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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #105 on: Thu May 16, 2019 - 20:21:54 »
I can get that if you steal something but give it back it could be considered "reversed" in a way.  Lying, not necessarily.

Ultimately though apart from the blood of Christ, no sin can be undone.

Well, we're talking about repentance here. If repentance from sin by the child of God doesn't make available Christ's blood toward the sin, then I guess nothing will. ::shrug::  I can understand if we are speaking strictly about the non-Christian, where we should talk about baptism unto forgiveness of sins, but still repentance has a place in that.

Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure my point in the post is understood.

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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #106 on: Thu May 16, 2019 - 20:54:06 »
I misspoke about sins being “undone”. You can’t un-lie, but you can have Godly sorrow and STOP lying. You can’t un-murder someone, but you can have Godly sorrow STOP murdering. You can’t un-see pornography, but you can have Godly sorrow and stop the destructive habit. What does Godly sorrow about some divorce/remarriage situation result in as to repentance since Godly sorrow and repentance are not the same thing, right? I am NOT lumping all divorce situations or participants into the same basket.
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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #107 on: Thu May 16, 2019 - 21:39:29 »
I misspoke about sins being “undone”. You can’t un-lie, but you can have Godly aorrow and STOP lying. You can’t un-murder someone, but you can have Godly sorrow STOP murdering. What does Godly sorrow about some divorce/remarriage situation result in as to repentance since Godly sort row and repentance are not the same thing, right? I am NOT lumping all divorce situations or participants into the same basket.

I guess I ought to clarify my thoughts.

What I mean by reversing or undoing a sin, I mean going back to those wronged and confessing it and doing the opposite. If you lied to somebody, go back and tell the truth on the matter you lied about. If you stole from somebody, give it back, etc. On the other hand, you can't unmurder somebody, nor can you remarry your former spouse if you or your former spouse are remarried to someone else.

As for godly sorrow and repentance with regard to a divorce and remarriage situation, well, like I posted just earlier, ...repentance would be the decision to turn from such acts and recommitting oneself to God in truth and godliness. Inasmuch as godly sorrow leads to repentance, the person who is truly sorrowful over any sin and seeks to live in holiness unto God can be forgiven... Maybe true godly sorrow and repentance for a divorced person who was in the wrong means he or she cannot remarry. I'm just saying maybe. I would think in the case of one who is remarried to another, it means being more committed to this new marriage so as to overcome, with God's help, whatever problems threaten it. This would be the kind of commitment that was not exercised in the former marriage.

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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #108 on: Fri May 17, 2019 - 05:32:38 »
I guess a lot of my thoughts on this are  are inextricably linked to my OLD cofc days. I know even today, divorced men are viewed differently as potential elder candidates. Somewhere in my past, I had heard sermons on what one must do in these circumstances and it seemed harsh, like if the marriage falls apart, abstinence is the only solution for the rest of your life. I’m sure our congregation’s stance today is way different. I heard a recent sermon that the elder qualification of only having one wife means “at a time”. Not a traditional cofc stance. In my understanding, not being qualified as an elder has nothing to do with being saved. The old “can’t be divorced” requirement was only as to family leadership issues that an elder would be required to handle in their counseling of other folks.
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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #109 on: Fri May 17, 2019 - 06:41:34 »
I know even today, divorced men are viewed differently as potential elder candidates.

And so it should be.

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« Reply #110 on: Fri May 17, 2019 - 07:18:43 »
Then you have the whole idea of women elders.

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« Reply #111 on: Fri May 17, 2019 - 21:30:55 »
Then you have the whole idea of women elders.

Or even worse...divorced women elders!

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Re: Who & What Bonds Man & Wife As One Unit?
« Reply #112 on: Sat May 18, 2019 - 06:43:18 »
Where do you stand on divorced women elders?

 

     
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