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Apologetics Forum / Re: What Defines Character?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 18:53:30 »

Very true.  I have also heard character described as who you are when you are under trial-- or everything is going wrong.  Not that anyone is going to be perfect under trial---but do we eventually submit to it and continue to trust in God? In other words, what are our true colors? What are we when we are under pressure?

Introductions / Re: New Here
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 18:37:11 »

Welcome!  I actually just came to the board very recently myself.  It is so good that you are seeking to know more about Jesus.  There is a very famous scripture which says:

"Behold I stand at the door and knock. If ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door I will come into him, and dine with him and he with me."  (Revelation. 3:20)

Jesus himself is saying that he is standing right at the door of your heart and knocking.  You can ask him to come into your heart.  The reason you are seeking Jesus is actually because he is seeking for you Aasimah. All you need to do is open the door. We need to realize that we are a sinner, and need Jesus as our savior. As we admit that and open the door of our hearts to him, he will come in and make us new in Christ.  I pray you will do that.

I became a Christian as I sat alone in a room and read the GOSPEL OF JOHN.  That is a very good book to start with as you read the Bible.  The Lord is so close and loves you very much.  It is good that you have come here, and are seeking for God.

God bless you!   ::smile::

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 18:29:17 »
Yes---go back to my post yesterday at 1:11.  Nehemiah 2 is an excellent example of God answering prayer immediately to soften the heart of a king.

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 16:30:30 »

Please see my post to eccl below----I think you are also misunderstanding what I am saying.  I never said that God will "take over" someone's will-----I said that our prayers will cause God to move upon the wills and hearts of others to soften them to receive the truth.  Or he will humble them greatly through his judgment, as he did to Nebuchadnezzar, in order to get them to open their eyes.  But because God moves through prayer, he often does these things in response to our intercession.  That is why God asks us to "pray without ceasing", and to intercede for others as much as we can.  God "sets up kings, and removes them" and he "humbles the proud"---and he looks for a man to "stand in the gap" to intercede so he can move on behalf of our prayers and save the lost.

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 13:37:28 »

It is not my opinion.  Did you read the account of King Nebuchadnezzar below? If God had not intervened in his life neither his heart nor his will could have changed---that is not "conjecture"on my part, that is a fact.

Read Daniel 4 if you get a chance---you will see Nebuchadnezzar telling Daniel that Daniel has "the spirit of the gods" in him.  But then after God intervenes, Nebuchadnezzar blesses THE MOST HIGH GOD---he has a complete change of heart and will.  If you can't see that after reading that chapter then I really don't know what else to tell you.

God bless!  ::smile::

Prayer Requests Online and Praise Reports / Operation World
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 10:56:29 »
I am new on the board so I am not sure if anyone has shared this website before, or has this book. If you are interested in World evangelism it's great to go to this website and offer up a prayer for the country of the day.  I just thought I'd share this with you:  after entering site, click on "today's country":

Apologetics Forum / Re: does anyone here believe in predestination?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 10:50:26 »

Whatever time is---we are constrained by it.  And God created it.  For God to see the end from the beginning He must be outside of time.  As an example, it is kind of like a parade.  We, constrained by time, must stand at one vantage point and only watch what is coming past us at the moment.  We view a float, or a band, and wait for the next thing to pass by.

But God is like a man 10 stories up in building----outside and above the parade route.  He can see the WHOLE PARADE at one time.  He can see the first band, and the last float---He alone can see the total picture.   God created time, and is not constrained by it.  He is infinite and existed before there was a thing called "time".

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 10:38:00 »

Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I am saying.  Of course an individual COULD turn away if the wanted to.   The point is----God will respond to our prayers, and he will affect the will and lives of unbelievers due to prayer. Yes--God does give free will, but he also touches hearts, opens hearts, and humbles sinners due to our prayers.  That is my point.  If we didn't believe God could,  what would be the use in praying for the unsaved??

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Fri Aug 21, 2009 - 10:18:59 »
Jimmy, Jiggyfly----

I will try one last time  ::smile::    In the morning I am reading through the book of Daniel. I read chapter 4 this morning, which in many ways falls exactly into what we are discussing here.  Daniel was a very godly man---and I am sure (without a doubt) that he was praying for King Nebuchanezzar, knowing what a proud man he was. Daniel was definitely an intercessor, and most likely prayed for all of those around him.

Nebuchadnezzar had a dream and Daniel told him the interpretation.  That for 7 years Nebuchanezzar would be turned into an "animal like" person due to his pride.  The chapter says a year passes after Daniel tells the King the interpretation of his dream.  Most likely, after a whole year, Nebuchadnezzar thought that the dream he had, and Daniel's interpretation of it were not going to be fulfilled.  So, he says "Look at the Kingdom I have built" (as though he, hiumself, and not God, had given him his power and kingdom)----and it says that immediately a voice tells him he will now become like one of the animals.  So, as a result of his great pride,  Nebuchadnezzar lives as a beast for 7 years.

Now---at the end of the seven years his understanding returns, and what is the first thing he does?
"When this period was over, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes to heaven; my reason was restored to me, and I blessed the Most High, I praised and glorified him who lives forever: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures through all generations".  (Daniel 4:31)

The king becomes a believer in the Most High God of Israel as a RESULT of GOD'S INTERFERENCE with his will and his life!

Now, again, I have to ask you----does God interfere and affect the wills of men?  HE MOST CERTAINLY DOES.

And this gives us great confidence to continue to pray for those that SEEM to be out of reach.  Sometimes those who SEEM as though they could never come to Christ are the very one's that God touches, and they are gloriously saved!  God alone can humble them----just as he humbled Nebuchadnezzar----so we can pray with great hope and faith for those all around us----even the most hardened sinners.  God CAN do ANYTHING-----and that is not just "conjecture".   ::smile::

Read Daniel 4---it is very enlightening!

Apologetics Forum / Re: does anyone here believe in predestination?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 18:48:57 »
>>>I suspect that God is subject to time though, as He works in a linear way across time.<<<

DCR---You stated this in your post below.  Actually, if you google "time" you will see that it is considered the fourth dimension.  Since God created the visible Universe, and all of the dimensions themselves, how could He be subject to any of them?

Just curious.

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 17:54:33 »

You said "God cannot and will not change anyone's will".  I would not advise
anyone to say God "cannot" do something.  Nothing is impossible with God, and he can do anything He wants to do.  Here is an instance where God did work on someone's Heart and Will in the book of Acts.  Yes---it says she was a "worshiper of God", but not a Christian.  God literally "causes" her to listen----He affects her very Will so that she will come to him:

"And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed there was a place of prayer, and we sat down and spoke to the women who had come together.  One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul".  (Acts 16:13,14)

Notice that it says that the Lord "opened her heart to pay attention". He caused her Will to respond to what was being said. So, I would again say that the Lord can and will affect the wills of men due to prayer. He can touch the lost and He can touch the saved.

For you to say that to pray for God to change someone's will is "witchcraft" is quite a statement.  You might want to rethink that---I say that in the kindest terms---don't want to be argumentative---but that is a very strong statement.

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 15:49:39 »

Actually God can soften a hardened heart.  In the reference I gave below Nehemiah prayed to God before he replied to the King (Nehemiah was in great fear because he knew how the King COULD respond to his request).  God can alter the will of man in response to our prayers.  Of course, you are correct God wants us to submit to His will for us-----but sometimes our prayers can move the hand of God into a situation and literally change the mind or will of someone we are praying for.  I truly believe that.   ::prayinghard::

Theology Forum / Re: Is Trumpets Sounding A Sin?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 15:37:06 »
If it is Louie Armstrong is the chief of sinners.   ::smile::

Theology Forum / Re: Speaking in tongues????
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 15:26:51 »

Thanks!  But I have to use the manna the same day or it will spoil right?  ::smile::

Just kidding.    Thanks!!!  ::smile:: 

Theology Forum / Re: Speaking in tongues????
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 14:44:51 »

I like your posts below.  I do not speak in tongues.  But I also cannot deny that they are indeed real.  As in anything else there are "counterfeits" and "fakes"----that is for sure.    But the very word "counterfeit" implies that there is a "real" thing that is being "counterfeited".  A counterfeit $20.00 is made to look as much like the real thing as possible.  So, if there are counterfeit "tongues" they are invented to look as much like the "real" thing as possible. So I do believe that gift exists as much as any of the other gifts that are listed in scripture.

God can do anything, and give any gift he wants to!   ::smile::


As segell quoted below--but I am adding one extra verse:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast. For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them" (Eph. 2:8-10)

Please note: We are saved by Grace through faith for good works--not by good works.  This is a very important distinction.  A Christian performs good works as a result of their salvation-----they do not perform good works to receive salvation.

We must always remember that salvation is a free gift---not something we could ever earn ourselves.


I would just add that the very reason you need to ask the question shows you that in your heart you already know the answer.  Pray that she will have what is best for her, and that God will give you what is best for you.   God will not fail to give you what is best for you even if you have to wait a while to receive it.  God is filled with lovingkindness!!  And He wants what is best for you! But God has His own timing also.  Be patient and the very best will come!
"He who did not spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, how will he not also give us everything else along with him?" (Romans 8:32)

You're in good hands Dane.    ::smile::

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 13:31:17 »
Born again---

Thanks!   ::smile::

General Discussion Forum / Re: Is it Biblical?
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 13:11:12 »
Born Again----

I read your post and it made me think of Nehemiah before the king:

"In the month Nisan of the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when the wine was in my charge, I took some and offered it to the king. As I had never before been sad in his presence, the king asked me, "Why do you look sad? If you are not sick, you must be sad at heart." Though I was seized with great fear, I answered the king: "May the king live forever! How could I not look sad when the city where my ancestors are buried lies in ruins, and its gates have been eaten out by fire?"
The king asked me, "What is it, then, that you wish
?" I prayed to the God of heaven"  (Nehemiah 2:1-4)

If you read this chapter you'll see that Nehemiah was the "King's cupbearer". He could easily be executed for a fault, or even a foul look on his face in front of the king.  So, it says that Nehemiah was "seized with great fear".  But right at that moment he "prayed to the God of heaven".   He was actually asking God to change the King's will---to soften his heart--to have mercy on Nehemiah and his people.  And the Lord did so!  Read the rest of the chapter and you will see that God can change the very will of people-------of course, it must fall within GOD'S WILL to do so!  ::smile::

Introductions / Re: Hi all, I'm a newbie!
« on: Thu Aug 20, 2009 - 12:58:08 »
Hi everyone.  I'm new here------just joined today.  I just wanted to say "HI!!"


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