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Joseph D. Allison wrote a pamphlet titled Steps to Salvation and I thought some of you would like to discuss it.

"What are the steps to salvaiton?  The Bible indicates that there are four basic stages, which we might call conviction, repentance, confession, and acceptance.  When a jury returns a "guilty" verdict against an accused criminal, we say the felon is (1) CONVICTED of the offense.  Evidence has proven the accusation is true, so law brings the full weight of punishment against the guilty one.  When you become aware of your own sin, you're convicted of your offenses against God and your neighbor.  It's easy to talk about "the sinful world," but sooner or later the Holy Spirit makes you feel the burden of your own sin.  This is conviction - the godly grief that starts a change in your life (2 Corinthians 7:9-11).

If a criminal decides to turn away from crime, the law still holds him responsible for what he's done.  But if we turn away from sin, God can forgive us.  (2) REPENTANCE is a wholehearted decision to "renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world..." (Titus 2:11-12.) 

If a defendant (3) CONFESSES that he has committed the crime, there's usually no need for a trial by jury.  It's an open-and-shut case.  It's merely up to the judge to pass sentence in face of the evidence and the suspect's own admission.  When you confess your sins to God, you're liable to die - except for the fact that God's Son, Jesus Christ, has already paid the price for your sins by dying on the cross.  So you need to do more than confess your sins; you need to confess Christ as your Saviour.  "If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."  (Romans 10:9)

Even after the Spirit convicts us and we decide to give up our sinful ways, we might fail to trust God for real salvation.  We'd feel like miserable sinners aspiring to a better life, yet never able to reach it.  This is not what God promises.  He wants us to realize our new relationship with him every day; he wants us to (4) ACCEPT his love.  (See Luke 7:36-50, Romans 1:16-17, and 1st Peter 1:3-5.)  When we accept salvation we can receive the better gifts of the Spirit - and only then can we share the gospel with power."

"Steps to Salvation"
by:  Joseph D. Allison
published by:  Warner Press Inc.

something to think about I give you that

I think that even though there seem to be steps like you pointed to such as hear  believe confess or what ever can be in the process it still is not any pin point but flow to the same means and the Spirit is the work force in all.

Really briefed that up hope it conveys the thought it was meant to convey

Quote from: yogi bear on Tue Sep 13, 2011 - 07:10:53
I think that even though there seem to be steps like you pointed to such as hear  believe confess or what ever can be in the process it still is not any pin point but flow to the same means and the Spirit is the work force in all.

Really briefed that up hope it conveys the thought it was meant to convey

If by "flow" you mean one continous act, yes I agree and that is what the Author was implying/saying as well.  These aren't steps that occur, oh, say, step one on Monday and step two on Thursday and such, but, rather one continous action/conversion in response to the conviction brought upon us by the Holy Ghost.  The Author is simply explaining the events that are unfolding and what they consist of.

Yes so our debate just ended I suppose, being I am in agreement, but I will most like fire up the debate again with this statement. I also include baptism and still see it as water/spirit being in the continuous act.

Quote from: yogi bear on Tue Sep 13, 2011 - 07:23:37
Yes so our debate just ended I suppose, being I am in agreement, but I will most like fire up the debate again with this statement. I also include baptism and still see it as water/spirit being in the continuous act.

And that's another thread, shoot any number of other threads...............pick one of them and have at it!

(there's one on Theology raging right now..........)

I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

Good post Jarrod I agree with your thought.

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

THAT'S SALVATION!

I'm not suprised by your comment though, 'cause ever since the first time you guys tried to require "works" to be a part of salvation, and that being in the Church at Jerusalme, you guys have been trying to "add to" God's Salvation Plan, and, of course, no matter how hard you guys try, God's Salvation Plan remains intact just as HE intended it to be.  Works ARE NOT part of the steps to salvation, they are a FRUIT of salvation, and that' just the way it is.


..........saved by Grace, and that a GIFT from God, not by works, lest any man should boast.....................


IMO, when folks TRY to add to God's Salvation Plan, they are in fact trying to void the Blood of Jesus our Christ.  Now, they don't INTEND to do ths, and probably don't even realize that they are doing this, but they are, and the Apostle Paul said so more than once!  IF WORKS could earn salvation, then the sacrifice of Jesus is made void.........there would have been no need for Him to die!

So, with regards to your "walking the path..........(which IS important for a Christian to do)" being "salvation"............well, let me say....................

You just  do not fully understand but that's OK we get undertand why you don't  and we will not hold it against you.

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 08:46:10

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.

Not confused.  And I am one of the least worried people you will ever meet. 

Actually, I did a long word study on all the usages of the verb "to save" in the New Testament.  To summarize:

16 in the future tense, describing salvation as an event that happens in the future
7 in the subjunctive tense, describing the possibility of salvation as a hypothetical future event
8 in the present tense, describing the saving as something that is happening now and is ongoing
4 in the perfect tense (all participles), describing salvation as a present state of being resulting from past actions
7 infinitives modifying present tense verbs
3 in second aorist tense, referring to future events in a punctiliar manner
2 in aorist tense (past), referring to the work of God as being complete
7 other aorist tense (past), none of them referring to the salvation of mankind (they refer to specific events, such as men being "saved" from a shipwreck)

In short, the consistent teaching of the New Testament is that the salvation of men is a present state of being, with a definite culmination at some point in the future.

If you would like, I have a listing of all those references with more details, as well.

Jarrod

Quote from: p.rehbein on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 05:41:09
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

THAT'S SALVATION!

This verse is in the future tense as well.

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 00:42:17

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 08:46:10

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.

Not confused.  And I am one of the least worried people you will ever meet. 

Actually, I did a long word study on all the usages of the verb "to save" in the New Testament.  To summarize:

16 in the future tense, describing salvation as an event that happens in the future
7 in the subjunctive tense, describing the possibility of salvation as a hypothetical future event
8 in the present tense, describing the saving as something that is happening now and is ongoing
4 in the perfect tense (all participles), describing salvation as a present state of being resulting from past actions
7 infinitives modifying present tense verbs
3 in second aorist tense, referring to future events in a punctiliar manner
2 in aorist tense (past), referring to the work of God as being complete
7 other aorist tense (past), none of them referring to the salvation of mankind (they refer to specific events, such as men being "saved" from a shipwreck)

In short, the consistent teaching of the New Testament is that the salvation of men is a present state of being, with a definite culmination at some point in the future.

If you would like, I have a listing of all those references with more details, as well.

Jarrod

Just so I understand your thinking:

If I died yesterday...I was saved.
If I die today...I am saved.
If I die tomorrow...I will be saved.

Am I close?

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 08:41:48

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 00:42:17

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 08:46:10

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.

Not confused.  And I am one of the least worried people you will ever meet. 

Actually, I did a long word study on all the usages of the verb "to save" in the New Testament.  To summarize:

16 in the future tense, describing salvation as an event that happens in the future
7 in the subjunctive tense, describing the possibility of salvation as a hypothetical future event
8 in the present tense, describing the saving as something that is happening now and is ongoing
4 in the perfect tense (all participles), describing salvation as a present state of being resulting from past actions
7 infinitives modifying present tense verbs
3 in second aorist tense, referring to future events in a punctiliar manner
2 in aorist tense (past), referring to the work of God as being complete
7 other aorist tense (past), none of them referring to the salvation of mankind (they refer to specific events, such as men being "saved" from a shipwreck)

In short, the consistent teaching of the New Testament is that the salvation of men is a present state of being, with a definite culmination at some point in the future.

If you would like, I have a listing of all those references with more details, as well.

Jarrod

Just so I understand your thinking:

If I died yesterday...I was saved.
If I die today...I am saved.
If I die tomorrow...I will be saved.

Am I close?

Not really.  Regardless of when you die, you "will be saved" in the future, at the time of the resurrection, assuming that you persevere and remain in the state of salvation until the end of your life.  (How can you be saved from death without dying first?)

Since you are alive, you are walking the path of salvation.  Salvation is a present state of being - a sort of place that stretches from time from point A (conversion) to point B (death).

Jarrod

Jarrod says:

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.
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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16

THAT'S SALVATION!
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This verse is in the future tense as well.


Not really.  Regardless of when you die, you "will be saved" in the future, at the time of the resurrection, assuming that you persevere and remain in the state of salvation until the end of your life.  (How can you be saved from death without dying first?)

Since you are alive, you are walking the path of salvation.  Salvation is a present state of being - a sort of place that stretches from time from point A (conversion) to point B (death).

Jarrod
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I could not disagree more with this idea of Salvation.  I am so very thankful for my Church, and I am so very thankful that we have "blessed assurance" of our Salvation, for we who were burried with Him died to sin, and we who were ressurected with Him rose to Salvation, and that is a wonderful thing to know.  A true joy!

Your idea of salvation is so very different from mine, I don't even want to discuss it.  I see no point.  You are certainly welcome to your belief, but I thank God there are those dear Saints who teach different than your explination(s) of Salvation.

Jarrod: "Not really.  Regardless of when you die, you "will be saved" in the future, at the time of the resurrection, assuming that you persevere and remain in the state of salvation until the end of your life.  (How can you be saved from death without dying first?)"

Is this what Paul was referring to in Romans 6?
He makes the statement, "For he that is dead is free from sin."

Would this be in the "perfect tense"?
Which leads to: Where does this action take place?

p.rebhein: "I could not disagree more with this idea of Salvation.  I am so very thankful for my Church, and I am so very thankful that we have "blessed assurance" of our Salvation, for we who were burried with Him died to sin, and we who were ressurected with Him rose to Salvation, and that is a wonderful thing to know.  A true joy!

Your idea of salvation is so very different from mine, I don't even want to discuss it.  I see no point.  You are certainly welcome to your belief, but I thank God there are those dear Saints who teach different than your explination(s) of Salvation."

OK ...let me follow your line of reason here p. rebheim.
You are saying Jerrod is wrong in his teaching......
Jesus has said, "I am the way...no man comes to the Father but by me" (John 10:1).
You are saying Jerrod has found another way?

You say that you "are thankful for your Church."
Is this the "Church" that Jesus is the "head and gave himself for" (Ephesians 5).

If you are not in the RCC you will find a stern rebuke on the Catholic Forum.
Their steps of salvation has followed the line of Augustine: Election, Irresistable grace, Sacraments,
Their results of salvation: Faith, justification, sanctificatin, perseverance...
I believe this is what Jerrod was referring to in his belief on Salvation.
Not sure...but is your doctrine in line with Calvin and the Reformed?

Quote from: p.rehbein on Thu Sep 29, 2011 - 06:34:31
I could not disagree more with this idea of Salvation.  I am so very thankful for my Church, and I am so very thankful that we have "blessed assurance" of our Salvation, for we who were burried with Him died to sin, and we who were ressurected with Him rose to Salvation, and that is a wonderful thing to know.  A true joy!

I believe in an assurance of salvation.  Just because I believe we will be saved in the future, does not mean there is no certainty of it happening.

The Bible says that God gives us a guarantee and a down payment on our eventual salvation - His pledge to complete what He has started in us.

2Cor 1:21   Now he which makes us to stand with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given that down-payment - the Spirit in our hearts. 

Quote from: pointmade on Fri Sep 30, 2011 - 07:34:51
Jarrod: "Not really.  Regardless of when you die, you "will be saved" in the future, at the time of the resurrection, assuming that you persevere and remain in the state of salvation until the end of your life.  (How can you be saved from death without dying first?)"

Is this what Paul was referring to in Romans 6?
He makes the statement, "For he that is dead is free from sin."

Would this be in the "perfect tense"?
Which leads to: Where does this action take place?

My statement was talking about a future physical resurrection.  So no, Romans 6 is not applicable to that.

Romans 6 IS applicable to the other part of what I was talking about - how salvation is a path we walk in the here and now.  Present tense.

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 05:20:20

Quote from: p.rehbein on Thu Sep 29, 2011 - 06:34:31
I could not disagree more with this idea of Salvation.  I am so very thankful for my Church, and I am so very thankful that we have "blessed assurance" of our Salvation, for we who were burried with Him died to sin, and we who were ressurected with Him rose to Salvation, and that is a wonderful thing to know.  A true joy!

I believe in an assurance of salvation.  Just because I believe we will be saved in the future, does not mean there is no certainty of it happening.

The Bible says that God gives us a guarantee and a down payment on our eventual salvation - His pledge to complete what He has started in us.

2Cor 1:21   Now he which makes us to stand with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given that down-payment - the Spirit in our hearts. 

If you choose to believe that you are NOT NOW saved, set aside, and have become through the blood of Christ a child of God, but that sometime in the "future" this will occur, ok, if that works for you............................"

As for me, I have blessed assurance that I knelt down a worthless sinner when I asked the Lord Jesus Christ to come into my heart, but when I ROSE, I rose a blood bought, born again, Child of the King and salvation was mine.  What is to COME in the FUTURE is my REWARD.  I know this for the Bible tells me so.

God bless, and you are certainly welcome to your beliefs.................

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 05:52:49

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 05:20:20

Quote from: p.rehbein on Thu Sep 29, 2011 - 06:34:31
I could not disagree more with this idea of Salvation.  I am so very thankful for my Church, and I am so very thankful that we have "blessed assurance" of our Salvation, for we who were burried with Him died to sin, and we who were ressurected with Him rose to Salvation, and that is a wonderful thing to know.  A true joy!

I believe in an assurance of salvation.  Just because I believe we will be saved in the future, does not mean there is no certainty of it happening.

The Bible says that God gives us a guarantee and a down payment on our eventual salvation - His pledge to complete what He has started in us.

2Cor 1:21   Now he which makes us to stand with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given that down-payment - the Spirit in our hearts. 

If you choose to believe that you are NOT NOW saved, set aside, and have become through the blood of Christ a child of God, but that sometime in the "future" this will occur, ok, if that works for you............................"

As for me, I have blessed assurance that I knelt down a worthless sinner when I asked the Lord Jesus Christ to come into my heart, but when I ROSE, I rose a blood bought, born again, Child of the King and salvation was mine.  What is to COME in the FUTURE is my REWARD.  I know this for the Bible tells me so.

God bless, and you are certainly welcome to your beliefs.................

See, we're just talking past each other here.  We're not even talking about the same thing really.

You're talking about being rescued from the practice of sinning and from the human condition of depravity.

I'm talking about being rescued from death and condemnation to hellfire.  This is in the future... unless you think you have already died and the Judgment is already past?

Jarrod

Ok, now, that's just splitting hairs.  Salvation IS our "rebirth."  Becomming a new man.  When we ARE reborn, we HAVE blessed assurance that we NO LONGER face eternal damnation, BUT eternal life....................we HAVE that assurance NOW.  Yes, we will die and rise again to eternal life, but this is our REWARD.  We HAVE SALVATION now!  You can read 1st Peter, the first chapter to see this........well, at least I can, but that may be just me I supose.............



sal-va'tion, n. 1. deliverace,  2. deliverance from sin.

This is salvation.  I have this now.     What you are calling salvation is my REWARD!  I know so, becaus Jesus said it was so.

God bless..............

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 06:45:35
This is salvation.  I have this now.     What you are calling salvation is my REWARD!  I know so, becaus Jesus said it was so.

I think perhaps you should double check exactly what Jesus does say.  All of the following verses have down "be saved" as something that happens in the future:

• Mat 10:22 KJV - And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
• Mat 24:13 KJV - But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
• Mar 13:13 KJV - And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
• Mar 16:16 KJV - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
• Jhn 10:9 KJV - I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
• Act 2:21 KJV - And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
• Act 11:14 KJV - Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
• Act 16:31 KJV - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
• Rom 5:9 KJV - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
• Rom 5:10 KJV - For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
• Rom 9:27 KJV - Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
• Rom 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
• Rom 10:13 KJV - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
• Rom 11:26 KJV - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
• 1Cr 3:15 KJV - If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I would encourage you to use a concordance and go through your Bible and look up all the instances of the word "saved."  You aren't going to find much of anything in there about someone who "got saved."  It just isn't there.

Jarrod

Hey, if you want to believe that you are not "saved," shoot, who am I to argue with you?   (personally, I believe you are, but are just playing word games with me.............  )

However, as for me and my house, I AM FULLY CONVINCED that I am SAVED, have been SAVED, and shall endure until the end with my SALVATION intact!  I would encourage you to spend a whole lot of time in prayer, with a sincere and contrite heart, pleading with God to reveal to you through the presence of the Holy Ghost the "blessed assurance" of Salvation here and now to "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM."

It will bring such joy and peace to your heart.............................  

Now, surely, you are free to continue to believe as you wish, and, hey, that's ok too!  Just make sure you don't state your belief(s) as Biblical Truth.............for they are ONLY your belief(s), just as mine are only mine.

God bless, and reach out with all belief and faith and embrace the blessed assurance of Salvation, and receive the Holy Ghost into your heart and you'll be so very amazed at the joy that will follow!

Jarrod: "I believe in an assurance of salvation.  Just because I believe we will be saved in the future, does not mean there is no certainty of it happening.

The Bible says that God gives us a guarantee and a down payment on our eventual salvation - His pledge to complete what He has started in us.

2Cor 1:21   Now he which makes us to stand with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given that down-payment - the Spirit in our hearts." 

Jarrod, I took another look at what you wrote...I believe the Scriptures backs you up.....
The Calvinist will say that a man is "saved the moment he believes,"
or instantaneously by an act of the Holy Spirit.

The New Testament presents conversion (a term that includes regeneration and repentance and obedience) as a
process.
Men are not save by faith only. If it takes more than mental assent to save a man,
than conversion must be described as a process.

Noting verse 47 of Acts 2..."And the Lord was adding to their number."
The "Lord" here (ass in verse 39) is a reference to God, rather than to Christ.
No man can "join church" like he might join some human fraternal society. He must be added by the Lord.
Men are added to the body of believers when they become obedient.
Paul and Apollos (and we) may plant and water, but God gives the increase.
Again the verb tense pictures continuous action. He was adding.

When discussing this with a Calvinist, he will say that you will find the text means "caused, or inclined them
to be joined to the church."
Is this so? It sounds suspiciously like the idea of a "first work of grace," where God must first operare
on the sinners heart.....

Note again p.rehbein "heart thing,"
"However, as for me and my house, I AM FULLY CONVINCED that I am SAVED, have been SAVED, and shall endure until the end with my SALVATION intact!  I would encourage you to spend a whole lot of time in prayer, with a sincere and contrite heart, pleading with God to reveal to you through the presence of the Holy Ghost the "blessed assurance" of Salvation here and now to "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM."  It will bring such joy and peace to your heart."

We have here a doctrine that is part and parcel of the larger concept called "total depravity and total inability,"
a doctrine  NOT taught in the Scriptures, but one made popular by Augustine and Calvin.
"Adding" is the same Greek word that was used in verse 41.
These inspired words by Luke are expressive of the fact that when a man is obedient, his name is added to
the Lamb's book of life. (Rev. 3:5; 20:12, 15).

Where the NASB has "to their number," the KJV reads "to the church." The words "to the church" are not in the Greek,
The idea is that daily men and women who became believers were joined together into the body, and
included in on its daily fellowship and hospitality and helpfulness.

I cannot agree with your using 2 Cor. 1:21 as a "pledge to us."
I believe Paul is using the pronoun "us" in this text as referring to the Apostles.
Verse 22, "the earnest of the Spirit" was promised to the Apostles (John 16:13-14).
Note verses 12, 13 of Epehesians 1

Good posting Jarrod and Pointmade manna to both

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Sep 26, 2011 - 08:46:10

Quote from: Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Sun Sep 25, 2011 - 10:27:04
I got yer beef!  ::moo::

You just described steps for conversion, which isn't the same thing as salvation.

Salvation is walking the path, and ultimately finishing the journey.  Conversion is just entering at the wicket gate, and getting on the path in the first place.

Jarrod

You have confused Salvation with Sactification; but not to worry...many do...then struggle their life away with worry and doubt.

Nobody is saved.

If you think that what a person tells you brings salvation it is wrong. Salvation comes from the Word Of God and is found in the scriptures also we who know what sripture to put our trust in are being saved. That is the reason we are given the Holy Spirit because man can not teach anybody how to live their life while they are here on earth according to the will of God, only His Spirit can do that.

Christians no matter what denomination aren't saved anyway because they think they are saved through man made doctrines as the commandments of God. The Nicene Creed is the prime example and Apostolic Succession is the additive.

Quote from: Legate on Sat Oct 22, 2011 - 17:58:54
Nobody is saved.

If you think that what a person tells you brings salvation it is wrong. Salvation comes from the Word Of God and is found in the scriptures also we who know what sripture to put our trust in are being saved. That is the reason we are given the Holy Spirit because man can not teach anybody how to live their life while they are here on earth according to the will of God, only His Spirit can do that.

Christians no matter what denomination aren't saved anyway because they think they are saved through man made doctrines as the commandments of God. The Nicene Creed is the prime example and Apostolic Succession is the additive.

What do you mean, 'nobody is saved'? I am!

Legate says:

Nobody is saved.

If you think that what a person tells you brings salvation it is wrong. Salvation comes from the Word Of God and is found in the scriptures also we who know what sripture to put our trust in are being saved. That is the reason we are given the Holy Spirit because man can not teach anybody how to live their life while they are here on earth according to the will of God, only His Spirit can do that.
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shoot, the screen name says it all don't it?

Jesus spoke concerning the "legalists theology," He said:

John 5:24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.......................37) And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.  Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.  38) And ye have not his word abiding in you:  for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.  39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me.  40) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:06:10

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?

You asked the question about being saved . I used scripture to answer it.