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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Reformer on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 20:52:33 »
MORE ON MELCHIZEDEK:

    “For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him...He is first by translation of his name, the king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem—that is, king of peace. He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever” [Heb. 7:1-3].

    In these respects he was likened to Jesus Christ—who, as to his Godhead, had neither father nor mother, beginning of time nor end of days, and has an everlasting priesthood, just as our Lord and Savior has. This is evidence enough he was not appointed according  to the carnal commandment under Moses. Simply stated, his High Priesthood resembles Jesus our High Priest.

    It is noteworthy that “King of righteousness” is the meaning of “Melchizedek.” Jesus, of course, is called “King of righteousness” as well. It seems the word may not be the name, but instead a title.

    I am not of the opinion, as 3 Resurrections is, that Melchizedek was/is Enoch. I do not see anything 3 Resurrections has presented that even comes close to Melchizedek being Enoch.

    I will close these remarks by sharing a possibility with you. That possibility—or probability—is that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ Himself who appeared to Abraham. The earmarks are identical.

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End Times Forum / Re: What is the Mark of the Beast.
« Last post by Hobie on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 20:36:11 »
Now we look at the first part of Revelation...

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to shew His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John, who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein; for the time is at hand." Revelation 1:1-3

The word "Revelation" or "Apocalypse" means to reveal and the book of Revelation is meant to reveal vital issues to the New Testament Church and the end-time church in particular.

The notion that the book of Revelation is a sealed book or one not intended for man to understand goes against that. Moreover, it must be understood the book is written "to show His servants" those things which they needed to know in order to come to terms with events as they would unfold. To understand the book of Revelation therefore requires an intimate knowledge of God and His word as well as the promised guidance by the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit was promised to those who obey God  and He would lead God's people into all truth.
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come"John 16:13.

Now we have the verses that refer to the mark of the beast and also characteristics:

"16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:16-17.

"9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14:9-12.

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Revelation 15:2.

"And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2.

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Revelation 19:20.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4.

So both the Beast and its Image are worshiped.
Notice how many times worship is mentioned in connection with the Mark of the Beast, so we see it has importance.

We glorify and worship God in following his commandments and specifically worship is embodied in the forth. So Gods seal of authority are his commandments or law, the Mark of the Beast shows his authority with false laws and times he has changed, the verses also make clear he is worshiped and that those who follow him will receive his mark.

Now, not only are Gods seal of authority, the commandments, set aside but then they go the next step and to justify ignoring the Gods truths destroy the Sabbath. They say the Law is done away with and Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath, and that since Jesus Christ rose from the dead on Sunday, Christians have set aside Sunday as a day of rest and worship in honor of the resurrection. Yet none of that is scriptural or from Christ or the Apostles, but from 'tradition' of the Beast.

The Beast is clearly identified as political and religious power who will have a SIGN; an identifying label, a MARK, which it will seek to impose on all who will submit to its will. It will not be a "secret" sign, or mark, but has to be obvious, outward, easily recognized sign, which the whole system wears to show its allegiance!

The "little horn" of Daniel 7:8, which "has a mouth speaking great things," and which will "think to change TIMES and LAWS" is the key so you must look down through the centuries, to see what has changed Gods commandments! Have God's laws been changed; has anyone said to worship man in the place of God, or made and worshiped idols even though God says not to, or taken Gods name and blasphemed it, or abolished His divinely appointed Sabbath and replaced his holy days with pagan festivals. We can find and connect all the changes or introduction of false "times" such as the worship of festivals that are not scriptural or from God but from another source.

Listen to what God says in Amos 5:21-27, "I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. 22 Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. 23 Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. 24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. 25 Did you offer Me sacrifices and offerings In the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26 You also carried Sikkuth your king And Chiun, your idols, The star of your gods, Which you made for yourselves. 27 Therefore I will send you into captivity beyond Damascus, Says the Lord, whose name is the God of hosts." Amos 5:21-27.

If you do a study on 'Sikkuth' and 'Chiun'. They are Molech and Ishtar, and Israel was warned about worshiping these Babylonian gods of the false eastern pagan religions. Thus we can see the festival days of paganism creeping in and being substituted for what God had given them to celebrate and worship Him........

The introduction of Pagan holidays into the church began about the fourth century A.D. when the Roman Emperor Constantine, in order to consolidate his rule, incorporated the Pagan holidays and festivals into the church ritual, attracting the Pagans, but he gave the holidays and festivals new "Christian" names and identities and Easter was one of the foremost. In order to introduce the feast of Easter into the calendar, the dates were changed by Dionysius, so that Easter was celebrated a month later than the original Jewish Pasch feast. This was to bring it in line with the ancient eastern festival dates for this feast, and the new date for Easter was then introduced by force. On this day, the ancients lit fires and baked cakes to the queen of heaven with the ancient pagan religions. Ancient Israel was constantly warned against these pagan day from the ancient Babylonian religion.
In Jeremiah 7:18, we read:
The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough to make cakes to the queen of heaven; and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.

The ecclesiastical historian, Socrates, attributes the introduction of the festival of Easter into the church to the perpetuation of an old usage, 'just as many other customs have been established.' (Hist. Eccl. V. 22)

So we see why this entity is associated with changing the "Times and Laws" of God and its close association with Sun worship; and the evidence in history to the change of God's weekly Sabbaths for Sunday,  (Dies Solis) the day of the sun. Basically putting the pagan festivals on unsuspecting believers, with holidays of another origin, not of God.

It will rise up at the end and war againts the saints, for observing Gods laws or his seal of authority. The Mark of the Beast will be its false edicts which will be backed up by force, enforcing the changing of "times and laws", and people will have to choose either to follow God or follow the Beast and take on its Mark.
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End Times Forum / Re: What is the Mark of the Beast.
« Last post by Hobie on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 20:05:00 »
Lets look at the sign or seal more closely and see what we find..
Look in Ezekial 9:4 "and the Lord said to him, 'Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it."

We see a mark is put on the forehead on those who morn over the evil being done.

The following are verses that refer to a seal of God.

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." John 6:27.

"Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." .

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13 .

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30.

Note that the previous verses seem to indicate a spiritual seal, not a physical seal. The following verses seem to be more of a physical seal

"2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." Revelation 7::2-3.

"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." Revelation 9:4

The seal of a king gives his name, shows or declares his claim to authority, and thirdly, the region of his rule. Henry VIII, King of Britain, Wales and Scotland for example. How is the seal used or what is the purpose of a King's seal:

"15 Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
16 Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
17 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel."Dan 6:15-17.

So the seal of the King is a statement that his decree is not to be changed, and not to be changed by anyone.

"And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:" Romans 4:11.

Here we see that the sign of circumcision is also a seal of righteousness, even unto them in which it is imputed though they not be circumcised. A sign and a seal are synonymous, basically the same. Now this verse is very clear..

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." 2 Timothy 2:19.

To depart from iniquity is to keep God's law. The people of God, those who call on the name of Christ, are sealed with His law. And we see even more on this..

"Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." Ezekial 20:12.

"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Ezek 20:20.

So the law seals you and the sabbath is a sign of God, or His seal, representing His authority as Creator. So you can see where this is going, God shows his seal of his authority in his commandments especially with the declaration of his name, his claim to authority, and the region of his rule in the following.

"8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11

Notice that we can find the seal of God in verse 11.
The name given: the Lord
His title: Creator
His domain: heaven and earth to include all inhabitants

God has His seal and no one can change it.
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End Times Forum / Re: What is the Mark of the Beast.
« Last post by Hobie on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 19:45:55 »
We look at Revelation 14:9-11...
"9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Revelation 14:9-11.

In Revelation 14: 9-11, the Bible describes the terrible fate of those who receive the Mark of the Beast. We find in contrast, Revelation 14: 12 which describes those who stand victorious with Jesus on Mount Zion:
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Revelation 14: 12.

Now lets look at Revelation 7:1-3
"1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."  Revelation 7:1-3.

So we see in Revelation 7: 1-3 an angel ascends from the east with the seal of the living God. This angel comes down from heaven and puts a seal on people's foreheads. Two classes are represented: Those who receive the mark of the beast and eventually receive the plagues. And those who keep the commandments of God, who are sealed by the angel, and do not receive the plagues.

The Sabbath appears in the heart of the Ten Commandments. It was given by the Creator as a sign or seal of His authority. It identifies Him by name, “The LORD your God”. It identifies the realm over which He has jurisdiction, “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them”. It also identifies the basis of His authority, “for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, . . . and rested the seventh day”. It is the seal of God which now at the end will be on Gods people. as
we see the Bible teaches that the final issue will be over the seal of God as opposed to the mark of the beast.

Now the Roman Catholic Church clearly claims it has the authority to change the Sabbath...
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things". ---Letter to Cardinal Gibbons, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas.

The Mark of the Beast is his seal of authority, and that would be "a rule or order that it is obligatory to observe" which he has passed. This would include the Sabbath along with all the other changes he has made that he claims he has the authority to do so.

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:" Daniel 7:25.
We find this in the Catholics claims..
"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.
The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." ---Lucius Ferraris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop, 1755.

So it is a change of Gods seal of authority which are his laws which have been with us since creation and were written out on the tablets of stone, by the Beast with false laws or rules of divine observance that are his seal of authority. We are charged to follow Gods truth not traditions or doctrines of men, and his commandments stand as Jesus said:

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Fathers commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10
We see the warning for us..

"And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words: . . . beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." Col. 2:4-8.

"Let no man beguile you of your reward. . .  Why as though living in the world, are you subject to ordinances . . . after the commandments and doctrines of men?" Col. 2:18-22.

Here is a good explanation by Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D.:
"...Throughout the centuries Christians have speculated about the meaning of "the Mark of the Beast" and "the Number "666" of the Beast" mentioned in Revelation 13. Today the interest continues unabated for this apocalyptic endtime Antichrist who will control the economic, political, and social life of mankind by placing a mark and a number upon people....

...The key passage that has been the object of endless speculations, is Revelation 13:16-18. The reason is that this passage speaks of the mark, the name, and the number of the beast that will be placed on the right hand and forehead of people: "[The Beast] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six" (Rev 13:16-18). In this prophecy we are told the endtime generation will receive the mark of the beast. We are told that the mark of the beast is the name of the beast, and the name of the beast is its number 666. In other words, the mark, the name, and the number 666 of the beast are essentially the same.

Our Adventist church has shown courage in recent years by rejecting the traditional numeric interpretation of the number 666, proposing instead a symbolic interpretation based on several possible meanings of the number 6, such as "humans separated from God," and the human refusal to proceed to seven, to give glory to God and find rest in Him. If the symbol for truth is seven, six stands for the false worship promoted by the Beast.

At this point the challenge is to build upon our newly accepted symbolic interpretation by taking a fresh look at the unity that exists among the MARK, the NAME, and the NUMBER of the Beast. Revelation 13:17 clearly indicates that the three are essentially the same, sharing the same meaning: "... the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name" (v. 17; NIV).

By recognizing that the Mark of the Beast and the Number of the Beast are essentially the same, we can hardly still limit the Mark of the Beast to the enforcement of Sunday observance. The time has come to look for a broader application of the endtime promotion of false worship.

A careful study of how the two beasts of Revelation 13 will join together to force the false worship of God upon "all the inhabitants of the earth" (v. 8), challenges us to explore afresh how Satan is accomplishing his purpose today.

Such a study can broaden our horizon by leading us to recognize, for example, that there is more to MARK OF THE BEAST than the enforcement of Sunday observance..... It is a known fact that in Western Europe less than 10% of Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) attend church on Sunday. For the vast majority of Christians Sunday has become the day to seek for pleasure and profit, rather than for the presence and peace of God.

The issue today is no longer: Which day do Christian observe? But, Do they observe any day at all? By their lifestyle most Christians show that they are not interested in a HOLY DAY, whether it be Saturday or Sunday, but in HOLIDAYS. This can help us understand why the Sabbath is going to be such a controversial, testing truth in the final showdown, simply because it summons people to give priority to God by consecrating their time to Him on the seventh-day. And people are very touchy about their time. They want to spend their time seeking for pleasure and profit, not for the presence and peace of God in their lives.

The endtime showdown is not about names or numbers per se, that is, Sunday versus Sabbath, First Day versus Seventh-day, but about what these two days represent: Self-centered worship versus God-centered worship. It is within this context that THE MARK AND NUMBER OF THE BEAST must be understood.

...this study examines the sharp contrast between the seal of God and the mark of the beast. Their basic function is to symbolize a religious commitment: one to Christ and the other to the antichrist. Both the seal and the mark embody the inherent motifs of ownership and protection .... Both are religious signs of loyalty. This is signified by their placement "on the foreheads" - the place of mental assent - and "on the hand" - the place of external conformity....."
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by Jaime on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 16:07:48 »
That’s the entire issue with the derilict son of Corn Pops enemy. Hunter’s only value to anyone or any company, or country was in buying influence with his corrupt father, the Big Guy. Hunter has zero skills or experience especially in the natural gas bisiness and especially as a board member in that business.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 15:28:06 »
If Corn Pop's enemy took the files to enrich himself, and as suggested, Hunter used some of the classified data in an email to Burisma, then it wasn't harmless.
You... have a point.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 15:27:30 »
It's a violation of the law and still requires action.  The law-breaking part doesn't become null because no harm was caused."
You're THAT guy, I see.
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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by 3 Resurrections on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 14:55:07 »
For both TC and Jarrod, it takes mental gymnastics on your part to turn all these verses into a contradiction of scriptures, which is what you are both doing.  All these verses MUST reconcile, because the scriptures cannot be broken.  Enoch CANNOT have either ascended or been taken to God's presence in heaven at the very least until Christ had ascended in His glorified body to become the "First-begotten" one to stand in God's presence in a glorified body. 

The representative role of the "Great High Priest" had to first be established by Christ before any other glorified bodies of mankind could stand face-to-face with their Creator in a perfected body.  With respect to Christ's representative role, Enoch's unique translated body was no different in its glorified state than any other saint who was bodily-resurrected into this glorified state.  In other words, neither the translated Enoch nor any other glorified body of any saint could enter God's presence until Christ's imputed righteousness could provide a covering for them and render them "accepted in the beloved".

And from what I am reading from 1 Enoch, I don't see that he was granted a physical, bodily "tour" of the heavens, except in a vision, such as John had for his apocalypse.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: The Biden Files
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 08:45:47 »
If Corn Pop's enemy took the files to enrich himself, and as suggested, Hunter used some of the classified data in an email to Burisma, then it wasn't harmless. 
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Theology Forum / Re: Melchizidec
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Wed Jan 25, 2023 - 08:44:50 »
Enoch didn't ascend.  He was taken.  You are making all of this much harder than it is.

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