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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by Mrs Wheels on Today at 17:23:34 »
There is an inherent consideration to be given the meaning of faith or believing in God.  We are told that it comes from hearing.  We are not told explicitly how God plans to deal with those who have not had the opportunity to hear.  We are told about those who "disbelieve".  In the word "disbelieve" it is understood that they have heard and rejected.  Now it is a different consideration if there are those who hear and as you state, "so not have the same ability to comprehend and to process information".  I am quite sure that God will deal justly [and fairly] with both those who have never heard and those unable to grasp the significance of what they are being told.

I understand that runs against what you believe, but what you believe runs counter to so much that God says about Himself.  The very idea that He would condemn individuals under the concept of unconditional election is abhorrent, and speaks volumes against your interpretation of the Scriptures you think support it.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by NorrinRadd on Today at 17:06:51 »
Has this thread run its course now?
 ::headscratch::

NO!!!

Always more time for  ::beatingdeadhorse::
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Theology Forum / Shunning:
« Last post by LaSpino3 on Today at 17:00:45 »
What’s the Bible say about shunning? Synonym’s for the word shunning are, to avoid, to keep clear of; not to fall on, or come in contact with; not to mix or associate with.

The first form of to shun can be seen in the following verses,
 
2 Timothy 2:16, “But shun profane and vain babblings: they will increase unto more ungodliness.”

Job 2:8, “The LORD said to Satan, have you considered my servant Job, --- a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and escheweth (shuns) evil.”

Job 28:28, “The fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart (shun) evil is understanding.”

So, in the above cases, to shun or depart from evil is good. But, to shun also has other meaning, as in the deliberate avoidance of someone.

In religious or established church’s, shunning is a form of church discipline against those who have violated church rules. It’s a formal decision by church members to ban and to not interact with the person who is to be shunned.

It’s a practice for Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons the Amish, Mennonites and others to shun former members. Shunning is only applied to those who have been baptized by them; to those adult members who have willfully violated their vows. Non-members, and those who never took the vows are not eligible to be shunned.

Jewish parents prefer their children marry within the faith, if not, they may strike at them or shun them utterly: “do not give your daughter to a Gentile’s son, and do not take his daughter for you own son. For if you do, they will remove your sons from worshipping the LORD.”

It is directly in the Torah in Deuteronomy 7:1-4. The issue set forth in the text is that non-believers will turn the son to believe and worship other gods. Ahab and Jezebel would be a prime example.
 
Adolph Hitler made it a crime to associate in any way with any Jew. Here’s another form of shunning; since the Jews have had a state of their own beginning in May of 1948, they have become more vulnerable to the world’s hostility. Israel has the dubious distinction of being the only member of the United Nations whose right to exist is regularly challenged and who’s elimination from the world map is the aim of many U.N. member states, except for the United States and a few others.

The extent and duration of the shunning vary among the various groups that practice it. Certain cults and traditional societies practice severe forms of shunning, it, at times may lead whole families to be ostracized from all aspects of society.

In other cases, shunning goes beyond excommunication: to be shunned is to be denied personal interaction with church members in all social, non-ecclesiastical settings.
Shunning can be used or misused in spiritual manipulation; but there is a proper place for breaking with certain individuals,

1 Corinthians 5:11, Paul is dealing with a man involved in gross immorality. He writes, “If any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer (reviler), or drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one, no, not to eat.”

Verse 13, “But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore, put away from among yourselves that wicked person.”
 
Now, the ultimate goal of excommunication or any form of shunning is to restore that person to the faith,

Galatians 6:1, “If a man be overtaken in a fault, you which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.”

For the fallen, we are to apply a form of discipline that will bring on a quick repentance, and we are to ultimately reunite any fallen brother or sister with the body of Christ. Yet regardless of any and all circumstances, we have the responsibility to pray for all, and to extend forgiveness when repentance is evident.

Laspino3
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by Ginger Rella on Today at 16:47:03 »
Salad and sammiches are a recipe straight from hell.


Well, we shall continue in that I will make YOU no sammiches
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 16:07:52 »
Has this thread run its course now?
 ::headscratch::



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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 15:56:22 »
First, the offer is to TC but I will remember for the future and will not make you any.

I make 2 kings of Egg Salad.

One with chopped green olives, and mayo.

One with a bit of chopped onion, celery and mayo

You would hate Maury's egg thing which is hollowing out a round rye bread.... Mixing the finely chopped eggs with just enough mayo to hold together... place that in the hollowed out bread and top with caviar.... that has been rinsed and drained all night... and serving with party rye.

But today... I find I am out of both celery and olives  so I made deviled eggs instead.  They being with mayo and mustard and a sprinkle of paprika

Thanks for your permission to eat.....

It is scrambled , sunny side up or over easy I cannot stomach.

I'd love to have your egg salad recipes, Rella. They sound so good. I'm eating a lot of eggs these days.
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by faroukfarouk on Today at 15:40:17 »
Has this thread run its course now?
 ::headscratch::
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 15:38:11 »
If calling a spade, a spade is rude and offensive, that's just too bad.  Truth needs to be heard.
Well you just proved it again, well done.
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Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by NorrinRadd on Today at 15:32:35 »

All the laws that Elohim gave to Moses to speak to Israel is a requirement of the faith. All the Law of Moses must be done with zeal and worship to Elohim. ...

Alas for you, the book of Hebrews tells us the Obsolete Covenant has been replaced, and its Law left with it.

Gal. 3, Col. 2, and Eph. 2 tell us beyond reasonable doubt that for those in Christ, the old Law, and every ordinance, decree, and Commandment therein, has been cancelled, abolished, hung on the Tree, nailed to the Cross.

Gal. 5 tells us explicitly that any who seek to be justified by following law have fallen from grace and are cut off from Christ, and Gal. 1 tells us that those who try to impose such foolishness on others are to be considered accursed.
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