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Dear brother Howard,
I assume you know who the Holy Spirit is and what He does as He interacts with the so blessed believer. The Spirit is one part of the essence of God. He is not an independent entity in that He is motivated only by the will GOD, which is who He is in reality. This is why, I feel, that it is so very important to establish the connection with God, through Jesus. The result being the 'gift' of the SPIRIT of GOD.
I would like you to, if you haven't already, consider some of the scripture you use in light of what I just stated. Let's begin with:
    Mat 4:4  But he answered, "It is written, 'One must not live on bread alone, but on every word coming out of the mouth of God.'"
If a person has not been indwelled with the 'Spirit' the only "..word coming out of the mouth of God.

Quote from: daq on Wed Nov 02, 2011 - 10:44:50

Quote from: thefixer on Wed Nov 02, 2011 - 10:13:40
Dear sister Beta,
Considering the period of time ---three days and three nights --- I too had a problem with my understanding and scriptural understanding not coming together. After a great deal of research I came to realize that the Jewish notion of a day, during the times of the Bible, and our modern notion are not the same. Please read the following Commentaries that I got from E-Sword.

Wesley writes:
Matthew 12:40  Three days and three nights - It was customary with the eastern nations to reckon any part of a natural day of twenty - four hours, for the whole day. Accordingly they used to say a thing was done after three or seven days, if it was done on the third or seventh day, from that which was last mentioned. Instances of this may be seen, 1Ki_20:29; and in many other places. And as the Hebrews had no word to express a natural day, they used night and day, or day and night for it. So that to say a thing happened after three days and three nights, was with them the very same, as to say, it happened after three days, or on the third day. See Est_4:16; Est_5:1; Gen_7:4, Gen_7:12; Exo_24:18; Exo_34:28. Jon_2:1.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown writes:
Matthew 12:40  
For as Jonas was — "a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 08:42:36

how do we acknowledge him before men? with our mouth? with confession? no, with deeds.

We acknowledge Him in how we live..and with our words of encouragement..and when we are challenged if we believe, by saying "yes".  What does JESUS say we are to do in our following of Him?  I cannot remember ONE time where He tells us to worship on a specific day or eat a specific way...He talks to us about how we treat others. 

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 08:42:36

QuotePS. Jesus, I'm pretty sure kept the dietary law as well, but Peter was given freedom to eat everything...so was he in

where is this written?

Acts 10:9-16  Acts 10:9-16
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 09:29:35

Quote from: daq on Wed Nov 02, 2011 - 10:44:50
Sorry "thefixer" but that is nothing more than a bunch of fancy footwork from people who do not have the answer. There are other places where Yeshua states that he will be raised "in the third day" and those are the places where the "Jewish" or "Hebrew" expression applies. The very reason that Yeshua states precisely THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS is so that there be absolutely no mistaking the statement with a so-called Jewish expression. Do you know that this particular topic is one often used by non-believers to discredit the Gospel of Christ? For such reasons it behooves us to understand the truth in this matter.

Luke 24:13-21 KJV
13.  And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14.  And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15.  And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16.  But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17.  And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18.  And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19.  And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20.  And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21.  But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

When Yeshua appeared to the two on the road to Emmaus it was absolutely NOT yet three days and three nights to the full. Therefore what I have stated above is the TRUTH.

what is your point?

Luke 24
1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

2And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

3And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

it looks to me that Jesus rose before the sun came up because he was gone.

sometime after the sun went down saturday he had rose from the grave

the first day of the week starts when the sun goes down of the 7th day of the week

if you go by the error of good friday to sunday morning the Jesus of the bible was not in the grave 3 days and 3 nights

if you go by the bible the Jesus of the bible went in the grave wednesday before the sun went down and rose after the sun went down saturday night

this is why Jesus was walking around sunday morning or what they called back then the first day of the week

Jesus said

Luke 13

    32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.   33Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

was Jesus perfected or raised the third day do we believe this?

My point has not changed one iota, 
Here it is again:

Quote from: daq on Mon Oct 31, 2011 - 02:07:06

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Quote from: howard on Sun Oct 30, 2011 - 07:50:26

Jesus custom was to keep the 7th day sabbath

Luke 4

15And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

are you sure you are following the Jesus who kept the 7th day sabbath?

I am with you in all this howard but remember :
if they don't hear God or Jesus they certainly won't hear you or me !
They are following a wrong Jesus ....an imposter who for them rose on easter-sunday. The true Jesus was in the tomb for exactly 3 days and 3 nights as HE himself predicted and ' rose according to scripture in the end of the Sabbath.....not according to human reasoning which is 'glaringly false.
This world remains 'deceived until satan is cast into the abyss at the end of this evil age ...that he should deceive the nations no more.

And scripture can not be broken !

Dear Beta
Yeshua said no such thing concerning any "tomb" where he would be spending three days and three nights:

Matthew 12:40 KJV
40.  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart (GSN#2588 "kardia") of the earth (GSN#1093 "ge").

Original Strong's Ref. #2588
Romanized  kardia
Pronounced kar-dee'-ah
elongated form from the primary kar (Latin, cor, "heart"); the heart, i.e. (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle:
KJV--(+ broken-)heart(-ed).

Original Strong's Ref. #1093
Romanized  ge
Pronounced ghay
contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):
KJV--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

If you want to know what he means by "the kardia of the soil"-'adamah (a blood pumping organ of the human body) then perhaps the "Parable of the Sower" is a good place to start(over). And oh what a great Day of atonement-cleansing it will be, (three days and three nights that is) but each in his or her own appointed time. 

Quote from: daq on Mon Oct 31, 2011 - 02:07:06

However, if you now want to know all of which was said in between then and here then you will now need to go reread all of it and find it for yourself. Yet if you did not care about the Atonement of your own soul to begin with then why should I continue here now? As the Prophet Zechariah stated: "That that dieth let it die"... 

Quote(because CERTAINLY all of the NT Epistles adhere to the doctrines of Yeshua). Therefore we have before us the fact that the "New Covenant" is a RENEWED-REFRESHED-KAINOS COVENANT.

All the doctrines of the NT do not only adhere to the doctrine of Yeshua, it is the doctrine of Yeshua, no difference.

The New Covenant is NEW, not refresh.....totally wrong. In the New covenant you MUST be born again. It is not a refresh, or rehashing of the old. It is something that had never been done before.

Quote from: INJ on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 11:55:01

Quote(because CERTAINLY all of the NT Epistles adhere to the doctrines of Yeshua). Therefore we have before us the fact that the "New Covenant" is a RENEWED-REFRESHED-KAINOS COVENANT.

All the doctrines of the NT do not only adhere to the doctrine of Yeshua, it is the doctrine of Yeshua, no difference.

The New Covenant is NEW, not refresh.....totally wrong. In the New covenant you MUST be born again. It is not a refresh, or rehashing of the old. It is something that had never been done before.

Again:

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Quote from: howard on Sun Oct 30, 2011 - 07:50:26

Jesus custom was to keep the 7th day sabbath

Luke 4

15And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

are you sure you are following the Jesus who kept the 7th day sabbath?

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath because he was a JEW.  We are Christians saved by God's Grace--we live by
the Spirit, not by the Law.

In the scriptures its written in Leviticus 24:22 - Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God No law, no need to go to church, its in the law (commandments), even on the wrong day of the week Sunday!

"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. Otherwise, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse.  And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins". (Mark 2: 21,22)

Lets go into Ephesian 2: 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:  18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


So Paul is saying that the Gentile are now fellowcitizens with the saints, or Israelites. Pay attention to the last verse, verse  20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Understand what foundation is, and you will see that you have to go back in the old book, there no testamony without the old book. Try walking in a house with no foundation. I understand why you uses Mark 2: 21,22, but in this case theres nothing new, and thats what you have to understand. Also Paul said in romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. You do know that the scriptures are from Genesis to malachi, if not you just learn now.

And in addition to Chief Cornerstone ~ NEW SPIRIT
No wonder that an old wineskin looks much like a human heart. Wineskins were not replaced with "brand new" skins every time, (way too expensive) but rather they were refreshed and renewed. In order to renew a wineskin first it would be washed in running water, (River of Life) then it would be soaked in oil, (Holy Spirit).

 

Matthew 9:17 ASV
17.  Neither do men put new wine into old wine-skins: (GSN#779 askos) else the skins burst, and the wine is spilled, and the skins perish: but they put new (GSN#3501 neos) wine into fresh (GSN#2537 kainos) wine-skins, and both are preserved.

Original Strong's Ref. #779
Romanized  askos
Pronounced as-kos'
from the same as GSN0778; a leathern (or skin) bag used as a bottle:
KJV--bottle.

Mark 2:22 ASV
22.  And no man putteth new wine into old wineskins; else the wine will burst the skins, and the wine perisheth, and the skins: but they put new (GSN#3501 neos) wine into fresh (GSN#2537 kainos) wine-skins.

And the great thing about the Word and Doctrine of Christ is that herein we have the true intended meanings of both "neos" and "kainos" in the NT writings, (because CERTAINLY all of the NT Epistles adhere to the doctrines of Yeshua). Therefore we have before us the fact that the "New Covenant" is a RENEWED-REFRESHED-KAINOS COVENANT.

NEW SPIRIT  ~  RENEWED HEART

John 7: 38-39 YGB
38.  he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;'
39.  and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
13.  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 5:18 KJV
18.  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

 

Quote from: daq on Mon Oct 31, 2011 - 21:29:31

And ~

Luke 5:34-39 KJV
34.  And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
35.  But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
36.  And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37.  And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38.  But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39.  No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, the old is better.

Sorry for your luck ...   

in the wilderness we read where it was the Jesus of the bible leading Israel around.

1 Corinthians 10

1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

this same Jesus is the same God who gave man the dietary laws

Leviticus 11

1And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you


44For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

45For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

46This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

47To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

the Jesus of the bible makes a difference between what we can eat and what we can't.

and the same Jesus who gave the dietary laws don't change his mind,

Malachi 3

6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

so whgen we get to the NT did the Jesus of the bible change his mind according to his own command

NOT

according to Paul



Hebrews 13
8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
   

so who is the Jesus being taught today that changed his mind and now says we can eat anything?

where is this written?

we read where we cant eat anything we want, where is it written that we can?

 

Quote Acts 10:9-16  Acts 10:9-16
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.

the Jesus of the bible has a dietary law and it has not changed. for those who don't keep the dietary  are you sure that you are serving the Jesus of the bible

Millions of professing Christians attend church each Sunday, singing songs, clapping hands and wanting to "feel good" about their acceptance of The Person of Christ—at least their idea about Christ.

Yet the true Christ of the Bible warns us all:


(Mat.7:21-23) (v.21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (v.22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (v.23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These are church people that Jesus is going tell to "Depart from me I never knew you ye that work iniquity

That might work with man but I guarantee you it will not fly with God.


In decrying lawlessness, Jesus was talking about mankind's failure to keep God's spiritual Law, the Ten Commandments. Many churches today give "lip service" to the commandments just as the word of God prophesied they would;


(Eze.33:30-32) (v.31) Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the LORD. (v.31) And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they show much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness. (v.32) And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.

You hear what thus saith the Lord but you aren't going to do it.

Oh, it sounds like a very lovely song and a pleasant voice when you hear it, you hear what the word of God says but you do them not.

Some churches are quick to say we teach and keep the commandments but their members become some what confused if they are reminded that the fourth commandment directly tells us to worship God on the seventh day of the week, which we know as Saturday not the ancient, pagan "day of the sun, Sunday.

The truth is that we have become, in large part, a society of Salad-Bar Christians.

Many like to profess that they follow Christ, but few actually follow Him! Many like to profess that they believe in the Ten Commandments, but they are extremely quick to "water down" the commandments when it suits their purpose—and our modern "lifestyle."

We like to think that we stand for truth.

But how many of us resort to lying "a little" when it suits our purpose?

How many of us actually keep the dietary law of the bible.

Again, the word of God is very clear.

For the Apostle John quotes the word of God promising:

(Rev 21:7-8) (v.7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (v.8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The liar and the murderers along with the whoremongers and the abominable will receive the same reward.

Let's take a quick look at one way that you can make yourself abominable in the eyes of the Lord.

(Lev 20:25) Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean.

You mean you didn't know that you could make yourself unclean and abominable by eating certain manners of food?

Yes, what your diet consists of could very well have you tossed into the fire with the liars and the murderers and the whoremongers.

howard , you may well have touched on an interesting point when you mention 'unclean foods.
I know the dietary laws along with the Commandments and Feasts of the Lord are not popular but I believe they reveal something important.
1Cor.15v46 says : ...that was not first which is spiritual but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual.
Now ...if we eat 'unclean food how can we assume to be spiritually clean ? 

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 20:57:32

Quote Acts 10:9-16  Acts 10:9-16
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.

Quote from: Beta on Fri Nov 04, 2011 - 15:04:29
howard , you may well have touched on an interesting point when you mention 'unclean foods.
I know the dietary laws along with the Commandments and Feasts of the Lord are not popular but I believe they reveal something important.
1Cor.15v46 says : ...that was not first which is spiritual but that which is natural and afterward that which is spiritual.
Now ...if we eat 'unclean food how can we assume to be spiritually clean ? 

we cant.

when we eat things that God said don't eat we disobey the word of God.

the feast days actually is a blue print for Jesus coming

lets take a look at the day of pentecost

in Acts 2 Peter said this concerning this day

 
Acts 2

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


lets  look at Joel 2

28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


same event

Peter says this day is on the day of pentecost

let look at through John writings

same event

Revelation 6

12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

when te heavens role back like a scroll and the events happen to the moon and sun

this is the day of pentecost on the year of pentecost.

this day will be the sign of the return of Jesus.

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Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 20:57:32

Quote Acts 10:9-16  Acts 10:9-16
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.

QuoteIF Jesus' blood is pure enough to cleanse the sinners heart, He surely can cleanse what we eat.  The verse tells us that Peter said "NO LORD!" to what the Lord had shown him before He said to get up, kill and eat.  GOD said, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." It reasons that He was telling Peter that there was no more reason for dietary restrictions, that Christ's death and resurrection had even fulfilled that.  God SHOWED Peter what his choices were and clearly there were things he was unaccustomed to eating.

BUT, it really seems you aren't open to a discussion, just open to being right and condemning others, so I'll bow out now.

you brought this up, don't go now

show me where God said we can eat anything now, show me in this chapter were unclean foods are clean

Acts 10

11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate


show me

what I read is God gave confused Peter some understanding

Peter said God has showed him not ot call no man common or UNCLEAN

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

he showed Peter, he has showed me and everyone on this forum, will you run or will you try to understand?

God was not talking about food God was talking about MAN!!

 

   

Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation






Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Peter was to minister to and fellowship with the gentiles....man was not unclean nor his eating habits because they were not born Jewish.  God gave him the call to give up the letter of the law in order to minister and show the lost the way and hope of Christ.

He forgot that when he let the judgements of the law keepers intimidate him and he went back to law keeping.  He was called to task for it by Paul in Galatians 2:11-21   

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time. 

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:32:05

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time. 

Wow...ok..that was rude.

I also hear what JESUS says 
Matthew 15: 10-20
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:49:06

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:32:05

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time. 

Wow...ok..that was rude.

I also hear what JESUS says 
Matthew 15: 10-20
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:02:11

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:49:06

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:32:05

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time.  

Wow...ok..that was rude.

I also hear what JESUS says  
Matthew 15: 10-20
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:09:27

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:02:11

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:49:06

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:32:05

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time.  

Wow...ok..that was rude.

I also hear what JESUS says  
Matthew 15: 10-20
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation






Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Well now I have heard it all. Are you serious??? I was listening to a CD of Galatians yesterday, when Paul speaks of others being bewitched because people were letting others tell them that they needed to be circumcised and do other  things from the law. "Foolish Galatians,who has bewitched you" he says. This seems to be happening here. God makes it clear that we can eat anthing now because he has declared all food clean. Why try to make a passage says what it doesn't? To imply that we are risking our salvation because we eat pork(horror!!!) is madness. God has declared that all food is allowable for us to eat, yes even food that has been offered to idols.
Not sure what church you come from,but if I were you I would leave it asap if that is what nonsense they teach.Seriously worrying.

Quote from: Sinead on Tue Oct 25, 2011 - 00:54:36
We are not saved until the end. It isn't over till it's over.

It is He who endures to the end who will be saved. This is a futristic verse. It is something yet to come.

If we are still alive in the world we are not yet at the end and we are not yet saved - however we are followers of Christ.

We are told to examine ourselves to see whether or not we are in the faith.  2 Corinthians 13:5

Popular teachings today would have us believe that once we're saved we can never turn away from Christ and forfeit our salvation. This is a false and dangerous teaching that can and has lead people down a dangerous path.

IF we endure to the end with Him, then we will be saved.
IF we abide in Him, He will abide in us.
IF we do not deny Him before men, He will not deny us and confess us before the angels and before the Father.

Exactly!!! Gods salvation carries with it the knowledge of the Holy Spirit revealed to us and that seals us through repentance that we are adopted into Christ having the same inheritance as long as we keep faith in him and endure/overcome all persecutions of this world up to the time of Jesus return whether we be alive or dead physically.

If I am allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell in me then I know for a surety that I am continuing in the works of the Lord by allowing His Spirit to guide me in all things until the day I am saved from the destruction of this world waiting for the new earth and new Jerusalem to be ushered down from God.
Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Eph 1:1  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14  Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 13:20:04

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation






Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Well now I have heard it all. Are you serious??? I was listening to a CD of Galatians yesterday, when Paul speaks of others being bewitched because people were letting others tell them that they needed to be circumcised and do other  things from the law. "Foolish Galatians,who has bewitched you" he says. This seems to be happening here. God makes it clear that we can eat anthing now because he has declared all food clean. Why try to make a passage says what it doesn't? To imply that we are risking our salvation because we eat pork(horror!!!) is madness. God has declared that all food is allowable for us to eat, yes even food that has been offered to idols.
Not sure what church you come from,but if I were you I would leave it asap if that is what nonsense they teach.Seriously worrying.

Amen. Howard gives Torah a bad name and turns people off to the Truth that the Law is SPIRIT. Take the Parable of the Sower for instance: the fowls of heaven, (unclean birds listed in Lev.11:13-19) are the "wicked one", devil, and Satan, who swoop in and steal the seeds of truth from the compacted, rocky, soil on the side of the road, (hardened hearts). The dietary laws are interpreted in this way by the Master in some of the parables. They have nothing to do with physical eating because they are commandments given in SPIRIT from the voice of YHWH, (and the Decalogue by the very finger of YHWH which is Yeshua our High Priest). If one understands the dietary laws in Spirit then "You shall not eat swine" means "DO NOT BE LIKE SWINE" etc., etc., do not be like the fowls who wait and watch from above for weak and vulnerable young to swoop and devour. For the same reasons which Howard displays herein, (an understanding of everything according to the flesh and the eyes of the flesh) the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, were false teachers and condemned for it. However, the NT church is reminded not to eat things sacrificed to idols, (Acts 15:29, Rev.2:14-20) this commandment is in the same SPIRIT. I once had an entire library shelf full of books and had already consumed all of them before I realized (was shown) they were food that had been sacrificed to the once awesome greenback pigs. 

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 21:05:22
the Jesus of the bible has a dietary law and it has not changed. for those who don't keep the dietary  are you sure that you are serving the Jesus of the bible

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4  For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5  For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:41:45

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:09:27

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 12:02:11

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:49:06

Quote from: Beta on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 11:32:05

Quote from: howard on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:22:32
Jesus gave us the dietary laws and they are still valid

if you think they are not then are you really serving Jesus

lets read for those who want to continue to disobeying Jesus and believe or been taught to eat what you want  you are playing with your salvation

Isaiah 65

1I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

6Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

when Jesus returns!!!

Full marks for trying to lead MeMysslf to water... but you can't make him drink.
If they won.t hear Jesus they won't hear you..or me.
Most trad Christians only hear Peter or Paul (as you heard from his own lips) so further trying is a waste of time.  

Wow...ok..that was rude.

I also hear what JESUS says  
Matthew 15: 10-20
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

Yes we are under obligation of 'Commandments since they are all over the NT.

Are you ? You should be if you hear Jesus Joh.15v10.
The Father's Commandments include the 7th day Sabbath
why is it not kept ? Lk.6v46
Hearing Jesus is one thing - obeying is another. 

Quote from: Debbie_55 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 14:28:53

Quote from: howard on Thu Nov 03, 2011 - 21:05:22
the Jesus of the bible has a dietary law and it has not changed. for those who don't keep the dietary  are you sure that you are serving the Jesus of the bible

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4  For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5  For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

for those who believe in Leviticus 11 and know that Levitcus 11 is true, for the Lord sanctified what we can and cannot eat in Leviticus 11

Read Leviticus 11

now where does it say we can eat anything in 1Timothy?

its not there 

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Nov 06, 2011 - 10:48:04
Peter was to minister to and fellowship with the gentiles....man was not unclean nor his eating habits because they were not born Jewish.  God gave him the call to give up the letter of the law in order to minister and show the lost the way and hope of Christ.

He forgot that when he let the judgements of the law keepers intimidate him and he went back to law keeping.  He was called to task for it by Paul in Galatians 2:11-21   

Acts10 and Galatians2 are 2 separate events, 2 different towns, with 2 differents situatuions

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Joppa beauty, a town in the portion of Dan (Josh. 19:46; A.V., "Japho"), on a sandy promontory between Caesarea and Gaza, and at a distance of 30 miles north-west from Jerusalem. It is one of the oldest towns in Asia. It was and still is the chief sea-port of Judea. It was never wrested from the Phoenicians. It became a Jewish town only in the second century B.C. It was from this port that Jonah "took ship to flee from the presence of the Lord" (Jonah 1:3). To this place also the wood cut in Lebanon by Hiram's men for Solomon was brought in floats (2 Chr. 2:16); and here the material for the building of the second temple was also landed (Ezra 3:7). At Joppa, in the house of Simon the tanner, "by the sea-side," Peter resided "many days," and here, "on the house-top," he had his "vision of tolerance" (Acts 9:36-43). It bears the modern name of Jaffa, and exibituds all the decrepitude and squalor of cities ruled over by the Turks. "Scarcely any other town has been so often overthrown, sacked, pillaged, burned, and rebuilt." Its present population is said to be about 16,000. It was taken by the French under Napoleon in 1799, who gave orders for the massacre here of 4,000 prisoners. It is connected with Jerusalem by the only carriage road that exists in the country, and also by a railway completed in 1892. It is noticed on monuments B.C. 1600-1300, and was attacked by Sannacharib B.C. 702.


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Antioch (1.) In Syria, on the river Orontes, about 16 miles from the Mediterranean, and some 300 miles north of Jerusalem. It was the metropolis of Syria, and afterwards became the capital of the Roman province in Asia. It ranked third, after Rome and Alexandria, in point of importance, of the cities of the Roman empire. It was called the "first city of the East." Christianity was early introduced into it (Acts 11:19, 21, 24), and the name "Christian" was first applied here to its professors (Acts 11:26). It is intimately connected with the early history of the gospel (Acts 6:5; 11:19, 27, 28, 30; 12:25; 15:22-35; Gal. 2:11, 12). It was the great central point whence missionaries to the Gentiles were sent forth. It was the birth-place of the famous Christian father Chrysostom, who died A.D. 407. It bears the modern name of Antakia, and is now a miserable, decaying Turkish town. Like Philippi, it was raised to the rank of a Roman colony. Such colonies were ruled by "praetors" (R.V. marg., Acts 16:20, 21).