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Theology Forum / Baptism godsquadgeek Deut 30-Rom10
« on: Wed Jul 04, 2018 - 12:09:56 »
I WILL POST FROM ISAIAH 1 FIRST BUT THERE ARE MANY PROPHETIC TYPES ABOUT BAPTISM WHICH ARE USED Y NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS CLAIMING TO BE TAUGHT BY JESUS CHRIST IN HIS SPIRIT FORM.

WAS PETER AND OTHERS IGNORANT WHEN THEY TAUGHT THE ABSOLUTE DEMAND FOR BAPTISM AS A REQUEST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS?

FALSE CLAIM: Peter and Others were false teachers because there was no REASON for their demands and YOU don't have to obey because you are not a Jews.
 
AND IN A CHURCH NEAR YOU

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
        because they knew him not,
        nor yet the VOICES OF THE PROPHETS
        which are READ every sabbath day,
        they have fulfilled them in condemning him

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
        them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath [REST] day.

The PROPHETIC or more spiritual thread repudiated the PRIESTLY including the LEVITE CLASS.

Eph. 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
        but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the HOUSEHOLD of God;
Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [EDUCATED BY] the foundation of the APOSTLES and PROPHETS,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph. 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Eph. 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph. 3:3 How that by REVELATION he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye READ, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
)

The Spirit or Breath of God which inspired the PROPHETS (and not priests) define the future REST or School of Messiah both Inclusively and exclusively.
The Church is to be EDUCATED only by the Prophets and Apostles who were eye--and Ear--witnesses of Jesus and the Power of God.
Peter outlawed Private Interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING which would despise God's Spirit.

ISAIAH 1 IS A PROPHECY OF BAPTISM: IF PETER HAD VISITED QUMRAN HE COULD HAVE READ AN ISAIAH SCROLL
356-103 BCE and 150-100 BCE

FIRST LOOK AT THE FAILURE OF THE JEWS

Is. 1:2  Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
        I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
Is. 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master’s crib:
         but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a SEED of evildoers,
        children that are corrupters:
        they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked
        [blasphemaverunt] the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 1:8  And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Isaiah 1: 9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant,
        we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye RULERS of Sodom;
        give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

    Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
    which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified

The Spirit OF Christ contradicts. God said nothing about their mental attutude:

Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD:
        I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
        and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
 
Is. 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
        who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations;
        incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths,
        the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;
        it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Is. 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
        they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Is. 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands,
        I will hide mine eyes from you: yea,
        when ye make many prayers,
        I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

This very small remnant was preached to as the gospel was commanded to go to the Gentiles.

ISAIAH BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST (MESSIAH) THEN DEFINES BAPTISM WHICH WAS OBEYED BY CHRIST and commanded as the way to MAKE DISCIPLES or STUDENTS

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Theology Forum / How Long is Forever and Forever in Hell
« on: Sun May 13, 2018 - 15:10:39 »
Quote
The dead are in the grave; they don't have some "immortal spirit being" trapped in their bodies that cannot die, and thus must exist somewhere.

Eccl. 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is HIGH,

        H1364. gaboahh, gaw-bo´-ah; or (fully) gabowahh, gaw-bo´-ah;
        from 1361; elevated (or elated), powerful, arrogant:—haughty, height,
        high(-er), lofty, proud, x exceeding proudly.

and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden,

         H2284. chagab, khaw-gawb´; of uncertain derivation; a locust:—locust.

Eccl. 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
        and the SPIRITS shall return unto God who gave it.
        and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home,
        and the mourners go about the streets:

Locusts in the theology John refutes and prophesies about are the Muses or the Musical Worship Team of Apollon.  They are Musical Worshipers LED by Apollon and known as dirty adulteresses.  Their task is to separate those OF THE WORLD from those FROM ABOVE who are the spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save.  These spirits are PARKED in a Safe House free for the HIGH AND ARROGANT clergy.  Of those who have been SAVED and added to the church:

Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
       and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
       
       trans-ĕo 2. To go or pass over into any thing by transformation,
       to be changed or transformed into a thing
     
       Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this world:
             but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
             that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable,
             and perfect, WILL OF GOD [The Word, Logos Regulative Principle]

[/b]Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion,
        and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
        and to an innumerable company of angels,

Of Those who are added to the Ekklesia of Christ:

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, [Christ]
        which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
        and to the SPIRITS
        of just men made PERFECT,

Apollo, Apollyon [The Destroyers] or Abaddon



And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Rev 18:21
And the voice of harpers, and musicians [Muses], and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERERS were all nations deceived. Rev 18:23
    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints,
    and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev 18:24

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
       These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

Rev. 20:14 And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Theology Forum / SOTERION is Zeus, Apollon Hermes
« on: Wed Apr 25, 2018 - 14:49:56 »
The man, Jesus of Nazareth is the Christian SON of God and NOT a God.
The ANTI-Logos or ANTI Christ's Words is often ZEUS who was the Son of Chronos.  One son of Zeus was Hermes, Mercury or Kairos.  The Hebrew is Jehoshua

Jesus as the SOTER as the ANTITHESIS of  ZEUS

    g4990.  soter, so-tare´; from 4982; a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ: — saviour.
    g4982.  sozo, sode´-zo; from a primary sw◊ß sos (contraction for obsolete sa¿oß saos, “safe”); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): — heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

JESUS IS THE ANTIITHESIS of ZEUS as the Son of Chronos:

g4992.  Soterion, so-tay´-ree-on; neuter of the same as 4991 as (properly, concretely) noun; defender or (by implication) defence: — salvation.
2.  epith. of Zeus, Pi.O. 5.17, Fr.30.5, IG22.410.18 (iv B.C.), etc.; to whom persons after a safe voyage offered sacrifice,
b.  epith. of other gods, as of Apollon, Id.Ag.512, etc.; of Hermes, Id.Ch.2;

Apollon is the king over the locusts or MUSES and He is the Leader of the Musical Worship Team.  The music or locust image is of God SEPARATING the Grain from the CHAFF so that speakers, singers or instrument players are called SORCERERS and WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Pind. O. 5 Coming from the lovely homes of Oenomaus and of Pelops, [10]
        he sings of your sacred grove, Pallas protector of the city, and of the river Oanis, and the local lake, and the sacred canals with which Hipparis waters its people, and swiftly builds a tall-standing grove of steadfast dwellings, bringing this host of citizens out of helplessness into the light.
[15] Always, when it is a question of excellence, toil and expense strive to accomplish a deed that is shrouded in danger; those who are successful seem wise, even to their fellow-citizens.
       Savior Zeus, high in the clouds, you who dwell on
       the hill of Cronus and honor the wide-flowing Alpheus and the sacred cave of Ida!
       I come as your suppliant, singing to the sound of Lydian flutes,
       [20] entreating you to adorn this city with glorious hosts of noble men
; and that you, Psaumis the Olympic victor, delighting in the horses of Poseidon, may carry on to the end a pleasurable old age with your sons standing beside you. If a man cultivates both prosperity and health, being generous with his possessions and winning praise as well, let him not seek to become a god.

Aesch. Ag. 488 Now blessings on the land,
        blessings on the light of the sun,
        and blessed be Zeus, the land's Most High, and the Pythian lord;
[510] and may he launch no more his shafts against us. Enough of your hostility did you display by Scamander's banks; but now, in other mood, be our preserver and our healer, O lord ApolloN.
        And the gods gathered here, I greet them all; him, too,
        my own patron, [515] Hermes, beloved herald, of heralds all revered;
        and the heroes who sped us forth, I pray that they may receive back in kindliness
        the remnant of the host which has escaped the spear.


THE KAIROS CHURCH PLANTERS repudiate the Historic Scriptures and the Church.  They claim that Jesus came AT THE RIGHT TIME but they do not grasp that JESUS Came with a SWORD in His world AGE or the Messianic age RESERVED UNTO FIRE. 

KAIROS. Kairos as a distinct personification first emerges in the middle of s. v B.C., when Ion of Chios composed a hymn in his honour. Pausanias^ mentions it a Kairos of an altar to him in the north-eastern part of the Alfis : ' Hard by the entrance into the Stddion are two altars. One they call the altar of Hermes Enagdnios, the other that of Kairos. I am aware that Ion of Chios actually made a hymn to Kairos and in his hymn gives the genealogy of Kairos as the youngest of the sons of Zeus.' It has been conjectured with some probability that this hymn was written for the original dedication of the Kairos-altar at Olympiad.

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Theology Forum / Passages on uses of PROPHET
« on: Tue Apr 03, 2018 - 15:21:08 »
Many words used in Greek, English and most developed languages are flexible. A word. is DEFINED by how it is used in context. As far as I can research none of the words translated as Ghost or Spirit identify a PERSON.

WIND or STORMS are one of the strongest means of POWER to change.  Spirit is WIND: watch out for the figurative language.

Psa. 35:5 Let them be as chaff before the WIND [spirit]: and let the angel of the Lord chase them.
2Sam. 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the WIND. [spirit]
Hos. 4:19 The WIND hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

Humans might be body (flesh) soul (capable of moving) and SPIRIT.

God's Spirit is to GOD as our spirit is to us:

1Cor. 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man,
          save the spirit OF man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man,
          but the Spirit SPIRIT God.

Spirit is LIFE and that which KNOWS and can control

Gen. 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
        and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH of LIFE;
        and man became A LIVING [springing] SOUL

BREATHED: h5301. naphach, naw-fakh´; a primitive root; TO PUFF, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem):—blow, breath, give up, cause to lose (life), seething, snuff.

BREATH: 5397.   nshamah, nesh-aw-maw´; from 5395; A PUFF i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:—blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

SOUL: 5315.  nephesh, neh´-fesh; from 5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath,

MANY PASSAGES SHOW THAT THESE WORDS ARE THE SAME AS WORDS TRANSLATED SPIRIT OR HOLY SPIRIT.

2Sam. 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered,
        at the rebuking of the Lord, at the BLAST of the BREATH  of his nostrils.

BLAST is the same as BREATHED in Gen 2:7 : 5397.   nshamah, nesh-aw-maw´; from 5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:—blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

BREATH in Gen 2:7 is Hebrew SPIRIT h7307 roo´-akh; from 7306;
            WIND;
            by resemblance BREATH, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation;
            figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality;
            by extension, a region of the sky;
            by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):—
            air, anger, blast, breath, x cool, courage, mind, x quarter, x side, spirit((-ual)),
            tempest, x vain, ((whirl-))wind(-y).

BREATH or Spirit in GREEK: g4151. pneuvma pneuma, pnyoo´-mah; from 4154;
            A CURRENT OF AIR
            i.e. BREATH (blast) or a breeze;
            by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul,
            (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
            or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine)               
                    God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit: — ghost, LIFE, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590.

The body of flesh is made of physical elements.  However, God puts SPIRIT or LIFE or INTELLECT into him.

Eccl. 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail:
          because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
        and the SPIRIT shall return unto God who gave

There are many passages which show that SPIRIT is MIND which gives LIFE to DUST.
Spirit never defines a PERSON but the Mind or Mental disposition of that Person.
It is not wise to try to make every mention of "spirit" mean HOLY SPIRIT which is the NATURE of God.
It is always a MARK FOR AVOIDANCE when people claim that THE HOLY SPIRIT leads them beyond Scripture and tels them to tell YOU that you must GIVE UP your property to THEM. This is the meaning of HERESY.



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Theology Forum / Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« on: Wed Mar 14, 2018 - 15:35:06 »
Most if not all religious wars--literally and polemical--have been based on the Temple and Animal Sacrifices as God's commanded system of worship because mankind had not evolved enough to worship IN the Spirit (place). Because the quoted text is confusing I will move some CLEAR text here.

All institutional religions are based on The Book of The Law as modified by direct inclusions and exclusions.

God's Holy Fire ACU

"A major task facing our churches is the reintegration of the Old Testament into the regular teaching, thinking and PRACTICE of the church" (p. 49).

1. "Eliminating the Old Testament from our canon severely curtails our understanding of the character and activities of God..." (p. 49).
2. "Recovering the Old Testament conversely could transform us more fully into what we have always sought to be--Churches of Christ" (ibid.).
3. "Recognizing that the Old Testament functions just as fully as the New in the canon of the church...." (p. 63).
4.  "Too often, we in churches of Christ have made a mistake in removing the Old Testament, for practical purposes, from our canon. The hole in Scripture has produced a hole in the PRACTICE of our faith" (p. 66
).

THE ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE OF THE PROPHETS MAKES A SWAMP.

However, there is no exception to the truth that Scripture and the Historic Scholars. Both the Tabernacle and Temple was to quarantine animal HOLOCAUSTS inside the gates at only ONE APPROVED place: at Jerusalem called Sodom

John Chrysostom Homilies Acts Chapter 7 Stephen Against the Law and Temple

http://www.piney.com/FathChrysHomVII.html

And yet the Gentiles also had been driven out: for that is why he mentions this: "Whom God drave out," he says, "before the face of our fathers.

    Whom He drave out," he says:
         and even then, no Temple!
    And so many wonders,
         and no mention of a Temple!
    So that, although first there is a Tabernacle,
         yet nowhere a Temple. "Until the days of David,"
    he says: even David,
         and no Temple!

"And he sought to find favor before God" (v. 46):
       and built not:- so far was the Temple from being a great matter!
      "But Solomon built Him an house." (v. 47.)

They thought Solomon was great: but that he was not better than his father, nay not even equal to him, is manifest.

    "Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
    as saith the prophet, Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool.
" (v. 48, 49.)

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Churches of Christ Forum / Campbell, Stone, the Kingdom, and Baptism
« on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 22:26:37 »
The Church of Christ CORE was and should always be those things under attack. They have had close to zero success in restructuring churches as happened a 100 years ago.  Those who professed to being baptists turned the church over to Baptists. Those who claimed to be Christian Church birth turned the church over defacto to the Christian church (my personal investment).  I don't think they changed any minds.

A.  The Kingdom of God is that Church for which He Shed His blood: all of the churches in locations are centered around Christ who now has all authority.  Historical churches were all Churches of Christ even when they were distinguished as baptizers.  The church was called The Church of Christ centuries before Rome took political control and lost their spiritual roots.

B. You cannot be saved if you refuse to obey that great  promise of baptism: only after you have obeyed that "pattern capable of being imitated are you THEN free from sin." The Bible and historic scholars affirm: modern scholars deny.

C. The Synagogue (and ekklesia) was a WEEKLY time of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word. Jesus ordained the Lord's Supper as a visual image: the church came together weekly and they ate the Lord's Supper weekly and Justin says that the deacons took the supper to the "shut ins."

D. As A School of Christ the Church of Christ rejects instruments defined as machines for doing hard work when Jesus still returns as Spirit to be out only teacher when the Elders teach that which has been taught.  If you go beyond scanning you will discover that using instruments caused all of the falls because people then and now believed that the gods lived in and spoke through their instruments. That removed the Word of God from the "attention" which is the only NT worship concept.

They  cannot refute those things and are not called upon to "infiltrate and divert" with a long agenda to reshuffle the owners out and a new flock in.

Be advised that when they tell you that they are REMOVING legalistic burdens then in fact have ADDED burdens so that "church" goes 24/7 with a massive "staff" to replace the vocational deacons and built temples like Solomon's for which Stephen said they had no authority.  Deacons were also the ministers by which they gained a good "degree." The body is involved and does not have clergy.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
        as they that count it pleasure [Hedonism: sensual pleasure, LUST. Outlawed Rom 15]
        to riot in the day time.
        Spots they are and blemishes,
        sporting themselves  Rising up to PLAY
        with their own deceivings
        while they feast with you

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,
Truph-ē ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, “tōn gunaikōn hē t.” Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia,

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlous” X.Smp.9.2; “meta tinos” LXX Ge.26.8;

2Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

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