No Longer A Christian Forum or what?

[P.F.]

Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations ! 

If you don't like the rules, then why did you agree to them by virtue of completing an account?

[Lively Stone]

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

[P.F.]

Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations ! 

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Seems like you are throwing a childish hissy fit.  If you have a problem with the moderation, why not follow the rules and message the moderators?

[Joyfullee]

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

Of course it is and God can see it too.

People can deceive themselves and sometimes others, but never God.

Blessings

[Lively Stone]

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

Of course it is and God can see it too.

People can deceive themselves and sometimes others, but never God.

Blessings

It definitely isn't happening here. In fact the opposite is happening.

[Wednesday]

Demons.....leave this thread....... 


...are they gone yet? 

[daq]

Red-bold emphasis mine ~

We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
We look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)

I have read all of this and all of these things I believe and adhere to, (without going into "personages"). Yet I have seen no one else here so far willing to admit to all of this openly after it was posted on Page 1 of this thread. After successfully proving the case against another poster, (who was denying the Deity of Christ) why then have you now succeeded in getting that thread removed "gospel"? You should have left well enough alone because he was shown to be in error, the problem is that so were you, and that by the Scripture.

[daq]

Red-bold emphasis mine ~

Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

Au contrare mon ami

We have posters dominating the theology board consistently debasing the Trinity and the Deity of Christ Jesus

Hence my frustration and reason for posting

I'd prefer to debate and disagree about Christian doctrine

Not defend the basic foundation and major planks of it

That's just me...others may disagree

Its up to you folks if you want the forum can be a place where we debate JW theology, Universalism and the merits of Islam

I always thought it was for Christian theology

p.rehbein

Also I hate to say this but some threads or comments have been mysteriously disappearing as of late.

I don't know enough to accuse anyone of anything, it could be just a server issue but I know for a fact one of my posts disappeared and I was able to go into my latest posts and find a copy of it and re-post it

Now today I noticed an entire thread I started is missing

I could've sworn I started a thread entitled

Does A believer have to believe in the Trinity to Be a Christian or something like that


Maybe I'm just overlooking it but I cannot seem to find it

Hopefully I am wrong but I've gone through most of the pages several times

So far to no avail

Sadly I suspect one of the mods has over extended their authority either that or your server tripped out and deleted it by itself  

As for that thread I was going to post the following comments there but perhaps this thread is just as appropriate seeing how you continue to level the same accusations here. You have no right to call anyone an imposter (the accusation of "posing as a Christian" means the same thing) just because they do not agree with your version of a "three personage" trinity. If you cannot answer to the following, (and since you claim to know all about that what you speak in so much that you call for the expulsion of others) then perhaps you are the one who should be shunned.

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Anyone who claims to know what they speak of concerning Scripture doctrine should be capable of explaining how he or she has justified placing YHWH into a "triune" or "three personage" BOX. Can anyone here leveling the accusations explain his or her position knowing full well the following passages of Scripture? Certainly we have all read the passages quoted below and certainly anyone calling for the removal or banishment of others will be able to explain the following Scripture passages, especially when calling for the removal of others on the grounds that they are not saved, not Christians, and/or intentionally promoting false teachings concerning the trinity. If there is no explanation forthcoming from the accusers then who are truly the ones misleading new believers and others who are not so well versed in the Scriptures? Who are the ones who should be banished or sent away to a backroom board? Who are the ones pontificating about things that they, he, or she, knows absolutely nothing about? Let those ones be anathema for leveling false accusations if they cannot prove with the Scriptures what they are claiming.

1) Please explain why the Revelation of Yeshua reveals the seven Spirits of the Theou to the reader and how this concept incorporates into and/or results in a "triune" or "three person" Creator in light of the fact that seven personages are recorded:

Revelation 1:4
4.  John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Seven Spirits  ~  "hepta Pneumaton"

Revelation 4:5
5.  And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of the Theou.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

Revelation 5:6
6.  And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of the Theou sent forth into all the earth.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

2) Also, in Revelation 3:1 Yeshua states that he has "the seven Spirits of the Theou". Please explain these seven "persona" Spirits of Theou which Yeshua has in light of a "three persona" doctrine.

Revelation 3:1
1.  And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of the Theou, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

3) Also, from the passage above, it appears that the seven Spirits may in fact be the same as the seven stars; and yet the seven stars are the seven messengers of the seven churches. Please explain how the seven messengers to the seven churches being the seven Spirits of Theou would fit into a "three persona" doctrine since you have it all figured out and are now calling for those to be banished who disagree with your doctrine. Your answers to these things are imperative for the rest of us.

Revelation 1:20
20.  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

If those who claim to know the Scripture and the truth of it cannot answer these clear Scripture statements concerning the Seven Spirits of Theou which are before his throne; indicating that they are indeed personas, then perhaps it is those ones who should be removed for leveling false accusations against other believers. After all that is indeed what the Scripture states:

Deuteronomy 19:15-19
15.  One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16.  If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17.  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before YHWH, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18.  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19.  Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

[Bitter Sweet]

God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Absolutely.

God is not confined in time, there was no 2,000 years ago with God, the resurrection is happening now as it always has. Christ has risen!

[Catholica]

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though. 

Bless you for having the integrity to go and look it up, and starting a new thread.  Sorry my post was so forthright.  No need to be embarassed, we are all learning!

[JMT]

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though. 

Bless you for having the integrity to go and look it up, and starting a new thread.  Sorry my post was so forthright.  No need to be embarassed, we are all learning!

Thank you!  The thread was split for us by a mod...I think that was an awesome idea. 

I don't like to make "Thus saith the Lord" statements unless I am *sure* He said them (LOL)...so I am glad you pointed that out to me so I don't stumble there again. It is not a 100% provable fact and I can see how both sides could come to the conclusion both for and against gender in Heaven.  A disputable matter I am happy to say "Dunno, we'll have to wait and see" about. 

[Lively Stone]

God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Absolutely.

God is not confined in time, there was no 2,000 years ago with God, the resurrection is happening now as it always has. Christ has risen!

Take your ideas to a regular debate thread...not this one.