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Theology Forum / There's Only One Way
« on: Tue Jul 17, 2018 - 09:26:27 »
John 14:6  Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:7  If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him."

Rom 5:6  For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7  For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—
Rom 5:8  but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9  Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Heb 11:6  And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Gal_2:16  yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Gal_2:20  I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Our philosophies won't save us, our politics won't save us, our intellect won't save us, our personally perceived Jesus won't save us.   

There is only one way to be saved.   It's not a personal opinion.    God Almighty has defined how we are saved.   

Theology Forum / Questioning the Authority of the Torah
« on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 12:43:24 »
Yesterday I reading certain chapters of Brian Moynahan's book, The Faith: A History of Christianity.  One Chapter, Chapter 30, is dedicated to history of the Mormons.    This is a statement pulled from the first page of this chapter (page 610):

"Tradition accorded authorship of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy to Moses himself.  The scholar Richard Simon had been expelled from the French Oratory in 1678 for claiming that variation in styles and accounts made this impossible.  Johan Gottfried, professor of philosophy at Gottingen a century later, studied books and contemporary Semitic writing and concluded that Genesis and other Old Testament books had been frequently reedited and thus were of composite authorship.  Another German scholar, Julius Wellhausen, concluded that the Pentateuch, though drawing on sources dating back to the ninth century B.C., was not finalized until about 400 B.C.   It remained hazardous to criticize too freely – clergymen-scholars in England complained of an “abominable system of terrorism” that threatened them with the deprivation of the livings for querying the divine inspiration of the Scriptures – but it was slowly accepted by scholars that Moses was not as prolific a wordsmith as had been taught."   

Does this strike anyone as odd for the author to have inserted this statement on the first page of a chapter concerning the Mormons, or the Latter Day Saints?   Why would he have placed this here?   

Christian Politics Forum / I Didn't Do It
« on: Sat Jul 14, 2018 - 11:41:00 »
A man named Leo Kottke is one of my favorite guitarists.   Years ago PBS aired a documentary about Leo and this included some film with Leo and his children.   For example, there was film of Leo and his children taking a ride in the family Volkswagen.   Leo was in the front seat driving the car and his two children were in the back seat.   His son and daughter were arguing about something - I forgot what but it does not matter.   The son hit is sister in her arm and she began to cry.   Leo fussed at his son and told him he ought not be hitting his sister.   His son replied, "I didn't hit her - my hand did."   

This reminds me of the person who calls himself our President and leader of the free world.   He cannot take responsibility for anything, nor will he let his BFF, Putin, have anything regarding election intrusion pinned on him..  How can a man lead the free world and be so dishonest?   After this latest indictment of Russians who interfered with our 2016 election, he still blames Obama for what the Russians did.    This sure reminds me of the story I posted above. 

Christian Politics Forum / Breakfast at NATO Summit
« on: Wed Jul 11, 2018 - 19:12:05 »
WH Chief of Staff, John Kelly, appeared to be very uncomfortable during breakfast this morning at the NATO summit.   Sarah Sanders said that he was upset that he wasn't served a Denny's Super Slam breakfast, but most people think he was contemplating leaving the table as Trump was embarrassing him and others with his claims that Russia now controls Germany.   

Let us learn from Paula White, Trump's personal spiritual advisor:


"I think so many people have taken biblical scriptures out of context on this, to say stuff like, 'Well, Jesus was a refugee,'" White responded. "Yes, He did live in Egypt for three-and-a-half years. But it was not illegal. If He had broken the law then He would have been sinful and He would not have been our Messiah." - Paula White

Someone please confirm that this story originated with Babylonbee.com.

I would appreciate hearing from Messianics or Non-Messianic Jews as to their thoughts on how Evolution may or may not be in conflict with the Torah.    Thank you.

Chat with Moderators / Functionality
« on: Tue Jul 10, 2018 - 11:57:13 »
I am able to type with basic typing functionality and nothing else.   I would appreciate someone helping to restore Bold, Italized, Underline, Fonts, and ability to insert images, Emoticons, etc.   Thank you.

Churches of Christ Forum / Patriotic Worship
« on: Wed Jun 20, 2018 - 12:12:54 »
For those who hold to a once-per-week (Sunday only) worship service as the only authorized time of worship, how would you work in a "Patriotic Worship" service?   Worship is to be about offered to the Creator and not the Creation.   

Apologetics Forum / The Substitutionary Atonement of Jesus Christ
« on: Wed Jun 20, 2018 - 07:40:45 »
Substitutionary Atonement of Jesus Christ

by Matt Slick

There are differing views on the atonement of Christ that have been offered throughout the history of the Christian church. Not all of them are biblical.  The correct position is the Substitutionary Atonement position since this means that Christ took our place, which is clearly taught in Isaiah 53:4-6; 2 Cor. 5:21; and 1 Pet. 2:24.  Following is a list of various theories with their problems cited:

1. Ransom Theory

  1. This theory holds that the price that Jesus paid was made to Satan.  The problem with this view is that there is no scriptural basis for it. This view was held by Origen (185-254). This theory mistakenly assumes that we are to be ransomed from Satan. But the truth is that we have broken God's law and it is to God that a payment must be made.  Furthermore, there are no references in the Bible that we were ransomed from the devil.  Instead, the sacrifice was made to God.
     1. Eph. 5:1-2, "Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; 2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma."

2. The Moral Influence View

  1. This says that God did not need a payment for breaking his law, and that the death of Christ was an example of how much God loved us.  Peter Abelard (1079-1142) held this position. This view fails to take into account the many verses that speak of Jesus dying for our sins.
    1. Gal. 1:4, "who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father."
    2. 1 Cor. 15:3, "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures."
    3. 1 Pet. 3:18, "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit."

3. The Governmental Theory

  1. This says that God did not have to require a payment for sinners and that God could have forgiven people simply by choosing to do so without any payment of penalty.  If this is so, then why did Christ need to die at all?  This means that Christ made no payment and did not die for anyone's sins.

4. The Example Theory

  1. This also denies that God requires a payment for breaking his law and Christ's death on the cross was an example of how we should trust God completely even to the point of death. This theory also fails to deal with the many Scriptures that speak of Christ dying for sin.

5. Vicarious Atonement

In opposition to the above views, our position is the one known as "vicarious atonement."  The word "vicarious" means substitute.  Therefore, Christ was a substitute for others in that he took their place and suffered their punishment. It was also a legal act whereby Christ fulfilled the law and lawfully paid the penalty of sin.

Is it biblical to say that Christ took our place and suffered our punishment?  Yes, it is.  First of all, we see vicarious sacrifice in the Old Testament.

Genesis 22:13, "Then Abraham raised his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him a ram caught in the thicket by his horns; and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the place of his son."

Notice that the ram was offered in place of Isaac.  This was a substitutionary sacrifice which is exactly what "vicarious" means.  Further, we see a prophecy of the atoning work of Christ in Isaiah.  Notice the substitutionary language:

    Isaiah 53:4-5, "Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions.  He was crushed for our iniquities.  The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him and by His scourging we are healed."
We see in the above verses in Isaiah that Jesus was prophesied to bear our sorrows, to be smitten of God (which is what is due us, the sinners), and to be the one upon whom our chastening fell.  Can it be any clearer?  What was due to us because of our sinfulness is what fell upon Christ.  He was our substitution.

    2 Cor. 5:21, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

    Rom. 4:25, "He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification."
Clearly, Jesus was a substitution in that he was made sin on our behalf.  Just as the RAM was offered as a substitute for Isaac, Christ was offered in substitution for us.  This is why the Bible says he became sin on our behalf, that he was delivered because of our transgressions, that he bore our griefs, carried our sorrows, was pierced for our transgressions, and was crushed for our iniquities.
Jesus did what we could not.  He took our place and bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) and made propitiation for our sins.
    Rom. 3:25, "whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.  This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed."

    1 John 2:2, "and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world."

    1 John 4:10, "In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."
The word propitiation "properly signifies the removal of wrath by the offering of a gift."1 Propitiation properly deals with the wrath of God. The wrath of God is due to the legal requirements of punishing the sinner.  Remember, the sinner is someone who has broken the law of God, hence, the legality of punishment; and since Jesus is our propitiation and turns away the lawful wrath of God, we have further evidence that Christ's sacrifice was to avert God's righteous wrath against us, the sinners. Since the law of God must be met and cannot be ignored, it is proper that the law be fulfilled.  Jesus is the one who fulfilled the law and never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22).  But, he bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) and became sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21) thereby suffering the penalty of sin, which is death.

Christ's death was a legal payment

In addition to Christ's atonement being vicarious, it was also legal.  Legality deals with the law.  Sin is breaking the law of God.  When a law is broken, a punishment is incurred.  There is no punishment without law, and there is no law without punishment.  When a person is sentenced to time in prison, this is done based upon the requirements of the law.  The required sentence upon one who breaks the law of God is death.

    2 Cor. 1:9, "indeed, we had the sentence of death within ourselves in order that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead."

Paul tells us that we had a "sentence of death."  This sentence is due to our breaking the law of God.  Therefore, we were legally guilty before God because we broke his law.  Furthermore, when Jesus was on the cross, he said "It is finished!" (John 19:30). In Greek it is, "tetelistai," and it was a legal term.

"The sixth word or saying that Jesus spoke from the cross was the single Greek work tetelestai which means 'It is finished.' Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning "paid in full."  This word on Jesus’ lips was significant.  When He said, "It is finished" (not "I am finished"), He meant His redemptive work was completed.  He had been made sin for people (2 Cor. 5:21) and had suffered the penalty of God’s justice which sin deserved."2

Jesus knew the culture, and he specifically used that word "tetelestai," which was used in legal statements in ancient Israel when a legal debt had been fully paid.  Why was this necessary legally?  Because sin only has power because of the law (legality) of God.  The law has a punishment, and the punishment is death.

    1 Cor. 15:56, "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."

    Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
The whole atoning work of Christ was a legal action where Jesus substituted himself for sinners and paid the legal requirement of the punishment of sin--death.  This is what the scriptures teach, and this is the position of CARM.

1. The New Bible Dictionary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.), 1962.
2. Walvoord, John F., and Roy B. Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.), 1983, 1985.

General Discussion Forum / Hitler and the Jews
« on: Tue Jun 19, 2018 - 10:17:57 »

The above link provides accurate information but it is but the tip of the proverbial iceberg. 

This morning I heard a re-play of an interview of Jeff Sessions by Laura Ingraham.   Jeff Sessions said that Hitler would not release Jews.  He is wrong.   The truth is that Hitler's goal was to remove the Jews from Germany and every country over which he and his Nazi minions were able to defeat and take control.  Early on Hitler would have let Jews flee.  Jews could have fled to the United States but our country had laws used as an excuse to not take them in. 


With Trump's immigration POLICY to separate children from families we'd may as well leave.   (I know that there are children who have been sent to the borders by their parents hoping for a better life for their children, but there are children who are taken away from their parents and there are no such laws to justify this - there are POLICIES).   The United States, per Nikki Haley, believes that the Human Rights Council is biased against Israel.   Something I find odd about this is that one of our President's BFFs, Vladimir Putin, would like to see Israel eradicated from the world map. 

Before flaming me ask yourself how a supposedly righteous President can support views of opposite polarities. 

Christian Politics Forum / On His Way to Jail in Alexandria, VA
« on: Fri Jun 15, 2018 - 12:08:15 »

Christian Politics Forum / IG Report and James Comey
« on: Thu Jun 14, 2018 - 15:25:58 »
Now that the IG Report has been released there will be all sorts of embellished claims made in favor of and against James Comey's behavior in the investigation of Hillary Clinton. 

If you believe that Comey should be punished then what punishment should he receive?   Trump has called Kim Jung-un a great man, a great leader, a very smart man, a great negotiator, "one of ten thousand" who could run North Korea's government, and a man who loves his people. 

Fox News seems to be the main source of the posters in this forum.  This is an article from Fox News.  It describes the many ways that Kim Jong-un has shown his love for his people and family members.   Please read the article and suggest one of Kim's wonderful ways he has shown his love.   I've listed some approaches he has used below.


How should Trump deal with James Comey?

1. Have him shot with bound anti-aircraft guns.  That would leave little trace of him.
2. Poison him.
3. Feed him to starving dogs.
4. Starve him.
5. Beat him until he is effectively brain dead.
6. Or, let him off with minimal punishment.  Make him walk on all fours to Trump and beg forgiveness and pledge allegiance to him.   

This option would never be gleaned from the article and probably never offered by Trump, but how about this one?

7. Offer him Grace.

Christian Politics Forum / The Parents of Korean War Veterans...
« on: Thu Jun 14, 2018 - 07:37:33 »
Trump says that the parents of Korean War veterans have asked him to bring home the remains of their children.

Let's see...the average age of Korean War veterans is 87 years old, so their parents would probably average around 110 years old.   I'm sure that our President is once again being truthful about this.  The living parents of Korean War vets might be able to fill a Mini Cooper.


Christian Politics Forum / Dennis Rodman
« on: Mon Jun 11, 2018 - 11:50:06 »
Dennis Rodman has arrived in Singapore.   

Is this meeting about nukes or Trump's new version of The Apprentice, called "Celebrity World Leader?"

It has been reported on various news networks that Trump has stated that he knows that the meeting with Kim Jong-un will be very productive so he is planning to leave tomorrow (Singapore time is 12 hours ahead of Eastern U.S. time) early and will not be staying over an additional night.

How does he know that the talks are going to go well? 

Christian Politics Forum / Kim Jong-un
« on: Wed Jun 06, 2018 - 18:53:30 »
Kim Jong-un "begged on his hands and knees for a summit."    We know we can believe Rudy Giuliani.   

Giuliani spelled his name as Kim John Un.   

Are you in Spiritual bondage to a family member (or members)?   Perhaps you were raised as a member of a legalistic church group, or perhaps a parent or a sibling pressures you about your spirituality and compare you to their standard of spirituality, and you feel trapped by this.   Do you fear such people more than you fear God?

You can be released from this bondage by recognizing that your Spiritual condition is not dependent upon what these people think or demand of you; your Spiritual condition is dependent upon the One who took your sin and your inadequacies upon Himself on the cross.  He has freed you from such bondage.   

Christian Politics Forum / King George III
« on: Mon Jun 04, 2018 - 13:26:59 »
George III reminds me of a certain well-known President.   Many need to read this history as it seems that there is no one here that is familiar with the Revolutionary War or why there was one.   

Our country, the United States of America, fought with Britain to be free of tyranny and a monarchy.   

We have a wanna-be "monarch" who is "ruling" over our nation.  He claims he is untouchable.   He can and should be impeached.  He cannot pardon himself and he can be indicted for crimes once he is out of office.    If he were innocent as he claims he would not be trying to impede the investigation.   

I know I'm the only person here who will admit to thinking in these terms.   Others agree with me but they don't want to argue with the same old people with the same old tired and pointless arguments.    I keep hoping that the blindness will subside.   

Christian Politics Forum / The Letter
« on: Sat Jun 02, 2018 - 08:06:44 »
"That letter was a nice letter. You should see what's in the letter.  How much??"

"I haven't actually read the letter."

Trump would rather climb a tree and tell a lie than to stand on the ground and tell the truth.

General Discussion Forum / Quoting the "Church Curmudgeon" at Twitter
« on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 17:32:31 »
"It's a little-known fact that John Calvin could break wind on command.

He called them Calvin's Insta-Toots."

Christian Politics Forum / Who's The Leaker Now??
« on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 13:08:54 »
Trump's early announcement helped his Wall Street friends.   This man has no conscience.


Theology Forum / The Holy Spirit's Withdrawal
« on: Fri Jun 01, 2018 - 12:58:04 »
“If the Holy Spirit was withdrawn from the church today, 95 percent of what we do would go on and no one would know the difference. If the Holy Spirit had been withdrawn from the New Testament church, 95 percent of what they did would stop, and everybody would know the difference.”

― A.W. Tozer

Christian Politics Forum / MEK
« on: Sun May 27, 2018 - 11:41:22 »

If you are not aware of MEK and their goals I recommend you look at this Wiki article.  I am familiar with their leader, Maryam Rajavi, and have seen her interviewed as some "conservative" who is merely an advocate for new leadership in Iran.  She is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Tonight (Sunday, 5/27) "Richard Engel On Assignment" is to be repeated at 10:00PM Eastern Time on MSNBC.  I caught the second half of this program on Friday evening but I'm going to watch this repeated program tonight, assuming it is on again as scheduled.

MEK is a focus of this program.   Watch video of Rudy Guiliani speaking before this group.  And watch John Bolton, who has reportedly been involved with this group for many years, telling these terrorists that "I will see you in Tehran by 2019."   Bolton is a warmonger and after watching this I wonder about his true loyalties.   Guiliani is a snake.   

MEK's greatest support comes from Saudi Arabia.   We Americans have seemingly forgotten that most of the September 11 hijackers were Saudi Arabians.   

Christian Politics Forum / Trump Is King Cyrus Reincarnated
« on: Fri May 25, 2018 - 12:19:45 »

I've posted this article here because it is related to why Trump was elected and supported by Evangelicals, and this issue has become not only eschatological but political.

A couple of months before the 2016 election a friend of mine was staying at a hotel in the Detroit area where there were many others staying there for a Trump for President rally.   My friend was in town to do a security system installation.  One morning he was having breakfast in the hotel and he saw all these people wearing Trump hats beginning to invade the breakfast area.  One them asked my friend if he could join him at his table and my friend told him that he could.  This man turned out to be a pastor and he began to tell my friend about why he supports Donald Trump for President.  He said, “Donald Trump is the Antichrist and if he is elected we'll have Armageddon and the Lord will return.”   

I saw this article (link posted above) this morning and while it's not stating that Trump is the Antichrist it does offer a similar claim about Armageddon and that Armageddon will occur in the not-to-distant future if Trump is really King Cyrus reincarnated.  This is a primary reason that Evangelicals are supporting Trump.   I know so many claim that they are patriots and Trump is a patriot and he would bring about big change in Washington.  Well, change he has brought.

I believe that there are as many Evangelicals supporting Trump because of Israel and their end-times beliefs as there are “patriots” supporting him.   They think that Trump's wanting to move our USA embassy to Jerusalem is proof of Israel being God's timepiece.   I wish that people who support these views and Dispensationalism actually knew something about Dispensationalism.   They really don't know about the extreme views of Dispensationals like John Hagee who claim that Jesus did not come as the Messiah.  (Hagee was a speaker at the new embassy dedication.)  They don't seem to care that his CUFI group has been lobbying for war with Iran for many years so that Israel might be protected.   They don't care that Hagee says that Jews following the Law (the Torah) are just as saved as Gentiles who have been saved by having faith in Christ (but not the Christ who is the Messiah but the one who will be the Messiah).   They don't realize that during the seven year Tribulation Period one prophecy to be fulfilled is that two thirds of the world's Jews will die because they have rejected Jesus.   The same people talk in the next breath about how all of Israel will be saved because God has two separate plans of salvation.  This is not now the New Covenant but is the Dispensation of Grace.   The New Covenant is for Israel in the future and Jesus will reign over Israel from Jerusalem for one thousand years as the New Covenant has begun.   Ask these same people about the fate of Christian Gentiles and you'll get either no answer or one of a number of guesses.  They really don't know.  All that matters is Genesis 12:3 and we must support Donald Trump, like blind people in a forest during the night, because of the things he and Mike Pence have to say about Israel.   

God has been saving Jews for two thousand years.  Even Paul who talked about the blindness of Israel said that they can come of their blindness by believing in the one who John Hagee does not believe in:  Jesus, the one and only True Messiah.    Because Dispensationals wrongly interpret Galatians 3:16 and refuse to see Jesus Christ as the one prophesied offspring of Abraham who fulfills the majority of Old Testament prophecy they

Regardless of the truth, which does not seem to matter anymore, people will support Trump for the wrong reasons.   What we should do is tell God that we have helped ruin this nation with our unbelief and unfaithfulness and we pray for our leaders to do those things which are right instead of those things which are corrupt such as making deals with Godless nations for personal gain.   

Christian Politics Forum / Richard Painter
« on: Wed May 23, 2018 - 18:42:18 »

Richard Painter was formerly associated with the George Bush administration.   He was Chief Ethics Counselor.   He, like myself, feels as though the Republican Party has left him.    He is running as a Democrat for Senator from Minnesota.  I suspect there will be more true conservatives - not puppet autocrats - who will eventually leave the Republican party and run as a Democrat or an Independent.  Trump does not represent true America.  That is a myth.       

Christian Politics Forum / Texarkana
« on: Wed May 23, 2018 - 12:36:23 »
The Texarkana boyfriend has sought me out on Twitter so he can call me a liberal.  Hah!   Are you that hard up for something to occupy your time?   

What I am not  is what the Trump-excusers are:  an Autocrat.   Conservatism is dead.

Now Trump has started a new fiction called Spygate.   He says everyone is using that term.  "Everyone" are his dedicated cult followers.

I still regret voting for a man who would say that we'd all still vote for him if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue. 

In my area Best Buy stores maintain a local off-site repair operation where they repair computers, laptops, tablets, and other personal electronic devices.  This is part of their Geek Squad operation.

A prominent local attorney is currently representing a man who was arrested when someone with the Geek Squad reported their finding child porn on the computer hard drive.  The attorney said that the child porn photos were in a protected file that no one besides the computer owner could have normal access to.   The attorney also said that the Geek Squad have persons on staff who in effect double as FBI agents.   Why?  Because documents were turned over by the FBI which show payments to these Geek Squad technicians in the amount of $500.00 for each time they have reported a finding on a customer's computer that they believe that the FBI wanted to know about.   

This person with the child porn on his computer is just one of four persons who have been reported to the FBI by the Geek Squad.  So far there is no specific mention of who the others are or what was found.   

I think most people would agree that they don't have too much sympathy for someone involved with child porn, but was it legal for the Geek Squad to function as agents to the FBI?   What else might Geek Squad workers find that might not be objectionable to the owner of some piece of electronic equipment but it might interest the FBI?   What if someone placed pro-gun or anti-government comments or articles on their computer?  What if a student posted negative comments about a teacher, and we know that school systems everywhere are now very sensitive to such things.   

There might be other ways to classify workers but there are three that I know about because I've had to work with employees who fell under these classifications.  They are Independent Contractor, Statutory Employee, and Employee.  An Independent Contractor is not supposed have to comply with direct supervision by the company from which they are receiving payment. A Manuacturer's Rep (which is what I used to be) is an Independent Contractor who is paid commissions on sales but their principal does not demand precisely how the Manufacturer's rep goes about running his or her daily business  (at least in theory).   The principal does expect certain sales achievements but leaves it to their Independent Agent to achieve those goals.  A Statutory Employee is not a payroll-based employee but they may be required to adhere to direct supervision from their principal (in this case "principal" is the one who makes payments to the Statutory Employee).   An Employee is one who is on a payroll, with taxes and other deductions taken from their pay, and the Employee must answer directly to someone or someones at the company for whom they work.  Their pay could be a salary, an hourly wage, or a combination of one of those plus commisssion income.   

In my opinion I think these employees of Best Buy's Geek Squad might also be considered as Statutory Employees for the FBI and this attorney may have a case.   If people think they are turning over their electronic equipment to a repair facility who keep the memory contents confidential but Employees for the FBI also have access to their equipment I don't think that's fair to the consumer.  That's a "Big Brother Looking Over Us" scenario.  I believe that people should be forewarned that if they turn over a computer or similar device to Best Buy's Geek Squad the contents on the hard drive (or solid state drive) will not necessarily be kept confidential.   

Do you think that it is appropriate for the FBI and Best Buy's Geek Squad to have such an arrangement?

Christian Politics Forum / Obama Ought To Get Off The Golf Course
« on: Sun Mar 04, 2018 - 12:10:06 »



Trump has spent 100 days of being on golf courses during his short time in office.   But he said he'd be working so hard that he'd spend all of his time in the White House and "work his ass off and make great deals."   This is more proof that we can believe every word that his says.

Theology Forum / A Comparison of Beliefs on the Person of Christ
« on: Sat Feb 24, 2018 - 11:47:06 »
A Comparison of Beliefs on the Person of Christ

Docetists:   Christ’s human nature is denied.   Christ only appeared to be human but had a phantom-like body.   Christ’s divine nature is affirmed.

Ebionites:  Christ’s human nature is affirmed.   Christ’s divine nature is denied.  Jesus is believed to be a natural son of Joseph and Mary and Jesus was elected to be the Son of God at his baptism.

Arians:  Christ’s human nature is affirmed.  Christ’s divine nature is denied, and Christ is not believed to be eternal but was created before the world began.

Apollinarians:  Those of this belief are ambiguous on Jesus’ human nature.  They believe that Jesus had a human body and soul but claim that the divine Logos replaced the human spirit.  They do believe that Christ’s nature was divine.

Nestorians:  Christ’s human nature is affirmed, with Christ being two persons – human and divine – in a sympathetic union (not two natures in one person).   So, they do affirm Christ’s divine nature but, again, as in a sympathetic relationship with his human nature.
Eutychians:  Their belief diminishes Christ’s humanity and divinity as believing in him as a merged form of humanity and divinity into some other compound nature.   

Orthodoxy:  Christ’s human nature is affirmed.  His humanity is perfect and complete.  Christ’s divinity is also affirmed.  His divinity is both perfect and complete.

Chat with Moderators / "Gang of Five" - For Alan
« on: Sat Feb 17, 2018 - 11:46:25 »
I have not named any specific persons as members of the group that I refer to as the "Gang of Five."  To me this was done tongue in cheek but there are some here seem to be really upset by it.  Something which is supposed to just be in my head sure has upset some folk.  Like the adage, "if the shoe fits..."  I didn't attack any particular person's character when I used that phrase and I still haven't.   A thread was started here - the name of which you changed - that used that phrase.   I had nothing to do with that but you made a comment to me as though I had a part it.  Unfair of you. 

There is a truth in all of this which is undeniable.  There are only so many people who actively post in the Politics forum.  I know for a fact that there are other members here who do not post in that forum who would otherwise like to but they don't want to be attacked by the same bunch of people who post there and cannot tolerate any negative comment about Trump.

Trump is a public figure and I don't understand why, on a Christian forum, the man is held up like he is beyond reproach or any sort of criticism as though he is some sort of prophet.   He has been characterized here as "God's man" but I'll say what I've said before that God has used him and He has used Trump to reflect back to us the sort of people we have become in this country called the United States.   

I try to be a decent member here.   I don't quote the commentaries of theologians and post them here as my own ideas as I've seen others do.  I don't follow behind others and try to upset them.  If that's happened it has not been intentional.  I've never followed people here to this forum from another forum and to another forum before that.   I don't have multiple screen names and I've not yet been banned and come back here under various new names.  I guess there's always that possibility I could be banned.  I've never been concerned about it and just feel like when my time is done here it will just be that time.   I won't come back under new names and pretend to be a new poster multiple times.   

You can either respect my opinion or not.   The reason I'm doing this one-person crusade is that it's not a one-person crusade.  This forum used to be robust and now it's just about gone.   I know that you, Alan, have stated that "other forums are falling too."  That's a fatalistic attitude.   I see other Christian forums which are very robust.  Former posters from here have gone to them.   

Chat with Moderators / Watch List
« on: Mon Feb 12, 2018 - 12:48:32 »
Have you added the person who lied about me and called me an abortion supporter to the watch list?   

I am not the only person here who is opposed to Donald Trump's liberal ways; the others don't want to be flogged by the people who are allowed to flog them.   

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