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Theology Forum / Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Tue Sep 18, 2018 - 12:31:46 »
Since the WATCHERS are after me and I have been ANATHEMATED I will try to post Scripture. Anathema is any thing or PERSON who is set up or sets himself up to ADORN or ENHANCE anything which God has ordained.  They or It cannot be REDEEMED and must be BURNED.  Vocal or Instrumental (noise) performed by those claiming authority with God is always associated with:

First, Silencing the Voice of the Victim: it is Sacred Violence.

The King of Tyre (who made Solomon a temple like his) is the PATTERN for Lucifer whom the Spirit calls "the singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the Garden of Eden.

The Word or Logos IS God's Regulative Principle: it outlaws personal opinions, personal experiences, rhetoric, singing, pllaying instruments, anything METRICAL because God breathed and Jesus SPOKE without METRON most often meaning MUSICAL METER.

-Anathêma , /, (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, “a. ek leitourgiōn” Lys.26.4.  agalma, delight, ornament, “molpē t' orkhēstusanathēmata daitos” Od.1.152, cf. 21.430, tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children,

    Leitourg-ia  III. public service of the gods, “hai pros tous theous l.” Arist.Pol.1330a13; “hai tōn theōn therapeiai kai l.” D.S.1.21, cf. UPZ17.17 (ii B.C.), PTeb.302.30 (i A.D.), etc.; the service or ministry of priests, LXX Nu.8.25, Ev.Luc.1.23.

Lys. 26 4  But I find no difficulty in countering those statements.
       As regards the public services, I say that his father would have done better
       not to perform them than to spend so much of his substance:
       for it was on account of this that
                he won the confidence of the people
                and overthrew the democracy;
      and so our memory of these deeds must be more abiding
             than of the offerings he has set up1 in record of those services.
            1 In the temples at Athens, Delphi, etc.

None of those OF THE WORLD (from beneath) want to give the Man Jesus any credit.  It was Jesus (the SEED) of Abraham and David who was MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ 30 years AFTER he came IN THE FLESH.

Jesus is always spoken of AS A MAN and of those who said

John 10:33 The JEWS answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for blasphemy;
        and because that thou, being a MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED [at age 30 at His Baptism],
        and SENT into the world,
        Thou BLASPHEMEST
        because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:37 If I do not the works OF MY FATHER, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works:
        that ye may know, and believe,
        That the Father is in me, and I in him.

WHEN JESUS SAID, THEREFOR, MY FATHER AND I ARE ONE MEANING UNITED. God IS The WORD or Regulative Principle which OUTLAWS any thing humans can SELL. The WORD or God's Regulative or Governing principles BECAME FLESH when Jesus articulated THE FATHER'S Word through DOUBLE-EDGED SWORDS or His Lips.

God the Father INHABITS the universe or UNIVERSES.  Pity those who think that the singular ALMIGHTY would fit INSIDE OF or BECOME flesh and bones and thus CEASE to be SPIRIT based on the teachings of Jesus.  IN or Eis does not always men INSIDE OF.  I am Pretty certain that God is not INSIDE of those He has ANATHEMATED proven by ANY human hypocritic word or Art CLAIMING to be FROM GOD and therefore a Lying Wonder.  Any person or thing which is CLAIMED to enhance God and His Word are declared ANATHEMA: they CANNOT be Redeemed and MUST be BURNED.

OF THE SON, His NAME shall be Called Elohim. He will NOT BE, in Hebrew the LORD [YHWH] the only TRUE God or [ELOHIM]

Theology Forum / The Book of Amos: people don't want you to know
« on: Sat Sep 15, 2018 - 20:04:50 »
From another thread SOMEBODY seems SPOOKED:

Amos 8:11-12, “Behold, the days come, -- that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they (the people) shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Amos 8:1 Thus hath the Lord God shewed unto me: and behold a BASKET of summer fruit.
Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou?
        And I said, A basket of summer fruit.
        Then said the Lord unto me,
               The end is come upon my people of Israel;
                I will not again pass by them any more.

Keluwb (h3619) kel-oob'; from the same as [b]3611[/b]
; a bird-trap (as furnished with a clap-stick or treadle to spring it); hence a basket (as resembling a wicker cage): - basket, cage.

As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich. Je.5:27

Keleb (h3611) keh'leb; from an unused root mean. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.


For dogs have compassed me: the assembly [multitude, swarm] of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Ps.22:16

Yea, they are greedy GOGD which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Is.56:11

And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. Je.15:3

Amos 8:3 And the SONGS of the TEMPLE shall be HOWLINGS in that day, saith the Lord God:
        there shall be many dead bodies in every place;
        they shall CAST them forth with silence.

Howlings 3213. yalal, yaw-lal´; a primitive root; to howl (with a wailing tone) or yell (with a boisterous one):—(make to) howl, be howling.

The Church or Academy in the wilderness defined by John Calvin is to GUARD against the ASSEMBLIES of the CYNICS.   Paul calls the the CONCISION and EXCLUDES them from those who worshipped IN THE SPIRIT in contrast to modern RELIGIONISM which is worship IN THE FLESH.  The Cynics were old time PRAISE SINGERS and the literature indicates that they were like wolves or dogs seeking someone for the night.  The TESTIMONY about the CYNICS is used by instrumentalists to say that PSALLO means PLUCKING a harp but it almost always speaks of plucking hair.

strīdeo , barbaraque horribili stridebat TIBIA ,” GNASH -cantus , ūs, m. id., 2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,” Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,” Hor. C. 3, 7, 30:
B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum. Ov. M. 7, 195; 7, 201: “at cantu commotae Erebi de sedibus imis Umbrae ibant,” Verg. G. 4, 471: “magici,”

       Cerbĕrus “portae,” i. e. of the Lower World, cănis , kuōn, kunos; a. A shameless, vile person, 2. As the regular designation of the hangers-on or parasites of an eminent or rich Roman; a follower, dog, creature:

Tibia large SHIN BONE II.Transf., a pipe, flute (orig. made of bone) quĕrŭlus
II. Poet., transf., of animals and things, softly complaining, uttering a plaintive sound, murmuring, cooing,warbling, chirping,CAPELLA the Goat Constellation and Mother Goddess “Phrygio curva sono,” Tib. 2, 1, 86: “sub cantu querulae tibiae,  “adunco tibia cornu,” Ov. M. 3, 533: “infracto Berecynthia tibia cornu

    Verg. A. 11.737
    Then to the conflict dire
    the god thrust Tarchon forth, the Tyrrhene King, [model of LUCIFER]
    goading the warrior's rage.
       Why dressed in steel, or to what purpose wear
    your futile swords? Not slackly do ye join
    the ranks of Venus [Zoe, Eve] in a midnight war;
    or when fantastic pipes of Bacchus call
    your dancing feet, right venturesome ye fly
    to banquets and the flowing wine—what zeal,
    what ardor then! Or if your flattering priest
    begins the revel, and to Iofty groves
    fat flesh of victims bids ye haste away
Cat. 64, 264:

Those with the gear enwombed in crates dark orgies ordained—
Orgies [1 TIM. 2]  that ears profane must vainly lust for o'er hearing—
Others with palms on high smote hurried strokes on the cymbal,
Or from the polisht brass woke thin-toned tinkling music,
While from the many there boomed and blared hoarse blast of the horn-trump,
And with its horrid skirl loud shrilled the barbarous bag-pipe
Showing such varied forms, that richly-decorated couch-cloth
Folded in strait embrace the bedding drapery-veiled.
    This when the Thessalan youths had eyed with eager inspection
   Fulfilled, place they began to provide for VENERATE Godheads,

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God,
        that I will cause the sun to go down at noon,
        and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning,
        and all your SONGS into lamentation;
        and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins,
        and baldness upon every head;
        and I will make it as the mourning of an only son,
        and the end thereof as a bitter day.
Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God,
        that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
        but of hearing the WORDS of the Lord:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea,
        and from the north even to the east,
        they shall run to and fro to seek the WORD of the Lord,
        and shall not find it.

There is a PANIC of Church Councils promothing the CHRISTIAN WORLD VIEW which is the view of the KOSMOS, The ECUMENICAL or the Kingdom of the Devil.  You have to be MARKED to buy and sell. You must QUICKLY Affirm or Confirm to all "religionists" as a way to CALL ON THE ROCKS (and ROLLS) to fall on you.  They sing and pray for God to SEND HOLY FIRES.

Amos 8:13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
Amos 8:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say,
        Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth;
        even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

The PROGRESSIVES mock the Word, Logos or REGULATIVE principle which oUTLAWS rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting or any human WORDS.  These again are SIGNS of the end time: Jesus has been there removing the ACTORS and THE LAMBS (seven spiriits) and has BEEN THERE and GONE and will not pass by Again.[/size]

Isaiah 55-57 by the Spirit OF Christ on the LAW OF SILENCE.


It is hopeless to discuss with ANYONE not able to venture beyond ONE-VERSE-PROOFS trashing the Word of God, The Logos,  The Regulative Principle which outlaws personal opinions or personal experiences or RHETORIC which hides the TEXT:

Theology Forum / Deforming Truth: Church of Christ is A SECT
« on: Sun Aug 26, 2018 - 14:50:41 »
Flalse Charges against Churches of Christ The Anti-Logos-Anti-Christian, Anti-Regulative principle: 

Attacking Churches of Christ who always believed in God's right to Regulate anything done in His names, Buff writes. the ACAPPELLA charge is THE major Cause for slander and overt attacks on those who REFUSE to let others CONFISCATE their property so that they can have a Musical Worship Team both vocal and instrumental claiming the role of Jesus to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

5. The primitive colony of believers did not enact a formula that says all things within the realm of religion must be proven right or wrong by a] Direct Command, b] Approved Example, or c] Necessary Inference.

That's true: Throughout the Bible and all writers about the Apostolic Church OUTLAWS doing anything in His name which He did not command.  In Jeremiah 23 saying that God commanded something He did not command is called in the latin BLASPHEMY.

False Accusation: The a cappella Church of Christ does. 

This divisive group decrees that all things pertaining to the Christian walk must be proven by one of these postulations. However, the scriptures nowhere specify this kind of creedal legislation. That some things are substantiated by command, verified by example, and confirmed by inference or implication no one will deny. But to combine these three premises into a rigid creed and legislate that everything we do must find its basis in this kind of restrictive theology, is to make laws where God has made none.


Critic specifically claim that GOD COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC in worship and the Historic Church of Christ made a law which PREVENTED people from confiscating their property.  However, any casual reader knows that:

1. There is no command, example or remote inference of anyone singing and playing instruments in a congregational sitting.

2. Beginning with "Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden mechanical noise makers have always been associated with making war to confuse people so that their property could be stolen.

3.  Mechanical machines never made "music" and the noise is always associated with BURNING.

God is the WORD in the same sense that He is LIGHT. Jesus spoke the LOGOS and limited teaching to what He taught  as revealed in the Prophets.  Scripture is fill with MARKING as Anti-God those who deny that He has "delivered all that pertains to life and godliness.

Before listing some of God's REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE beginning with Eve, note that blaming the historic Church of Christ is the mantra always heard when people NEED your congregation so that they can save more soles by adding Musical Idolatry as a last-days sign.

The WORD or LOGOS is God's Regulative and Governing Principle: It outlaws rhetoric, poetry or any metrical speech, singing, playing instruments or acting. All of these STOP the learning process and intend to "make the voices of the lamb dumb before the Logos.  Christ is the FOCAL Word or Regulative Principle: to MOCK it is to be ANTI-CHRIST.


A Confession of Faith of the Waldenses, bearing date A.D. 1120, taken from the Cambridge MSS. 378

Article X: Item, we have always accounted .
       as an unspeakable abomination before God,
       all those inventions of men, namely,
       the feasts and the vigils of saints,
       the water which they call holy 
As likewise to abstain from flesh upon certain days, and the like; but especially their masses. The Waldenses: Sketches of The Evangelical Christians of the Valleys of Piedmont (Philadelphia: Presbyterian Board of Publication, 18

The Churches of Christ didn't invent that. FALSE TEACHERS love to hate.

Catechism of the Ancient Waldenses for the instruction of their Youth, composed in the 13th century.
Min. By what mark knowest thou the false ministers?
Ans. By their fruits; by their blindness; by their evil works;
       by their PERVERSE doctrines,
       and by their undue administration of the sacraments.
Min. Whereby knowest thou their blindness?
Ans. When not knowing the TRUTH, which necessarily appertains to salvation,
        they observe HUMAN INVENTIONS as ordinances of God.
        Of whom is verified what Isaiah says,
        and which is alleged by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Matt. 15., “This people honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”


Ezek. 33:30 Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,
        Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord.
Ezek. 33:31 And they come unto thee AS the people cometh,
        and they sit before thee as my people,
        and they hear thy words, but they will not do them:
        for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
Ezek. 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them
        as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice
        and can play well on an instrument:
        for they hear thy words, but they do them not.

Churches of Christ--maligned daily--did not define a HYPOCRITE as one who sings with a beautiful and plays and instrument.  These were God's PATTERNS of those who neither SPEAK the Word nor intend to OBEY the Word.

The Law was to govern the Civil Society.
The Prophets defined as the TESTIMONY of Jesus as the SPIRIT of the Prophets.
The Spirit defined those with NO LIGHT IN THEM.[/size]


Theology Forum / Acts 21 Comes Before Acts 22 Part 3
« on: Sun Aug 26, 2018 - 10:25:29 »
Being FILLED WITH HOLY SPIRIT or having the Spirit poured out DOES NOTHING but CONVEYS the Word of God by the "BREATH" of God:

Ef-fundo  to pour out, pour forth, shed, spread abroad “cultus in VERBIS,
“spiritum,” Tac. A. 2, 70.— [Breath]
A. In gen.: “effudi vobis omnia, quae sentiebam,” i. e. have freely imparted: “procellam ELOQUENTAE
Prŏcella  3. Of a storm of eloquence: I observe, understand

A true prophet was sent to Paul to warn him not to go to Jerusalem.  Paul went to Jerusalem to debunk Jewish Purification and Preach THE GOSPEL

God had warned Paul that if he went to Jerusalem he would be taken captive.  However, Paul had something to deliver to Jerusalem besides help.  Jesus had told him that he would be a WITNESS to the Jews and kings.  How better to spend you liberty and life than fulfilling the PROPHECY the only way possible. 

When Paul got there.

And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses,
      saying that they ought NOT to circumcise their children,
      neither to walk after the CUSTOMS. Acts 21:21
What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together:
      for they will hear that thou art come. Acts 21:22

Do therefore this THAT WE SAY TO THEE:
       We have four men which have a vow on them; Acts 21: 23
Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges [pay their expenses] with them,
       that they may shave their heads:
       and all may know that those things,
       whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing;
       but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21: 24

You will notice that Paul did not agree with them.

This Nazarite vow existed long before the Law of Moses:


In general the later legislation of the Rabbis was intended to discourage vows, on account of their frequent abuse (Nedar, i., iii., ix.). It was declared that only evil-doers bound themselves in this manner, while the pious gave of their own free-will. Where a vow affected the interests of others, every endeavour was to be made, to get him who had made it to seek absolution from its obligations, which might be had from one 'sage,' or from three persons, in the presence of him who had been affected by the vow. Further particulars are beyond our present scope.

All persons vowed unto the Lord had to be redeemed according to a certain scale; which, in the case of the poor, was to be so lowered as to bring it within reach of their means (Leviticus 27:2-8). *

* The Mishnah declares that this scale was only applicable, if express reference had been made to it in the vow; otherwise the price of redemption was, what the person would have fetched if sold in the market as a slave.

Can't you see GOD working here to get THE GOSPEL PREACHED?  THE JEWS SAY:Let's do a test. Just compromise and they will love you. No, it is a fact that when you fellowship others to prove your judgmentalism that they are fine, they will wrestle your lambs away from you because you are weak shepherds and don't deserve them.

Paul could never enter INTO the Holy Precincts and therefore could have had nothing to do with the Temple rituals

Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple
       to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification,
       until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. Acts 21: 26

Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself with them
      and went into the temple [OUTER COURT],
      to give notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled
      and the offering presented for every one of them. Acts 21:26RSV


The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them.

THEN he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end
and the offering would be made for each of them. Acts 21:26NIV

What Happens When You Compromise.  You get to carry out your command and DO NOT make an offering.

Oh, saved from offering by the Seekers who always hate compromisers. Paul and the men were outside of the temple and they were still waiting for the ending of the prescribed time period:

PAUL OFFERED UP HIS LIFE TO BE ABLE TO SAY AS HE LATER REPEATED THE EVENT THAT the only Spiritual purification giving A holy spirit or A pure Conscience.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Theology Forum / Hebrews and DENYING the BLOOD and BAPTISM PATTERN.
« on: Thu Aug 23, 2018 - 11:11:41 »
According to Paul those who have not TURNED to Christ, been CONVERTED or been BAPTIZED cannot read BLACK text on BROWN paper.  Posting the Blood-Baptism is a waste of time so I PARK some of THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN.

Heb. 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great HIGH PRIEST
        that is passed into the heavens,
        Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb. 4:15 For we have not an high priest
        which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
        but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb. 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace,
        that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

YOU cannot come before the Throne of Grace until you ACCEPT the Sacrifice and pass through the LAVER.
Heb. 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest;
        but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son,
        TODAY have I begotten thee.
Heb. 5:6 As he saith also in another place,
        Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

I.E. Not enrolled as a Levitical and Aaronic Priestood.  Genesis 49 forbids people from entering into a covenant with Levi or attend any of their assemblies or synagogues.  They must WAIT for Shiloh or REST.  Most religions OF THE WORLD used the CARNAL MONARCHY period as their PATTERN.

Heb. 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh,
        when he had offered up prayers and supplications
        with strong crying and tears unto him
        that was able to save him from death,
        and WAS HEARD in that he feared;
Heb. 5:8 Though he were A SON,
        yet learned he OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered;

        John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED,
        and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
        Jesus was owned as a son only AFTER he fulfilled
        or followed up His Righteousness by beiing baptized.

Heb. 5:9 And being made perfect,
        he BECAME the AUTHOR of eternal salvation unto ALL them that OBEY

    Heb. 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the AUTHOR and FINISHER of OUR FAITH;
            who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
            and is set down at the RIGHT HAND of the throne of God.

Heb. 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying,
        that the WAY INTO the holiest of all was not yet made manifest,
        while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

No one can come before the THRONE OF GRACE until they have obeyed the PATTERN of Jesus by fulfilling the GOSPEL preached by Isiah beginning with BAPTISM which Jesus RESTATED in Mark 16.

Theology Forum / Despise Ye The Church of Christ and God
« on: Tue Aug 21, 2018 - 14:42:32 »
Throughout recorded history whatever the Doctrine or Dogma, No one has hesitate to call themselves The Church of Christ. I will post a running history link later.  When the assembly is called the Church (ekklesia) of God it is always that which Jesus purchased with HIS OWN BLOOD.  It is His Bride and His Kingdom:

1Cor. 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

1Cor. 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Cor. 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,
        Take, eat: this is my body,
        which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Cor. 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup,
        when he had supped, saying,
        This cup is the new testament in my blood:
        this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

         Eph. 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife,
         even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church:
         who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
         that in all things he might have the preeminence.

         g4409.  proteuo, prote-yoo´-o; from 4413;
         to be first (in rank or influence): — have the preeminence.

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the GOSPEL OF CHRIST
        for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
         to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Which is not the gospel of the gospel but:

Matt. 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee,
        teaching in their synagogues,
        and preaching the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM
        and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

The Church as visible Kingdom is the Kingdom OF Christ
        Eph. 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger,
        nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
        hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

    2Pet. 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting KINGDOM of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

1Pet. 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

Col. 1:18 And he is the HEAD of the body, the CHURCH:
        who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
        That in all things he might have the preeminence.

    ASSEMBLY: g3831.  paneguris, pan-ay´-goo-ris; from 3956 and a derivative of 58; a mass-meeting, i.e. (figuratively) universal companionship: — general assembly.

The Assembly as a PLACE and MAKEUP of a gathering.  In Athens, the Civil Ekklesia and Synagogue met on the PNX above and removed from the Agora or marketplace to which Jesus consigned the Pipers and singers which was a LAMENT as the root of "singing>

    g1577.  ekklesia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): — assembly, church.

Eph. 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
      to the saints which are at Ephesus,
      and to the
faithful IN Christ Jesus:

Eph. 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person,
        nor covetous man, who is an idolater,
        hath any inheritance in the KINGDOM of CHRIST and of God.

    Acts 28:31 Preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD, and teaching those things
            with all confidence, no man forbidding him.


Organum was a simple style of "the pope's worship team" where no instruments were allowed in the Sistine Chapel or CAPER named after a General's Goat Skin Chapel.

A Pope IMPORTED castrated Opra singers to aid or replace the FALSETTOS (CCM) singing ORGANUM. When the Catholics were prevented from castrating young boys they invented TROUSERS SONGS.

"In its earliest written form, found in the treatise Musica enchiriadis (c. 900; "Musical Handbook"), organum consisted of two melodic lines moving simultaneously note against note.

"Sometimes a SECOND, or organal, voice DOUBLED the chant, or principal voice, a fourth or a fifth below (as G or F below c, etc.). In other instances,

the two voices started in unison, then moved to wider intervals. Both melodies might in turn be doubled at the octave. Early organum of this sort (9th-11th century) was, it seems, spontaneously produced by specially trained singers before being committed to manuscript.

This harmonizing technique, called organum, is the first true example of harmony. The first instances were extremely simple, consisting of adding a voice that exactly paralleled the original melody at the interval of a fourth or fifth (parallel organum).

It should be noted that MELODY does not define HARMONY.  The a cappella singers in the Sistine consisted of several members but it began in unision and sometimes a "one note" melody which was like Hebrew cantillation.

No faithful Church of Christ in ALL periods of church history were never called ACappella a newly-invented RACA word.  One congregation does not define others.

Of the ANTI-ACappella group:

Cic. Planc. 35.86 When no one knew what were the feelings of those men who by means of their armies, and their arms, and their riches, were the most powerful men in the state, then that voice,
        rendered insane by its infamous debaucheries,
        made effeminate by its attendance on holy altars,
                 kept crying out [carmen] in a most ferocious manner
                 that both these men
                 and the consuls were acting in concert with him.
        Needy men were armed against the rich,
         abandoned men against the good, slaves against their masters.

    Delitzsch on Psalms: Moreover, we must take into consideration the facts that the compass of the tenor extends even into the soprano, that the singers were of different ages down to twenty years of age, and that Oriental, and more particularly even Jewish, song is fond of falsetto singing. We therefore adopt Perret- Gentil's rendering, chant avec voix de femmes, and still more readily Armand de Mestral's, en soprano; whereas Melissus' rendering, "upon musical instruments called Alamoth (the Germans would say, upon the virginal)," 

    "Hebrew music... was used in the luxurious times of the later monarchy the effeminate gallants of israel, reeking with perfumes, and stretched upon their couches of ivory, were wont at their banquets to accompany the song with the tinkling of the psaltery or guitar (Am. v1. 4-6), and amused themselves with devising musical instruments while their nation was perishing... music was the legitimate expression of mirth and gladness, and the indication of peace and prosperity." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 590).

Theology Forum / Ephesians 2 Jewish Remnant the only ELECT
« on: Fri Aug 17, 2018 - 10:43:24 »
When the word SAVED is use it begs the question: SAVED FROM WHAT?

The prophecy was that Jesus would come to create a SAFE HOUSE from the World for which Jesus said He did not pray and from whom God hides.  The Latin is an UMBRELLICUM to protect from the wind and rain of the religion of the WORLD meaning all but a small remnant of Jews and Gentiles who would accept the election or invitation.  Jesus said that the kingdom does not come with observation but is within us. Observation includes religious observations or operations beyond Apt elders "teaching that which has been taught."

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, AND be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
        and to all that are afar off,
        even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
       Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

G4646. skolios, skol-ee-os´; from the base of 4628; warped, i.e. winding; figuratively, perverse: — crooked, froward, untoward. [Skolion singers in the Symposia off limits to elders]

These are the Race of Vipers who will be "baptized wiith Spirit (wind) and Fire defined as the winnowing process.


Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them [the Church or kingdom] about three thousand souls.

In Ephesians 1 Paul is speaking to the SAVED and need to keep alert or awake lest thieves break in and steal your lambs.  Been there, done-to three times.

Theology Forum / What does God pouring out HIS Spirit mean?
« on: Wed Aug 15, 2018 - 14:39:03 »
A Scholar of note sent me chapters out of His new CENTER OF ATTENTION and asked me to discuss it. We did for a few days until the line went dead.  Even as the MOST POWERFUL one edicating our youth the practice--which even Erasmus wrote against--of seeing the "spirit" word as as always meaning a person.

THE SCHOLAR: The backdrop to identifying the Spirit in the New Testament is provided by the main metaphors for the Spirit in the Old Testament. Wind or breath is the most prominent, but there are several others: a warming or even a raging fire (“[H]e will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire” [Isa. 4:4]);  OIL, as in anointing (“The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me because the Lord has anointed me” [Isa. 61:1]);

Is. 61:1 The SPIRIT of the Lord God is UPON me;
        because the Lord hath anointed me to PREACH
        good tidings unto the meek;
        he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
        to proclaim liberty to the captives,
        and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

You will note that the Dove rested upon Jesus and did not invade His body. The Dove causing the voice of God to be heard may have been to refute Semiramis as the mother-spirit in Babylon and again in Romans 17.

God's Spirit inspired the word ANOINTED because Jesus would be the CHRIST as the antithesis of Messias easily confused as the goddess who brings on religious reveling with singing, playing and worse.

    Prophesying of Jesus whom God anointed
    g5548  Chrio smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication)
          to consecrate to an office or religious service: — anoint.
 Deut. 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
            like unto thee, [like Moses]
            and will PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH;
            and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

When God pours out HIS Spirit the result is SPEAKING WORDS.

Prov. 1:23 Turn you at my reproof:
        behold, I will pour out my SPIRIT unto you,
        I will make KNOWN my WORDS unto you


Ef-fundo  to pour out, pour forth, shed, spread abroad “cultus in verbis,” Quint. 3, 8, 58.—
“spiritum,” Tac. A. 2, 70.— [Breath]

A. In gen.: “effudi vobis omnia, quae sentiebam,” i. e. have freely imparted, “procellam eloquentiae

    Sentiebam  to feel, perceive, observe,

    Prŏcella  3. Of a storm of eloquence:
    I observe, understand

        Quint. Inst. 8 6.7 On the other hand, when we say that a man is kindled to anger or on fire with greed or that he has fallen into But it is a purely ornamental metaphor when we speak of brilliance of style, splendour of birth, tempestuous public assemblies, thunderbolts of eloquence 


When GOD'S SPIRIT fell on or was poured out on Cornelius he,  as a Roman, praised God in the form of Hebrew the doubters could understand and were intimidated enough that Peter to command BAPTISM because he was sent to tell Cornelius HOW TO BE SAVED.A

Theology Forum / Phds say Cornelius was saved BEFORE he obeyed
« on: Fri Aug 10, 2018 - 22:05:18 »
People love to mock the Five Finger Exercise Scott used to teach children.  There are STEPS. If you want to get to New York there are say "5 steps." The steps depend on where you are. Jaime I believe used the word cumulative.  Paul does a good job on the steps.

Romans 10:1 BRETHREN, my hearts desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,
           but not according to knowledge.

Romans 10:3 For they, being ignorant of Gods righteousness,
          and going about to establish their own righteousness,
          have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Submitting is the Greek Hupotasso (g5293) hoop-ot-as'-so; fRomans 5259 and 5021; to subordinate; reflex. to OBEY: - be UNDER obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is
           the end of the law for righteousness
           to every one that believeth.

Righteousness means to be WITHIN the circle of God's grace. It means that no one is ceremonially defiled. It does not mean that people are saved simply because Jesus died on the cross.

A Jew who believed in Jesus necessarily GRADUATED fRomans the Law.

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,
           That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.


Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,
           Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?
           (that is, to bring Christ down fRomans above:)

Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep?
           (that is, to bring up Christ again fRomans the dead.)

Romans 10:8 But what saith it?
           The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart:
           that is, the word of faith, which we PREACH;

    But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart,
               that thou mayest do it. Deut 30:14


Romans 10:9 That if thou
           shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
           shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him  the dead,
                      thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:10 For with the HEART man believeth unto righteousness;
           and with the mouth cofession is made unto salvation.

CYCLE TWO: all who believe and practice righteousness are accepted. Both Jew and Gentile are ceremonially purified so that they can CALL upon the name of the Lord.

This is not FAITH as a one step process of salvation: the SUBJECT is WHOSOEVER and NO DIFFERENCE.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

A DISCIPLE will want to see what ASHAMED meant.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek

Romans 10:13 for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
           For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

     Zep 3:9 For then will
         I turn to the people a pure language,
         that they may all call upon the name of the Lord,
         to serve him with one consent.

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, AND in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.


Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him
           in whom they have not believed?
           and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
           and how shall they hear without a preacher?
           And how shall they preach, except they be sent?

Romans 10:15 as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them
           that preach the gospel of peace,
          and bring glad tidings of good things

    Euaggelizo (g2097) yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo; fRomans 2095 and 32; to announce good news ("evangelize") espec. the gospel: - declare, bring (declare, show) glad (good) tidings, preach (the gospel).

CYCLE FOUR: those who HAVE believed HAVE obeyed the gospel

Romans 10:16 But they have not all OBEYED the gospel.
         For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath BELIEVED our report?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard?
          Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth,
          and their words unto the ends of the world.

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know?
           First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy
           by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith,
           I was found of them that sought me not;
           I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith,
          All day long I have stretched forth my hands
          unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.


Theology Forum / Truth about Potter And Clay For Cracked Pots
« on: Fri Aug 03, 2018 - 09:34:53 »
Commenting on RB's cryptic proof texts:

The God of the Scriptures is a Sovereign discriminating God, who is likened unto a ‘potter’ who has power over the clay to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor! A Sovereign who is answerable to NONE but Himself! A God who doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and NONE can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest THOU? [Dan 4:35]A Sovereign who hath mercy on whom He will and hardens whom He will! [Rom 9:18] A Sovereign who knows the end from the beginning, and calleth those things that are not as though they were and makes His people willing in the day of His power! A Sovereign who hath created ALL THINGS for Himself, yea even the wicked for the day of evil, and causes the wrath of man to praise Him! [Prov 16:4; Psalm 76:10]

Few who claim to be Christians know THIS God! The God THEY believe in is a frustrated idol who keeps hoping

The Church of Christ as His HOUSE is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles. Before He spoke through His SON God breathed His Word on the prophets who define the Assembly of Christ of Christ both INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY.  Paul was literate because his family raised Him up attending the Church or Synagogue which was FAITHFUL to the PATTERN of REACHING the Word by READING the Word ONCE a week when everyone had a Sabbath or REST DAY.

These prophecies were by the Spirit OF Christ (Messiah): 1 Peter 1:11; 2 Cor 3; Revelation 19:10

If you are PROPHET-IGNORANT then God HIDES from the WISE or Sophists: speakers, singers, instrument players. The CRACKED POTS do not RING when you STRIKE THEM.

Rom. 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?
          Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom. 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay,
        of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom. 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
         endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom. 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy,
         which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom. 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

RB knows Paul's POINTER which would be understood by young boys like Jesus or Josephus BUT he doesn't know the PROPHETIC TYPE which is the FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH which would be CERTIFIED by Jesus as His Father worked through Him.

I will finish the story for the not interesteds

Theology Forum / Update: Father and Son Diagrammed
« on: Mon Jul 30, 2018 - 17:00:25 »
I had to retire in 1979 in order to become a Disciple of Christ. From the first beginning with an Apple II and a self-written word processor it seemed a DEMAND that I post the TEXT to try to find a nested indented way to DIAGRAM the text.  2 Corinthians fell into place better than others.  However, God is an Inventor-Creator-Scientist-Mathematician and not a rosy-prosy-sister author. I know people hate it and say that they cannot understand it unless I just write a long paragraph. However, God would hurt me if I was able even to try.

The wordS are something you TASTE before going on to the next one. Jesus said My WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE.  For Instance, notice the attempted DIAGRAMMING of the Word at least claiming that you CARE.

Paragraph A.

Jer. 15:15 O Lord, thou knowest:
        1. REMEMBER me,
        2.AND visit me,
        3.AND revenge me of my persecutors;
        4. TAKE me not away in thy longsuffering:
                a.KNOW THAT for thy sake I have suffered rebuke.
Jer. 15:16 Thy wordS were found,
        AND I did EAT them;
        AND thy WORD was unto me
                THE joy and rejoicing of mine heart:
        for I am called by thy name, O Lord God of hosts.
Jer. 15:17
        1. I SAT NOT in the assembly of the MOCKERS,
         2. NOR REJOICED
                a. I sat ALONE because of thy hand:
                b. for thou hast filled me with indignation.

Opinionators almost NEVER ask God about the MOCKERS we should DISFELLOWSHIP

Psa. 119:101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way,
        THAT might KEEP thy WORD.
Psa. 119:102 I have not departed from thy judgments:
        FOR thou hast taught me.
Psa. 119:103 How SWEET are thy wordS unto my taste!
        YEA, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa. 119:104 Through thy precepts
        I get understanding:
        THEREFORE I hate every false way.

Heb. 6:4 For it is impossible
        for those who were once
        AND have tasted of the heavenly gift,
        AND were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb. 6:5 AND have TASTED the good WORD of God,
        AND the powers of the world to come,

       g1089. geuomai, ghyoo´-om-ahee; a primary verb; to taste; by implication, to eat;
        figuratively, to experience (good or ill): — eat, taste.


Heb. 6:6 If they shall fall away,
        TO RENEW them again unto repentance;
                SEEING they crucify
                      to themselves the Son of God afresh,
                AND put him to an open shame.
Heb. 6:7 For the earth
        WHICH drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it,
        AND bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed,
             RECEIVETH blessing from God:
Heb. 6:8 BUT that which beareth thorns and briers
        IS rejected,
        AND is nigh unto cursing;
            WHOSE end is to be burned.

If you notice, much of the Bible is written in forms of parallelism:

2Th. 3:8 Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought;
       BUT wrought with labour and travail night and day,
       THAT we might not be chargeable to any of you:
2Th. 3:10 For even when we were with you,
        THIS we commanded you,
            that if any would not work,
            neither should he eat.
2Th. 3:11 FOR we hear that there are some
        WHICH walk among you disorderly,
        working not at all,
        BUT are busybodies. [do workshops and Dunkin Donut]

NOTICE THAT YOU CAN THINK DIAGRAMMING even if education has deprived you of reading 101a.

Theology Forum / Baptism godsquadgeek Deut 30-Rom10
« on: Wed Jul 04, 2018 - 12:09:56 »


FALSE CLAIM: Peter and Others were false teachers because there was no REASON for their demands and YOU don't have to obey because you are not a Jews.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
        because they knew him not,
        nor yet the VOICES OF THE PROPHETS
        which are READ every sabbath day,
        they have fulfilled them in condemning him

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
        them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath [REST] day.

The PROPHETIC or more spiritual thread repudiated the PRIESTLY including the LEVITE CLASS.

Eph. 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
        but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the HOUSEHOLD of God;
Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [EDUCATED BY] the foundation of the APOSTLES and PROPHETS,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph. 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Eph. 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph. 3:3 How that by REVELATION he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph. 3:4 Whereby, when ye READ, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ

The Spirit or Breath of God which inspired the PROPHETS (and not priests) define the future REST or School of Messiah both Inclusively and exclusively.
The Church is to be EDUCATED only by the Prophets and Apostles who were eye--and Ear--witnesses of Jesus and the Power of God.
Peter outlawed Private Interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING which would despise God's Spirit.

356-103 BCE and 150-100 BCE


Is. 1:2  Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
        I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
Is. 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master’s crib:
         but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a SEED of evildoers,
        children that are corrupters:
        they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked
        [blasphemaverunt] the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 1:8  And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Isaiah 1: 9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant,
        we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye RULERS of Sodom;
        give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

    Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
    which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified

The Spirit OF Christ contradicts. God said nothing about their mental attutude:

Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD:
        I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
        and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Is. 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
        who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations;
        incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths,
        the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;
        it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Is. 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
        they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Is. 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands,
        I will hide mine eyes from you: yea,
        when ye make many prayers,
        I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

This very small remnant was preached to as the gospel was commanded to go to the Gentiles.


Theology Forum / How Long is Forever and Forever in Hell
« on: Sun May 13, 2018 - 15:10:39 »
The dead are in the grave; they don't have some "immortal spirit being" trapped in their bodies that cannot die, and thus must exist somewhere.

Eccl. 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is HIGH,

        H1364. gaboahh, gaw-bo´-ah; or (fully) gabowahh, gaw-bo´-ah;
        from 1361; elevated (or elated), powerful, arrogant:—haughty, height,
        high(-er), lofty, proud, x exceeding proudly.

and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden,

         H2284. chagab, khaw-gawb´; of uncertain derivation; a locust:—locust.

Eccl. 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
        and the SPIRITS shall return unto God who gave it.
        and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home,
        and the mourners go about the streets:

Locusts in the theology John refutes and prophesies about are the Muses or the Musical Worship Team of Apollon.  They are Musical Worshipers LED by Apollon and known as dirty adulteresses.  Their task is to separate those OF THE WORLD from those FROM ABOVE who are the spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save.  These spirits are PARKED in a Safe House free for the HIGH AND ARROGANT clergy.  Of those who have been SAVED and added to the church:

Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
       and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
       trans-ĕo 2. To go or pass over into any thing by transformation,
       to be changed or transformed into a thing
       Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this world:
             but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
             that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable,
             and perfect, WILL OF GOD [The Word, Logos Regulative Principle]

[/b]Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion,
        and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
        and to an innumerable company of angels,

Of Those who are added to the Ekklesia of Christ:

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, [Christ]
        which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
        and to the SPIRITS
        of just men made PERFECT,

Apollo, Apollyon [The Destroyers] or Abaddon

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Rev 18:21
And the voice of harpers, and musicians [Muses], and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERERS were all nations deceived. Rev 18:23
    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints,
    and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev 18:24

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
       These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

Rev. 20:14 And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Theology Forum / SOTERION is Zeus, Apollon Hermes
« on: Wed Apr 25, 2018 - 14:49:56 »
The man, Jesus of Nazareth is the Christian SON of God and NOT a God.
The ANTI-Logos or ANTI Christ's Words is often ZEUS who was the Son of Chronos.  One son of Zeus was Hermes, Mercury or Kairos.  The Hebrew is Jehoshua

Jesus as the SOTER as the ANTITHESIS of  ZEUS

    g4990.  soter, so-tare´; from 4982; a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ: — saviour.
    g4982.  sozo, sode´-zo; from a primary sw◊ß sos (contraction for obsolete sa¿oß saos, “safe”); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): — heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

JESUS IS THE ANTIITHESIS of ZEUS as the Son of Chronos:

g4992.  Soterion, so-tay´-ree-on; neuter of the same as 4991 as (properly, concretely) noun; defender or (by implication) defence: — salvation.
2.  epith. of Zeus, Pi.O. 5.17, Fr.30.5, IG22.410.18 (iv B.C.), etc.; to whom persons after a safe voyage offered sacrifice,
b.  epith. of other gods, as of Apollon, Id.Ag.512, etc.; of Hermes, Id.Ch.2;

Apollon is the king over the locusts or MUSES and He is the Leader of the Musical Worship Team.  The music or locust image is of God SEPARATING the Grain from the CHAFF so that speakers, singers or instrument players are called SORCERERS and WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Pind. O. 5 Coming from the lovely homes of Oenomaus and of Pelops, [10]
        he sings of your sacred grove, Pallas protector of the city, and of the river Oanis, and the local lake, and the sacred canals with which Hipparis waters its people, and swiftly builds a tall-standing grove of steadfast dwellings, bringing this host of citizens out of helplessness into the light.
[15] Always, when it is a question of excellence, toil and expense strive to accomplish a deed that is shrouded in danger; those who are successful seem wise, even to their fellow-citizens.
       Savior Zeus, high in the clouds, you who dwell on
       the hill of Cronus and honor the wide-flowing Alpheus and the sacred cave of Ida!
       I come as your suppliant, singing to the sound of Lydian flutes,
       [20] entreating you to adorn this city with glorious hosts of noble men
; and that you, Psaumis the Olympic victor, delighting in the horses of Poseidon, may carry on to the end a pleasurable old age with your sons standing beside you. If a man cultivates both prosperity and health, being generous with his possessions and winning praise as well, let him not seek to become a god.

Aesch. Ag. 488 Now blessings on the land,
        blessings on the light of the sun,
        and blessed be Zeus, the land's Most High, and the Pythian lord;
[510] and may he launch no more his shafts against us. Enough of your hostility did you display by Scamander's banks; but now, in other mood, be our preserver and our healer, O lord ApolloN.
        And the gods gathered here, I greet them all; him, too,
        my own patron, [515] Hermes, beloved herald, of heralds all revered;
        and the heroes who sped us forth, I pray that they may receive back in kindliness
        the remnant of the host which has escaped the spear.

THE KAIROS CHURCH PLANTERS repudiate the Historic Scriptures and the Church.  They claim that Jesus came AT THE RIGHT TIME but they do not grasp that JESUS Came with a SWORD in His world AGE or the Messianic age RESERVED UNTO FIRE. 

KAIROS. Kairos as a distinct personification first emerges in the middle of s. v B.C., when Ion of Chios composed a hymn in his honour. Pausanias^ mentions it a Kairos of an altar to him in the north-eastern part of the Alfis : ' Hard by the entrance into the Stddion are two altars. One they call the altar of Hermes Enagdnios, the other that of Kairos. I am aware that Ion of Chios actually made a hymn to Kairos and in his hymn gives the genealogy of Kairos as the youngest of the sons of Zeus.' It has been conjectured with some probability that this hymn was written for the original dedication of the Kairos-altar at Olympiad.

Theology Forum / Passages on uses of PROPHET
« on: Tue Apr 03, 2018 - 15:21:08 »
Many words used in Greek, English and most developed languages are flexible. A word. is DEFINED by how it is used in context. As far as I can research none of the words translated as Ghost or Spirit identify a PERSON.

WIND or STORMS are one of the strongest means of POWER to change.  Spirit is WIND: watch out for the figurative language.

Psa. 35:5 Let them be as chaff before the WIND [spirit]: and let the angel of the Lord chase them.
2Sam. 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the WIND. [spirit]
Hos. 4:19 The WIND hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

Humans might be body (flesh) soul (capable of moving) and SPIRIT.

God's Spirit is to GOD as our spirit is to us:

1Cor. 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man,
          save the spirit OF man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man,
          but the Spirit SPIRIT God.

Spirit is LIFE and that which KNOWS and can control

Gen. 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
        and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH of LIFE;
        and man became A LIVING [springing] SOUL

BREATHED: h5301. naphach, naw-fakh´; a primitive root; TO PUFF, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem):—blow, breath, give up, cause to lose (life), seething, snuff.

BREATH: 5397.   nshamah, nesh-aw-maw´; from 5395; A PUFF i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:—blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

SOUL: 5315.  nephesh, neh´-fesh; from 5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath,


2Sam. 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered,
        at the rebuking of the Lord, at the BLAST of the BREATH  of his nostrils.

BLAST is the same as BREATHED in Gen 2:7 : 5397.   nshamah, nesh-aw-maw´; from 5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:—blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

BREATH in Gen 2:7 is Hebrew SPIRIT h7307 roo´-akh; from 7306;
            by resemblance BREATH, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation;
            figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality;
            by extension, a region of the sky;
            by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):—
            air, anger, blast, breath, x cool, courage, mind, x quarter, x side, spirit((-ual)),
            tempest, x vain, ((whirl-))wind(-y).

BREATH or Spirit in GREEK: g4151. pneuvma pneuma, pnyoo´-mah; from 4154;
            A CURRENT OF AIR
            i.e. BREATH (blast) or a breeze;
            by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul,
            (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
            or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine)               
                    God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit: — ghost, LIFE, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590.

The body of flesh is made of physical elements.  However, God puts SPIRIT or LIFE or INTELLECT into him.

Eccl. 12:5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail:
          because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
        and the SPIRIT shall return unto God who gave

There are many passages which show that SPIRIT is MIND which gives LIFE to DUST.
Spirit never defines a PERSON but the Mind or Mental disposition of that Person.
It is not wise to try to make every mention of "spirit" mean HOLY SPIRIT which is the NATURE of God.
It is always a MARK FOR AVOIDANCE when people claim that THE HOLY SPIRIT leads them beyond Scripture and tels them to tell YOU that you must GIVE UP your property to THEM. This is the meaning of HERESY.

Theology Forum / Did God Command Temple Worship for the Unevolved?
« on: Wed Mar 14, 2018 - 15:35:06 »
Most if not all religious wars--literally and polemical--have been based on the Temple and Animal Sacrifices as God's commanded system of worship because mankind had not evolved enough to worship IN the Spirit (place). Because the quoted text is confusing I will move some CLEAR text here.

All institutional religions are based on The Book of The Law as modified by direct inclusions and exclusions.

God's Holy Fire ACU

"A major task facing our churches is the reintegration of the Old Testament into the regular teaching, thinking and PRACTICE of the church" (p. 49).

1. "Eliminating the Old Testament from our canon severely curtails our understanding of the character and activities of God..." (p. 49).
2. "Recovering the Old Testament conversely could transform us more fully into what we have always sought to be--Churches of Christ" (ibid.).
3. "Recognizing that the Old Testament functions just as fully as the New in the canon of the church...." (p. 63).
4.  "Too often, we in churches of Christ have made a mistake in removing the Old Testament, for practical purposes, from our canon. The hole in Scripture has produced a hole in the PRACTICE of our faith" (p. 66


However, there is no exception to the truth that Scripture and the Historic Scholars. Both the Tabernacle and Temple was to quarantine animal HOLOCAUSTS inside the gates at only ONE APPROVED place: at Jerusalem called Sodom

John Chrysostom Homilies Acts Chapter 7 Stephen Against the Law and Temple


And yet the Gentiles also had been driven out: for that is why he mentions this: "Whom God drave out," he says, "before the face of our fathers.

    Whom He drave out," he says:
         and even then, no Temple!
    And so many wonders,
         and no mention of a Temple!
    So that, although first there is a Tabernacle,
         yet nowhere a Temple. "Until the days of David,"
    he says: even David,
         and no Temple!

"And he sought to find favor before God" (v. 46):
       and built not:- so far was the Temple from being a great matter!
      "But Solomon built Him an house." (v. 47.)

They thought Solomon was great: but that he was not better than his father, nay not even equal to him, is manifest.

    "Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
    as saith the prophet, Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool.
" (v. 48, 49.)

Churches of Christ Forum / Campbell, Stone, the Kingdom, and Baptism
« on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 22:26:37 »
The Church of Christ CORE was and should always be those things under attack. They have had close to zero success in restructuring churches as happened a 100 years ago.  Those who professed to being baptists turned the church over to Baptists. Those who claimed to be Christian Church birth turned the church over defacto to the Christian church (my personal investment).  I don't think they changed any minds.

A.  The Kingdom of God is that Church for which He Shed His blood: all of the churches in locations are centered around Christ who now has all authority.  Historical churches were all Churches of Christ even when they were distinguished as baptizers.  The church was called The Church of Christ centuries before Rome took political control and lost their spiritual roots.

B. You cannot be saved if you refuse to obey that great  promise of baptism: only after you have obeyed that "pattern capable of being imitated are you THEN free from sin." The Bible and historic scholars affirm: modern scholars deny.

C. The Synagogue (and ekklesia) was a WEEKLY time of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word. Jesus ordained the Lord's Supper as a visual image: the church came together weekly and they ate the Lord's Supper weekly and Justin says that the deacons took the supper to the "shut ins."

D. As A School of Christ the Church of Christ rejects instruments defined as machines for doing hard work when Jesus still returns as Spirit to be out only teacher when the Elders teach that which has been taught.  If you go beyond scanning you will discover that using instruments caused all of the falls because people then and now believed that the gods lived in and spoke through their instruments. That removed the Word of God from the "attention" which is the only NT worship concept.

They  cannot refute those things and are not called upon to "infiltrate and divert" with a long agenda to reshuffle the owners out and a new flock in.

Be advised that when they tell you that they are REMOVING legalistic burdens then in fact have ADDED burdens so that "church" goes 24/7 with a massive "staff" to replace the vocational deacons and built temples like Solomon's for which Stephen said they had no authority.  Deacons were also the ministers by which they gained a good "degree." The body is involved and does not have clergy.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
        as they that count it pleasure [Hedonism: sensual pleasure, LUST. Outlawed Rom 15]
        to riot in the day time.
        Spots they are and blemishes,
        sporting themselves  Rising up to PLAY
        with their own deceivings
        while they feast with you

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,
Truph-ē ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, “tōn gunaikōn hē t.” Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia,

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlous” X.Smp.9.2; “meta tinos” LXX Ge.26.8;

2Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

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