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General Discussion Forum / Re: Creation scientists
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Today at 22:10:21 »
Please do point out where I have done so, and I will clarify my position as relating directly to the scriptures. I certainly do not want to give the impression that I am looking elsewhere for a final word concerning truth.
Well, we're up to page 39.  I reckon most of the pages in this thread contain a lengthy quotation from at least one redoubtable "scientific" source.

Why do you need scientists to affirm Scripture?  It does not belong in the province of science.  It is literature.

Jarrod
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A euphemism born of water for physical birth is never used anywhere else in the bible.  It was not a euphemism then; it is not a euphemism now. It is simply a construct by those who refuse to accept the connection of the water of John3 for the water of baptism, which it most naturally is.

No, it isn't baptism.  Got to read backwards for that one.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Creation scientists
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 17:50:00 »
Page upon page of posts against Catholics, the Catholic Church and its leadership; your insistence of interpreting Babylon of Revelation as being the Catholic Church; eleven pages of your diatribe in the topic "Roman Politics". So far as I know, no one here attacks the SDA and what you believe with all the viciousness and malignancy that you attack the Catholic Church or anyone who does not agree with your interpretation of Scripture. 
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It does not matter. They support the same thing. And that before the translators got their hands on things.
They support what same thing, Rella?
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Why?  Water is strongly associated with birth both in nature and throughout the Bible.  A baby is born when the mother's "water breaks."
A euphemism born of water for physical birth is never used anywhere else in the bible.  It was not a euphemism then; it is not a euphemism now. It is simply a construct by those who refuse to accept the connection of the water of John3 for the water of baptism, which it most naturally is.
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Exactly! Isaac's birth was a PERFECT allegory of how every child of promise is born AGAIN. It is by the Spirit of God, according to God's promises of his oath and grace to the seed of Jesus Christ. Nicodemus should have known this being in the position of teaching Israel.
You have got to be kidding.  That was not Isaac being born again.  That was Isaac being born the first time -- PHYSICALLY.

I seriously doubt that you were conceived in a woman by a man, both beyond their years of fertility through the direct intercession of God.
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I have five commentaries on the Gospel of John plus a couple of books on the introduction to the NT.  Not a one of them would support what you think.  Of the entire NT, I know of only one book that might have a passage or two that was originally in Aramaic, and that is the Gospel of Matthew.  And even that is contested. There is not any of the earliest manuscripts of the NT that are in any language other than Koine Greek.

Even the LXX had been in existence for a couple hundred years by the time any of the NT was authored.

It does not matter. They support the same thing. And that before the translators got their hands on things.
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Rella 'flesh" is a spiritual term describing depraved humanity (Genesis 5:3; Job 14:14; Psalms 51:5; 58:3; John 1:13; Romans 8:7; Ist Peter 3:21; 2nd Corinthians 7:1)~which according to the word of God is sinful, at enmity against God! Romans 8

I'll answer your question since others did not.

I got some catching up to do. I'll post more as I can.

You are making my point.

Jesus said... and you can do the Greek or Aramaic... IDC... though I have the Greek on my laptop.

John 3:5 Answered - Jesus Truly truly I say to you if not anyone be born of water and of [the]Spirit not he is able to enter into
the kingdom of God

And then He went immediately to

John 3:6  That having been born of the flesh flesh is and that having been born of the Spirit spirit is

and the continuation certainly says that your rotten flesh ( though it is not stated as such) cannot inherit the kingdom of God... unless the one with the rotten flesh has been born of the spirit.
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I think there is a good possibility that it was originally in Aramaic.

We know Jesus spoke in Aramaic often.....

But it does not matter because from what you posted

Aramaic

3.5 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly truly I say to you, If a man is not born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. 

Greek interlinear

John 3:5 Answered - Jesus Truly truly I say to you if not anyone be born of water and of [the]Spirit not he is able to enter into the kingdom - of  God

To me these say the same thing... What say you?

If a man is not born of water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

For sure it is not King Jimmy's translation.

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https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/micron-to-build-the-worlds-largest-semiconductor-facility-in-the-us?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=content&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=Oct06&fbclid=IwAR0UiMW9S6xsyUk9qtv7yDLbHdtL7B7rYbJU6JHcfmGQ-8lVQj7201j50R0

Chipmaker Micron Technology revealed on Tuesday ambitious plans to develop a $100-billion computer chip factory complex in upstate New York, in a bid to boost domestic chip manufacturing and possibly deal with a worrying chips shortage. The money will be invested over a 20 year period, according to Reuters.
The world's largest semiconductor fabrication facility

Micron claims the project will be the world's largest semiconductor fabrication facility and will create nearly 50,000 jobs in New York alone. Currently, the largest semiconductor manufacturers in the world are: Intel Corp., Samsung, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSMC), SK Hynix, Micron Technology Inc., Qualcomm, Broadcom Inc., and Nvidia.

The chip shortage first became apparent in 2020, when many chip-making factories, called foundries, closed due to the COVID-19 virus. At the same time, the virus was changing the habits of people worldwide.

People stuck in their homes invested heavily in new computers for themselves or for their children who were learning from home. Unable to go out to movie theaters or restaurants, many people opted to buy new televisions or game consoles, and with working and learning from home came the need to stay connected. This led to increased sales of phones, especially new 5G-enabled phones, and with this development surfaced a worrying chip shortage.

Factories could simply not produce chips fast enough for demand.

Samsung, the world’s second largest chip producer, told the BBC in August of 2021 that it might have to skip the launch of its next Galaxy Note smartphone. Samsung's mobile chief and Co-CEO Koh Dong-jin told a shareholder meeting at the time that, "there's a serious imbalance in supply and demand of chips in the IT sector globally."

The firm has announced a first phase investment of $20 billion planned by the end of this decade. The news comes about as US President Joe Biden signed the CHIPS and Science Act in August of 2022, providing $52.7 billion in subsidies for U.S. semiconductor production and research to boost competitiveness with China.

Guess Biden will take credit.
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