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Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« on: Sat Nov 09, 2019 - 06:51:24 »
Many Christians have been told that God never judges their works, that they go straight to heaven when they die as they are immortal. I have also come across Christians who say there is no day of judgment and reject the plain truth of scripture and worse, those who claim that the Commandants were done away with, and that even if not, Grace covers them anyway. But the Bible teaches that truth in the whole of Gods Word matters, and the Law is part of Gods character, and Grace is not a wholesale license to sin. But people just want to hear the easy path without even thinking about it, but there are consequences to that as Jesus made clear..

 Matthew 10:14-15
 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

 Matthew 13:41
 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

 God cares about everything His children do, and it matters...

 Matthew 12:36
 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

1 Peter 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

 God knows that Satan will come to temp them and He will protect them who are truly His children, but those who love sin will have to face Gods Judgment Day at the end...

 2 Peter 2:9
 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

 But the Judgment Day also applies to those who accept Christ and follow him...

 1 John 4:17
 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 Revelation 3:5
 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 So many who think Grace allows them to sin all they want, or the Commandments mean nothing, or pick only the parts of the Bible they want and reject the other, or pick up false ideas of Universalism or in "Once Saved, Always Saved", may be surprised at Judgment Day that their name is not in the Book of Life.

 Revelation 20:15
 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 Now if Christians are willfully ignoring or rejecting what God gives us in scripture and continue in sin and iniquity what will happen on Judgment Day?.
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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #1 on: Sat Nov 09, 2019 - 10:24:17 »
The only ones who are afraid of judgement day are those who do not believe in the blood of Christs COMPLETED ATONEMENT. 



Many Christians have been told that God never judges their works, that they go straight to heaven when they die as they are immortal. I have also come across Christians who say there is no day of judgment and reject the plain truth of scripture and worse, those who claim that the Commandants were done away with, and that even if not, Grace covers them anyway. But the Bible teaches that truth in the whole of Gods Word matters, and the Law is part of Gods character, and Grace is not a wholesale license to sin. But people just want to hear the easy path without even thinking about it, but there are consequences to that as Jesus made clear..

 Matthew 10:14-15
 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

 Matthew 13:41
 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

 God cares about everything His children do, and it matters...

 Matthew 12:36
 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

1 Peter 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

 God knows that Satan will come to temp them and He will protect them who are truly His children, but those who love sin will have to face Gods Judgment Day at the end...

 2 Peter 2:9
 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

 But the Judgment Day also applies to those who accept Christ and follow him...

 1 John 4:17
 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 Revelation 3:5
 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 So many who think Grace allows them to sin all they want, or the Commandments mean nothing, or pick only the parts of the Bible they want and reject the other, or pick up false ideas of Universalism or in "Once Saved, Always Saved", may be surprised at Judgment Day that their name is not in the Book of Life.

 Revelation 20:15
 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 Now if Christians are willfully ignoring or rejecting what God gives us in scripture and continue in sin and iniquity what will happen on Judgment Day?.

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #2 on: Sat Nov 09, 2019 - 10:36:26 »
The only ones who are afraid of judgement day are those who do not believe in the blood of Christs COMPLETED ATONEMENT.

I am concerned, not because I do not believe in the blood of Christ's complete atonement, but simply because

 Matthew 12:36
 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

There is no where in the bible that states no one will ever have to give an accounting.

The blood may cover you, but you are going to have to face up to what you have done

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #3 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 05:51:43 »
I am concerned, not because I do not believe in the blood of Christ's complete atonement, but simply because

 Matthew 12:36
 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

There is no where in the bible that states no one will ever have to give an accounting.

The blood may cover you, but you are going to have to face up to what you have done

seekingHiswisdom, it is true that all shall give an accounting of what they have done, whether good or bad.  But that accounting is not the deciding factor of the destination of heaven or hell.  That judgment occurs at the second coming of Jesus and after the resurrection whereas eternal life or eternal condemnation is established by our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior before our death and before the resurrection .

Your concern is misplaced. It comes, I believe, from a misunderstanding of what is truly meant by being forgiven.  To be forgiven, to be justified, is not some on-again-off-again condition based upon the last sin committed.  It is a state of being for the believer.

That misunderstanding leads to a feeling of despair; a feeling of always-hoping-never-sure.  I witnessed that fear in my own mother at her death bed.  It was a feeling that I was faced with also.  It wasn't until some years later that I really began to understand the meaning of the justification we have as believers. Rather than the false hope of the always-hoping-never-sure we must hold on to the promise and surety of simply-trusting-fully-forgiven.

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #4 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 06:47:50 »
seekingHiswisdom, it is true that all shall give an accounting of what they have done, whether good or bad.  But that accounting is not the deciding factor of the destination of heaven or hell.  That judgment occurs at the second coming of Jesus and after the resurrection whereas eternal life or eternal condemnation is established by our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior before our death and before the resurrection .

Your concern is misplaced. It comes, I believe, from a misunderstanding of what is truly meant by being forgiven.  To be forgiven, to be justified, is not some on-again-off-again condition based upon the last sin committed.  It is a state of being for the believer.

That misunderstanding leads to a feeling of despair; a feeling of always-hoping-never-sure.  I witnessed that fear in my own mother at her death bed.  It was a feeling that I was faced with also.  It wasn't until some years later that I really began to understand the meaning of the justification we have as believers. Rather than the false hope of the always-hoping-never-sure we must hold on to the promise and surety of simply-trusting-fully-forgiven.

Sorry, I was not clear.

No, it is not that I believe that it is when we are giving our account the determines our destination... it is
for me... the sheer embarrassment of my accounting of my idle words.

And fear that I did manage to blow it, somehow,  with out truly knowing it.

OR the biggie. Knowing that what I believe I do so earnestly and is within my every waking breath and molecule of my being... yet what if I am wrong?

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #5 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 09:02:19 »
Sorry, I was not clear.

No, it is not that I believe that it is when we are giving our account the determines our destination... it is
for me... the sheer embarrassment of my accounting of my idle words.

And fear that I did manage to blow it, somehow,  with out truly knowing it.

OR the biggie. Knowing that what I believe I do so earnestly and is within my every waking breath and molecule of my being... yet what if I am wrong?

The saved will not have to give an account of their sins and short comings. Those who have been washed in the blood, have no record filed against them. Such has been wiped clean by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. This argument is like most others. There is a ditch on both sides of the issue. Living in constant fear of judgment demonstrates a lack of faith, while over confidence in personal salvation before our Holy God can lead to self righteous attitudes and deception akin to that of the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus day. As unbalanced sinners we tend to lean one way or the other. Thus the scriptures address the solution to the problem from both angles.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


The penitent sinner before God will be justified, the proud "saint" who thinks themselves above such will be condemned.

Luk 18:9  And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Those who will not humble themselves before God and submit to His trustworthy authority will be condemned regardless of the confidence of their personal profession. God will determine all such things. Humanity may boast to each other about such, but when all stand before God there will be fearful silence, and He will proclaim the truth.




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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #6 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 13:38:55 »
The saved will not have to give an account of their sins and short comings.
2Co_5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #7 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 18:14:35 »
seekingHiswisdom, it is true that all shall give an accounting of what they have done, whether good or bad.  But that accounting is not the deciding factor of the destination of heaven or hell.  That judgment occurs at the second coming of Jesus and after the resurrection whereas eternal life or eternal condemnation is established by our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior before our death and before the resurrection .

Your concern is misplaced. It comes, I believe, from a misunderstanding of what is truly meant by being forgiven.  To be forgiven, to be justified, is not some on-again-off-again condition based upon the last sin committed.  It is a state of being for the believer.

That misunderstanding leads to a feeling of despair; a feeling of always-hoping-never-sure.  I witnessed that fear in my own mother at her death bed.  It was a feeling that I was faced with also.  It wasn't until some years later that I really began to understand the meaning of the justification we have as believers. Rather than the false hope of the always-hoping-never-sure we must hold on to the promise and surety of simply-trusting-fully-forgiven.

These replies of yours are somewhat confusing.
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seekingHiswisdom, it is true that all shall give an accounting of what they have done, whether good or bad.  But that accounting is not the deciding factor of the destination of heaven or hell.  That judgment occurs at the second coming of Jesus and after the resurrection whereas eternal life or eternal condemnation is established by our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior before our death and before the resurrection .

Your concern is misplaced. It comes, I believe, from a misunderstanding of what is truly meant by being forgiven.  To be forgiven, to be justified, is not some on-again-off-again condition based upon the last sin committed.  It is a state of being for the believer.

That misunderstanding leads to a feeling of despair; a feeling of always-hoping-never-sure.  I witnessed that fear in my own mother at her death bed.  It was a feeling that I was faced with also.  It wasn't until some years later that I really began to understand the meaning of the justification we have as believers. Rather than the false hope of the always-hoping-never-sure we must hold on to the promise and surety of simply-trusting-fully-forgiven.

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2Co_5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

So are you saying that the appearance before the judgement seat of Christ comes before the accounting of our selves?

See the RED bolded parts in your quotes.

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #8 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 19:22:24 »
2Co_5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Receiving what is due, and giving an account, are two different things.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Jas 5:19  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Psa 103:11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. 13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.



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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #9 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 20:03:49 »
Receiving what is due, and giving an account, are two different things.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Jas 5:19  Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Psa 103:11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. 13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.


"Receiving what is due, and giving an account, are two different things."

Yes, that is apparent.

But you receive what is due AFTER giving an account?

Or, is it as 4WD says?

 "That judgment occurs at the second coming of Jesus and after the resurrection whereas eternal life or eternal condemnation is established by our faith in Jesus as our Lord and Savior before our death and before the resurrection ."

"But that accounting is not the deciding factor of the destination of heaven or hell."

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #10 on: Sun Nov 10, 2019 - 21:42:41 »
What ever it is - sda’s will do anything to stave off the dreaded Sunday laws that means the judgement is just around the corner and all the Christians will be getting out their guns to hunt them down for worshiping of saturday - the day of the Saturn god. 

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
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James 1:12 God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

2Cor9:
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Is there a judgement, of all who have accepted Jesus as the lamb slain, for the good deeds we have done in the name of our Savior?   Will the crowns we receive bear witness to that.  Jesus tells us in Jn 6:24 that we will not be judged because of our belief.   [/color]Jn5:[/font][/color]24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me[/font][/size] has eternal life[/size] and will not be judged[/size] but has crossed over from death to life.[/color]

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:34:36 »
What ever it is - sda’s will do anything to stave off the dreaded Sunday laws that means the judgement is just around the corner and all the Christians will be getting out their guns to hunt them down for worshiping of saturday - the day of the Saturn god.

I'm not a huge SDA fan, so I normally stay away from these threads. But are you really Calling the Christ's Sabbath "The day of the Saturn god"? In your religion, did Jesus observe ancient pagan festivals? Do you teach that the "Feasts of the Christ" in Lev. 23 are pagan High Days?

I think you should back up a little on that one. You are free to "despise His Sabbaths" as was common among religious men in the Law and Prophets, but to call them pagan, that's just plain false.




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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 10:59:40 »
Yes, Saturday is named after the god of the planet Saturn.  SDA’s say that Saturday is the sabbath and that Christians will hunt them down and kill them for keeping Saturday. 

Further more - there is no logical connection between saturday as the 7th day of the week in a pagan calendar and the 7th day of the 4th commandment. 

Furthermore - We are no longer under the first covenant that God made with the Children of Jacob/Israel at Sinai.  The Bible tells us that first covenant is taken away.   

Furthermore - the words of that first covenant are described in the Bible as being the words of the Ten Commandments. See Hebrews 9:18-21; Exodus 34:27-28 and Exodus 24:1-8. 


In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 8:13,10:9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews%208:13,10:9&version=KJV


I'm not a huge SDA fan, so I normally stay away from these threads. But are you really Calling the Christ's Sabbath "The day of the Saturn god"? In your religion, did Jesus observe ancient pagan festivals? Do you teach that the "Feasts of the Christ" in Lev. 23 are pagan High Days?

I think you should back up a little on that one. You are free to "despise His Sabbaths" as was common among religious men in the Law and Prophets, but to call them pagan, that's just plain false.

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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
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Yes, Saturday is named after the god of the planet Saturn.  SDA’s say that Saturday is the sabbath and that Christians will hunt them down and kill them for keeping Saturday.

The 7th day of the week is now and has always been known as the Biblical Sabbath throughout history. You may make the case that God changed it to the first day of the week, but the Biblical truth is that God's Holy Sabbath was created by God and on the 7th day. There is no Biblical evidence that God did this in honor of the god of the planet Saturn. If you can find any reference to God creating His Sabbath in honor of the Saturn God, please provide it. If you are just making stuff up, then you are doing what you are accusing SDA of doing.
 
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Further more - there is no logical connection between saturday as the 7th day of the week in a pagan calendar and the 7th day of the 4th commandment. 

I'm not sure I trust your logic. But if you were to read the Bible, you would see that the Christ, the creator of all things, created the heavens and earth, created time, and also created the 7 day week. The 7th day He created Holy and placed the commandment to honor it among His other Commandments, along with Love God, Love your neighbor as yourself, don't kill, don't vex the stranger, etc. You may make the case that God didn't have the foresight to allow His people to know what day the 7th day is even though He said to keep it Holy. But according to the God of the Bible, His Sabbath is the 7th day.

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Furthermore - We are no longer under the first covenant that God made with the Children of Jacob/Israel at Sinai.  The Bible tells us that first covenant is taken away.   

The Bible says the covenant that was changed was the Levitical Priesthood that the Christ "ADDED" to His Commandments 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws. At least according to the scriptures. (Gal. 3:19)

Heb. 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Until the Christ came, men were to go find a Levite Priest to perform "works" for atonement of sins. This Law, that Paul said was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, had become obsolete because the Prophesied "High Priest" had come to earth as the scriptures promised. The Christ promised to perform the "Priestly" duties that He had given the Levites on Mt. Sinai.

Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests to minister God's Word to the people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

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Furthermore - the words of that first covenant are described in the Bible as being the words of the Ten Commandments. See Hebrews 9:18-21; Exodus 34:27-28 and Exodus 24:1-8.


No it wasn't. You are making that up.

Heb. 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

This had nothing to do with God's Laws, commandments and statutes that Abraham obeyed, it was speaking about the atonement Laws the Christ Added 430 years after Abraham obeyed.

Ex. 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

These are the Commandments the Christ promised to write on His Peoples heart in the new Covenant. He didn't abolish them, they didn't grow obsolete, they are just rejected and despised by the religious men of the world. But in the New Covenant, we are not forced to listen to self righteous corrupters of the Christ's Laws, who teach for doctrines the commandments of Men, because we all will have direct access to God's Word. No more relying on man's Word for Spiritual Truth.

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In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
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Absolutely. Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Now we have a new Priesthood, and everlasting Priesthood in which the Christ will write His Laws on the hearts of those who deny themselves and follow Him. No more Levite Priests, no more Sacrificial "works of the Law" for the remission of sins.

Ex. 24: 5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD.

6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.


This is the Covenant that became obsolete, not "Thou shall Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and the other just like it, "thou shall Love they neighbor as thyself," and the Law and Prophets that hangs on them. Jesus said the Law and Prophets would be here as long as heaven and earth are here. They are still here.

I think you should beware of all the religious influence out there, you may have been led astray by them.





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Re: Why are Christians afraid of Judgment Day?
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James 1:12 God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

2Cor9:
24 [/color]
[/font]Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. [/size]25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last for ever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Is there a judgement, of all who have accepted Jesus as the lamb slain, for the good deeds we have done in the name of our Savior?   Will the crowns we receive bear witness to that.  Jesus tells us in Jn 6:24 that we will not be judged because of our belief.   [/color]Jn5:[/font][/color]24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me[/font][/size] has eternal life[/size] and will not be judged[/size] but has crossed over from death to life.[/color]

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:24 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

24 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the person whose ears are open to My words [who listens to My message] and believes and trusts in and clings to and relies on Him Who sent Me has (possesses now) eternal life. And he does not come into judgment [does not incur sentence of judgment, will not come under condemnation], but he has already passed over out of death into life.

John 5:24 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

24 [a]Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death to life