant workers and gypsies from coming in to work the fields. So put on your apron and head to the fields, girl! Post pics.  ::smile::


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In CA, at their parks-



Someone forgot to tell them that COVID dies in sunlight. smh

Scaring the masses into bizarre behavior is easier than I imagined.


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Just a question, where in the Bible does it talks about our 'rights.'
Chosenone~I'm going to start a new thread on this very subject. For now, I'm will say this that our CONSCIENCE is the most sacred thing a person possesses, and when religion or government labors to CONTROL our conscience than they are forcing the child of God to make a choice to serve MAN or God, and EVERY child of God will inevitably take the course where their conscience will lead them IF they fear God above man and man's laws~be it religion or state.
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Acts 4:19~"But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye."
In the meantime read here: https://www.elca.org/JLE/Articles/991

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In CA, at their parks-



Someone forgot to tell them that COVID dies in sunlight. smh

Scaring the masses into bizarre behavior is easier than I imagined.

But Newsome says stay clear of beaches.

A attempt to make this extend?

Think about it

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@chosenone I hope you're obeying your leader and headed to the field today to pick veggies and berries. Prince Charles says y'all need an "army" of field workers since the virus has kept the migrant workers and gypsies from coming in to work the fields. So put on your apron and head to the fields, girl! Post pics.  ::smile::

A contrast of the UK to the US

While the population is working their fingers to the bone in the UK, making sure all those berries are picked for the markets~

 In addition to the $16 billion in direct payments, the details of which are expected to be announced shortly, USDA has begun to purchase & distribute up to $3 billion of ag products to those in need through the Food Box Distribution Program.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/19/president-trump-remarks-supporting-farmers-ranchers-and-food-supply-chain-initiatives/

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@chosenone I hope you're obeying your leader and headed to the field today to pick veggies and berries. Prince Charles says y'all need an "army" of field workers since the virus has kept the migrant workers and gypsies from coming in to work the fields. So put on your apron and head to the fields, girl! Post pics.  ::smile::

Wait.  What?

You forgot to mention masks, handsanitizer and social distancing.

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Just a question, where in the Bible does it talks about our 'rights.'

Setting aside the laws of the land - in the Kingdom of God, a Christian wife has the right to not be physically abused by her husband. Prove me wrong.


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Wait.  What?

You forgot to mention masks, handsanitizer and social distancing.

It's quite the dilemma, isn't it?

Her government is saying they need an "army" of field workers, so the Christian thing to do is to get into those blackberry thickets and get to work!

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A quick FYI for all

Do not keep hand sanitizer in your car.

It has alcohol in it and in a very hot car can catch fire.

AM news shows the inside of a drivers door all chard and melted when the hand
sanitizer, kept there ( in the pocket or door handle) over heated and caused a fire.


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Chosenone~I'm going to start a new thread on this very subject. For now, I'm will say this that our CONSCIENCE is the most sacred thing a person possesses, and when religion or government labors to CONTROL our conscience than they are forcing the child of God to make a choice to serve MAN or God, and EVERY child of God will inevitably take the course where their conscience will lead them IF they fear God above man and man's laws~be it religion or state. In the meantime read here: https://www.elca.org/JLE/Articles/991

Unless what we are told or advised to do is against Gods word, then we are told to obey our leaders. It doesn't say obey our leaders if we feel like it, or if we think they are right/wrong, its says do it. Human rights are not in anyway Biblical.

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Unless what we are told or advised to do is against Gods word, then we are told to obey our leaders. It doesn't say obey our leaders if we feel like it, or if we think they are right/wrong, its says do it. Human rights are not in anyway Biblical.

Then you feel that no matter what , so long as it is not forbidden in the bible, because that is the only rule book we have to know what God does or does not command... it is alright.

God says nothing about abortion. Yes, it is killing.... though that cannot be demonstrated as true if one takes a morning after pill ... So if the government sanctions it ~ we have to abide?  Good to know for the Chinese that still
force abortions to limit their population growth.

And if your government causes you to lose your business you have to grin and bear it cause God put them in control.

Good grief.

There are so many examples where the government can harm people or permit harm that are not under God's do not list in his holy word's... so we grin and bear it?

How about the God appointed Adolph Hitler trying to create super race?
Gotta go along cause it is not forbidden.

Girlfriend...you need to start to actually think before someday you find yourselfin a situation you might really need to get out of.

As to human rights not being any way biblical... Right. Not for you and not for me but certainly were for "His" chosen when he finally got them across the parted sea
and then they did have rights.

But always remember... they were His chosen..... WE WERE NOT




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Unless what we are told or advised to do is against Gods word, then we are told to obey our leaders. It doesn't say obey our leaders if we feel like it, or if we think they are right/wrong, its says do it. Human rights are not in anyway Biblical.
Judy I truly labor to be nice to all people, but simple-minded believers push me over the edge sometimes especially so when they put their own feelings and personal understanding above God's word.

You need to tell Paul when you see him that he had NO HUMAN RIGHTS when beaten and thrown into jail bypassing the DUE PROCESS of the Roman law that ruled at that time.
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Acts 16:37,38~"But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out. And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans."
As American citizens we have certain RIGHTS granted to us that our forefathers who KNEW was imperative for the FREEDOM of its people and to save them from a socialistic government that is ever seeking to rob its people of their God-given rights. People like you would sit back and say, we have no human rights concerning our government telling us NOT TO COME TOGETHER TO WORSHIP, and once we allow you to do so, then WE WILL set the laws on HOW it MUST be done, etc. etc.  They (the powers that be) will begin to labor to have your neighbor turn you in when they think you are NOT obeying laws (that is AGAINST OUR BILL OF RIGHTS) that they have set up in order to CONTROL its subjects.

The Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. It spells out Americans’ rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual~like freedom of speech, press, and religion. It sets rules for due process of law and reserves all powers not delegated to the Federal Government to the people or the States. And it specifies that “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

First Amendment~Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The founding father's deemed this to be the MOST IMPORTANT of all rights making it the Ist right of the people in the ten that they put together. Once the government begins to make laws LIMITING people peacefully coming together due to a (seemly deadly) virus, etc.  then others seemly dangerous to society will be added to the list, then the next thing you know the government will tell the house of worship when and when not they can open the doors of worship, and if they truly had their way, ALL DOORS will eventually be close and THEY WILL per last of Revelation 17 and all of 18.
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These words are not hard to understand if one has an overall sound understanding of THE BEAST (where the TEN kings sit and rule), especially so the EIGHT Beast, that will HATE the WHORE (ALL FALSE RELIGION) their hatred will also be toward the saints of God but God will protect them from her hatred toward his very elect. These Kings of the earth along with their people will destroy ALL religion just before the coming of Jesus Christ, which they think is the real cause of ALL their problems, and ONCE they do destroy the religious sector of Mystery Babylon, THEN they will say to one another PEACE, but SUDDENLY destruction shall come upon THEM! per 1st Thessalonians 5, etc. 

We as American citizens do have certain HUMAN rights under our Constitution granted to us by our forefathers concerning laws of our lands~ the same TYPE of law that Paul was referring to in Acts 16.

Another poll is needed.  "Do we allow our government tell us that we CANNOT come together as believers to sing, pray, read, and hear the word of God AS A BODY of believers?" Can and should they do this? If yes, then HOW long, forever? They will say, AS LONG as WE deemed it necessary.

In the NT they brought men sick with diver diseases to heal OUT IN PUBLIC to Jesus and the apostles.   
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Then you feel that no matter what , so long as it is not forbidden in the bible, because that is the only rule book we have to know what God does or does not command... it is alright.

God says nothing about abortion. Yes, it is killing.... though that cannot be demonstrated as true if one takes a morning after pill ... So if the government sanctions it ~ we have to abide?  Good to know for the Chinese that still
force abortions to limit their population growth.

And if your government causes you to lose your business you have to grin and bear it cause God put them in control.

Good grief.

There are so many examples where the government can harm people or permit harm that are not under God's do not list in his holy word's... so we grin and bear it?

How about the God appointed Adolph Hitler trying to create super race?
Gotta go along cause it is not forbidden.

Girlfriend...you need to start to actually think before someday you find yourselfin a situation you might really need to get out of.

As to human rights not being any way biblical... Right. Not for you and not for me but certainly were for "His" chosen when he finally got them across the parted sea
and then they did have rights.

But always remember... they were His chosen..... WE WERE NOT
 

Our govt have been extremely generous with supporting millions who were furloughed and those who have small businesses.
 
Would people rather be dead or poor? 

The 'human rights' as are talked about here are entirely unbiblical. God says to think of others, to put them first, to love others.  Causing the death of another by our selfish actions is just awful, and disobeying leaders who God himself says HE has put there, is disobeying Him. Its not about us and what WE want, but about ALL people. 
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