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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Yesterday at 08:44:50 »
Enoch didn't ascend.  He was taken.  You are making all of this much harder than it is.

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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 08:40:33 »
Re: Melchizidec« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 09:48:37 »
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Quote from: 3 Resurrections on Mon Jan 23, 2023 - 19:42:28
If Enoch had been taken to heaven before Christ, that would have taken the preeminence away from Christ.

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Christ is the first-fruits of those re-born from the dead.

Enoch was not resurrected.  He was simply taken into the heavens, still alive, and given the task of recording all the evil deeds of mankind.

Jarrod

Jarrod  ::doh::

Can Christ Jesus lie? Apparently so.

John 1:18
King James Version
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

OR not....

John 3:13
King James Version
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


So it is your call... He either lied or he did not. You cannot have it both ways.

I would accept that Enoch was taken to Paradise... to wait.... but then comes that nasty argument about where Paradise is.

I am of the firm belief that Paradise is the upper Chamber of Hades. So if God wanted Enoch spared from anything... this would have been the place....

BUUUTTTTT!!!!
, then you gotta get into the one credible "book of Enoch" AKA 1 Enoch and wonder... did he write it? Did he dictate it? Was it plagiarized by someone? .... How did it came to be.... with the accuracy of things we find through out the 66 books... at the same time so many centuries apart.

Perhaps it was done before he was transferred and having done such a good job God told him that he would keep him from harm and death and hence was moved into Paradise to wait . It being his reward.

I only know he did not got to the heaven where God abides. Not before Jesus was resurrected.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by mommydi on Yesterday at 08:35:31 »
They have not taken Trump out of the running...and now that Pence was found with classified docs at his home... I have not heard his going to not try for it.


No, Pence is parading in front of the cameras almost giddy about it. Political posturing. Patting himself on the back. Showing how noble he is. Knowing full well he won't get the type of FBI raid and scrutiny Trump did. Pence was, and still is protected by the Deep State. For the longest time, he was the only one close to Trump that was never harassed by the alphabet agencies. There's a reason for that.
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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Yesterday at 08:32:36 »
TC.

Not if he was moved somewhere, and given a new name... or just into isolation. NO ONE would have known who he was born as
and therefore they could only witness the 365 years that "common" man had known him from birth until he was gone.


We are not told what he was doing after his initial 365 years, much less where.

Did he have an assignment such as Jarrod suggests that  he given the task of recording all the evil deeds of mankind?

He did not need to be in heaven to do that. In fact... unless he knew everyone in mankind from Adam onward... he would not be able to do so.

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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by mommydi on Yesterday at 08:31:12 »
You don't seem to understand the fundamentals of the problem, and they are twofold.

1.  They are classified files, and keeping them anywhere other than a government building is against the law.

2.  How they are handling the files Biden had and the ones Trump had is entirely different.  I shouldn't be.  If the Trump incident could potentially result in prosecution, then we should be seeing/hearing the exact case with Biden's files.  But we are not.  We have the Leftist media calling it no big deal, a mistake, a possible plant by political enemies.  Whether you wish to  recognize the enormous problem with that scenario, it is , in fact, a huge problem.  It points directly and succinctly to exactly how corrupt the government has become.

"Find Files in Trump place.  Ugh.  Trump go jail.  Hurt Trump."

"Find files in Biden place.  Ugh.  Biden make mistake.  No hurt Joe."

The problem is the same one it's been for the last 15 years:  Liberals don't go to jail.

Dems are ignoring all that and saying it all boils down to "intent." They say Trump intended to bring all those classified documents to his home and intended to use them for nefarious purposes but Joe didn't intend to do any of that. It was all just an accident that he even got home with them. The people who packed his office are the ones at fault. Joe didn't even break the law because he didn't intend to. That's their talking points.
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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 08:11:54 »
It does.  All his days were 365 years.  Then he was taken.  If he went somewhere else on earth, his days would be larger than 365 years

TC.

Not if he was moved somewhere, and given a new name... or just into isolation. NO ONE would have known who he was born as
and therefore they could only witness the 365 years that "common" man had known him from birth until he was gone.

We are not told what he was doing after his initial 365 years, much less where.

Did he have an assignment such as Jarrod suggests that  he given the task of recording all the evil deeds of mankind?

He did not need to be in heaven to do that. In fact... unless he knew everyone in mankind from Adam onward... he would not be able to do so.
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Full-Time Ministers Forum / Re: God is not His Name...
« Last post by DaveW on Yesterday at 08:09:37 »
I think the LXX, the translation of the Old Testament by the Hebrews into Greek in about the third or second century BC, routinely interprets YHVH as the Greek word kurios which in English is Lord.
Which follows the ancient Jewish tradition of saying Adonai (LORD) when reading the 4 letter proper Name of God.
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This could and possibly should be in the political section but since there are those who never read things there it is worth all to read this "opinion" piece from a Tucker Carlson monologue .

The first link has video as well as copy from Tuckers Monologue . Other links follow the quote from link 1. ( A total of 8)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/01/20/tucker_carlson_the_cia_removed_nixon_the_most_popular_president_ever_to_cover_up_their_murder_of_jfk.html

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Fox News host Tucker Carlson talks about the Kennedy assassination and the resignation of Richard Nixon:


TUCKER CARLSON: Joe Biden alone is responsible for this crime. He alone took home classified documents. He didn't have help in doing that, but allowing the country to be invaded, that's not something you can do by yourself. So, if Biden were to be taken down for opening the southern border, a lot of other people would go with them. He had a lot of accomplices. Permanent Washington doesn't want that and ultimately and here's the point: Permanent Washington is in charge. It's not the democracy you imagined. We're seeing that now.

So, if you want to understand, if you really want to understand how the American government actually works at the highest levels, and if you want to know why they don't teach history anymore, one thing you should know is that the most popular president in American history was Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon. Yet somehow, without a single vote being cast by a single American voter, Richard Nixon was kicked out of office and replaced by the only unelected president in American history. So, we went for the most popular president to a president nobody voted for. Wait a minute, you may ask, why didn't I know that? Wasn't Richard Nixon a criminal?

Wasn't he despised by all decent people? No, he wasn't. In fact, if any president could claim to be the people's choice, it was Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon was re-elected in 1972 by the largest margin of the popular vote ever recorded before or since. Nixon got 17 million more votes than his opponent. Less than two years later, he was gone. He was forced to resign and in his place, an obedient servant of the federal agencies called Gerald Ford took over the White House.

How did that happen? Well, it's a long story, but here are the highlights and they tell you a lot. Richard Nixon believes that elements in the federal bureaucracy were working to undermine the American system of government and had been doing that for a long time. He often said that. He was absolutely right. On June 23, 1972, Nixon met with the then–CIA director, Richard Helms, at the White House. During the conversation, which thankfully was tape-recorded, Nixon suggested he knew "who shot John," meaning President John F. Kennedy. Nixon further implied that the CIA was directly involved in Kennedy's assassination, which we now know it was. Helms's telling response? Total silence, but for Nixon, it didn't matter because it was already over. Four days before, on June 19, The Washington Post had published the first of many stories about a break-in at the Watergate office building.

Unbeknownst to Nixon and unreported by The Washington Post, four of the five burglars worked for the CIA. The first of many dishonest Watergate stories was written by a 29-year-old metro reporter called Bob Woodward. Who exactly was Bob Woodward? Well, he wasn't a journalist. Bob Woodward had no background whatsoever in the news business. Instead, Bob Woodward came directly from the classified areas of the federal government. Shortly before Watergate, Woodward was a naval officer at the Pentagon.

He had a top-secret clearance. He worked regularly with the intel agencies. At times, Woodward was even detailed to the Nixon White House, where he interacted with Richard Nixon's top aides. Soon after leaving the Navy, for reasons that have never been clear, Woodward was hired by the most powerful news outlet in Washington and assigned the biggest story in the country. Just to make it crystal clear what was actually happening, Woodward's main source for his Watergate series was the deputy director of the FBI, Mark Felt, and Mark Felt ran — and we're not making this up — the FBI's COINTELPRO program, which was designed to secretly discredit political actors, the federal agencies wanted to destroy — people like Richard Nixon. And at the same time, those same agencies were also working to take down Nixon's elected vice president, Spiro Agnew. In the fall of 1973, Agnew was indicted for tax evasion and forced to resign. His replacement was a colorless congressman from Grand Rapids called Gerald Ford.

What was Ford's qualification for the job? Well, he had served on the Warren Commission, which absolved the CIA of responsibility for President Kennedy's murder. Nixon was strong-armed into accepting Gerald Ford by Democrats in Congress. "We gave Nixon no choice but Ford," Speaker of the House Carl Albert later boasted. Eight months later, Gerald Ford of the Warren Commission was the president of the United States. See how that works? So those are the facts, not speculation. All of that actually happened. None of it's secret. Most of it actually is on Wikipedia, but no mainstream news organization has ever told that story. It's so obvious, yet it's intentionally ignored and as a result, permanent Washington remains in charge of our political system.

Unelected lifers in the federal agencies make the biggest decisions in American government and crush anyone who tries to rein them in and in the process, our democracy becomes a joke. Now, you may have noticed that the very first person in the Trump administration the agencies went after was Gen. Michael Flynn. Why Flynn? Because Mike Flynn was a career Army intel officer who ran the Defense Intelligence Agency. In other words, Mike Flynn knew exactly how the system worked, and as a result, he was capable of fighting back. Four days after Donald Trump's inauguration, the FBI lured Mike Flynn into a meeting without his lawyer, concocted a series of fake crimes and forced him to resign.

So, that's how things actually work in Washington. Let's stop lying about it. Joe Biden, meanwhile, whooped like a hyena when the Justice Department destroyed Mike Flynn. So, there is, we have to say, a certain perverse justice in watching something very similar happen to Joe Biden himself six years later. Joe Biden does not deserve our sympathy. He's being shafted, but don't weep for him, and yet, the rest of us do deserve a better system, an actual democracy. When people nobody voted for run everything, you are not living in a free country.

2. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-in-the-world-tucker-carlson-claims-carl-bernstein-literally-participated-in-an-fbi-operation-to-bring-down-nixon/ar-AA16cnOw
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What in the World? Tucker Carlson Claims Carl Bernstein ‘Literally Participated in an FBI Operation’ to Bring Down Nixon

3. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/01/20/tucker-carlson-details-his-claim-that-the-deep-state-ousted-nixon-for-suggesting-the-cia-killed-kennedy-1326174/

4. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1616248246938271744

5. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-praises-richard-nixon-and-argues-no-one-can-explain-watergate-to-this-day/

6 .https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-claims-richard-nixon-was-removed-questioning-deep-state

7. https://rumble.com/v26g98o-tuckers-stunning-monologue-on-richard-nixon-and-deep-state-breaks-internet.html

8. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-the-real-reason-dems-brought-watergate-figure-john-dean-out-of-[/size]retirement  (This is old... June of 2019)
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 06:37:02 »
Bingo.
Everything about this has to do with the next election and it's not by accident. It's being played out according to plan.

They have not taken Trump out of the running...and now that Pence was found with classified docs at his home... I have not heard his going to not try for it.

I just do not think this is bad enough to keep Biden from running... unless he is so clueless that they tell him he can't because of it? But Jill would know better.... unless she is tired of the game.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: I feel really guilty - and sad.
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 06:32:09 »
I just ran to Sprouts grocery store for a couple of things before this supposed snowstorm hits. A woman (hispanic 40ish) came up to me with her basket, and with pleading eyes, asked me to buy all her groceries for her. I looked at her basket - packed with all kinds of meat, veggies, etc. Looked like healthy choices. I guesstimated she probably had about $150 worth of food. Could have been more if she had any supplements under the food (it's a health food type store). She was nicely dressed - probably better than me. I was wearing jeans and a sweater. She had on what I'd describe as business casual and well groomed. Her eyes kept pleading and and she kept begging. I told her I couldn't do it. I kept wondering if it was some sort of scam or if she'd follow me to my car or want personal info from me, etc. I also thought that was a lot to ask of one person - a stranger - to buy the whole basket of food.
She walked away.
After about 5 minutes of feeling super guilty, I went to find her so I could buy her groceries for her but couldn't find her. It's a fairly small store. I looked, but she just wasn't there. IDK if she found someone to buy her groceries or if she just left the store or what. Or maybe she actually had the money and went ahead and paid for her own groceries.

All the way home I kept feeling so guilty for not buying her groceries. She looked so desperate in her eyes. What if her kids go hungry tonight?

This is the first time I've ever had someone approach me in a store asking me to buy their groceries - ever.
Has this happened to any of you?
Do you buy them?
I've grown pretty calloused about the people on street corners begging for money, but this was different.
I feel so bad about this.  ::cryingtears::

Maybe the store saw her asking you and chased her out after you left?

If they allow such things they will eventually lose repeat business from those not wanting to run into her or people like her in the future.

In any event, it does sound like a scam.
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