There are only two animals in Daniel 8 that represent two named kingdoms.
There are only two named kingdoms in Daniel 8 and neither of them are referred to as ‘Rome’ or the ‘Roman empire’.
You must have a different Bible than the Christian Bible.
Wrong. There are three kingdoms or powers depicted in Dan. 8, each exceeding the power and greatness of the one preceding them. Only two of them are depicted as animals, the third is not, which corrolates to the fourth beast of Dan. 7. It also is not described as an existing animal though the previous three are. Which prophecy also speaks of a little horn tying it to the third power of Dan 8 as well.Dan 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. 7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
We have the same bibles, you just don't want there to be a third power or kingdom. So be it. Perhaps the following can help. CHAP. 3 THE PRIESTHOOD1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
According to the Apostle Peter, those who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, are a royal and holy priesthood. Each member of the body of Christ is an ambassador for Christ. Using whatever gifts of the Spirit that God gives them to bring people to a knowledge of God by introducing them to His Son, who is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15).
Unlike the priests of the old covenant who stood as a type of Christ, mediating if you will between humanity and God, new covenant believers introduce the world to the one and only true mediator between man and God. The literal priesthood of the old covenant has been abolished by Christ in favor of the spiritual priesthood of the new covenant.
The old covenant believer was dependent upon a literal human being and place to receive forgiveness of sins. The new covenant believer however, after being introduced to the Lord Jesus Christ our High Priest who ever liveth to intercede for us, can receive forgiveness for sins at any time and in any place ( Jn 4: 19-24).
The new covenant believer has no need for a human go between, but has been given direct access to the throne of God in and through the ministration of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Each believer may now come boldly before the throne of God with their prayers and confessions, entreating the mercies of our loving God. This is among the most precious promises of the new testament scriptures.Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
The Lord Jesus Christ came to earth and became one of us, so that we could each have a close and personal relationship with Him and his Father in heaven. The Devil has ever sought to separate humanity from God. With the cooperation of our first parents he succeeded in the garden. Ever since, God has been seeking to bring us back, and Satan has been seeking to keep us apart. Jesus came to draw all humanity to the Father. Through His intercession humanity has been given the opportunity of a direct personal relationship with the Father, which none can hinder save ourselves. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
As is the habit of the church of Rome, putting the literal, in the place of the spiritual, she has destroyed the intimacy which God intended between Himself and his followers. The church of Rome has established a literal priesthood upon which her people are dependent for the forgiveness of their sins. Her adherents are required to confess their sins to their priest that he might grant them God's forgiveness. Again, the church of Rome separates its adherents from God by substituting Christ’s Priestly ministry with its own literal one. This again also, establishes itself in a position of authority over all who accept her dogmas. What can be more intimate than asking for, and receiving forgiveness from a loved one? Even this is denied those who accept the intercession of Rome. Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Why would anyone who has direct access to the throne of God, and an invitation from God himself to go there whenever they need to, seek intercession from another sinful and fallible human being. Jesus Christ is our High Priest. By His blood we may all enter in through the veil into the holiest, where Christ ever liveth to make intercession for us. This was accomplished through his flesh, verse 20. His flesh was our flesh, He became one of us, so we could enter into the holiest and have direct access to the throne of God. We no longer need anyone between us and God the Father. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Him (Joh 14:6)
. He presented his body a living sacrifice unto God that we might be able to follow in his footsteps, because His body was our body, and His flesh was our flesh.
The primary role of the priesthood during the old covenant was to officiate the sacrifice. This role has been taken from humanity and established by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the true Sacrifice. The sacrifice of the new covenant believer is clearly pointed out by the Apostle Paul.Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Christ has prepared the way, that we may give our own selves as living and holy sacrifices unto God. This is our spiritual service of worship in the new covenant. These things Christ has accomplished by becoming one of us. Now, what person can officiate between the individual and God, when all have been given the power to present themselves directly to God as a living and holy sacrifice. This is what has been granted to all through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He has established a close and personal relationship with God for each and every individual who cares to accept such. There is no need for the priesthood of the church of Rome or any other than that of Christ Himself. The priesthood of the new covenant on earth is Christ’s church or body as Peter whom the Church of Rome contends was their first Pope, has taught. The ministry of which is to introduce all to Jesus Christ our High Priest through whom we all have access to the Father (Heb 8:1&2, Eph 2:11-22)
.Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likenessof his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
If by faith, I have died with Christ, I am freed from my sin. I personally have been empowered to do this thing by faith, and so has anyone else who cares to accept it. How says the church of Rome that I need a priest, that is, another sinful human being to officiate between God and I? Why would the church of Rome nullify the grace of God? Why does she wish to take this gift away from humanity, which was given at such infinite cost? The answer is clear, she seeks power over the world that has not been granted her from God. She seeks to be in the place of God. This is the original sin of Satan himself (Isa. 14: 12-15)
. These things will be discussed in greater detail, in following chapters.
The setting up of a literal priesthood by the church of Rome, separates those who believe her from their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the true High Priest of the new covenant. As always, it establishes her in a position of authority between man and God over all that submit to her usurped authority. This is the true nature of the church of Rome. Her dogmas serve the purpose of separating humanity from their God, and only hope of salvation. All this she does, while claiming to be the one and only original church of Christ on earth. She is the church which Satan himself has set up to supplant the true church of Christ, and separate humanity from their God. CHAP. 4 THE MAN OF SINII Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Before the Lord returns, the man of sin will be revealed. This man of sin sits himself in the temple of God, claiming the power and authority of God. Where is this temple of God, that the man of sin sits in? The sanctuary, or temple of the new covenant is found in one of two places. There is the sanctuary or temple in heaven where Christ now intercedes for us before His Father, and there is also the new covenant sanctuary or temple that is established in Christ's followers. The Church or body of Christ, both in its individual members and as a corporate entity, is considered the temple of God. So, the man of sin must try to set himself up in at least one, if not both of these places. It is by doing this, that he reveals himself for what he is. Notice the following.Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
1 Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
As has already been discussed in the previous chapter, the church of Rome has established a literal earthly priesthood, where her adherents go to seek the forgiveness of their sins. By doing so she has put herself in the place of God, that is to say, in the temple of God. It is the very ministry of Christ on behalf of his own in the heavenly sanctuary, that has been replaced by the church of Rome with mere men here on earth. At their head is the one man who claims to be in the place of Christ here on earth, and who supposedly gives the power to forgive sins to these other men that serve him. This man is the Pope, and he is verily the man of sin.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the personal leader of the individual believer, and the corporate body of his church. The Lord Jesus Christ himself personally intercedes on behalf of the believer, and at the believers request for the forgiveness of our sins. It is the Lord Jesus Christ also who personally imparts His Holy Spirit to the believer, that Christ may dwell within them, receiving the spiritual body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. These ministries are performed by Christ personally on behalf of the believer from the heavenly sanctuary or temple where Christ now resides. It is these very ministries that the Church of Rome has tried to replace with the confession to earthly priests, transubstantiation of their Communion, and the exaltation of the Pope of Rome as the universal head of the church. By doing such, the Pope of the Church of Rome, has set himslef up in the temple of God as though he was God. Since he claims the authority for himself and his church to perform the ministries which God alone can perform in and through his Son Jesus Christ who is God, " he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Let us examine some more prophetic scriptures in regard to the topic at hand.Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
That the above prophecy is in reference to Rome, and more specifically the church of Rome, can be easily deduced by an examination of Daniel chapter 8. There are three earthly powers, or kingdoms that the prophecies of Daniel 8 address. One is represented by the ram, the next by the goat, and the last by the little horn coming out of one of the four horns of the goat. Verses twenty and twenty one tell us that the ram is a symbol of the Medo-Persian empire, and the goat is a symbol of the Grecian, or Greek empire. Rome was the next major kingdom or power to emerge in historical succession after the Grecian empire. Certain aspects of the above prophecy have been fulfilled by pagan and or papal Rome, and are in direct reference to the things which we have been discussing.
Verse eleven points out that this power magnifies itself even to the prince of the host. This prince of the host is referred to in verse twenty five as the Prince of princes, and is no doubt a reference to the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Further examination will only strengthen this point. Verse eleven goes on to say that the daily sacrifice was taken away by this power, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. The daily sacrifice in the earthly sanctuary of the Jews was all about the forgiveness of their sins. However, the place of this sanctuary was cast down. Since verse eleven begins with a clear reference to Christ, we will assume that the sanctuary referred to is none other than the heavenly sanctuary which Christ himself is the priest of. As has already been pointed out, the church of Rome has attempted to replace Christ's intercession for his people by setting up an earthly priesthood to supplant the heavenly priesthood of the living Christ. In this way she has taken away the daily sacrifice of the new covenant. This is also why the sanctuary is said to be cast down. The sanctuary of the new covenant being in heaven, it was literally cast down by the church of Rome attempting to remove its ministry from heaven and replace here on earth through themselves. Of course this was to establish themselves in a position of power, God's power.
Verse twelve points out that a host was given him against the daily sacrifice. This is true in as much as the church of Rome became the established religion of the Roman empire. All the subjects of Rome having become members of the church of Rome, and therefore the subjects of this earthly and apostate priesthood which she had set up. Verse twelve also points out that the truth was cast down to the ground, and as a result the church of Rome, practiced, and prospered. The truth that was cast down to the ground was the very truth that we are discussing. By replacing this truth with their own earthly priesthood, and gaining so many followers through the power of the state, the church of Rome practiced and prospered.
Verse fourteen points out that these lies and deceptions regarding the sanctuary, will end or be exposed after the 2300 days with the cleansing of the sanctuary. At the end of this period, the sanctuary shall be cleansed and the truth of Christ’s High Priestly ministry would be revived and exalted. It is not the intention of the writer to thoroughly address the 2300 day prophecy accepting in respect to the casting down of the truth to the ground. There are already many books written on this subject which the reader should study for themselves. The Seventh Day Adventist church contends that the 2300 day prophecy ended in 1844. At this time the sanctuary in heaven was to be cleansed, signifying the judgment of all before the return of Christ. Unquestionably, since 1844 the prophecy of the 2300 days has been brought to the forefront by many, and shortly thereafter the Seventh Day Adventist church has been proclaiming a message to the world regarding the truths of the heavenly sanctuary. This message clearly points out that Christ is our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. To be sure then, this truth that was cast down to the ground by the church of Rome, has been revived by the Seventh Day Adventist’s and their forerunners since the year 1844. Although Protestant reformers knew about Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, no denomination has brought it to the forefront in all the world as the SDA church has. The writer believes this to be a direct fulfillment of the prophecy at hand concerning the casting down of the truth to the ground.Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
When the Jews fulfilled the seventy weeks determined upon them during the 2300 day prophecy in rejecting their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, their house (temple) was left unto them desolate as our Lord proclaimed. They rejected the intercession of the only High Priest that could truly save them, in favor of the priesthood which was only a type of Him in whom all the fulness of God dwelt. The earthly temple was destroyed not long after this rejection by the armies of pagan Rome.Lk 13:31The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. 33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! 35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
When certain “Christians” apostatized to the point of replacing Jesus Christ as the High Priest of this new covenant era, they likewise rejected the intercession of their Lord and Savior. They accepted the false priesthood of the Pope and his priests over Christ and His true church. Their spiritual house (temple) was left unto them desolate. The Spirit of God was removed from them, which they replaced with the power of the state. The convicting power of the Holy Spirit of God was replaced by the civil power of the state through coercion and force. All were declared “Christians” and commanded to submit to the Church of Rome. Thus the new covenant truth of Christ’s intercession as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary was cast down to the earth by the armies of papal Rome.