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The American people have spoken. Donald Trump will be OUR next president.

Had Hillary Clinton won, her supporters would have hoped for and, even, expected that the Trump supporters would rally around her and support her as our next president. Instead, there is much anger and animosity and hatred towards our President-elect just because their candidate lost.

I was no fan of Donald Trump, but for the sake of our country, those who voted for Hillary Clinton should follow her request of them when, earlier today, she was calling on her supporters to accept that he would be president and give him a chance to lead with an open mind.

Our great nation remains great and I believe that now that Trump has won, he will likely moderate his views and I wouldn't surprised if he turns out to be a good president. Donald Trump has his grave flaws, but so does Hillary Clinton.

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End Times Forum / The Final End Times Prophecy Has Been Fulfilled
« on: Thu Nov 03, 2016 - 00:43:28 »


The Chicago Cubs have won the 2016 World Series. All of the End Times prophecies have now been fulfilled.

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For those who are interested to voice their thoughts on the matter.

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I'm no Glenn Beck fan, but I found this article noteworthy:


                                 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton-is-the-moral-ethical-choice-for-president-2016-10-11?siteid=nwhpf



Glenn Beck sent shock waves through his conservative fan base over the weekend when he hailed Hillary Clinton as the “moral, ethical” choice for president.

“It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity,” Beck wrote in a post on Facebook. “If one helps to elect an immoral man to the highest office, then one is merely validating his immorality, lewdness, and depravity.”

Phil Reed summed up the reaction of many of his followers.

“I CANNOT Believe you just said that Hillary Clinton was the better moral choice even if she was running against Satan himself,” he wrote. “Did you fall and hit your head? What is wrong with you?”

Beck, who’s been against the Trump campaign since it started, further explained his stance in a Vice News interview on Monday night.

“I will tell you that it has crossed my mind... to vote for Hillary,” he said. “I think Donald Trump is so unstable, so dangerous, that it has crossed my mind.”

Ultimately, however, Beck says he can’t bring himself to actually vote for her.

“They’re both bad,” he said. “Under Hillary Clinton, the nation most likely could become just run by oligarchs. Under Donald Trump... I wouldn’t put anything past him. I don’t know what our country looks like.”

So who’s his pick? Darrel Castle, the Constitution Party’s nominee.

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Yesterday, SwordMaster suggested that I cease hijacking the thread "The theory of evolution...has it REALLY been proven as fact?" and begin a new thread entitled, "Why I, Star of David, believe that I am a Chapter 11 Witness." I really didn't give any serious thought to doing this until I was laying in bed this morning (actually noontime) and I thought, "Why not?"

In 1994 - 1998, I actually did share the process of my discovery with numerous total strangers and I had remarkable success in making a positive impression on them. I would find it most difficult to share this with those who know me well as they know my "warts and all" and I would personally understand why Jesus said, "A prophet has honor everywhere except with his family and in his home country," as my family certainly does not think that I've done anything extraordinary. By 2005 or so, I would use the phrase that "I would learn that (such and such, usually something bad) comes with the territory (of being a Chapter 11 Witness)."

When one reads the following "Synopsis of My Memoir," they will learn that I nailed down the truth with the help of a very good psychiatrist between October 5, 1989 through June 19, 1991 and also with the help of a Catholic priest in February, 1991 who pointed out to me something that was shockingly clear but I could not see at that time because 'I could not see the forest for the trees.'

Of the several ways that I look back on my experience, one of my favorites is that when I met my psychiatrist on October 5, 1989, I was certain that I had experienced an account unique among all Christian astronomers living at that point in time. And then, two years later, soon after October, 1991, I realized that I had experienced a unique 20 1/2 months of psychotherapy among all Christian astronomers living at that time and, going forward, I would realize just how little that the most gifted communicator can actually do towards this end in a world made up of almost entirely non-astronomers.

It is a 'given' to me that my life story and, also, the life story of a very extraordinary Protestant woman, Denise, will become known to the entire human race, living and deceased, after Christ returns.

From time to time, I will share my basic writings on this thread to give the reader a sneak peak of what all others will learn after Christ returns.

Enjoy.

                                                              ********************************************************************



                                                                                                      Synopsis of My Memoir


The following is from an e-mail to a pen pal in which I share with her a lengthy narrative which uses two pre-existing narratives that are spliced together that gives you, the reader, the opportunity to learn in just several minutes of reading what is explained, in minute detail, in about 600 pages of my 800 page, memoir-type manuscript, written in 1993.

                                                                                       *****************************************************


 I recently shared with my favorite nurse at the Cardiac Rehab, Tracy, what I am about to share with you. During my six weeks of rehab, I had given Tracy and the other four nurses a Matthew 24:29-30a prophecy card and gave them an opportunity to read the same collection of correspondence that I had mailed to you, Becky. At the end of my last rehab session on November 3, 2006, I told Tracy, "I learned years ago that the best time to share this with someone is when that person and I are about to go our separate ways."

 Since you told me in your last e-mail to me that we would likely never meet, I see that as meaning a similar thing.

 If you and I had met and hit it off well, Becky, I would have shared all of the following with you---and I would have preferred to do this orally in person as listening to the tone and inflection in my voice is much more effective than reading the following rote narrative. After I finished writing my manuscript in 1994, during my frequent trips to Riverview Park, I often met visitors from out of town and, after making small talk with them, I would mention my interest in astronomy and Christ's statement recorded in Matthew 24:29-30a as a young child, give them a prophecy card and explain it to them and share with them the following true life experience that is recorded in my memoir-type manuscript. And after doing it a few dozens of times with these strangers (and always receiving very good reactions from them--one man shook my hand twice before he left the park), I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to explain what I call 'The Second Greatest Story Ever Told' rather easily and in a way that the listener would at least find interesting.

 As I told Tracy, I initially thought that all of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation were meaningful and when I opened up Revelation in March, 1989, I was wanting to learn of what 'bad things' were supposed to happen before Matthew 24:29 was to be fulfilled in 1999. I went on to tell Tracy that I would eventually realize that nearly all of those prophecies in Revelation can safely be disregarded and ignored and, essentially, they serve as 'placeholders' for the only two prophecies in Revelation that are meaningful: Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:5.

 Instead of an Antichrist and Armageddon, etc., I would eventually realize that the true message of the Book of Revelation is a true story of two Christian individuals from diametrically different Christian denominations who each had their faiths tested to the extreme and they both succeeded spectacularly.

 I will leave it there and let you read the following lengthy narrative. Though it is long, it is much shorter than reading about 600 pages of my manuscript to learn the same thing.

 A friend of mine named Kathy, who is a very bright woman, read my 800 page manuscript in only three days in 1994 and when I talked to her after she finished reading it, Kathy made the observation, "You really didn't have much of a choice in the matter, did you?"

 I replied, "No, not really."

 The following I have spliced together from two different web postings to where it is completely seamless. I do thank you for taking the time to read it. As I laid in bed this morning contemplating sharing this with you, I marveled at how I have been able to share this with others rather dispassionately as, when I was going through this experience in 1989-1990, I was often filled with a great burning zeal. I credit my doctor for achieving his agenda in 1989-1991 of "getting me well again".           


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 In 1954, I was born into a farm family in northeast Missouri and fell in love with the oldest science of astronomy at age 8. Being a Catholic, I heard the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24 and Luke 21) read aloud in Catholic mass on back-to-back Sundays on an annual basis during the 1960s and I was very intrigued by Christ's prediction in Matthew 24:29-30a that, just before He returns, "the sun will be darkened, the moon will not shed her light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the hosts of heaven will be shaken loose. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky...."

 Because I assumed that Christ was referring to the true stars falling from the sky (each of the true stars being the size of our sun), between ages 9-10, I was terrified by the prospect of living during the time that this cataclysmic event would take place. By age 10 in 1964, I began to believe the astronomers who implied that the true stars will never fall from the sky and I began to look for a sensible explanation behind the events described by Christ in Matthew 24:29. Because Christ was quoted to tell His apostles in Luke 21:25a, that "there will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars...," it was apparent to me that the astronomers living just prior to Christ's return ought to be able to derive the general time frame for His return using the events described in Matthew 24:29. I quickly reasoned that "the stars will fall from the sky" can only be explained by a significant meteor shower. Also, during a total solar eclipse does "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not shed her light" for a few minutes over a narrow strip of land and ocean. Since there are usually one or two total solar eclipses each year, I reasoned that Christ must be referring to a total solar eclipse in a special, perhaps critical part of the world that the astronomers living just prior to Christ's return will be able to identify. The only prohibition, according to Christ in Matthew 24:36a, is that "no one knows the day or the hour" of His return--which isn't really too prohibitive.

 The following year, in 1965, my sixth grade teacher mentioned to the class that the meteor storm in the news at that time, according to astronomers, will produce another meteor storm in 1999 which strongly raised my suspicions that this 1999 meteor storm might fulfill one of the celestial events predicted by Christ in Matthew 24:29.

 I went on to become valedictorian of my high school class of 18 and, four years later, earned a B.S. in Agricultural Engineering, cum laude, at the University of Missouri-Columbia in 1976. I began my engineering career with a very fine agency in the USDA, the Soil Conservation Service, shortly thereafter and married a very special woman and I was on my way---or so I had believed.

 In 1979, I watched a movie by the popular End Times prophecy lecturer, Hal Lindsey, entitled "The Late, Great Planet Earth" and I learned of the basic Last Days scenario that is presently taught and accepted by many millions of people (Antichrist, Armageddon, Seven Years of Tribulation, Rapture, etc.)

 In 1988, my wife of 12 years and I divorced which, like most divorces, was very painful but I eventually recovered. On July 10, 1988, in an act of serendipity, through a newspaper article, I learned of a 22-year-old woman named Denise who was in dire need of a heart-lung transplant. In the article, Denise stated her belief that God would come through for her in providing her with a new heart and lungs.

 I wrote Denise a short note of encouragement which eventually led to my receiving a call from Denise and I would then meet her the following day, on August 13, 1988. We quickly developed a great fondness for each other and, against all odds, three weeks after I met Denise, she received a successful heart-lung transplant on September 3, 1988.

 After four months of a very arduous recovery, Denise gave a 'Dedication' on January 1, 1989 in which she sang and spoke and dedicated the rest of her life giving testimony to others of her God-delivered miracle.

 Six days later, on January 7, 1989, I recalled that I, too, nearly died of a lung malady: when I was born (as my mother would tell me when I was about 10 years old), the delivery was traumatic, causing my lungs to collapse. My mother was so worried about my survival that she prayed that if I should live and that if I wanted to, that I would become a priest. I decided to invoke my mother's prayer on this day, January 7, 1989, by deciding to support Denise and her ministry for the rest of her life.

 Three days later, on January 10, 1989, my February, 1989 issue of ASTRONOMY magazine came in the mail containing an article entitled, "Eclipse Prospects For the 1990s". I naturally was curious of what the upcoming solar eclipses would be and at the end of the article was described the total solar eclipse on August 11, 1999 passing through central Europe and Iraq and Iran--and my eyes became as huge as saucers!! (as the anticipated November, 1999 Leonid meteor storm was very well known by all devoted astronomers, amateur and professional).

 Because I was well aware that the very close proximity of a Mideast total solar eclipse and a Leonid meteor storm was exceedingly rare, occurring on the order of about once every 1000 years, I knew that I had uncovered a prophecy that was in the province of astronomers only.

 About two months later, in March, 1989, I decided to glance through the Book of Revelation to see how individuals such as Hal Lindsey came up with their cataclysmic End Times scenario and I quickly found Chapter 11, entitled "The Two Witnesses". After I read Revelation 11:3, which states, "I will commission my two witnesses to prophesy for those twelve hundred sixty days, dressed in sackcloth", my reaction was, "Who is that astronomer pair?"

 Three months later, in June, 1989, after reading the Chapter 11 story in the Book of Revelation for the umpteenth time, I thought to myself (or perhaps quietly said aloud), "That must be us," meaning, that I believed that the Two Witnesses of Chapter 11 of Revelation were probably Denise and me.

 As I would write in my manuscript, "I had no idea at this time, June, 1989, of the magnitude of what I was contemplating." After Denise and I committed to each other, I would tell her of the circumstances of my birth, the fulfillment of Matthew 24:29 in 1999, and my tentative thoughts on Chapter 11 of Revelation----and not before we committed to each other, which I left entirely up to her.

On August 11, 1989, Denise broke the news to me that she could only be married to a man of her denomination. By this time, I had a small toe hold in the Two Witnesses story of Chapter 11 of Revelation. My main reaction was one of amusement as Denise did not know of the Matthew 24:29-30a prophecy or the Chapter 11 story and I wondered, "How is this going to turn out?"

 I trusted God to provide for me the answers that I would need during the upcoming months and He did. About two weeks later, Denise told me over the phone that she was now in a committed relationship, which I correctly assumed was Eddie.

 I was a veritable religious zealot at this time but still pretty much a private one. I assumed that somehow, at some time, I would identify some world leader with '666' as according with Revelation 13:18.

 On September 12, 1989, as I was driving down a highway in Columbia, MO (where I was living), I was recalling solving a very difficult number progression problem on an IQ test during a hospitalization eight months earlier and, after I solved it, I handed the test back to a nurse and I told her, "I got the son of a bitch!" As I completed that thought as I was driving, I noticed that in front of me, I was following a car that had a license plate ending with '666', which I thought was unusual. That evening, I inscribed in the front of my Bible of Discovery '9-12-89', signifying that I was 100% certain that I was one of the two individuals in Revelation 11:3. I realized that, theoretically, sometime before Spring, 1996 (6 1/2 years away), I should identify this Antichrist but I was worried that I might slip up and miss it.

 (The number progression problem that took me 5 minutes to solve was:

 4123, 82, 73, 14_

 The answer is at the very end of this narrative.)

 Six days later, on September 18, 1989, I was in traffic and at a stop light, and I was once again behind a car with a license plate ending with '666' which, of course, I picked up on. That evening, I went home, turned on the TV and watched the last 15 minutes of the movie, "A Star is Born" (on the Lifetime Channel) with Kris Kristofferson and Barbra Streisand. After the movie was over, on a nearby coffee table was a 9-15-89 issue (3 days old) of a USA Today newspaper and I quickly saw a headline that said: 'Boris Yeltsin: A Star is Born' about Russian leader Boris Yeltsin who was touring this country and wowing politicians here as he was an up-and-coming politician in the USSR. From this article, I read that when Yeltsin was a child, a hand grenade exploded in his left hand causing him to lose a thumb and index finger on that hand.

 Because I was certain that I had come 'face to face' with the person who was to kill me around March, 1996 (in fulfillment of Revelation 11:7-13), I was extremely scared. As I wrote in my manuscript, "All of a sudden, I did not want to be a Chapter 11 witness!"

 The following day, I went to Gerbes supermarket where I did my grocery shopping and paced the aisles for 10 minutes or so. I had decided that when I stopped pacing, I would imagine being killed by Yeltsin's forces----and I did not want to stop pacing!!! When I did stop pacing, I closed my eyes and winced.

 During this time, I thought that Denise and I would eventually get back together, hopefully soon, and I assumed that Denise and I would perform an openly public ministry on a worldwide scale between Fall, 1992 through Spring, 1996, which meant public speaking which I greatly detested. Three days after associating Yeltsin with '666', I read Chapter 12 of Revelation for the first time on September 21, 1989. I quickly suspected the male child in Revelation 12:5 to be me and within three seconds of analyzing 'iron rod', I saw my 'felt pen' and 'female name' and I was greatly relieved because if there was one thing that I can do and enjoy doing, it was writing.

 (My Bible reads in Revelation 12:5, "She gave birth to a son--a boy destined to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.")

 [This is because from chemistry, the chemical symbol for iron is Fe. Felt pens (with the trademark 'Skilcraft') are in the shape of a 'rod' and have been my pen of choice since I began my engineering career with the USDA in 1976, 13 years earlier. And, lastly, 'Rod' is a 'male name'. Very soon after analyzing 'iron rod' in Revelation 12:5, I easily saw the following:

                                                                                              iron   rod
                                                                                                |       |
                                                                                              Fe(lt) Pen = Skilcraft
                                                                                              Fe male name = Denise

At this time, September 21, 1989, I was amazed at how a 1900 year old scripture could easily be interpreted as being two instruments germane to me (and I still am) but it answered some very fundamental questions as to how I would publicize this interpretation of Matthew 24:29-30a to the world-at-large.]

 All during the last part of August and all of September, 1989, I noticed many unusual coincidences that I simply could not explain away as being meaningless and I believed that they were divine in nature and I jotted them on my wall calendar. One that I had noticed at this time was that the driver's license that I had when I first wrote Denise had a renewal date of September 3, 1988 which would turn out to be the date of her heart-lung transplant operation three weeks after I met Denise. And, as it is in many states, on the back side of Missouri driver's licenses is a donor's card one can sign to be an organ donor. Because there were three years (1095 days) between renewal dates for Missouri driver's licenses (in 1989), I knew that I could not have made up a more perfect sign from God.

 On October 4, 1989, I realized that I was getting out of control due to my religious zeal and, as per my brother's recommendation, I admitted myself into a psychiatric ward as I saw this as an opportunity to establish the truth by telling my story to a psychiatrist and he would surely be able to tell that no other Christian astronomer living at this time has experienced an account as unique as mine. After assuring me that, "What will be, will be. The medicine should not matter," my doctor would tell me that my signs from God were merely loose associations and that my belief that I was in Revelation 12:5 was a delusion and was a departure from reality---which shocked me that my credibility would ever be questioned by anyone!

 In the hallway of the psyche ward while my doctor was between seeing patients, I cornered him, showed him my old driver's license and explained to him the extraordinary coincidence of the renewal date matching the date of Denise's heart-lung transplant operation and how that was a one out of a 1000 coincidence. My doctor nodded in acknowledgment and went about treating other patients.

 Two weeks after admission, I was drugged out of my gourd from the meds that I had blindly agreed to take and I was so extremely embarrassed of the belief that I had when I entered the hospital.

 One month later, that belief came back and I admitted myself back into the hospital to try one more time to obtain 'validation' and once again, 11 days later, I was discharged feeling horrible from the side effects of the meds.

 Years later, I would realize that of all the things that my doctor knew for certain when he met me, two of them were:

 1) He did not know whether or not I was truly in Rev. 11:3 and Rev. 12:5

 2) He knew that he would never know whether or not I was in Rev. 11:3 and Rev. 12:5

 After spending an excruciatingly miserable winter of 1989-1990, my doctor changed my meds to very mild ones and, three weeks later, I could not believe how good life could feel again. In my manuscript I wrote, "In April, 1990, life was again sweet. I was very thankful to my doctor for ridding me of the 'Revelation Demon'."

 I once again became productive at work, though I did not like my job as well as my previous one.

 On June 5, 1990, I wrote a 15 page letter to Denise's father, partly to explain the delusion that I had suffered from and that I was $10,000 poorer and almost lost my job. In my letter, I referred to that driver's license coincidence and wrote, "I wondered why God would allow that one out of a 1000 coincidence to trip me up even further."

 I made a copy of that lengthy letter and gave it to my doctor the next morning, to which he asked me, "What do want me to do with this?"

 I replied, "I just want you to read it. I feel better with you having it."

 I primarily wanted my doctor to know that I had a better understanding of my delusion. A night or two later, as I pictured Denise's parents reading my letter (and hoping that it would tug at their consciences), I thought of the reference I made to that one out of a 1000 driver's license coincidence and realized that it was similar to a baseball hitter having a 0.999 batting average---a pretty darn good one! At that moment, a physiological sensation flowed from the top of my brain throughout my nervous system and my whole body had a warm flush feeling for a second or two. I immediately suspected that this sensation was caused by the cumulative effect of all the medicine that I had taken during the previous seven months and I decided to see my doctor the next morning concerning the significance of that driver's license coincidence.

 At about 6:30 a.m. the next morning, I approached my doctor in the hallway of the psyche ward and I told him, firmly, "That driver's license wasn't a sign from God. It was a billboard from God with a small hole in it."

 In a slightly disgusted tone of voice, my doctor asked me, "If you ARE this person, what are you worried about? I have patients to attend to. I don't have time for you!"

 I slowly turned away from him with my jaw dropping very far with, I am sure, a very astonished look on my face. I don't think that anyone can understand the level of shock that registered inside of me when this same doctor who had spent the previous eight months telling me and convincing me that this whole belief that I had discovered in a timely way was an unfortunate delusion was now telling me that it might be true after all.

 I would be approved for disability retirement in October, 1990, partly because I couldn't concentrate on my job when I had this pre-ordained destiny consuming my mind and also partly because I hated my job which seemed extremely trivial in comparison.

 I moved back to southeast Missouri, fully expecting to reunite with Denise and we would prepare for our worldwide ministry that scripturally would take place between Fall, 1992 through Spring, 1996 and then we would be killed by the Antichrist in the person of Boris Yeltsin who I would be announcing to the world was the aspiring Antichrist and my and Denise's fulfillment of Revelation 11:7-13 would show this and I could not wait to prove lots of people wrong!

 And then on December 13, 1990, I began to think the unthinkable: What if there really is no Antichrist? I caught myself wondering if this was wishful thinking on my part to be spared of the fate described in Rev. 11:7-13. I then began to consider the immense suffering that I went through for my faith and, of course, Denise also went through indescribable suffering with her heart-lung transplant operation and recovery and I began to see that these are the trials and sufferings that the Two Witnesses would go through. I also knew of a pre-existing principle that argued against the concept of an Antichrist and it is one that I learned in the early 1980s through my interest in investing, the Principle of Contrarian Opinion, which says:

                                  "Whenever there is a wide consensus on a point, it is usually wrong."

 This was true in October, 1929 and also in 2000 when bullishness on the stock market was so extreme that everyone who was planning to buy stocks had bought, leaving the market vulnerable to selling pressure, thus sending the market down.

 I thought, "Every Bible has the Antichrist story in the Book of Revelation."

 So, to implement the principle of contrarian opinion, I mailed a letter of warning (containing the Matthew 24:29-30a prophecy) to Moscow and also mailed a copy of that letter to The Wall Street Journal.

 The following November, 1991, I committed myself to conducting a letter-writing effort to those in the highest positions of power, authority, and influence for the rest of my life and am continuing to do so (though it has slowed down considerably as of late).

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 Dr. Ferguson,

 In the narrative that I e-mailed to you before this one that describes my key turning point experiences between August 11, 1989 through December 13, 1990, it ends with my realizing that the scene described in Revelation 11:7-13 may very well be incongruent with reality. This led me to mailing a several page letter to the Kremlin in Moscow containing what I concluded is the only plausible interpretation of Matthew 24:29-30a and I mailed a copy of this letter (which I wrote anonymously) to The Wall Street Journal. I would later look back on mailing those two letters as being the beginning of demonstrating to myself that the Antichrist concept is a myth and that I have suffered enough.

 Two months later, in February, 1991, I stopped by an empty Catholic church in Poplar Bluff, Missouri to pray for a few minutes, anxiously waiting to hear from Denise (as I had written letters to her family explaining my situation). I also asked God why doors were not opening up for me at a time when it seemed that doors should be opening up for me as I simply could not get anything 'off the ground' despite the conventional wisdom, it seemed, that this outwardly open ministry, by definition, should certainly get off the ground.

 I then got up the courage to talk to a Catholic priest and, after exchanging a few pleasantries, I had to ask him, "Are you aware of Matthew 24:29?!"

 The priest cautiously replied, "I think it has to do with the Last Days."

 I then recited Matthew 24:29-30a to the priest as I had this scripture memorized since age 9 or 10 and I then rattled off those three 1999 celestial events described in my web posting and I would later put on cards.

 The priest replied, "Yes, I've heard of that," which struck me as very odd.

 I told this priest that Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation speaks of Two Witnesses who are to prophesy. I sheepishly admitted to him, "I went to a psychiatrist to try to get a piece of paper saying that I was one of those Two Witnesses but I didn't get one."

 I feared for what kind of negative reaction this priest might have for me and he gently pointed out, "None of the prophets had a piece of paper."

 After I realized what this priest was saying, I exclaimed, "That's right!" And I thought, "Come to think of it, Jesus didn't have a piece of paper, either."

 When we parted company, this priest told me, "1999 will be nice."

 Three months later, in May, 1991, I wrote in a letter to the late Dr. Carl Sagan of Cornell University, "I guess it took me a long time before I realized that no one is going to walk up to the boy in Revelation 12:5 and say, 'Hey, you are the center of Revelation.'"

 I moved to Hannibal the following month, June, 1991, and I mentioned to my mother that I was weaning myself off of the meds which, as you can imagine, greatly concerned her and she insisted that I see my psychiatrist to find out what meds I should be taking.

 I agreed to see him and I was kind of curious of what my doctor thought of my beliefs. So, on June 19, 1991, I saw my doctor for a 30 minute session and I explained to him that my mother insisted that I see him. I raised my arms up along both sides of my head, flipped my hands backwards and I flippantly told my doctor, "I'm in Revelation and that's it."

 He prescribed 5 mg Navane and explained, "This won't change your thoughts but it will help your thinking."

 I told him that I still thought that I was meant to publicize this interpretation of Matthew 24:29-30a to the world.

 My doctor asked me, "You want to prophesy?"

 I replied, "No, interpret."

 He asked, "Tell the world?"

 I replied, "Yes."

 He asked, "Why?"

 I exclaimed, "So people will get their act together! To reduce the odds of there being an Antichrist."

 He replied, "I thought you said that there was no Antichrist."

 I replied, "I don't know."

 For the first time, I explained to him how I associated Boris Yeltsin with '666' on September 18, 1989 (two weeks before I first met my doctor). I went on to tell him how I mailed a letter of warning to Moscow and a copy of that letter to The Wall Street Journal six months earlier hoping to make a difference.

 As this session drew to a close, I welled up with a fierce sense of anger and self-pity and I yelled at my doctor, "A year ago, it dawned on me that no one's going to tell that boy (in Revelation 12:5) who he is!!"

 My doctor gently replied, "I think you're right," followed by him looking up at me twice from his note pad, which I knew was unusual and out of character for him to do and I wondered what that double glance meant. I occasionally pondered on that double glance during the next four months until I realized on October 21, 1991 that he had told me the words that I had waited 21 months to hear my doctor tell me: "I think you're right."

 (I jumped up off my sofa and wrote on my wall calendar on that date, 10-21-91, "I.T.Y.R.")

 Years later, I was able to better express this in that my doctor's double glance was likely his way to let me know that I had gained an insight that perhaps a first year psychiatry major knows and that is:

 "If any person is ever born into this world who has a genuine, scripturally pre-ordained destiny, that no human being is going to tell that person that he or she does, indeed, have one."

 At the end of my last session with my doctor on June 19, 1991, he gave me the unsolicited advice, "Don't talk about it," which seemed to run against conventional wisdom for me at that time but, fortunately, I eventually understood why he gave me that advice, as I told a woman in 1998, "I see two reasons why he gave me that advice:

 1) If I am wrong, bad things happen to me if I talk about it.

 2) If I am correct and I talk about it, bad things happen to me."

 This woman observed, "You lose either way." And I nodded my head in agreement.

 In April, 1993 was the Waco tragedy involving David Koresh and the Branch Davidians and some commentators at that time worried that with the approach of the turn of the millennium that there may be more groups like them pop up. And this is what led me to write my manuscript, starting in May, 1993, to try to head off such groups--plus I needed to record my quite extensive biographical details before it became a real struggle to recollect them.

 I was in touch with a vanity press at the time and they told me on July 6, 1993 that I needed Denise's written permission to include her many letters to me (which are very glowing and flattering of me) in my book should it get published. That upcoming Saturday, July 10, 1993, was Denise's day of worship and I decided to make the four hour trip from Hannibal to her church to obtain her written permission and I planned to mail a note to her parents telling them of my plan to come down (at this time, I am not on the best of terms with them, to put it mildly).

 Before I mailed that note, I called the sheriff of Denise's home county to tell him of my plan to come down that Saturday and the reason why.

 The sheriff replied, "Oh, the Rauls girl (Denise) passed away a couple of weeks ago."

 I, of course, was shocked (but not surprised as it had been nearly 5 years since Denise's heart-lung transplant operation). I asked the sheriff, "Did you hear it from a reliable source?"

 He replied, "Oh, it had been going around that she had been going down for a while."

 I finished by saying, "Well, I'll definately not be going down there."

 I took a brief hiatus from writing my manuscript over the next few days and I knew how my manuscript (and my personal account with Denise) would probably conclude---I just didn't know when, for sure. It was a very strange feeling as I was all by myself and very alone in this thought process. My recollection of what I wrote near my manuscript's conclusion is:

 "I once again realized that Dr. Frazier's words, almost religious in nature, would prove to be true: 'What will be, will be. The medicine should not matter.' On June 1, 1989, I pictured Denise and myself as being the Two Chapter 11 Witnesses and as I thought these thoughts on July 10, 1993, I noticed a small smile emerging on my face. I was going to be able to undercut Eddie (Denise's husband) after all. Today, the fifth anniversary of learning of Denise and her plight would be a superb day to declare Denise to be the female witness of Chapter 11 of Revelation! I was very pleased to give Denise an honor that her family did everything in their power to keep from her."

 ************************************************

 Well, Bethany, because I am a hunt-and-peck type typist, using only one hand, my right hand is getting that 'carpal tunnel feeling' so I am going to have to stop. I did want to give you a substantive account of how my manuscript concludes. I really did, all along, want to reconcile with Denise and I was able to.

 (Do you understand why I believe that my manuscript is 'The Second Greatest Story Ever Told'?)

 ************************************************

 The answer to the number progression problem is: '5'

 The sum of the digits in each number is 10. (i.e. 4+1+2+3=10)




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I watched tonight's evening news and not one word was mentioned about the "Day of Rage" that was supposed to happen in many U.S. cities today.  Must have been a great day for the sound of crickets in those locations.

I hope that this serves as a valuable lesson for those who were suckered into believing these ridiculous Internet stories.

But it probably won't be.

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As well it should, given the myths being accepted as truth by most Christians concerning the End Times.

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Trump or Hillary?

Just who IS the lesser of two evils?  (No need to give your reasons.)

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Debates / Thank You, Alan, For Your Voice of Reason
« on: Wed May 04, 2016 - 18:48:24 »

Thank you, Alan, for concluding the thread, "Is the Roman Catholic church, Christian or Pagan?"  with your unbiased observation:


"Whether anyone agrees with the proceedings, history, or traditions of the Catholic Church, they are all by all means Christian.

This thread is locked."





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I don't know if sharing the recorded true experience of mine below violates any of this forum's rules. The moderators are welcome to delete this if they wish.

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In July, 1998, on the top floor of the old St. Elizabeth's Hospital here in Hannibal, I attended an Open House for an agency that provides assistance to individuals who wish to live independently, thus the name for this agency, NorthEast Independent Living Services (NEILS), its office actually located in what was the maternity ward of this one-time hospital, where four of my five siblings and I were born between 1954 -- 1964. One woman who attended this Open House was from St. Charles, Missouri (about 90 miles away), tall and slender, in her late 30s or so, and wearing a long-length sun dress and a stylish straw hat with a wide brim, and who had a relative who received services from NEILS.

 While I was sitting on the floor, leaning my back against the wall near where this woman was standing, I gave her a Matthew 24:29-30a prophecy card, explained it to her as briefly as I could (as I've had much practice doing so with total strangers during the previous six years) and I finished by telling her, "If you had the time, I would tell you why I've been motivated to mail this card with short letters to embassies of key foreign nations in Washington, D.C. since 1992."

 This woman replied, "I've got about 15 minutes."

 I proceeded to do just that, explaining to her the process of my discovery, including the key exchanges between my psychiatrist and me between October, 1989 through June, 1991, and also the pivotal conversation that I had with a Catholic priest in Poplar Bluff, Missouri in February, 1991 in which this priest gently pointed out to me that none of the prophets mentioned in the Bible had obtained a piece of paper from a psychiatrist that stated that he or she was, indeed, a Bible prophet, which shocked me greatly at that time. When I got to the point with her in which I learned, around the age of 10, that my mother had conditionally dedicated my life to be a Catholic priest when she feared for my survival when I was born, I told this woman that that terrified me greatly because I feared Catholic priests and have had a lifelong fear of public speaking.

 This woman told me, "You're doing just fine now," in which she and I could not help but smile, slightly, at each other.

 When I got to the end of explaining the process of my discovery with this woman, I concluded with my psychiatrist's unsolicited advice for me at the end of my last session with him, which was, "Don't talk about it," and I added, "I see two reasons why he gave me that advice:

 1) If I am wrong, bad things happen to me if I talk about it.

 2) If I am correct and I talk about it, bad things happen to me."

 This woman observed, "You lose either way." And I nodded my head in agreement.

 By this time, this woman needed to head back home and I walked with her out of this closed-down hospital building and as I sat down outside the glass entrance door at the top of a high set of concrete steps in front of the building, overlooking the street where her SUV was parked, I gave her a copy of my four page mass mailing letter to the embassies of 175 foreign nations in Washington, D.C., dated April 16, 1998 (which I kept in a small satchel that I often carried with me at that time), which she kindly thanked me for. I also decided to give her one of my Revelation 12:5 // 1/2 Revelation 11:3 business cards. As this woman walked down the steps towards her SUV, I explained to her, "I'm really just doing the same thing that John the Baptist did in that I am heralding Christ's Second Coming. After enough medicine and psychotherapy, it's really not that hard to do."

 As I finished my sentence, this woman had just reached the outside of her SUV's driver's door. She then turned back around and slowly retraced her steps in her long dress and she slowly climbed back up the flight of concrete steps to where I was sitting and after she reached me, she stopped and extended her hand out to me. I smiled at her as this woman and I held each other's hand, she and I slightly smiling just a bit at each other, both of us motionless for 4 or 5 seconds. (I certainly was not accustomed to this kind of a reaction after explaining my belief system to others.)

 She then gracefully descended back down the steps and got into her SUV and she began her long trip home.

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End Times Forum / Thank You, Jaime
« on: Thu Mar 31, 2016 - 16:27:37 »

Thank you, Jaime, for closing down the deteriorating "Finally this Truth is Being Revealed in These End Times" thread.

I have long believed that God does work through individuals. 

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Here is an interesting opinion piece about Donald Trump. (I'm leaning towards voting for the fourth place Republican candidate, John Kasich, in next week's presidential primary election here in Missouri.)

             http://www.wsj.com/articles/suffering-from-trumphobia-get-over-it-1457565216

To me, the interesting point of this piece is the following:

    Before the 1980 election, Reagan’s opponents said he would ignite a nuclear holocaust. Didn’t happen.


Unlike the fear of Islam, which is a rational response to Islamist violence across the world, the fear of  Donald Trump really is a phobia. There is a precedent for this: the panicked Reaganphobia that preceded the 1980 election. We heard that  Ronald Reagan was a member of the John Birch Society—whose essential creed was “Better Dead Than Red.” He therefore rejected “mutual assured destruction,” the bedrock strategy of the liberal consensus to guarantee coexistence by nuclear deterrence. Reagan, it was said, believed in “counterforce,” that is in a disarming first strike to win a nuclear war.

Mr. Trump irritates many with his vulgarities but Reagan was insistently depicted as a threat to human survival, so that most of the columnists and editorial writers of the quality press reluctantly called for  Jimmy Carter’s re-election, despite the clamorous failures of his hopelessly irresolute administration. In Europe there was no reluctance. In London, Paris and Bonn, then the capital of West Germany, the re-election of Jimmy Carter was seen as a necessity to keep the bomb-thrower Reagan out of the White House, and well away from the nuclear button.

So many eminent people, including  W. Averell Harriman, adviser to five U.S. presidents and chief negotiator of the 1963 Limited Test Ban Treaty, asserted that Reagan wanted to start a nuclear war that the KGB went on maximum alert from inauguration day for more than two years, forcing its officers around the world to take shifts on 24-hour watches of all U.S. strategic air bases to detect the telltale simultaneous launchings of a nuclear first strike.

In 1983, two years into his first term, Reagan did send U.S. troops into action to fight a war . . . in tiny Grenada, whose 133 square miles was the only territory that Reagan invaded in eight years. As for nuclear weapons, Reagan horrified his advisers at the 1986 Reykjavik Summit with  Mikhail Gorbachev with his eagerness for nuclear disarmament, thereby disclosing that he didn’t even believe in strike-back, let alone in attacking first. He wanted ballistic-missile defenses, not ballistic missiles.




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Here is a web link to a very interesting web page from a Catholic source discussing and explaining how Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecies from the Old Testament:


http://www.catholicbasictraining.com/apologetics/coursetexts/1o.htm

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End Times Forum / Four Blood Moons
« on: Tue Apr 07, 2015 - 19:39:04 »
I am rather amused by the Christian ministers and End Times prophecy experts who, for some reason, find some prophetic significance in the four total lunar eclipses in 2014 - 2015.  Total lunar eclipses (blood moons) occur so frequently that, if noteworthy, Christ should have returned to earth nearly every year after he ascended.

The celestial events described by Christ in Matthew 24:29 that Christ said shall occur prior to His return to earth make no mention, at all, of a blood moon.  But that doesn't keep recognized non-astronomer End Times prophecy experts from flailing away in their attempts to "sell their wares" to the Christian public.

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Here is a very impressive collection of charts that I found on this web page:


https://www.google.com/search?q=chart+of+seven+years+of+tribulation+timeline&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XhYjVfSlDsPVoAS5koH4Bw&ved=0CB0QsAQ&dpr=1

The poll question is:

                      Do You Believe That God Will Neatly Follow Any of These Man-Made Charts For The End Times?

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End Times Forum / A Sure Sign of the Coming Apocalypse
« on: Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 17:00:24 »

Isaiah 65:25

 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."


         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMDBu-_mRks&safe=active

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End Times Forum / End Times Fallacies
« on: Tue Dec 16, 2014 - 18:38:50 »
Yes, I believe that Christ's return is relatively near. In 1998, I used the phrase that, "I believe that Christ will return sometime during the lifetimes of most of those who are now living."

But He will return without this Antichrist, Armageddon, Seven Years of Tribulation, Rapture scenario that has been erroneously taught to the Christian masses.

Mark my words.

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It is so nice and refreshing to see a major Christian leader state the truth that Creationism is wrong.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html


The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared.
 



Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”.

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.

“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.

“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

The Catholic Church has long had a reputation for being anti-science – most famously when Galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his “heretic” theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun.

Pope Francis look on during the unveiling of a bronze bust in honor of Pope Benedict XVI on October 27, 2014 at the Vatican Pope Francis look on during the unveiling of a bronze bust in honor of Pope Benedict XVI on October 27, 2014 at the Vatican  But Pope Francis’s comments were more in keeping with the progressive work of Pope Pius XII, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively welcomed the Big Bang theory. In 1996, John Paul II went further and suggested evolution was “more than a hypothesis” and “effectively proven fact”.

Yet more recently, Benedict XVI and his close advisors have apparently endorsed the idea that intelligent design underpins evolution – the idea that natural selection on its own is insufficient to explain the complexity of the world. In 2005, his close associate Cardinal Schoenborn wrote an article saying “evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense – an unguided, unplanned process – is not”.

Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy’s National Institute for Astrophysics, told the Italian news agency Adnkronos: “The pope’s statement is significant. We are the direct descendents from the Big Bang that created the universe. Evolution came from creation.”


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Bible Verses / The Most Amusing Scene Recorded in the Bible
« on: Mon Oct 27, 2014 - 17:21:54 »
Ever since I first heard this passage read aloud as a teenager in Catholic mass on an annual basis during the 1960s, this scene reprinted below is, hands down, the most amusing scene recorded in the Bible, in my opinion, with the "highlight" shown in bold type. For the past 20 years or so, have gone through life knowing a little bit of how Jesus felt during this walk to Emmaus after His resurrection:

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Luke 24:13-35  New International Version (NIV)

On the Road to Emmaus

Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.

He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”

They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”

“What things?” he asked.

“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.

When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.

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Here is a very interesting article that I found from an online course about the messianic fever that existed at the time of Christ in Israel.

http://college.online-bible-college.com/space/lesson/files/djc020.pdf


Messianic Fever

Israel in the first century was a society in foment. “Crushed by poverty and taxation,
the great mass of urban rabble was largely unable to live by all the Pharisees’
precepts regarding purity and tithing, or by the priests’ rules of ritual and
sacrifice. Their existence was frugal at best and could easily slide off into grinding,
impoverished misery.”

In any society, such social despair could easily incite a revolutionary uprising. But
Israel was no ordinary society. The Jews had a keen sense of their own Godordained
destiny, and this spiritual dimension sharpened their desire for things
to change. As N T Wright explains it:

“The Jews of Jesus’ day, as is well-known, were living under foreign rule and
had been for several centuries. The worst thing about that was not the high
taxation, the alien laws, the brutality of oppression and so on, awful though
that often was. The worst thing was that the foreigners were pagans. If Israel
was truly God’s people, why were the pagans ruling over her?”

To have the land of promise under the rule of pagan Rome was offensive to the
first-century Jew. He viewed the Gentile as “unclean.” This didn’t mean that the
Gentile was physically dirty; it meant he was spiritually dirty. And if the Romans
were spiritually unclean, then the land was contaminated by their rule.

The Jews were not strangers to foreign rule. As N T Wright points out:

“This state of [foreign occupation] had existed ever since the Babylonians
had come and destroyed Jerusalem in 597 BC, carrying away the Judaeans
captive into exile. Thus, though some of them had returned from geographical
exile, most believed that the theological state of exile was still continuing.
They were living within a centuries-old drama, still waiting for the turn in the
story that would bring them out on top at last.”

Nor were the local politics any better. Israel’s community, though governed by
Rome, was ruled on a day-to-day basis by Jews who were, in the eyes of the
common people, mere puppet extensions of Rome’s power.

With this historical background, we can understand why the Jews of the first century
were convinced that God would empower them to overthrow Roman rule, just as
he had empowered the Hasmoneans to overthrow Greek rule two centuries earlier.
It was unthinkable that the status quo of pagan rule would continue. And so
a cry began to rise – a cry for a savior, a Messiah, who would rescue them from the
tyranny of the rich, break the shackles of Rome and establish, finally, the kingdom of
God on earth. And when they heard of a young rabbi, just thirty years of age, who
taught in the synagogues with a unique authority, they flocked to hear him.

The time was right. All Scripture pointed toward the arrival of this unique deliverer.
The prophecies of Daniel, particularly his “Seventy Weeks” prophecy (Daniel
9:24-27), foretold that the Messiah would arrive in the fourth decade of the first
century, precisely the time when Jesus made his appearance. Daniel predicted that
“the Anointed One, the ruler” would come “to finish transgression, to put an end
to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up
vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” One apocryphal prediction, two
hundred years before Christ, had this to say about the coming Messiah:

“In his priesthood shall sin come to an end, and the lawless shall cease to do
evil. And he shall open the gates of paradise and shall remove the threatening
sword against Adam, and he shall give to the saints to eat from the tree of life,
and the spirit of holiness shall be upon them. And Beliar shall be bound by
him, and he shall give power to his children to tread upon the evil spirits.”

This messianic expectancy gripped the common people of Israel. They knew with
absolute certainty that their current state of affairs – being subjected to the rule
of a pagan power – could only be temporary and would change with the coming of
the Anointed One. Historical records indicate that many devout Jews cried out to
God three times a day for the arrival of the Messiah, praying along these lines:

“In your great mercy, O Yahweh our God, have pity on Israel your people...and
on the kingdom of the house of David, the Messiah of your righteousness. Let
the shoot of David sprout quickly and raise up his horn with your help. Blessed
be you, Yahweh, that you would cause a horn of help to grow.”

It was into this climate of messianic fever that Jesus would soon arrive with the
stirring proclamation: “The kingdom of God has arrived!”



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This is a poll that should yield some interesting results.

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End Times Forum / There's reason for optimism on Arab-Israeli peace
« on: Tue Jan 21, 2014 - 17:28:44 »

An article from The Guardian, 19 January 2014, by Michael Cohen

                       http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/19/israel-palestine-peace-john-kerry-optimism

There's reason for optimism on Arab-Israeli peace

Never before have the historical forces been so well-aligned for the achievement of a final deal. But, of course, we're not there yet.



It's quite possible that of all the people writing about the Arab-Israeli conflict these days, I'm the only one with any confidence that the current peace talks will lead to a positive outcome.

Generally, betting on a Middle East peace deal is the political equivalent of playing Three Card Monte. It's impossible to win. But, at the same time, there are real reasons for optimism about where this process might lead. In fact, Israelis and Palestinians may be closer to peace today than any point in the past 65 years.

This is, in part, the result of a number of historical currents that have come together at this moment. Israelis continue to remain generally supportive of a two-state solution; the Palestinians, while less supportive, have seen their political leverage slowly dissipate; and perhaps above all, the rejectionists on both sides but particularly on the Palestinian side (and I'm speaking here of Hamas) are in an unusually weak position.

But historical currents by themselves are not determinative. There is also the role of personality and contingency. Enter John Kerry.

When Kerry began his quixotic pursuit of a comprehensive peace deal, many were skeptical. But even the doubters gave begrudging hosannas to the approach he had taken. Unlike the flawed Oslo process, Kerry insisted that this round of peace talks aim towards the achievement of a final settlement on all outstanding issues. Even more importantly, he brought the neighboring Arab states into the mix by incorporating the Arab Peace Initiative, which calls for full recognition of Israel in return for acceptance of a Palestinian state. This had the effect of both giving Israel a major sweetener for a deal but also offered the prospect of marginalizing Hamas even further by drying up their support in the Arab world. It was a strong starting point.

Since then Kerry has kept up the pressure and created a negotiation structure that left both sides (but particularly the Israelis) with little choice to move forward or be blamed for any breakdown in talks. Case in point, earlier this month Kerry traveled to the region in order to get sign off from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Abbas on a framework agreement that would serve as the template for future negotiation. While the framework represents a rough set of principles, it will likely establish certain baseline ideas, like a Palestinian state oriented around the 1967 lines, that are anathema to the Israeli right-wing. As a State Department official said to me, "We strongly believe that the framework would be significant breakthrough in the process as we move toward a final status agreement/peace treaty."

This will likely leave a clear set of options for Bibi: sign the framework agreement and set Israel on the path to peace or don't and risk a break with the United States or worse (more on this in a second). Of course, much will depend on how decisively the framework agreement lays out the clear outlines of a final deal – and the extent to which it forces Netanyahu to adopt positions that he and his right-wing supporters have long rejected. But Netanyahu has bobbed and weaved his way during these negotiations and has refused to make conclusive moves in the direction of peace. Kerry is making it increasingly difficult for him to continue that charade.

The US secretary of state, however, is not alone in tightening the vise on Netanyahu. The Palestinians are playing their part as well – though, truth be told, more out of a position of weakness than strength. Considering the inclination of the Palestinian political leadership to, in the depressingly accurate words of former Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban, never miss an opportunity, it is quite possible (and many have speculated) that Bibi's approach to Kerry's gambit was to hope the Palestinian leadership would blow things up.

But with the head of Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas as supportive of a two-state solution as any Palestinian leader ever; with Hamas in a historically weak position and with Palestinians having largely turned their back on violence as a political tool the Palestinian leadership have stuck along with Kerry's diplomacy even they are almost certain to get something less than a good deal. Try as hard as he might to conjure examples of Palestinian duplicity, Netanyahu has failed, putting him and Israel in the uncomfortable position that if the talks don't move forward, it is Israel that will likely shoulder the blame – a fact not lost on the Israeli Prime Minister.

This matters more than it did in the past because it is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the growing signs of Israel's international isolation. For those not getting the hint, the message from Europe and, in particular, the European Union has been fairly clear. Over the past several weeks there have been repeated examples of European countries and companies putting Israel on notice. There were the guidelines put forward by the European Union last August banning EU grants or loans to Israeli companies doing business in the West Bank. Last month, a Dutch water company ended its business relationship with an Israeli firm that operates in the occupied territories and the UK Trade & Investment, a business promotion book, warned companies about the "reputational implications" of collaborating with Israeli settlements.

Yet at the same time the EU has said that a deal with the Palestinians would open up a floodgate of new investment and closer economic ties with the Jewish state. The Europeans have used both the carrot and stick with Israel – and made abundantly clear what will be the consequences of failure.

Finally, there is the pressure coming from inside Netanyahu's own government. Over the past several weeks, two of Bibi's more prominent coalition members – Tzipi Livni, who is helming the peace talks and Yair Lapid, who helms the second largest voting bloc in the Israeli Knesset, have hinted that they expect the peace process to move forward … or else. Livni's departure would not be a major problem for Bibi, but Lapid leaving would be something else altogether. It would force Netanyahu to create a new coalition in the Israeli Knesset – one composed almost exclusively of far right and religious parties.

Bibi could, of course, choose to go down that road or he could move forward with negotiations, sign the framework agreement and hope that an exit ramp somehow materializes along the way. In short, he could do what the recently deceased Ariel Sharon would never do – let others dictate decisions about Israel's future.

To some extent, however, the train has already left the station. Anything less than a deal in these talks – no matter who is blamed for their collapse – will almost certainly lead to a very dark future for Israel. No longer will a nation that rules over millions of Palestinian Arab, and denies the majority of them full political rights, be able to label itself the Middle East's only true democracy. Relations with the United States (particularly with the Obama Administration) will inevitably suffer. How much? No one can say for sure, but that uncertainly alone should concern Israelis.

The harsh criticism last week of Kerry by Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon – and the tough US reaction to it – offers one potential preview. Finally, the international sanctions and boycott effort will only gather steam; as too will Israel's growing international isolation.

For Netanyahu, the choice to make peace and give up the West Bank is increasingly the only good option he has left. The question now is whether Bibi realizes that the game is up or whether he fully appreciates the consequences of failure. The argument for optimism on the peace process is that never before have the historical forces been so well-aligned for the achievement of a final deal.

State Department officials speak to the "courageous decisions" taken on both sides to date: namely Netanyahu's agreement to release Palestinian prisoners and Abbas's assent to put off efforts to "upgrade the status of the Palestinians in international organizations". But, of course, far more difficult steps will need to be made to reach a deal that is acceptable to all sides. Ultimately, any breakthrough will come down to political leaders willing to make a decisive break with the past. We're not there yet.

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Here is some real info about the End Times, not myths such as Antichrist, Armageddon, etc.

"Kerry: Netanyahu and Abbas will have to make difficult choices in coming weeks"
 
               

                           http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.566722


Netanyahu and Kerry hold five hour meeting; Netanyahu: Israel questioning whether Palestinians are really interested in peace; Kerry in Israel for tenth visit in less than a year, to lay groundwork for framework agreement for peace talks.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Israel on Thursday as part of an intensive dialogue trip aimed at drafting a "framework agreement" with Israel and the Palestinians to determine the principles for a solution to the core issues of a permanent arrangement.

Kerry, who met first with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, told reporters at the start of the meeting that the sides would have to make some difficult choices over the next few weeks.

"We know what the issues are and the parameters," he added. "The time is soon arriving when leaders will have to make tough decisions. In the weeks ahead both sides will have to make tough choices."

During his meetings with Netanyahu and Abbas over the next three days, Kerry said, he planned "to work with both sides to narrow differences on a framework that will set guidelines for negotiations." The framework agreement would cover all of the core issues, he said, including borders, security, Jerusalem, refugee, mutual recognition, an end to the conflict and to legal claims.

The secretary of state emphasized that the framework agreement would be drafted in coordination with the ideas and positions both sides have raised in the 20 rounds of talks held over the last five months.

"The framework will address all core issues. My role is not to impose U.S. ideas but to facilitate the ideas of both parties," Kerry said. "We are 5 months into the peace talks. It's a long process but it is not mission impossible."

The secretary of state said that "the framework will provide agreed guidelines for final status negotiations. It will take compromise from both sides," he added "but an agreed framework will be a significant breakthrough."

"It will create the fixed defined parameters by which the parties will then know where they are going and what the end result could be," Kerry said. "An agreed framework will clarify and bridge the gaps between the parties so they can move forward towards a final peace treaty."

Kerry also praised Netanyahu for upholding his commitment to releasing Palestinian prisoners jailed before the Oslo Accords, despite the fierce criticism he faced in Israel. He also lauded Abbas for sticking with efforts to resume negotiations, despite opposition in the Gaza Strip and in the Palestinian leadership."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who spoke before Kerry, took the chance to attack Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and raise doubts on whether he could be a partner for peace. "Given the actions and words of Palestinian leaders we have doubts in Israel that they are committed to peace," he said.

Netanyahu also lay criticism on Abbas for failing to condemn the terror attacks carried out in recent weeks against Israeli citizens, at least one of which involved an officer from the Palestinian security forces.

 "Instead of preparing their people to peace, Palestinian leaders are inciting their people against Israel," Netanyahu said. "Peace means recognizing Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people. Abbas must reject terror and embrace peace."

Justice Minister Tzipi Livni also took part in the Kerry-Netanyahu meeting, along with Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon and Netanyahu’s envoy Isaac Molho. On the American side, was special envoy Martin Indyk and U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro.

The meeting lasted about five hours. A senior U.S. official told Haaretz that Kerry did not bring a draft of the framework agreement with him to the meeting.

Kerry will meet with Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Friday morning and then another long meeting with Netanyahu is planned. Later in the evening, Kerry will head to Ramallah for two meetings with Abbas.

Saturday night, he will return to Jerusalem for another meeting with Netanyahu, and he may hold additional separate meetings with both Abbas and Netanyahu on Sunday before heading to Jordan.

Kerry's visit, the 10th to the region in under a year, aims to lay the foundations of a "framework agreement" that addresses the core issues of the decades-old conflict and open the way for an independent Palestine, according to U.S. officials.

But on the question of borders, security, refugees and the status of Jerusalem, leaders from both sides have sounded far apart this week.

Senior American and Israeli officials both said that despite the intensive talks Kerry will hold, no breakthrough is expected during this trip and no framework agreement is expected to be finalized. But Kerry is planning to return to the region a week later for yet another round of shuttle diplomacy.

Foreign minister surprisingly positive

Several people who met with Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in recent weeks were very surprised by his positive statements about U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. Two of them, a senior Israeli official and a Western diplomat, said that Lieberman spent several minutes praising Kerry and saying that Israel needs to give his efforts to forge an Israeli-Palestinian deal a chance.

Lieberman’s positive statements about Kerry are partly due to his efforts to turn over a new leaf with the U.S. administration, after his first term as foreign minister was marked by considerable tension with Washington. Leiberman’s first meeting after returning to the Foreign Ministry in November was with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro; his first speech was devoted to urging the government to tone down its dispute with Washington over Iran’s nuclear program; and his first working trip abroad was to Washington.

But his positive statements are also due to a significant change in Washington’s attitude toward him since his return as foreign minister. A month ago, Kerry hosted Lieberman at a breakfast in Washington. Senior American and Israeli officials who attended the event said it was an excellent meeting – perhaps the best Lieberman has ever had with a senior American official.

Earlier on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Zeev Elkin said that “the 1967 borders are Auschwitz borders” and therefore Likud has to reject any proposal to withdraw from the West Bank.

Elkin, of the Likud party himself, spoke during a morning tour of settlements in the Jordan Valley attended by parliamentarians and ministers that are members the Land of Israel lobby.

The tour, in which Interior Minister Gideon Sa’ar (Likud) participated, took place a few hours before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry landed in Israel. Kerry is expected to meet Thursday evening with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the “framework agreement” for peace that the United States is interested in presenting to Israel and the Palestinians by the end of January.

“The Jordan Valley must be under Israeli sovereignty forever,” said Elkin at a dedication ceremony for a new neighborhood in the settlement of Gitit in the Jordan Valley. “Now of all times, in a government headed by Likud, in a settlement built by Likud, we can say loud and clear: You will remain here forever and there will be Israeli sovereignty here.”

Elkin added: “To all those who are now making proposals for Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders, there is only one reply, which was already given in 1969 by then- foreign minister Abba Eban: The 1967 borders are Auschwitz borders! The only reply that Likud government should give to such proposals is: No! It’s right to talk to our neighbors, but it’s illogical for them to ask us to give up the security of Israel’s inhabitants and Israel’s vital interests. Anyone who gives up the Jordan Valley will turn Kfar Sava into Sderot.”
 

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End Times Forum / The Hard Reality versus Myths
« on: Wed Dec 11, 2013 - 17:32:48 »


Here is today's article from Haaretz.com that details the hard reality versus the ongoing popular myth of Antichrist, Armageddon, etc. (may need to login as a member of Haaretz.com to access):


                            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.563011#

Officials: Americans to present framework agreement in weeks to Netanyahu, Abbas

Kerry, due to arrive in Israel tonight, is expected to ratchet up the talks after more than 20 meetings, officials say.

 By Barak Ravid | Dec. 12, 2013 | 12:58 AM


U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is due to arrive in Israel Thursday evening to discuss with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the administration’s intention to present a permanent status framework agreement to Israel and the Palestinians in the coming weeks.

Israeli and U.S. officials said on Wednesday that Kerry began discussing a “framework agreement” for a peace treaty with Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and the head of the Palestinian negotiation team, Saeb Erekat, in Washington on Monday.

In the four months since the resumption of direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians, the two sides have met more than 20 times. But both Israelis and Palestinians only presented their basic positions, and in recent weeks the talks began to flounder and were in danger of collapsing over construction in the West Bank settlements.

This prompted Kerry to ratchet up the talks, officials said. From sterile meetings in which each side entrenched itself in its positions, he decided to conduct real “give and take” negotiations on a more binding basis.

The Americans also changed their modus operandi. After being relatively passive, Kerry and his envoy to the talks, Martin Indyk, assumed a much more active role in the negotiations. If until a week ago the Americans spoke only of presenting ideas or “bridging proposals,” now they are talking about forging a “framework agreement” or, in plain words, presenting an American peace plan to the two sides.

Kerry pushing for decision time

Kerry’s goal is to bring Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to a point where they will have to make hard, dramatic decisions about all the conflict’s core issues. These decisions will determine the general lines of the final-status agreement between the sides and provide a basis for detailed negotiations on every issue.

On Saturday night, during his speech to the Saban Forum in Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama brought up the new direction.

“I think it is possible over the next several months to arrive at a framework that does not address every single detail but gets us to a point where everybody recognizes it’s better to move forward than move backward,” Obama told the annual gathering.

Kerry, who addressed the forum three hours later, outlined the U.S. direction in a more direct, detailed way. He said the solutions to each core issue are known from pervious negotiation rounds. He cited the outline presented by former U.S. President Bill Clinton in December 2000 and the Annapolis talks in 2007-2008 as a basis for these solutions.

“It is essential, in my judgment, to reach for a full agreement and to have a framework within which we can try to work for that. … A basic framework will have to address all the core issues – borders, security, refugees, Jerusalem, mutual recognition, and an end of claims. And it will have to establish agreed guidelines for subsequent negotiations that will fill out the details in a full-on peace treaty,” Kerry said.

Israeli and American officials said Indyk met Livni and Erekat for eight hours on Sunday. The following day Indyk, Kerry, Livni and Erekat held a three-hour meeting. At these meetings, the Americans discussed with their Israeli and Palestinian interlocutors their intention to put together a framework agreement.

Israeli and American officials said Kerry and Indyk are interested in forging the pact on the basis of issues raised in the 20 meetings between the parties in the past four months. They also want to base the agreement on talks they will hold with Netanyahu, Abbas and their negotiation teams over December and January, the officials said.

Kerry’s meetings with Netanyahu and Abbas on Thursday and Friday will deal mainly with this issue.

“The Americans are trying to hammer out the framework agreement together with the sides,” a senior Israeli official said. “They’re talking with the sides on the contents and working on the parameters with them, but ultimately they are also prepared to put their own principles in the agreement, in points where there won’t be agreements. They intend this agreement to be the basis for the continuing negotiations,” he said.

Netanyahu and his advisers believe the Americans will present the framework agreement to the sides in a few weeks. A senior Netanyahu aide said the agreement “will oblige the parties to make decisions and only then it will be possible to know if the peace talks will advance or blow up.”

Livni: ‘Window of opportunity’

Livni hinted at the direction the Americans are going in her speech at a conference of the One Voice organization at Tel Aviv University on Wednesday.

“Decisions must be taken by a leadership that understands the price we’ll have to pay if the right decisions are not made,” she said. “We are facing a window of opportunity for peace and must not miss it. I want those who sit beside me in the cabinet to know there’s a political price for not deciding in time.”

The Americans’ framework agreement may have an immediate impact on the government’s composition. Officials in Jerusalem expect the outline to give each side achievements, but also require them to make significant concessions. It is hard to see Netanyahu agreeing to this with Habayit Hayehudi in the coalition. On the other hand, Netanyahu can always add Labor to the government, officials said.
 

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If you have done some study on the subject of the rapture.
You fill find a good arguement for each theory (all backed by scripture. So it is safe to say that the rapture timing...Is a mystery of God.

Myself, I believe in a mid tribulation period rapture and that the Pre-Tribulation rapture is a deception by Satan for Christians.
Many times in the Old Testement, God tested his peoples faithfulness.  Abraham for example

Now when the greatest test of our faith as Christians is at our door steps....The "Well Trained" Christian, believes they will dodge Gods judgement (and chooses to close their mind to the possibility, that they may be tested by God during the tribulation.

You may have to face the first 1/2 of the tribulation

As I have opined before on other threads, there shall never be this embarrassing belief by many Christians called a 'Rapture'.

 

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End Times Forum / Is There Interest in Three of My Basic Writings?
« on: Fri Aug 23, 2013 - 17:02:10 »
This is a poll to see if there is a majority interest from those who vote (if enough votes are cast) if they'd like for me to post the following letters that represent much of my basic writings:

    1) My Cover Letter of a Four Page Letter to the Embassies of 175 Nations dated April 16, 1998

    2) My Introductory Letter to President George W. Bush, Sec. of State Powell, & Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld dated February 7, 2001

    3) My Introductory Letter to President Obama dated January 20, 2009


I have no idea if this is hugely rejected or if there is a genuine interest in this.  But rest assured that I will not bore this forum with these writings if a majority of those who vote are not interested. For many years now, I have found that negative reactions from many folks to what I euphemistically call 'My Second Vocation in Life' simply comes with the territory.


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End Times Forum / Question About The 'Rapture'
« on: Mon Jul 22, 2013 - 16:52:21 »
Do any of you agree with the following statement that I made about 10 years ago to a former engineering co-worker of mine?
 
"These people who believe that they will be caught up in a Rapture while everyone else wallows in misery under the domination of an Antichrist are the largest group of 'I-Told-You-So' wannabes ever to come down the pike."
 
Comments are welcome either way.

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http://www.astronomy.com/News-Observing/News/2012/09/New%20comet%20will%20light%20up%20the%20sky.aspx

New comet will light up the sky[/size]

This interplanetary visitor may be the brightest comet ever.

 By Michael E. Bakich — Published: September 25, 2012

About a year from now, Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) probably will become the brightest comet anyone alive has ever seen. How bright it could get is currently the subject of vigorous discussion among planetary scientists and everyday comet-watchers.

Two astronomers, Vitali Nevski from Vitebsk, Belarus, and Artyom Novichonok from Kondopoga, Russia, discovered the comet on images they obtained September 21. They used the 16-inch (0.4-meter) Santel reflector of the International Scientific Optical Network, whose abbreviation — ISON — is now the Comet C/2012 S1’s common name. When the two scientists found the comet, it glowed weakly at magnitude 18.8. As a comparison, it would take the light from more than 100,000 such comets to equal the faintest star visible to the naked eye from a dark site.

According to predictions, the comet will approach to within 0.012 astronomical units (1.1 million miles [1.8 million kilometers]) of the Sun at the end of November 2013. One astronomical unit (AU) equals the average distance between the Sun and Earth, about 93 million miles (149.7 million km). Then, in January 2014, the comet will approach to within 0.4 AU (37.2 million miles [59.9 million km]) of Earth.

Regarding visibility, Comet ISON — currently 6.5° due east of the 1st-magnitude star Pollux in Gemini the Twins — is now bright enough for amateur astronomers with large telescopes to image. That said, the comet itself will not show much in the way of detail for several months. By late summer 2013, observers at dark locations should be able to spot the comet through small telescopes or possibly even binoculars. And sometime in late October or early November, C/2012 S1 should cross the naked-eye visibility threshold. From there, it may reach — or even exceed — the brightness of the Full Moon.

When the comet is closest to the Sun (a moment astronomers call perihelion), it may shine a dozen times as brightly as Venus, normally the brightest “starlike” object in the sky. Unfortunately, on that date it will lie only 4.4° north of our daytime star, and the Sun’s glare may hide it from the view of casual observers.

Immediately after reaching perihelion, Comet ISON heads north. And while the comet fades as its distance from the Sun increases, it still should be as bright as Venus, but with a spectacular tail. Its position will allow observers all over Earth to see it, but those in the Northern Hemisphere will get the better views as Christmas approaches. In fact, on January 8, 2014, the comet will lie only 2° from Polaris — the North Star.

Astronomy will cover Earth’s encounter with Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) in great detail in the coming year. Stay tuned!


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I thought that this would be an interesting poll. You are welcome to share your comments on why you voted as you did.

I will wait a bit before I cast my vote.

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Does everyone here know about the daring attempt of trying to  land the next rover (named 'Curiosity') on Mars late Sunday night, August 5, 2012 (or early Monday morning, August 6, 2012) for those in the CT and ET times zones).

Here is an article and a three minute animation of this 'unusual' attempt to set Curiosity down on the martian surface using a rocket-powered 'sky crane':

    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/04/mission-to-mars-why-curiositys-landing-is-a-moment-to-savor/


I will be glued to the tube tomorrow night as the confirmation of touchdown is expected to be received at 12:31 a.m., CT, August 6, 2012.

I wouldn't be surprised if such a complicated maneuver fails.


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Who Among You Believe That There Will Be A Rapture Prior to Christ's Return?


I, myself, am certain that there will never be a Rapture.


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As most of you know, the Two Witnesses of Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation are described to have the following powers and abilities in Revelation 11:3-6:


And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

               *****************************************************************


Does anyone in this forum believe that if the Two Witnesses were to appear today, in the year 2012, they they will be able to actually do these things?

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Debates / Matthew 24:29-30a & Luke 21:25a
« on: Mon Jun 25, 2012 - 16:48:52 »
What celestial events will actually fulfill the celestial events described by Christ in Matthew 24:29 that He said shall occur just prior to His return to earth?                                   Matthew 24:29-30
New International Version (NIV)

“Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.


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