Amo, I only know by what you have posted, and based upon that I post back to you. You do have a work system, I do not care how you may package your gospel with "grace stickers" inside it's another gospel that you are delivering to others. You clearly said:
Amo's corrupt gospel unveiled.
1. You have people that according to you have been justified, yet not saved~that's an impossibility. If one has been legally justified then they are in one true biblical sense SAVED for sin and condemnation. I choose my words carefully, so that you will not be able to play with my words and twist them in your favor, NOT to say you would, only saying that I very carefully choose my thoughts concerning the words I'm using to that they cannot be used against me in my understanding of the truth.
Now, I'm not sure if you are saying that EVERY sinner is justified, only that he needs to show it by faith and then live a sanctified life. That was the belief of Thaddaeus of the EOC. Maybe you can clarify this for me.
The truth is every sinner for whom Christ died for WAS JUSTIFIED legally at the very point of Jesus' resurrection. When Jesus arose, so did his CHOSEN BODY~it is impossible to separate the HEAD from the BODY. I could keep going, but enough said on this point.
2. You said: "each will now determine their own fate"~so, by your own words, you have man deciding his own fate, and have man being his own savior. Where does God's election of GRACE come into your theology? Like most others, you reject it. Salvation cannot be by any other system than by FREE GRACE, or, it ceases to be of grace, and must be by works. They cannot be mixed. One's gospel must be either or, they do not mix and still claim to be of one.
Again IN ADAM as we proved in the last month or so in another thread that we were put under the system of WORKS and sinned and were condemned to death and condemnation by Adam's sin. In Christ, his chosen seed was given eternal life BY HIS OBEDIENCE and HOLY life BY GRACE and SECURED by two immutable acts of God~His oath and his promises the same that was given to Abraham concerning Issac, who like all of God's elect was the son of God's PROMISES to Abraham. My eternal salvation is depending on GOD'S FAITHFULNESS, NOT mine! Have you never read with understanding these wonderful scriptures: Amo, I will trust in God's faithfulness, NOT MINE, and you would be wise to do the same.
More word games and petty accusations I have no interest in. We've been through this kind of junk many times already. Why do you bother debating or trying to teach at all, if there is no choice to be made? All just a waste of time. Do you really believe God set up a system of works first, then abandoned the same when we failed it? Now what, humanities experience is just one long nauseating history of pain and suffering for some kind of fulfillment for God regarding that which no one or no thing can can effect or change in any way for themselves or anyone else.
God did not create a system of works, save working out one's own salvation with fear and trembling through Christ Jesus our Lord. Nor was He surprised by what happened on earth to humanity. To the contrary, we exist exactly to prove the power of choice, and that we are free moral agents. Not just to ourselves and God, but all creation. Here and now the differences between the Mystery of Godliness and the Mystery of Iniquity are being played out and exposed for all to see, understand, and choose between. Those who will not exercise this gift from God given at infinite cost, or make the right choice concerning the same, will come to their end along with sin and suffering in the lake of fire.
If all were not justified in Christ the LAMB who was slain from the foundation of the world, humanity would have ended long ago in the Garden.
1 Pet 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
1 Joh 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
The gift of God in Christ Jesus our Lord the LAMB OF GOD, was given to and for all of humanity. In Him alone does or has anyone ever had life before and even more especially after the fall. This life granted to us in anticipation of God's sacrifice in Christ Jesus, who gave us His all, is for the express purpose of allowing the time to make the same choice in response to that very love and grace demonstrated on our behalf. All of humanity will either choose to respond in like manner, or perish in iniquity which alone would reject such love and grace. During which time the Mysteries of Godliness and Iniquity will both be played out and exposed for all to see, understand, and choose between for all time.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
We are sanctified by Jesus Christ alone, and His righteousness, not our own which none posses. Those who will not choose to enter into the sacrifice of the body of Christ Jesus, whose body the saved are, will not be sanctified or saved. This is a choice that all must make, even those who have never heard of Christ Jesus by way of the conviction of the Holy Spirit of God unto righteousness. God knows His own who seek after truth and righteousness.
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.