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It can't be considered faith once the evidence is laid on the table in black and white. That day is becoming exponentially closer and closer.

If it actually is, then the "science" and "evidence" for such is being kept secret. In which case, none of it can be trusted when presented as proof. No "science" can be trusted that hides and conceals evidence and experimentation only to be released under the explanation of those who themselves did the hiding. To the contrary, all such cries out DECEPTION!

Are you in on a secret, or just expressing continued faith in the religion of your choice? It seems highly probable that there is much scientific work going on in the polar regions, especially Antartica, which the public is not privy to. Various nations have been conducting research their for decades now, with little revelation concerning the same. If in fact they have been making important finds, they have also been giving themselves plenty of time to attach their own hypothesis and theory to the same before presenting it. One would think that their would be quite a bit of revealing info stored in all that ice.

Catholic Forum / Re: Church Militant
« on: Sun Sep 16, 2018 - 13:23:35 »

More on the same global problem. I highly recommend you come out of Babylon. If you will not however, you should aid in the purge of this plague from your midst.

Catholic Forum / Church Militant
« on: Sun Sep 16, 2018 - 13:13:08 »
I commend Church Militant for their many videos exposing and attacking the Homosexual agenda from within their own ranks, and especially the epidemic of predatory child molesting priests and hierarchy or network of the same if you will.


The above addresses quite a conspiracy theory, but nothing beyond belief. A global religio-political system which intends to dominate the world will certainly have to deal with the spy and intelligence operations that go along with it. On the other hand, this may all be a concocted story line to detract from a rampant homosexual and child abuse problem arising as a result of the unbiblical doctrine of mandatory celibacy among the priesthood. As well as an excuse to cover the fact that the Vatican used the Capitalist west to help her topple communism as a globalist contender, and having done so now enlists their aid in toppling the Capitalist west her globalist contender as well. Perhaps the Vatican should have had more faith in their laity here to topple us from within. Or perhaps this is all part of the plan to aid them in doing so. It's hard to pit one's self against those going after cild abusers and lefty progressives. Nevertheless, there is far more wrong with, and far more danger from the religio-politcial institution of Roman Catholicism than these all be it terrible problems finally being actively addressed from within.

History reveals what happens on a large scale when Rome and those like and in agreement with her take ver the reigns of government. It is a very ugly manifestation of absolute power ending in absolute corruption.


Why would anyone reject it? The facts are overwhelmingly in favor of evolution.

Don't bother replying, I already know the answer; religious conviction.

Please do present these facts not more than a couple at a time to be examined and discussed if you will. Your already know my position, it is written for you by the prophets. Please feel free to express why what is written is impossible or unquestionably wrong.

Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism
« on: Sun Sep 16, 2018 - 11:09:15 »
History will be repeated. False religion will be exalted. The first day of the week, a common working day, possessing no sanctity whatever, will be set up as was the image of Babylon. All nations and tongues and peoples will be commanded to worship this spurious sabbath. . . . The decree enforcing the worship of this day is to go forth to all the world.--7BC 976 (1897).  {LDE 134.5}

As America, the land of religious liberty, shall unite with the papacy in forcing the conscience and compelling men to honor the false sabbath, the people of every country on the globe will be led to follow her example.--6T 18 (1900).  {LDE 135.1}

Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world.--6T 395 (1900).  {LDE 135.3}

Your taking lead out to mean the very first, which is not possible. Your first quote plainly states that history will repeat itself, the US helps create an image to the beast that was before it, which beast exalted the day of the sun by law. She leads out by way of example, as the undisputed leader of the free world especially pertaining to freedom of religion. When she abandons this, other nations will no doubt follow her example. This does not mean she is the first to ever do it.

There were Sunday laws being enforced in this nation during her day, and many still in place and being enforced in other nations as well. Her points were regarding a national Sunday law in this once Protestant nation of religious liberty that will set the stage or lead out if you will in the establishment of a global law. When we submit as one of the prime leaders of the free world and religious liberty, there will be little to nothing standing in the way of a global law. Others who have not yet done so will no doubt speedily follow our example.


Why would anyone reject it? The facts are overwhelmingly in favor of evolution.

Don't bother replying, I already know the answer; religious conviction.

I am not the one who denies religious conviction and faith are part of my reasoning, you are. This to the point of repeating a lie so often that you now believe it. You call the assumptions you make according to your misplaced faith, facts, worshiping at the feet of your own chosen idol.

Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism
« on: Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 18:18:18 »
I see this news item as a refutation of Ellen White's revelatory experience and also the resulting long-time Seventh-day Adventist expectation that Sunday laws would begin in the United States first and then spread to other nations.

I never understood that Sunday laws had to start here first and then spread to other nations. As I understand it, when they are established on a national level in this nation built upon Protestant and biblical principles of freedom and liberty maintained by a separation of church and state, nothing will be left to stand in the way of the final beast of biblical prophecy. The image of the first beast of Rev. 13 will have been established leading to global enforcement of the papacy once again.

Sunday laws have been on the books in many nations now for a long long time. Some never got rid of them. This makes it impossible that they would start in the US. Please do share where EGW said they would start here first and then spread abroad. I don't recall such, though she did specifically address US Sunday laws as a sign that persecution would soon begin and the judgments be poured out upon those who worship the beast.


A scientific theory is considered fact, you're confusing "theory" with "hypothesis".


Considered fact by whom? Those who propagate it of course, never those who reject it. Your theory is no fact at all, but in the minds of those who first formed this intellectual idol, and those who fall easy prey to the same.

And of course, you aren't. rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Not when I am agreeing with that recorded for us by His chosen servants. Apart from this, I'm just as puny as the rest of us.


Sorry you've become triggered and agitated over this discussion but breathe, tomorrow is another day  ::smile::

I'm breathing just fine. If I hadn't been breathing over this discussion, I'd have been gone about a year and a half ago.

It is not above the words of Scripture, but it most definitely is above your lever of understanding. You obviously believe in a flat earth with four "ends" and a sun that  "rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises" (Ecc 1:5); i.e. the sun goes around the earth. Clearly there can be no other way to read that.  The Bible says the sun  "hastens to the place where it rises".  If would take the faith in fallen humanity's observations to see that any other way.

Of course I do, you said so didn't you? That is why evolution is unquestionably true as well, you said so, didn't you? Silly bible, obviously not true, you said so didn't you? By the way, a circle doesn't have four ends.

Isa 40:12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? 13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? 14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? 15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. 16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering. 17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. 18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved. 21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: 23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. 24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble. 25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. 26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. 27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God? 28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

Compared to God you are a puny person, with a puny mind, thinking and expressing puny thoughts. God's thoughts and actions are not, nor have ever been subject to your or any other puny fallen humans observations. The testimony He has given to His servants and recorded for us in the scriptures is as far above all puny fallen human observation as God Himself is above us.

Do all those speaking of the sun rising and setting today think the world is flat because they use this expression? Of course not. Only a puny agenda driven mind would declare it must be so when bible authors made similar statements.

Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism
« on: Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 11:53:23 »

Interesting article. Strange, the article seems to indicate that the people want this in order to leave communism behind, while at the same time admitting that the churches are empty, and everyone seems to be at the malls. Poor people, they obviously do not really know what they want, so the heavily Catholic influenced government is going to make their decision for them. As usual, unions are involved, as predicted.

Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism
« on: Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 11:24:29 »

New Italian government plans to curb Sunday shopping - Di Maio

ROME (Reuters) - The new Italian government will introduce a ban on Sunday shopping in large commercial centres before the end of the year as it seeks to defend family traditions, Deputy Prime Minister Luigi Di Maio said on Sunday.

In a bid to spur economic growth, the then Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti liberalised Sunday trading in 2012, despite pressure from the Roman Catholic Church and unions who said the country needed to keep its traditional day of rest.

“This liberalisation is in fact destroying Italian families,” said Di Maio, who is head of the anti-establishment 5-Star Movement. “We need to start limiting opening and closing times again,” he told reporters.

Earlier this year, Poland restricted Sunday shopping as the conservative government in Warsaw pushed ahead with what it said was a return to Roman Catholic values.

The Italian and Polish initiatives run against a slow liberalisation of Sunday shopping hours throughout Europe, where retailers face pressure from a boom in online shopping.

Small shopkeepers in Italy have long sought to overturn Monti’s reform, saying their businesses face unfair competition from the big malls.

Di Maio said that larger stores would also have to close on national holidays.

It's only a lie if you're knowingly perpetuating an untruth. For me, there exists absolutely no doubt that evolution is an irrefutable fact; no lies here.

Yes, I know of your faith in fallen humanities observations above the words of scripture.

Theology Forum / Re: Hell's Daily Tally
« on: Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 10:53:29 »
Good thing the immortality of the soul is a lie, the first lie told to humanity in fact by the evil one himself. If it were true, God would of course be far more evil than the devil himself, having created countless billions for no other purpose than to burn them throughout the endless ages of eternity. The dead are asleep as scripture plainly states from one end to the other, and the wicked will perish as it plainly states as well.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


by  Carl Wieland

Most people think that fossil bones (of which the most well-known examples are those of dinosaurs) must be very, very old—because, after all, they have turned to stone, haven’t they?

Even millions of years might, to some, not even seem long enough to allow for natural processes to gradually, molecule by molecule, replace the original substance of the bone with rock minerals.

But this common picture is misleading. A recent book, co-authored by a world expert on dinosaurs, points out some things about dinosaur bones that are of great interest to creationists.1

For one thing, it says:

‘Bones do not have to be “turned into stone” to be fossils, and usually most of the original bone is still present in a dinosaur fossil.’2
Ok, but even if the actual bone is not replaced by rock minerals, some fossil dinosaur bones are rock-hard, and show under the microscope when cut that they have been thoroughly ‘permineralized.’ This means that rock minerals have been deposited into all the spaces within the original bone. Doesn’t this show that the formation of these fossils, at least, must represent a long time? Think again. The same authoritative work also tells us:

‘The amount of time that it takes for a bone to become completely permineralized is highly variable. If the groundwater is heavily laden with minerals in solution, the process can happen rapidly. Modern bones that fall into mineral springs can become permineralized within a matter of weeks.’

So even a rock-solid, hard shiny fossil dinosaur bone, showing under the microscope that all available spaces have been totally filled with rock minerals, does not indicate that it necessarily took millions of years to form at all.

Now of course if a dinosaur bone is indeed permineralized, it would give it great protection from the normal processes which cause things such as bone to just naturally ‘fall apart.’ So a permineralized bone might indeed be anything from a few weeks to millions of years old.

However, in a situation where the dinosaur bone has been prevented from being invaded by mineral-rich water, one would expect that over millions of years, even locked away from all bacterial agents, dinosaur bone would, in obeying the laws of thermodynamics,3  just disintegrate from the random motions of the molecules therein.

There are actually instances, mentioned in the same book, in which dinosaur bones in Alberta, Canada, were encased in ironstone nodules shortly after being buried. We are told:

‘The nodules prevented water from invading the bones, which for all intents and purposes cannot be distinguished from modern bone.’4

This is a stunning revelation. Evolutionists are convinced that all dinosaur bones must be at least 65 million years old. Those who take Genesis as real history would predict that no dinosaur bone is more than a few thousand years old, so the existence of such totally unmineralized dinosaur bones that have not disintegrated is perfectly consistent with our expectations.

We have previously told you about the unfossilized dinosaur bone which still contained red blood cells and hemoglobin.5  Also, we wrote about ‘fresh dinosaur bones’ in Alaska.6  Let the evolutionist experts writing this book confirm this:

‘An even more spectacular example was found on the North Shore of Alaska, where many thousands of bones lack any significant degree of permineralization. The bones look and feel like old cow bones, and the discoverers of the site did not report it for twenty years because they assumed they were bison, not dinosaur, bones.’

In summary, therefore:

1. Most fossil dinosaur bones still contain the original bone.

2. Even when heavily permineralized (‘fossilized’), this does not need to require more than a few weeks. The Creation/Flood scenario for fossilization would allow many centuries for such permineralization to occur, even under less than ideal conditions.

3. Where bones have not been protected by permineralization, they are sometimes found in a condition which to all intents and purpose looks as if they are at most centuries, not millions of years old.

The Bible’s account of the true history of the world makes it clear that no fossil can be more than a few thousand years old. Dinosaur bones give evidence strongly consistent with this.

I don't think you recognize them as lies.   You are mistaken, not trying to deceive.   But though you're wrong about this, your salvation isn't at stake. 

It's not a good idea to present man's ideas as God's word, however.   That is the real mischief that YE creationism does.   It sets an unnecessary barrier against those who might otherwise come to Him, but know that YE creationism cannot be true.

Good example of the end results of believing lies. A complete denial of what scripture simply and conclusively states, followed by the accusation that those who believe such are in error and deception. This demonstrating greater faith in the words of Darwin and his followers, than those of Moses inspired and approved by God Himself. YE creationism is true, Moses was and is right, God's fourth commandment is truth, and you are wrong. Your soul is in danger for believing and propagating lies. God will judge between our very differing views.


So then, stop lying  rofl

God will determine who is lying and who is not. No one will be laughing about it at that time.

There are many such.   Unfortunately, because they recognize that it's not a salvation issue, they don't raise their voices much.   So we often get the wrong idea about creationists thereby.

All lies constitute a very real threat to the salvation of those propagating them.

Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


And just what makes that an excellent video?

I said excellent video for those interested in biblical creationism, not those apposed to it.


Walter Veith is a converted evolutionist and professor of zoology. He knows exactly what he is arguing, having believed and taught evolution himself for many years.

Amo wrote:

No. This thread is for discussing your confession and your camaraderie with the Sanctimonious Enablers of Genocide.

Of course it is and I do, you said so, didn't you.

Amo wrote:
I am not, in any way, a part of the Sanctimonious Enablers of Genocide nor do I support, with tithes and offerings, the Insufferable Cabal of Carnal Churchian Criminals.

Your responding on the wrong thread. Good for you, neither do I, but we are not any better than them or anyone else for that matter. If you are a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ in these last days, then the message to Laodicea is for you as well as the rest of Christ's church today. The warning and admonition is for His own in this world today, not those who deny Him in this world.

Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

I accept your confession that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is virtually indistinguishable from the world. I'm even willing to acknowledge her special status. She's a twin sister of Babylon the Great.

Well, thanks so much for expressing your true sentiments. The first step to overcoming any problem, is of course admitting of the problem. There is still time for you to admit to yourself and others that you to are part of the Laodicean church if you will. After which recovery may be possible, but certainly not before.

Have you never heard that Raymond Cottrell (Editor and Chief of the SDA Bible Commentary) didn't believe what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches about Daniel 8 and couldn't find even one Seventh-day Adventist scholar to justify the official church position with a truly Biblical exposition when the SDA Commentary on the book of Daniel was being written?

No I haven't. Maybe all those who had already written extensively on the subject, thought he could find such in their already published writings if he truly desired such. Kind of like you sending me to what you have already written somewhere, rather than responding here and now to that which you yourself brought up. They didn't want to take the time to go through what they have already addressed in great detail many times over. Or not. I don't really know.

My full statement is that the true condition of Seventh-day Adventists is that of extraordinary spiritual blindness, poverty, and wretchedness, and, simultaneously, that they are absolutely shameless in speaking great swelling words of vanity, such as, "I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing."

Yes we certainly are as is the case with the majority of fallen humanity, and you are one of us. Unless of course you have completely severed yourself from the church, in which case you are now spiritually blind, poor, and wretched outside of the denomination.

You want me to copy and paste the commentary on a whole chapter? pp. 37-60 is 24 pages!

Better than reading the entire book. Or you could summarize the main points and we could go from there.


An excellent video and series for any interested in biblical creationism.

You've confused Humanism, which is a Christian movement, with "secular humanism" which is an oxymoron.

Apart from the relation between God and man such as exists in Jesus Christ, all that we said would be equivocal and dangerous and even false. What was said about the relations between divine and beatitude and human happiness, between the glory of God and the glory of man is then an abstract truth: it is the explanation of the basic theses of Christian theology. What we say concerning the relationship of God and man, we say it in Jesus Christ. It is first in Christ that there is a coincidence of divine glory and human glory. It is in him that the encounter between divine beatitude and human happiness takes place. There is no humanity “in relation to God” that was not first realized and prefigured in “Jesus Christ”…In order to fulfill the true humanism, then we must believe in Jesus Christ. There is no humanism without the Gospel.
Karl Barth, The Faith of the Church

 The article and link provided are not mine. Send your rant to WORLDVIEW.

I have confused nothing. Secular science was brought forward in a message as proof against biblical creationism, I provided a link and article that addressed secular science. I care nothing for or about secular humanism, humanism, or other constructs of fallen humanity concerning the spiritual truths and reality of holy scripture. The latter is over and above all of the same and any and all including Karl Barth.

To understand the book of Daniel correctly, start here.

Negative, stop sending me somewhere else all the time, put a little personal effort into your visits here. We were talking about a prophecy in Dan 8, not the entire book of Daniel. At the very least, you could copy and paste that which is relevant to your statement that I addressed, rather than have me read your entire book or try to find it myself within the same.

Christian Politics Forum / Re: John McCain has died
« on: Sat Sep 01, 2018 - 10:18:13 »
Palin is a moron and kinda trashy.

McCain was not a good man no matter what his military record was.

True dat. Military service absolutely does not equate to good man, or woman.

When government jobs become the most desirable, you live in a third world nation.

Amo wrote:

Your reply reveals that you don't understand Daniel 8 in its proper context.

Of course it does, your said so, didn't you. Please do expound.

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