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What you are tripping over is failing to recognize that Christ was ALREADY SPOILING Satan's "goods" by casting our devils during His earthly ministry because Satan had "FIRST" BEEN BOUND much earlier in time before Christ's days on earth.  You would have the binding of Satan being initiated at the cross.  That's impossible, because the "spoiling" of Satan's property by Christ and the disciples casting out of devils was clear evidence of Satan's binding being initiated even before Christ's earthly ministry.
As I go on into this discussion, please address below my questions and thoughts.

When and where do the scriptures reveal Satan was bound much earlier in time before Christ's days on earth~and show the reason "why" he was bound.

I agree that Satan's power was restained as far as Israel after the flesh was concerned at times in their history.

Also, the casting out of devils during Christ's ministry on earth was proof that the kingdom of God had come as promised in the OT. Satan did not need to be bound, because a greater and more powerful kingdom was there confronting Satan's kingdom~yet this kingdom at Christ coming was limited to Israel only, it was not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs. But that all changed when Israel rejected the kingdom and its king! They were looking for an earthly kingdom of this world and still are btw. All this was done by the determining, eternal counsel of God

The Gentile nations steep in worshipping false gods were going to get that kingdom promised in the OT, yet in order to accomplish this, Satan, their god had to be bound and was according to the word of God.

This is only half of the story, the Gentiles like Israel of old did as wicked as Israel in turning away their ears from hearing the word of God, and that rebellion brings on the wrath of God just as it did on Israel after the flesh.

The book of Daniel, certain parts of the gospels, and 2nd Thessalonians 2; and Revelation, covers this period of the Gentiles nations rebellious spirit and the judgment that was appointed unto them of God, and how God had His seven thousand who never bow their knees to the god of the nations they were in, and because of this suffered greatly at their hands.

Preterism rejects these truths and rubber-stamps much of the bible by saying FULLIFLLED 70 A.D. ! leaving us with very little scriptures for the church in the very mist of this great tribulation that Daniel, Christ, Paul, and John said would come and is upon her even as we speak.

We are now living in the end of the days of the parable of the mustard seed.
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Matthew 13:31~"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. "
This parable is very easy to understand and if one does not understand this parable then how could they ever understand any of the parables.

This parable proves that your position on the devil and his evil spirits friends were destroyed in 70 A.D. is false and they are very much alive and present in the churches of the Gentiles in the last days before the coming of Jesus Christ.

The kingdom of heaven/God which IS HERE at this very hour~ started out in the days of Christ very, very small, only about a hundred and twenty in the upper room just before Pentecost has turned in the one of, if not the largest known entity in this world on just about every secondary and main street across this globe.

Guess what, they are not filled with saints but fowls of the air...in other words devils, and teachings doctrines of devils in those places of worship! They are not just there~they LODGE THERE, permanently to stay! The man of sin ruling in the temple of God~so, let those in Judea flee unto the mountains and they WILL~that's, the seven thousand will.

I may take some chapters in Revelation and prove that that prophetic book gives us details of these very days~days going on now, not 2000 years ago.
Quote from: 3 Resurrections on: Thu Jan 20, 2022 - 10:01:12
When and where do the scriptures reveal Satan was bound much earlier in time before Christ's days on earth~and show the reason "why" he was bound.
I really need you to address this for now.

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Theology Forum / Re: Numbers 21
« Last post by Bemark on Today at 04:33:45 »
The snakes was given because they moaned and complained.

bitterness and poison came out of there mouth. They wanted the problems to go away. it was a heart issue . So he sent there judgement of poison in a physical matter.

how do you think there words of poison  spoken felt to God ? after he delivered them of there tormentors.

he responded in ........see how it feels now.

The heart had to be judged. bronze  ( Judgement )

he gave them a way out. They had to confess there sin of moaning against God and his appointed leadership



 
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General Discussion Forum / Re: #RealNotRare
« Last post by RB on Today at 03:56:16 »
Anecdotal, but my mother was admitted to the hospital after each covid shot. Both times for chest pain and A-fib run amok. The second time was much worse than the first time.

Coincidence? IDK

My dad is insisting she get the booster, but she doesn't want to. If she goes ahead with it, and her heart goes wonky again, I'm going to have to say it isn't a coincidence.
Of course, all of her doctors say the shots had nothing to do with it.
I bet the shots had everything to do with it!

They are watching the same thing you are watching: http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/general-discussion-forum/tests-110270/msg1055195073/?topicseen#msg1055195073  Reply #2   

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Theology Forum / Re: Numbers 21
« Last post by Alan on Yesterday at 20:31:36 »

4WD & 3 Resurrections:

    To question God's wisdom and/or decisions and be curious and excited about the mysteries surrounding Him are two distinct attributes. To question Him, as in a Court of Law, seems, at least to me, characteristic of carrying an element of doubt or skepticism.

    But we all oftentimes wonder about His "whys" and "why nots" as we think about the myriads of mysteries that are part of His nature.

Buff

Thanks for your non-answer, perhaps someone with some knowledge has some insight on the subject. In the meantime, just keep being you.  ::crackup::
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General Discussion Forum / Re: #RealNotRare
« Last post by Alan on Yesterday at 20:28:06 »
On Monday I spent just about 5 hours in the ER, besides one fellow in handcuffs from corrections, I was the only one in the entire ER.

RealNotRare
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The Brandon administration is saying if you're frustrated about what's going on in the U.S., just go drink some tequila this weekend and you'll feel better on Monday!

https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1484664546815975425


I blew out my flip-flop
Stepped on a pop top
Cut my heel, had to cruise on back home.....

Next thing we know, Jen Psaki will have us playing the Brandon Drinking Game. Every time Brandon fumbles a sentence or gets confused, we take a shot of our preferred alcoholic beverage. That will fix us right up!

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Theology Forum / Re: Numbers 21
« Last post by Reformer on Yesterday at 20:22:48 »
4WD & 3 Resurrections:

    To question God's wisdom and/or decisions and be curious and excited about the mysteries surrounding Him are two distinct attributes. To question Him, as in a Court of Law, seems, at least to me, characteristic of carrying an element of doubt or skepticism.

    But we all oftentimes wonder about His "whys" and "why nots" as we think about the myriads of mysteries that are part of His nature.

Buff
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Theology Forum / Re: Numbers 21
« Last post by Alan on Yesterday at 20:20:01 »

Asking that question is not questioning God's wisdom; it is simply asking "why?".  I don't have an answer, but I certainly think there is nothing wrong with the question.  We ask such questions all the time; it is a large part of what theology is all about.

Thank you 4WD, I think it's quite obvious that God had another plan, that is exactly why I was asking since the verses do not give any more detail.
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What gets me is as of right now, she polls lower than Joe Biden, but the Dems say she's their only hope??  ::shrug::
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And doesn't it scare you to know they now are talking about possibly getting our people out of Ukraine?

Yes, especially considering the way he got people out of Afghanistan. Or should I say - left people behind and positioned our Marines like sitting ducks. This baby girl will never get to feel her daddy's arms holding her - thanks to Joe Biden's failed exit (lack of) policy.


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