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Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Yesterday at 17:51:38 »
Like FAKE NEWS from the Muddy Stream Media who do NO investigation, it is of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS that those without the Spirit (Aborigines) can argue with the Creator of EVERYTHING by His WORD which OUTLAWS personal opinions or personal experiences.

Especially with a NEW DOGMA which as Writers on REVIVALS affirm that it Has no connection to Historical Christianity.

The meaning of IS IS what does Scripture say.  No one can doubt God's Ability but HE has issued DIRECT COMMANDS and Jesus said that "MY WORDS WILL JUDGE."

Basil the Great (329-379) On Baptism and Grace

For perfection of life the imitation of Christ is necessary, not only in the example of gentleness, lowliness, and long suffering set us in His life, but also of His actual death.
        So Paul, the imitator of Christ,
        says, "being made CONFORMABLE unto his death;
       if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."

How then are we made in the likeness of His death?
       In that we were buried with Him by baptism. 
       What then is the manner of the burial?
       And what is the advantage resulting from the imitation?

First of all, it is necessary that the continuity of the old life be cut.
       And this is impossible less a man be born again,
       according to the Lord's word;
       for the REGENERATION, as indeed the name shews,
       is a beginning of a second life.  [Born of Water and Spirit]

So before beginning the second, it is necessary to put an end to the first.
       For just as in the case of runners who turn and take the second course,
       a kind of halt and pause intervenes between the movements in the opposite direction,
so also in making a change in lives it seemed necessary
       for death to come as mediator between the two,
       ending all that goes before,
       and beginning all that comes after.

Why believeth not or the APISTOS are too fearful to believein baptism

How then do we achieve the descent into hell?
      By imitating, through baptism, the burial of Christ. 
      For the bodies of the baptized are, as it were, buried in the water.
Baptism then symbolically signifies the putting off of the works of the flesh;
      as the apostle says, ye were "circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
      in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;
      buried with him in baptism."

And there is, as it were, a cleansing of the soul
      from the filth that has grown on it from the carnal mind,
as it is written, "
      Thou shalt wash [trample me under water] me, and I shall be whiter than snow."
On this account we do not,
      as is the fashion of the Jews,
      wash ourselves at each defilement,
      but own the baptism of SALVATION to be one.

For there the death on behalf of the world is one,
       and one the resurrection of the dead,
whereof baptism is a type.
      For this cause the Lord,
      who is the Dispenser of our life, gave us the COVENANT OF BAPTISM,
      containing a type of life and death,

for the water fulfils the image of death,
and the Spirit gives us the earnest of life.

Hence it follows that the answer to our question
       why the water was associated with the Spirit is clear:
       the reason is because in baptism two ends were proposed;
       on the one hand, the destroying of the body of sin, that it may never bear fruit unto death;
       on the other hand, our living unto the Spirit, and having our fruit in holiness;
       the water receiving the body as in a tomb figures death,
            while the Spirit pours in the quickening POWER,
            renewing our souls from the deadness of sin unto their original life.
This then is what it is to be born again of water and of the Spirit,
       the being made dead being effected in the water,
       while our LIFE is wrought in us through the Spirit

Heb. 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,
       having our hearts sprinkled FROM an evil conscience,
       and our bodies washed with pure [persons, purify] water.

G3068.  louo, loo´-o; a primary verb; to bathe (the whole person; whereas 3538 means to wet a part only, and 4150 to wash, cleanse garments exclusively): — wash.

Basil shows that at some time people were IMMERSED three times.

Theology Forum / Re: Christianity and technology:
« on: Yesterday at 14:03:12 »
Scripture seems to show that pushing society to the extremes is the way to separate the grain from the chaff or the goats from the sheep.  It is a great tribulation but it exposes people for what they are

Matt. 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Matt. 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men,
        him will I
        confess also before MY FATHER which is in heaven.

Matt. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men,
        him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
        I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matt. 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
        and the daughter against her mother,
        and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matt. 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Matt. 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me:
        and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross,
        and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matt. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it:
         and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matt. 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me,
        and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Matt. 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet
        shall receive a prophet’s reward;
        and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man
        shall receive a righteous man’s reward.
Matt. 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones
        a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple,
        verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.eace from the earth,
        and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

2Pet. 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of,
        that by the WORD of God the heavens were of old,
        and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pet. 3:6 Whereby the WORLD that then was,
        being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pet. 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
        by the same word are kept in store,
        against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Theology Forum / Re: Christianity and technology:
« on: Yesterday at 12:58:23 »
Yesterday: My youngest daughter's headquarters are in St. Paul.  She lives in Charlotte, nc. Yesterday she set up on the dining room table in Hohenwald, TN and put in a hard day's work typing-talking-seeing. She's at it again today.

My middle daughter's clients are in Murfreesboro, tn and she sat next to youngest sister and worked with her clients.

Eldest daughter went to heaven so we talked, cried, ate and had a wonderful time. Mom fed us and worked on fleas from a grand daughters "temporarily boarded" cat.

I had about 7,000 visits REFUTING the Viper Race and watching the Viper Race on TV.

From my earliest years, I asked them if that was better than a penny postcard or a cranked telephone or pony express. Technology is a wonderful thing.


Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Yesterday at 11:40:37 »
Justin Martyr With Trypho, a Jew

born c. 100, , Flavia Neapolis, Palestine [now Nabulus]
died c. 165, , Rome [Italy]; feast day June 1

Chapter XIV.-Righteousness is Not Placed in Jewish Rites, But in the Conversion of the Heart Given in Baptism by Christ.

"By reason, therefore, of this laver of repentance and knowledge of God, which has been ordained on account of the transgression of God's people, as Isaiah cries,

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Isa 53:10

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Isaiah 53:11

we have believed, and testify that that very baptism which he announced
       is alone able to purify those who have repented; and this is the water of life.
But the cisterns which you have dug for yourselves are broken and profitless to you.
      For what is the use of that baptism which cleanses the flesh and body alone?

Baptize the soul from wrath and from covetousness, from envy, and from hatred; and, lo! the body is pure.

Gives one A holy soul MARKED by one's conduct and speaking THE WORD only.

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Yesterday at 10:22:38 »
THE JEWS UNDER THE MONARCHY WAS SPIRITUAL BABYLON BECAUSE GOD ABANDONED THEM.  Spiritual Israelites by direct prophecy and statement was QUARANTINED from Jerusalem and RESTED in their isolated settlements to REST which includes "school" to Rest, Read and Rehearse the WORD of God. THAT is the pattern for spiritual Israel not related to DNA but under the King and Priest of JUDAH.

Is. 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz,
        which he saw concerning Judah
        and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz,
        and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
Is. 1:2  Hear, O heavens, and give ear,
        O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
        I have nourished and brought up children,
        and they have REBELLED AGAINST ME

Is. 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master’s crib:
         but Israel DOTH NOT KNOW
         my people DOTH NOT CONSIDER
Is. 1:4 Ah SINFUL nation,
        a people LADEN with INIQUITY,
        a SEED of EVILDOERS,
        children that are CORRUPTERS:
        they have forsaken the Lord,
        they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger,
        they are gone away backward.
    Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory:
        for these are the two covenants;
        the one from the mount SINAI, which gendereth to BONDAGE, which is Agar.

     Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia,
        and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
          Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
          which spiritually is called SODOM and Egypt, where also OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED .

Is. 1:5 Why should ye be stricken any more?
        ye will revolt more and more:
        the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Is. 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head
        there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises,
        and PUTRIFYING SORES: they have not been closed,
        neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Is. 1:7 Your country is DESOLATE,
        your cities are BURNED with fire:
        your land, strangers devour it in your presence,
        and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
Is. 1:8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard,
         as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Is. 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us A VERY SMALL REMNANT
            we should have been as Sodom,
            and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye RULERS of SODOM; [Jerusalem]
        give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of GOMORRAH

Is. 1:11 To WHAT PURPOSE is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord:
        I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts;
        and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Is. 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
        WHO HATH REQUIRED THIS AT YOUR HAND to tread my courts?
Is. 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations;
        incense is an abomination unto me;
        the new moons and sabbaths,
        the calling of assemblies,
        I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.



Burning INFANTS 2 Chronicles 28
Burning Goats      2 Chronicles 29
Burning INFANTS 2 Chronicles 33


Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Thu Sep 20, 2018 - 21:26:55 »

God didn't COMMAND The Kings, Kingdom, Temple, Animal Slaughter, Priests or Levite.  They were IMPOSED when God turned them over to worship the starry host.  If God abandoned them then there is nothing of spiritual value there.  The people were under a Goyim, National or Gentile Civil State which had nothing to do with the Spiritual conscience or spirit.  They made animal sacrifices because they were IMPOSED to satisfy the FLESH and BLOOD LUST.

The Jews didn't honor THE Lord (yhwh) the only true God (Elohim) and neither do the masses of religionists.  They self-exhibit for hire and force everyone to GIVE HEED to the ACTORS which is the meaning of "worship."  They boast about offering or PERFORMING worship services for a audience.

I don't know anyone one who operates a "worshipinng center" who does not INSIST with vocal threats that GOD COMMANDED the animal slaughter as THE WORSHIP under THE LAW.  Too bad, but the Temple is POST LAW.

Psa. 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel,
        and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
Psa. 50:8 I will not reprove [JUSTIFY] thee
        for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, [HOLOCAUSTS]
        to have been continually before me.
Psa. 50:9 I will take no bullock out of thy house,
        nor he goats out of thy folds.
Psa. 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine,
        and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa. 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains:
        and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
Psa. 50:12 If I were hungry, I WOULD NOT TELL THEE:
        for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psa. 50:13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls,
        or drink the blood of goats?


Psa. 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving;
        and pay thy vows unto the most High:
Psa. 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble:
        I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

Is. 66:1 Thus saith the Lord,
       The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:
       where is the house that ye build unto me?
       and where is the place of my rest?
Is. 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made,
       and all those things have been, saith the Lord:
       but to this man will I look,
       even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit,
       and trembleth at my word.
Is. 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
       he that sacrificeth a lamb,
       as if he cut off a dog’s neck;
       he that offereth an oblation,
       as if he offered swine’s blood;
       he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol.
       Yea, they have chosen their own ways,
        and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Is. 66:4 I also will choose their delusions,
        and will bring their fears upon them;
        because when I called, none did answer;
        when I spake, they did not hear:
        but they did evil before mine eyes,
        and chose that in which I delighted not.

The RULERS then and now are ignorant and would slay Jesus because they refused to LISTEN to the PROPHETS who were PREACHED by being READ once each week.  Anyone who grasps at the abandoned Levites as authority to sow musical discord are MARKED that Jesus has been there and gone and the lamps or seven spirits of God as the lampstead has been removed.

The unity in diversity in Ephesians 4 SILENCES the diversity because the cunning craftsmen or SOPHISTS (speakers, singers, instrument players) are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Thu Sep 20, 2018 - 17:54:02 »
That's good to know: I had a bit of time to waste.  ::frustrated::  I am glad that you knew all about the prophetic command of Jacob in Isaiah 49.

All the professional grade people I know are CERTAIN that God commanded the temple and animal burning as the PATTERN under the OLDEN LAW.  All of those who have infiltrated and diverted happy congregations say that Jesus changed that animal slaughter thingy but he DIDN'T outlaw Instrumental music so we gonna sow some discord.  2 Chronicles 29 is the only DEFINITIVE place they all say that god COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL WORSHIP.

Do you believe that God commanded Priests, Levites, the Temple, animal slaughter AS WORSHIP?

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Thu Sep 20, 2018 - 17:10:11 »
Anyone who can trace back to LEVI are Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned.  Amos 9 says that Jacob will be SCATTERED and "not a SEED will drop." That is why the dna of whole countries can be tied to a few mothers. EXCEPT, reports Amos, God will not UTTERLY destroy all of Jacob.  That is the preserved Remnant (Isaiah 49) in Jerusalem.

Furthermore, the spiritual covenant will be made with the HOUSE or the LAOS which included Priests and Levites.  Notice that SHILOH or REST which priests and levites destroyed will be of the tribe of JUDAH.

After the Mount Sinai slaughter by the Levites they were given the future Job to make noise and execute any civilian who came NEAR any holy place or thing.  They were not "worship leaders" but STOOD IN RANKS with all kinds of instruments.  That was to prevent any of the not abandoned people from even being inside the gates of the future temple.  God did not command sacrifices or burnt offerings or the HOLOCAUST of animals or infants.  Rather the Law added because of transgression intended to quarantine the Egyptian-Canaanite-Babylonish system behind city gates.  In 2 Chronicles 28 Ahaz brought on a plague when he moved the animal slaughter OUTSIDE of Jerusalem.

2Chr. 28:1 Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem: but he did not that which was right in the sight of the Lord, like David his father:

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Thu Sep 20, 2018 - 10:38:09 »

καί , Conj., copulative, joining words and sentences,
A.and; also Adv., even, also, just, freq. expressing emphatic assertion or assent, corresponding as positive to the negative οὐ (μή) or οὐδέ (μηδέ).
A. copulative, and,
I. joining words or sentences to those preceding

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Thu Sep 20, 2018 - 10:32:50 »
We have noted that:
The Prophets repudiated the Civil-Military-Clergy whom God had "turned over to worship the starry hosts."

Therefore, it is false to use the CARNAL Laws and Scribes of the MONARCHS and Sacrificial System in the New Kingdom.

Jacob in Genesis 49 cursed Levi and warned the people not to enter into covenant nor attend the synagogues of Levi.  The godly were to WAIT for SHILOH which is identified as the promised Christ.

God put HIS Words into the MOUTHS of the PROPHETS which proves that the Spirit of Christ or about Christ did not need another person to make His Word INTELLIGIBLE. 

Modern PROGRESSIVES hear another spirit person telling them that the olden Scriptures no longer have the correct meaning for OUR CULTURE.  However, for enough tithes and offerings THEY can interpret God and Christ for you.

Jesus identified Holy Scripture for His Spiritual kingdom and temple as THE PROPHETS and other prophecies "CONCERNING ME."  He made these prophecies more certain and to is to refute God's Spirit fo "private interpret" of "Further expound."

The Church of Christ is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles: this includes the prophecies about Christ and His Spiritual Creation and it is the mark of a FALSE TEACHER to "private interpret" or "Further Expound" what Jesus by inspiration HAS expounded.

Therefore, as the woman at the well knew even without a Phd that "When Messias Comes He will tell us ALL THINGS.'  His mission as PROPHET was to FULFILL those prophecies by God the Father putting HIS words into the Mouth of Jesus.

Treating Jesus as a SACRIFICIAL ANIMAL was simply the RESULT of His role as PROPHET.  He is not KING and HIGH PRIEST in His new role as HOLY SPIRIT which He defined as "without flesh and bones."

Ezekiel 33 and Jesus in John promised that anyone who spoke THE WORD without change would suffer some of the same HATRED poured out on Him.  The Jewish System was MONEY TREE and the people were slaves and THAT is what brings on the world-wide terrorism against Christ, His Word and His MORALITY.

Part C.

A tiny few of Lost Spirits Jesus our brother was sent to rescue will be able to understan

He that believeth AND is Baptized shall be saved.

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 21:59:45 »
I feel I'm slowly fading away
But, alas, I'm here to stay
If nothing more to gore
Those deeply wounded sores.

So, cheer up old timer
And get a thicker skin
Them maybe someday
you'll stop those silly sins

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 20:49:17 »

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 20:46:08 »
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them,
        Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building,
       and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead,
        his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them;
        and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said

If God turned the Hebrews over to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST and we know the NAMES of the god's the Jews "worshipped" He did not COMMAND the Civil-Military-Clergy or anything connected with Jerusalem as the shrine of the Temple State.  The civilians were quarantined to their isolated settlement to REST.  Sabbath was never a day of worship and the temple was not a church house where they held worship services.  When the elders "fired" God and wanted a NATIONAL king God abandoned them totally.


1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said unto Samuel,
       Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:
       for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me,
       that I should not reign over them. 
1 Samuel 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day
       because of your king which ye shall have chosen you;
       and the Lord will not hear you in that day.
1 Samuel 8:19Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel;
    and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us; 

    First: That we also may be like all the nations;
            and that our king may judge us,
    Second: and go out before us,
            and fight our battles. 1 Samuel 8:20 .

Ezekiel 20 said that it would never happen but for a short time until they were DEPORTED. 

Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 19:07:28 »
No, I think they have been planning for a long time. I feel for the Jews (more religious than dna) but no one should expect that they are get on their boats and sail away.

The Land promises was originally a small place out of the traffic paths as a place to live but not dominate.  The borders get larger and larger in scripture but Jerusalem was not in the post-exodus lands.  Scripture seems pretty clear that the promise was CONDITIONAL and the Hebrews never held the land other than by slaughter of others.  If God gave me a parcel of Ground I believe that He would protect me.  Originally didn't God plan to drive the people out with bees or hornets?

I don't doubt that all of the misery in the last several decades is based on the Jew's OCCUPATION in the eyes of those whose properties were confiscated.

I have mixed emotions but I doubt the "evangelical's" lust to see another temple built for God to have destroyed.  I don't expect to see Jesus riding a white horse down the streets of Jerusalem.



Theology Forum / Re: The Third Temple and Televangelists
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 18:52:45 »
God had three perfectly good temples destroyed.  I have read several accounts about a group who are planning and collecting materials needed to tempt God again. One sticking point was all of those thousands of harps and no one can find a single one to ENABLE the effort. I think they have found a LAW to get around it.  They have also decided to rebuild without destroying the Muslim site.


Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron,
        Make us gods to go before us:
        for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt,
        we wot not what is become of him.
Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3
II. Pass., make merry, enjoy oneself,  Xen. Sym. 7.5 hekelos
        hekelos of persons feasting and enjoying themselves, ye will plunder them at your ease, i.e. without let or hindrance, terpō   delight, gladden, cheer, “ho ken terpēsin aeidōn” singing with phorm-igx  A.lyre, freq. in Hom., esp. as the instrument of Apollo, Apollōn” 2. ph. akhordos, metaph. for a bow,

APOLLON was a Sun God.

Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
        and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
        as it is written in the book of the prophets,
        O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
        by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
        and the star of your god Remphan,
        figures which ye made to worship them:
        and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness,
        as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses,
        that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
Acts 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after
        brought in with Jesus [Joshua] into the possession of the Gentiles,
        whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

Rather than letting David be Killed:

David's TENT was on Mt Zion but the Temple was on Moriah already set up for Sabazianism or the worship other of the stars, sin, moon, planet.

Acts 7:46 Who found favour before God,
        and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
Acts 7:47 BUT Solomon built him an house.
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High
        dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
        as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool:
        what HOUSE will ye build me?
        saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 18:33:08 »
Jaime, the remission of sins occur when faith, a change of life, and immersion in water authenticate the new birth.

EMERSION is the point of a NEW BIRTH.  Baptism IS our CERTIFICATION or AUTHENTICATION of the work of Jesus who was not new born until he came OUT of the tomb.  The New Birth HAPPENS when we OBEY that PATTERN.  ONLY then are we FREE FROM SIN so maybe people experience some kind of rebirth but REMAIN in their sins.

Buff, is trying to get you drown-ed.  We are not born until EMERSION from the water.

emersion is a process of exiting and immersion is a process of entering. the process or state of emerging from or being out of water after being submerged.

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 18:20:30 »
In 2 Corinthians 3 Paul said that people cannot READ the text nor HEAR when it is PREACHED by being READ once each week until you TURN, are CONVERTED or are Baptized Into Christ.  I understand why my posted TEXT is a BLINDING LIGHT to those who even "quibble" about the fact that one is not BORN again until they are born OUT of the water. It is pretty hard to begin that new life in the womb or in the water. Here is some more of Scripture which is exposing Dracula to sun light.

Rom. 6:4 Therefore we are buried
        with him by baptism INTO DEATH:
that LIKE as Christ was raised up FROM THE DEAD BY the glory of the Father,
         even so we also should walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE

        G2538 kainotes, kahee-not´-ace; from 2537; renewal (figuratively): —
              newness. with respect to age: — new.

Wow! as they always say: believers are BORN before they EMERGE.

It is CLEAR but HIDDEN from unbelievers that we are BORN AGAIN when we are BORN of WATER and have a New-Born, REgenerated Spirit.

Rom. 6:5 For IF we have been planted together
         in the LIKENESS of his death,
         we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom. 6:6 Knowing this, that our OLD MAN is crucified with him,
         that the body of sin might be destroyed,
         that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom. 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom. 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ,
        we believe that we shall also LIFE with him:
Rom. 6:9 Knowing that Christ
        being raised from the dead dieth no more;
         death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom. 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once:
        but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Rom. 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,
        but under grace? God forbid.
Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye YIELD
        yourselves servants to obey,
        his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
        whether of sin unto death,
        or of OBEDIENCE unto righteousness?
Rom. 6:17 But God be thanked,
        that ye were the servants of sin,
        but ye have OBEYED from the heart that FORM of doctrine which was delivered you.

What Jesus did was a Form, Type or TUPOS meaning "A PATTERN intended to be IMITATED."

        ye BECAME the servants of righteousness.

Buff and probably the Majority if Jesus was correct REJECT AUTHORITY.  One author said of everyone wanting to change everything so they can REPEAT the pattern of those they despise "Have an unresolve conflict with their mother."

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 15:23:28 »
Confirms~"establish the truth or correctness of".....exactly as the scriptures teaches. Baptism is the ANSWER OF a good conscience per Peter by the Holy Ghost.

BAPTISM SAVES. period. hard stop.
BAPTISM SAVES us because we REQUEST A good conscience or consciousness which is the gift of A holy spirit when the sins are remitted from OUT spirit.

1906.  eperotema, ep-er-o´-tay-mah; from 1905; an inquiry: — answer.
1905. eperotao, ep-er-o-tah´-o; from 1909 and 2065; to ask for, i.e. inquire, seek: — ask (after, questions), demand, desire, question.

enter, fall out, go, grow, x light, x next, pass, resort, be set.

2065. ejrwta¿w erotao, er-o-tah´-o; apparently from 2046 (compare 2045); to interrogate; by implication, to request: — ask, beseech, desire, intreat, pray. Compare 4441.

If we ALREADY HAVE A holy spirit or A good conscience how could BAPTISM SAVE YOU or WASH AWAY THY SINS.

OLD English is OLD.

Theology Forum / Re: Beware of false teachers:
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 15:17:25 »

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 13:54:29 »
Buff the Deformer: 
Without faith it is impossible to please God".

BUFF, I always have myself weighed so that they will know how much to dip out!! rofl

BUT: Bible Students hear Paul Quote

Heb. 11:6 But WITHOUT faith it is impossible to please him:
       FOR (what I mean) he that cometh to God
       must BELIEVE that he is,
       AND that he is a rewarder
              of them that diligently SEEK him.
Heb. 11:7 BY FAITH Noah,
       being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
       MOVED with fear,
       PREPARED an ark to the saving of his house;
            by the which he CONDEMNED the world,
            BECAME heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Moses didn't do that to CONFIRM HIS FAITH to be saved: He did that because He HONORED God and wanted to SAVE a tiny remnant: SAVED BY WATER when they went into the Ark or COFFIN.

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 13:33:17 »

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 13:28:23 »
Acts 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me,
         Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord?
          And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid;
         but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Acts 22:10 And I said,
        What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me,
        Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
Acts 22:11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me,
       Brother Saul, receive thy sight.
       And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
       that thou shouldest know his will,
       and see that Just One,
       and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?
       arise, and be baptized,
       and wash away thy sins,
       calling on the name of the Lord.

MOST people with OPINIONS are FOREORDAINED to dispute the WORDS of God, Jesus, Paul egtc.

Paul went on to say that only after people OBEYED by being baptized are THEN FREE FROM SIN.

Go Ahead: make God's Day.

Theology Forum / Re: A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 12:31:57 »
Why try to explain Scripture?


In. Jeremiah 23 saying that God said something HE DID NOT SAY is translated DESPISE but the LATIN in that you BLASPHEME.

Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
        BUT according to his mercy HE saved us,
        and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us

Faith comes by YOUR HEARING of the Word which is YOUR WORK.

He didn't save us by OUR faith and He didn't save us to CONFIRM our faith

We are not saved by some spirit person invading our carnal bodies
We are not saved but KEPT safe by faithfulness
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us 1 Peter 3:21
He that believeth (complies) and is baptized SHALL BE saved: Jesus

We are saved BY BAPTISM.

3067. loutro/n loutron, loo-tron´; from 3068; a bath, i.e. (figuratively), baptism: — washing.
 lavacrum [bath Separo to SEPARATE us from OUR sins. TO extruso pile up edification Liber book, roll religious book of scriptures]

We are saved by the washing OF REGENERATION.  [Regeneration caused BY Washing]

regenerationis et renovationis Spiritus Sancti
Regeneration being born again, regeneration  of baptism

Renovatio  a renewing, renewal doctrinae,

Eph. 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the WASHING [BAPTISM] of water INTO the word,
Eph. 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,
         not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
         but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Washing or BAPTISM is not WITH the Word but INTO the School of the WORD only.

PAUL knew that He would be captured or murdered if he went to Jerusalem. This was his opportunity to show the JEWS the prophecied and fulfilled GOD-DESIGNED way to be PURIFID.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?
         arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins,
         calling on the name of the Lord.

BAPTISM SAVES US because that is the way Jesus commanded to "call on His Name" FOR A good conscience or A holy spirit.

If you contradict the Spirit's prophecy and the example and command of Jesus and say that Baptism is NOT for the remission of sins but to confirm YOUR BELIEF to WHOM?

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Wed Sep 19, 2018 - 10:55:43 »
God saved the Hebrews from slavery by GRACE: His impulse was to leave them to self-destruct because they were worse than the other people.

They repudiating GRACE and God's leading them and polluted the Sabbath by engaging in feasting, singing, making noise on instruments which, history agrees, brings on sexual perversion.

This is the meaning of ANATHEMA because they despised the Word and Grace of God.  This was a sin beyond redemption and the older people died in the desert and the survivors turned the Promised Land into Killing Fields and, by request, God abandoned them to worship the CREATURES instead of the CREATOR.

The Civil-Military-Clergy was made deaf and dumb until ANOTHER PROPHET LIKE MOSES would arise FROM AMONG HIS BRETHREN.
The Prophets repudiated the Civil-Military-Clergy and defined the FUTURE "Umbrellicum" or School and SAFE HOUSE when Jesus as that ANOTHER PROPHET came.  Jesus the man would have ALL of the authority the Jews at Mount Sinai placed in Osiris, Isis and little evil son HORUS.

Jesus of Nazareth was born in the flesh 30 years before He was SANCTIFIED AND SENT (Baptized).  That was the time that theFather made him to be both LORD AND CHRIST.  Historic scholars agreeing with Scripture that God is COMPLETE and does not need another "god" person to make himself INTELLIGIBLE

ALL AUTHORITY means that God's OWN nature was made visible and audible as far as we humans are capable of understanding.

Jesus' first task was to FULFILL or Make More certain these prophecies "concerning me" before the Jewish Carnal and never spiritual rule ceased.  The PROPHETS made God's WORDS visible and audible for the future Church.  They would not be fully understood until what the Jews call Messiah (a word used of the OPPOSITE female led religion) and Christians call Christ which means that He was ANOINTED.  The Anointed cannot be the Anointer.

Zech. 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns,
            and set them upon the head of Joshua {Jesus} the son of Josedech, the high priest;

Yehowshuwa (h3091) yeh-ho-shoo'-ah; or yÿhowsua yeh-ho-shoo'-ah; from 3068 and 3467; JEHOVAH-SAVED; Jehoshua (i. e. Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Comp. 1954, 3442

Yasha (h3467) yaw-shah'; a prim. root; prop. to be open, wide or free, i. e. (by impl.) to be safe; causat. to free or succor: - * at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.

The Father is:
Jehowcadaq (h3087) yeh-ho-tsaw-dawk'; from 3068 and 6663; Jehovah- righted; Jehotsadak, an Isr.: - Jehozadek, Josedech. Comp. 3136.

Cadaq (h6663) tsaw-dak'; a prim. root; to be (causat. make) right (in a moral or forensic sense): - cleanse, clear self, (be, do) just (- ice, -ify, -ify self), (be, turn to) righteous (-ness).

Zech. 6:12 And speak unto him, saying,
        Thus speaketh the LORD OF HOSTS
        saying, Behold the MAN whose name is The BRANCH;
        and he shall GROW UP out of his place,
        and he shall build the temple of the Lord: [His spiritual body]
Zech. 6:13 Even HE shall build the temple of the LORD (YHWH in the Hebrew);
               Jesus will be Lord or KURIOS but He will not be THEOS or YHWH the only real Elohm
        and he shall BEAR THE GLORY
        and shall sit and rule [KING] upon his throne;
        and he shall be a PRIEST  upon his throne:
        and the counsel of peace shall be between them BOTH.

Why the Jewish leaders failed and again in Jerusalem and in a church near you.

    Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
            because they knew him not,
            nor yet the voices of the prophets
            which are READ every sabbath day
, [NEVER sermonized or versified]
            they have fulfilled them in condemning him
    Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
            them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

     The MARK of ANATHEMA anathēma , atos, to, (anatithēmi) A.that which is set up: hence, like agalma,
     votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, etc.; “a. ek LEITOURGION” Lys.26.4.
     “molpē t' orkhēstus 3. of a slave in a temple, a. poleōs devoted to this service by the city, E.Ion310.Ion
     The priestess of Apollon [WORSHIP TEAM], I consider her my mother
     dedicate, “makragorian lura” Pi.P.8.29; Pi.P.8.30, Long winded Lyre Lura 1 Lat.
         lyra, a lyre, a Greek musical instrument like the kithara,
         invented by Hermes, with seven strings, Hhymn., Eu
     2. impart, communicate something one's own,

Zech. 7:4 Then came the WORD of the Lord of hosts unto me, saying,
Zech. 7:5 Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests,
        saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month,
        even those seventy years,
        did ye at all fast unto me, even to me?
Zech. 7:6 And when ye did eat, and when ye did drink,
        did not ye eat for yourselves, and drink for yourselves?
Zech. 7:7 Should ye not hear the WORDS which
        the Lord hath cried by the FORMER PROPHETS,
        when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity,
        and the cities thereof round about her, when men inhabited the south and the plain?
Zech. 7:8 And the WORD of the Lord came unto Zechariah, saying,
Zech. 7:9 Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying,
        Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
Zech. 7:10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor;
         and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Tue Sep 18, 2018 - 20:08:10 »
When Jesus said that My Father and I are ONE He didn't mean that He was His own father. The word for one means that they were UNITED.  The enemy could not say that Jesus "made himself god" because Jesus did what He did by the power of God "working with Him."

When Jesus said I a IN the Father and the Father is iN ME He did not mean INSIDE OF.  I posted the Jonah problem which is the only example for people to say that people were baptized because they were already saved.  This is pure fabrication because there is no recorded history to give anyone such a view.

Jesus as the CHRIST has all of the authority people want to separate as a father god, a spirit (mother) god and a son God.  Jesus was the FLESH which made known all of what you can think of as god.

Father, Son and Spirits are ROLES and never the name of a PEOPLE.

Jesus is ALWAYS known as a MAN or He could not be the SEED of Abraham or David. He is also Prophet, Priest, King, Mediator, Intercessor, Teacher, Healer, Comforter.  For instance when the Israelites anathematized when they ROSE UP TO PLAY meaning to play musical instruments and play with one another on the day God had set aside to REST which would verify that He finished all of the WORK.

When the people did not want to HEAR from God they were made deaf and blind until ANOTHER PROPHET LIKE MOSES CAME.

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Tue Sep 18, 2018 - 15:59:19 »
No one should call any Scripture a LIE. No man can see God and live does not mean that Jesus WAS or IS GOD.  In our SPIRIT state we will SEE God Who IS SPIRIT and FILLS THE UNIVERSE AND DOES NOT FIT INTO THE MAN JESUS CHRIST.

1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
        that we should be called the sons of God:
        therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God,  [Jesus or BROTHER is also the Son of God]
        and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
       but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Theology Forum / Re: Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Tue Sep 18, 2018 - 15:53:04 »
I assumed that people had read the FIRST PART and I had moved the rest of my response out of DANGER ZONE.

FIRST, I am being WATCHED as a WARNING. Others may not see this WARNING.
From the thread: God's Holy Spirit and His Function

Second: accusation by RB was apparently clear:

Blinded Kenneth, has lived 88 years in the flesh, and still has not as of yet,
       learned of the complex nature of
       the Son of God,  [He was the SEED of David in the FLESH]
       being BOTH man and God in human flesh.
When the scripture is fulfilled which said that
       we shall see God~ it will be JESUS in his glorified human body,
       who IS the true God and the ONLY God we shall ever see.

In His glorified state Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT (there is no THE there) said "I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH."

No man, not even angels have nor will ever
      see God the Father who is a Spirit~this same Jesus, who is God,
      shall deliver up the kingdom to God his Father, that God may be all in all;
      even the Son Himself shall be subject unto the SPIRIT of God
      who always has and always will dwell in ETERNITY[

NO man should ever bid you God's speed, by the fact you deny these BIBLICAL TRUTHS concerning the Son of God. The scriptures have one word for you.......Anathema Maranatha. I only wish I could make these words come out on brown paper, but you still would not be able to read them, pretty sure of that/color]

His STATEMENT is Clear but Jesus distinguished between GOD (Theos) and Father and the SON whom God MADE TO BE BOTH LORD and Christ.  He called his enemies BLASPHEMERS because He and everyone ALWAYS said that He was the SON of God.

Because I Quoted Jesus:

John 4:21 JESUS saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh,
        when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship THE FATHER

I assume that means that Jesus IS NOT the father???

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what:
        we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
        when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER
        in SPIRIT and in truth:
        for the FATHER seeketh such to worship him.

But, JESUS said

John 4:24 God is a SPIRIT:
       and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth.

I assumed that Jesus is not either HIM or a SPIRIT

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me,
        and see; for a SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken,
        he shewed them his hands and his feet. .

Of those who said that Jesus made Himself God (because He worked miracles)
He said you BLASPHEME because I and others always said I AM THE SON OF GOD.

The word GOD is inclusive and exclusive based on many clear statements. Therefore, Jesus became the SON of God after His Baptism as especially as the FIRSTBEGOTTEN FROM THE DEAD.

I always think that quoting Scripture ia not too cryptic.

Theology Forum / Another Prophet Like Moses or ANATHEMA
« on: Tue Sep 18, 2018 - 12:31:46 »
Since the WATCHERS are after me and I have been ANATHEMATED I will try to post Scripture. Anathema is any thing or PERSON who is set up or sets himself up to ADORN or ENHANCE anything which God has ordained.  They or It cannot be REDEEMED and must be BURNED.  Vocal or Instrumental (noise) performed by those claiming authority with God is always associated with:

First, Silencing the Voice of the Victim: it is Sacred Violence.

The King of Tyre (who made Solomon a temple like his) is the PATTERN for Lucifer whom the Spirit calls "the singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the Garden of Eden.

The Word or Logos IS God's Regulative Principle: it outlaws personal opinions, personal experiences, rhetoric, singing, pllaying instruments, anything METRICAL because God breathed and Jesus SPOKE without METRON most often meaning MUSICAL METER.

-Anathêma , /, (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, “a. ek leitourgiōn” Lys.26.4.  agalma, delight, ornament, “molpē t' orkhēstusanathēmata daitos” Od.1.152, cf. 21.430, tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children,

    Leitourg-ia  III. public service of the gods, “hai pros tous theous l.” Arist.Pol.1330a13; “hai tōn theōn therapeiai kai l.” D.S.1.21, cf. UPZ17.17 (ii B.C.), PTeb.302.30 (i A.D.), etc.; the service or ministry of priests, LXX Nu.8.25, Ev.Luc.1.23.

Lys. 26 4  But I find no difficulty in countering those statements.
       As regards the public services, I say that his father would have done better
       not to perform them than to spend so much of his substance:
       for it was on account of this that
                he won the confidence of the people
                and overthrew the democracy;
      and so our memory of these deeds must be more abiding
             than of the offerings he has set up1 in record of those services.
            1 In the temples at Athens, Delphi, etc.

None of those OF THE WORLD (from beneath) want to give the Man Jesus any credit.  It was Jesus (the SEED) of Abraham and David who was MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ 30 years AFTER he came IN THE FLESH.

Jesus is always spoken of AS A MAN and of those who said

John 10:33 The JEWS answered him, saying,
        For a good work we stone thee not;
        but for blasphemy;
        and because that thou, being a MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the FATHER hath SANCTIFIED [at age 30 at His Baptism],
        and SENT into the world,
        Thou BLASPHEMEST
        because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:37 If I do not the works OF MY FATHER, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works:
        that ye may know, and believe,
        That the Father is in me, and I in him.

WHEN JESUS SAID, THEREFOR, MY FATHER AND I ARE ONE MEANING UNITED. God IS The WORD or Regulative Principle which OUTLAWS any thing humans can SELL. The WORD or God's Regulative or Governing principles BECAME FLESH when Jesus articulated THE FATHER'S Word through DOUBLE-EDGED SWORDS or His Lips.

God the Father INHABITS the universe or UNIVERSES.  Pity those who think that the singular ALMIGHTY would fit INSIDE OF or BECOME flesh and bones and thus CEASE to be SPIRIT based on the teachings of Jesus.  IN or Eis does not always men INSIDE OF.  I am Pretty certain that God is not INSIDE of those He has ANATHEMATED proven by ANY human hypocritic word or Art CLAIMING to be FROM GOD and therefore a Lying Wonder.  Any person or thing which is CLAIMED to enhance God and His Word are declared ANATHEMA: they CANNOT be Redeemed and MUST be BURNED.

OF THE SON, His NAME shall be Called Elohim. He will NOT BE, in Hebrew the LORD [YHWH] the only TRUE God or [ELOHIM]

Theology Forum / Re: Beware of false teachers:
« on: Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 15:16:08 »
1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently,
        who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
        the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify,
        when IT testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Jesus made the prophecies CONCERNING ME certain to end the Jewish CARNAL domination.
The Spirit OF Christ (not Jesus) was breathed into the Prophets who defined the future REIGN of Christ both inclusively and exclusively.

The Apostles who were eye-- AND ear--witnesses REPORTED these prophecies by preaching the GOSPEL with the Holy Spirit

1Pet. 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves,
        but unto us they did minister the things,
        which are now reported unto you by them
        that have PREACHED the gospel unto you
        with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven

Jesus in His post-Glorified state was HOLY SPIRIT meaning "without flesh and bones."  It was Jesus or the Spirit of Jesus Who appeared and further instructed Paul.  The NAME of the Holy Spirit Comforter is "Jesus Christ the Righteous.

      1John 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
            And if any man sin, we have an advocate [PARAKLETE] with the Father,
        1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
             but also for the sins of the whole world.
        1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him,
        1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments,
             Is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
        1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word,
             in him verily is the love of God perfected:
             hereby know we that we are IN HIM


2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of PROPHECY;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, (The only worship word)
                as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
                until the day dawn,
                and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
        is of any private interpretation. (FURTHER EXPOUNDING)

        MUSICAL METER is Further Expounding. Scripture supplies NO METER

2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
        but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


2Pet. 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
        even as there shall be false teachers among you,
        who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
        even denying the LORD that BOUGHT them,
              [denying that it was JESUS who came in the flesh]
        and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pet. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
        by reason of whom the WAY of TRUTH shall be evil spoken of.[blasphemabitur]

Denying the Word or Logos as God's Regulative Principle is therefore Blasphemy.

2Pet. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they
        with feigned WORDS make MERCHANDISE of you:
        whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
        and their damnation slumbereth not.

False Teachers are old "spirits" which Jude said are FOREORDAINED to tamper with the WORD ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS.

Theology Forum / Re: the Negative Inference Fallacy.
« on: Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 13:51:41 »
Compiled for Sarge. Why do you think that people are Purpose Driven to contradict God?

Those Justified by FAITH and doing righteous deeds are QUALIFIED or because Paul is always refuting the Jews, NOT ceremonially unclean.  A justified person is NOT a saved person or ACCEPTED by Jesus Christ into His Kingdom and SCHOOL OF THE WORD.

No one is FREE FROM SIN, Receives A new REgenerated spirit, that their spirit translated into a heavenly kingdom until AFTER they have OBEYED THE GOSPEL.

Theology Forum / Re: God’s Holy Spirit & His Functions
« on: Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 12:08:12 »
OF is a preposition: the Spirit OF God is God's Spirit. As claimed by theologians, God does not need another PERSON to BREATH His Word.  It is my understanding that the translators would never have used THE added to Holy Spirit if they thought that the Spirit OF Christ was another person required for Him to be ARTICULATE as claimed by the Lipscomb Guru.  We miss a lot when every use of "spirit" is thought of as another person.

In 1 corinthians 2 Paul draws a parallel:

God's Spirit is to GOD
OUR spirit is to use

The Apostles were enable to speak for God and Paul said WE have the MIND of Christ. Mind is often parallel to Spirit.

There is no Scripture that hinds that Jesus OF Nazareth was the Lord (YHWH) the only God (ELOYHIM)
Most "Theologians" insist that Jesus was GOD in the flesh.

The same RATIO exists by those who claim that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL worship when Jesus said that it "Created mental anxiety" or the LADED BURDEN

I Don't know a single "Scholar" at any university proven by their sermons, books or gatherings to "buy and sell" who gives evidence that they know about PREPOSITIONS.

Theology Forum / Re: God’s Holy Spirit & His Functions
« on: Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 10:08:15 »
John 4:21 JESUS saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh,
        when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
        when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER in spirit and in truth:
        for the FATHER seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a SPIRIT:
       and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth.


Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them,
        and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted,
        and supposed that they had seen a SPIRIT.
Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me,
        and see; for a SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES
        AS YE SEE ME HAVE   
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken,
        he shewed them his hands and his feet.


Theology Forum / Re: God’s Holy Spirit & His Functions
« on: Mon Sep 17, 2018 - 08:38:31 »
It even gets worse when he's speaking on Godhead of Jesus Christ~he denies that Jesus is God MANIFESTED in the flesh. He has a big surprise coming very soon.

Why wasn't he smart enough to say that GOD WAS IN THE FLESH. The Jews thought the same thing

John 10:36 Say ye of him,
      whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED, and sent into the world,
      Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Theology Forum / Re: God’s Holy Spirit & His Functions
« on: Sun Sep 16, 2018 - 22:14:31 »
True: God has always had His Word, Wisdom and Spirit WITH Him.  The prophets spoke by the SPIRIT and when Moses or David spoke MESSIANIC they were speaking what Jesus called HOLY SPIRIT. God sent His Word in HIS SPIRIT.  God's Holy Spirit worked in many people.  There are several "messianic" psalms which are referenced in the New Testament. David spoke by God's Holy Spirit.

God's Spirit gave the builders of the Tabernacle skills they did not have and they made the Tabernacle after a heavenly pattern.

"The Holy Spirit was not yet given" speaks of the role Jesus was given by god. He still exists in the STATE of Holy Spirit.  All revelation in the Old Testament was by God's Holy Spirit.

To qualify people to be DISCIPLES our spirits must be made holy.  The Same Spirit which inspired the Prophets in these last days SPEAKS by His Son.

Psa. 51:7  Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean:
       wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa. 51:8 Make me to HEAR joy and gladness;
         that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Psa. 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins,
        and blot out all mine iniquities.
Psa. 51:10 Create in me a CLEAN HEART, O God;
          and renew a RIGHT SPIRIT me.
Psa. 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence;
        and take not thy HOLY spirit from me.
Psa. 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation;
        and uphold me with thy FREE spirit.

Clean, Right, Holy or Free ARE not three more "gods."  God's Spirit is the Spirit WHICH BELONGS to God.  The LU-GURU said that THE holy spirit as a people are REQUIRED to make the words of God and Jesus INTELLIGIBLE.

Spirit is not in the class with persons.  The only reason that SPIRIT was ever used is because of THE HOLY GHOST version. 

When God's Spirit dwells in us we have the MENTAL DISPOSITION of God.  All of the end-time Spiritual terrorism is by people who claim that A SPIRIT speaks to them.  That is why you will notice that quoting the TEXT as the PRODUCT of God's Spirit gets you hurt.

Theology Forum / Re: God’s Holy Spirit & His Functions
« on: Sun Sep 16, 2018 - 21:42:34 »

Psa. 51:10 Create in ME a clean HEART,
       O God; and renew a RIGHT spirit WITHIN ME

Spirit Words (wind) is used in a figurative sense of THE MENTAL DISPOSITION of Man or God

Eph. 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the OLD MAN
        which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph. 4:23 And be REnewed in the SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND
Eph. 4:24 And that ye put on the NEW MAN,
           which after God is created in righteousness and true HOLINESS.

Col. 3:10 And have put on the NEW MAN,
         which is REnewed in knowledge
         after the image of him that created him:

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
      but according to his mercy he saved us,
      by the washing of regeneration,
      and REnewing of the Holy SPIRIT;

NOT renewing BY THE Holy Spirit.

Our spirits were holy until we sinned so that WE need to have OUR spirits RENEWED or REBORN

THE Holy Spirit does not NEED to be REnewed.

Heb. 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,  [Church of Christ]
        which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
         and to the spirits OF just men made PERFECT

People who are JUSTIFIED by Christ are now QUALIFIED to be made PERFECT by REQUEST at Baptism;

5048.  teleioo, tel-i-o´-o; from 5046; to complete, i.e. (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character): — consecrate, finish, fulfil, make) perfect.

OUR Spirits are UNholy because it is FILLED with the conscience of sin and UNABLE to see clearly.
When OUR Sins are removed from OUR spirit then we have A holy spirit.

BAPTISM SAVES says Peter who spoke Acts 2:38 because we REQUEST A good conscience or Consciousnes.  A holy spirit is A good conscience is OUR spirits made PERFECT.

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