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Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 15:36:14Idk why I skipped, maybe just didn't want to post all the scripture.

What do you think freedom is if it's isn't being free of sin? I've heard of slave to sin but not free in sin.

Romans 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

He isn't bearing sin the second time around. What makes you think he's going to be ok with it?

You talk as if I am ok with sin; I HATE SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Is that clear?

Regardless; we are saved by the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ...Salvation is through Him......NOT through me not sinning!

Thank you MeMyself for the scriptures you posted....excellent and manna to you!

Quote from: MeMyself on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 15:59:25
Here are more verses that explain how to attain salvation, Giver, and the importance of Christ dying on the cross to save us.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 1:4 who was appointed the Son-of-God-in-power according to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 4:25 He was given over because of our transgressions and was raised for the sake of our justification.

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made the one who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we would become the right-eousness of God.

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made alive in the spirit.

Hebrews 9:22 22 In fact, we can say that according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified by sprinkling with blood. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.



And, why our own works just don't cut it:
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not of works, so that no one can boast.

Titus 3:5-7 he saved us, not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us in full measure through Jesus Christ our Savior. 7 And so, since we have been justified by his grace, we become heirs with the confident expectation of eternal life.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. (we NEED a savior!)

The importance of believing that He is who He said He is:
John 1:12 But to all who have received him--those who believe in his name--he has given the right to become God's children

John 3:16-18 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in Him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.


How to be saved:
Romans 10:9-11  If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord,

 

WOW, Giver.  Well, I presented the WORD in FULL, with God's salvation message and standards and you spit on His purpose and plan and call it garbage.  

I see your heels are dug in and you are right in your own eyes.  It appears you think you *are* equal to the holiness of God..so I've only one thing left that I can think of to say to you at this point;

Good luck with that! :(  

Quote from: MeMyself on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 21:03:59


WOW, Giver.  Well, I presented the WORD in FULL, with God's salvation message and standards and you spit on His purpose and plan and call it garbage. 

I see your heels are dug in and you are right in your own eyes.  It appears you think you *are* equal to the holiness of God..so I've only one thing left that I can think of to say to you at this point;

Good luck with that! :( 

I believe it is time to give Giver over to God...like Paul states in Galatians 5:11...Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Paul defended the cross of our Lord; Giver defends himself not sinning...

We all now know what Paul wishes upon those who abolish the cross......ouch!

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 16:07:00

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 15:36:14Idk why I skipped, maybe just didn't want to post all the scripture.

What do you think freedom is if it's isn't being free of sin? I've heard of slave to sin but not free in sin.

Romans 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

He isn't bearing sin the second time around. What makes you think he's going to be ok with it?

You talk as if I am ok with sin; I HATE SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Is that clear?

Regardless; we are saved by the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ...Salvation is through Him......NOT through me not sinning!

Thank you MeMyself for the scriptures you posted....excellent and manna to you!

If you sin unwittingly, you aren't guilty of it. I don't think you are ok with it, most of us here hate it and kick ourselves when we become aware of doing something we shouldn't have been doing, simple commands we just aren't consciously aware of even though we have read them over and over again in the bible.

Don't you ever realize you are doing something you should not have been doing after reading the bible? Not the big things, but the little things we do like not testing spirits because it just isn't politically correct? Or because it's our friend on the internet and so we just agree with their entire lifestyle? Do you love this world? Does this world hate you?

Hebrews 3: 12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called "Today,

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[a] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
  "So I declared on oath in my anger,
  'They shall never enter my rest.'

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 02:56:37

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 16:07:00

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Mon Nov 28, 2011 - 15:36:14Idk why I skipped, maybe just didn't want to post all the scripture.

What do you think freedom is if it's isn't being free of sin? I've heard of slave to sin but not free in sin.

Romans 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

He isn't bearing sin the second time around. What makes you think he's going to be ok with it?

You talk as if I am ok with sin; I HATE SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Is that clear?

Regardless; we are saved by the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ...Salvation is through Him......NOT through me not sinning!

Thank you MeMyself for the scriptures you posted....excellent and manna to you!

If you sin unwittingly, you aren't guilty of it. I don't think you are ok with it, most of us here hate it and kick ourselves when we become aware of doing something we shouldn't have been doing, simple commands we just aren't consciously aware of even though we have read them over and over again in the bible.

Don't you ever realize you are doing something you should not have been doing after reading the bible? Not the big things, but the little things we do like not testing spirits because it just isn't politically correct? Or because it's our friend on the internet and so we just agree with their entire lifestyle? Do you love this world? Does this world hate you?

I understand what you are saying; yes...we all struggle with sin in our life...not that we want to sin, but that sin is in us all by nature.  That is why Jesus came and did what He did for us; He became sin...though He was without sin...and He did that on the cross.  See how important the cross is to the believer...it was there our sins were forgiven, it was there that Jesus brought us back into a right relationship with God.

When we trust in Jesus alone for Salvation...God supernaturally gives us His Spirit; and the sanctification in our lives begin.  Never trust anything but God's grace in you and in others...because we all need His grace.

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 09:06:02
I understand what you are saying; yes...we all struggle with sin in our life...not that we want to sin, but that sin is in us all by nature.

But you don't do the big things like murder and adultery, wanting your neighbors car. But there are things that are a part of our nature like gossiping. Some of us never think twice about it even though we know God doesn't like it and tells us not to do. We keep doing it until we realize it's wrong. Even though we've read it hundreds of times, we just never opened our eyes to it. When we do finally stop gossiping, it just hits us like a ton of bricks, it's Jesus washing us. He's going to continually keep us clean but it also takes discipline on our part, otherwise the bible wouldn't stress the importance of keeping our tongue in control. 

QuoteThat is why Jesus came and did what He did for us; He became sin...though He was without sin...and He did that on the cross.  See how important the cross is to the believer...it was there our sins were forgiven, it was there that Jesus brought us back into a right relationship with God.

Yes, but it's all in vain if we don't discipline ourselves and control ourselves. We have to continually obey God's words still. We aren't excused from deliberately sinning.

QuoteWhen we trust in Jesus alone for Salvation...God supernaturally gives us His Spirit; and the sanctification in our lives begin.  Never trust anything but God's grace in you and in others...because we all need His grace.

Yes and I don't think you are a sinner, you may do some sin unwittingly and that leaves you guiltless. You know the saying, if you keep telling yourself something over and over you are going to believe it and be it. Jesus doesn't want you to be a sinner, the sinners are who killed him, we aren't them. I know you aren't on his opposers side so stop saying you are.

We aren't perfect, God knows this, that's why we are excused by our ignorance. I would rather be blind than think I know the right way. How many Christians have ever admitted to you that they themselves are blind? They don't tell you that do they? But I am telling you that I am blind and that's what keeps me perfect in his love.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 13:26:45
We aren't perfect, God knows this, that's why we are excused by our ignorance. I would rather be blind than think I know the right way. How many Christians have ever admitted to you that they themselves are blind? They don't tell you that do they? But I am telling you that I am blind and that's what keeps me perfect in his love.

This is just the thing; we are not excused...we are all guilty deserving of eternal punishment.  That is why God made a way...His plan of Salvation for us; He sent His Son to die on the cross for our sins...there is no other way to God...no other way to the Father...to other way to eternal life.  ONE way...Jesus.

Being blind of sin is no excuse for a person to think that He or She is good enough to enter the kingdom of Heaven...Jesus in the narrow door, the only way.

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 13:42:45
Being blind of sin is no excuse for a person to think that He or She is good enough to enter the kingdom of Heaven...Jesus in the narrow door, the only way.

That's contrary to what the bible tells me.

John 9: 41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

The pharisees kept insisting the blind man was a sinner, not Jesus.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 13:56:39

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 13:42:45
Being blind of sin is no excuse for a person to think that He or She is good enough to enter the kingdom of Heaven...Jesus in the narrow door, the only way.

That's contrary to what the bible tells me.

John 9: 41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

The pharisees kept insisting the blind man was a sinner, not Jesus.

But now you claim to see...

The narrow door into Heaven in Jesus death on the cross for our sins...do you believe that?

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 14:09:04
But now you claim to see...

When did I say that? I told you that I would rather be blind than say I know everything is right or wrong.

You are sure your way is the right way? I'm not going to debate what you believe however...

I will do my best to constantly correct myself as the spirit moves me. I won't repeat my mistakes when I realize they are a mistake and I will take all of God's words to heart and not just a couple that I believe are my ticket into the kingdom.

You keep repeating the cross, but what are you doing to make it of any value in your life?

All you people with your human reasoning which makes excuses and logistical human exception for doing wrong, need to stop.

Paul told us how impossible it is for man to defeat Satan/sin in Romans seven.  He explained that man just is no able with his will power not to sin.

Paul in Romans eight tells us how it is that Jesus made it possible to defeat Satan/sin.  How is it that so few people fail to see how God made it so we would never sin again?

It seems that people just want to be able sin.  Yet people say they love God.

John tells us that if one sins they have never seen or known God.  Yet sinners on this forum keep insisting that they know God, and love God?

John tells us that if one sins he or she is of the devil, how is it then that people who sin can still say they are God's children?

Sinners take so many of Paul's writings and read them in such a way as to make sinners some of those entering into the kingdom of heaven. 

Peter warned us about such people.

(2 Peter 3:15-16) "Think of our Lord's patience as your opportunity to be saved: our brother Paul, who is so dear to us, told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that is his special gift.  He always writes like this when he deals with this sort of subject, and this makes some points in his letter hard to understand; these are the points that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the rest of scripture a fatal thing for them to do.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 14:27:34
You keep repeating the cross, but what are you doing to make it of any value in your life?

The cross is where our Lord laid down His life for us; the value in the cross is almost impossible to express in human terms...it is where God's perfect plan of Salvation unfolded.  The effect of the cross is Salvation, sanctification, healing and so much more.  We are to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified; God made a way for us to have a relationship with Him through the cross of Jesus.  Everything in the Christian experience must point back to the cross...the cross shook the foundations of Hell and satan's battle was lost.  Satan now must discredit the cross in order to fool the foolish...and destroy the hope of the hopeful.

Please take some time to understand what the cross of our Lord did for you.  It was there that God has given me eternal life...I would say that is of great value in my life.  It was there that God made a way for me to have a relationship with Him...I would say that is of great value in my life.  It was there that Jesus finished the work of Salvation...I would say that is of great value in my life.  It was there that God now can forgives us of sin...I would say that is of great value in my life.  It was there that God showed His love...by giving Himself up for us; I would say that is of great value in my life.

Everything points back to the cross for those who trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of sin...and for life everlasting.

For those who trust in God's perfect plan of salvation; God gives us His Spirit...and He begins a marvelous work in our life; I would say that is of great value...because He shows us right from wrong...good from evil...those decieved and those who have it right.  All...because of the cross of Jesus...

Never trust anyone that is an enemy of the cross; their god is their stomach and their glory is in their shame...

Beware of anyone taking God's plan and making it all about them; for example...I am good, I don't sin, I trust in myself, it is all about me, and so on.  That is satan hard at work to destroy God's perfect plan...and make it about self.  Self always gets in the way of God working in a persons life...

If you have been forgiven of sin, why do you continue to say you are a sinner? Doesn't that nullify the value of the cross in your life?

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 18:43:38
If you have been forgiven of sin, why do you continue to say you are a sinner? Doesn't that nullify the value of the cross in your life?

I said I hate sin...

Nothing can separate us from the love of God; I am His child...saved by grace through the blood of Jesus.  That is where I rest...confident in His finished work and thankful for the work He is doing right now in my life...

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 18:48:23

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Tue Nov 29, 2011 - 18:43:38
If you have been forgiven of sin, why do you continue to say you are a sinner? Doesn't that nullify the value of the cross in your life?

I said I hate sin...

Nothing can separate us from the love of God; I am His child...saved by grace through the blood of Jesus.  That is where I rest...confident in His finished work and thankful for the work He is doing right now in my life...

Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 08:31:38
Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 09:49:23

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 08:31:38
Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Quote from: Ladonia on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 12:12:46

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 09:49:23

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 08:31:38
Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:19:55

Quote from: Ladonia on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 12:12:46

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 09:49:23

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 08:31:38
Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:19:55
Notice sanctity and perfection. 

My witness is that Jesus has made his home in me and he guides everything that I do.  I only do what Jesus tells me to do.  I gave my life to Jesus a long time ago, and he took that life, and does what he will with my live.

That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Quote from: Ladonia on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:44:00

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:19:55

Quote from: Ladonia on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 12:12:46

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 09:49:23

Quote from: MeMyself on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 08:31:38
Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 14:06:04You should know that I have had many revelations from Jesus.  My wife had two visits from Mary the mother of our Lord. 

Ok...this just broke the camels back; and you have been exposed (again) as "one" of many who have been deceived.  Mary...the mother of our Lord; can not...will not...ever visit anyone on this earth.  Are you serious? 

Ephesians 6:11...Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the ruler, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Satan hates the cross of Jesus because of what was accomplished there...beware of anyone who discredits the cross of Jesus; and becomes an enemy of the cross.

Their god is their stomach and their glory is in their shame...the Apostle Paul wishes they would go all the way and emasculate themself...

Giver......God have mercy on your soul

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:47:45

That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Just because you think you are excused from sinning doesn't mean you have a right to slander people. It's a command God has for his  children.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 14:06:04
My wife had two visits from Mary the mother of our Lord. 

Oh brother. 

Quote from: Giver on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 14:06:04
There is a spiritual walk with God that most people don't even know that exist, and part of my job is to bring this knowledge to people.

WOW, so why didn't Jesus cover this that most people don't know about? Did God not get the message clear enough in His word that both He AND His son need this new revelation from you? 

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 15:11:09

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:47:45

That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Just because you think you are excused from sinning doesn't mean you have a right to slander people. It's a command God has for his  children.

Where have I said we are excused from sinning?  Lord help me ...sin hurts others, sin brings pain, sin results in lying and deceit.  Once again, we are to hate what is evil and cling to what is good.  I HATE sin...

But when an demon of darkness is maskerating as Jesus and Mary...fooling others by spreading a false Gospel which is dependent on us not sinnng for salvation...we are called to expose them, and proclaim the truth!

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 15:11:09

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:47:45

That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Just because you think you are excused from sinning doesn't mean you have a right to slander people. It's a command God has for his  children.

By the way...I recall you saying that you are blind to some sins; and that is your excuse for when you sin and don't realize it.  Are you really excused from those sins?

Maybe the cross would mean more to you if you knew Jesus covered them all

'My wife had two visits from Mary the mother of our Lord'


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I would be seriously concerned about this, because whatever visited your wife it wasnt Mary, but probably an evil spirit pretending to be Mary. Mary has died and is with God in heaven, not appearing on the earth.

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 15:58:11

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 15:11:09

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 13:47:45

That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Just because you think you are excused from sinning doesn't mean you have a right to slander people. It's a command God has for his  children.

Where have I said we are excused from sinning?  Lord help me ...sin hurts others, sin brings pain, sin results in lying and deceit.  Once again, we are to hate what is evil and cling to what is good.  I HATE sin...

But when an demon of darkness is maskerating as Jesus and Mary...fooling others by spreading a false Gospel which is dependent on us not sinnng for salvation...we are called to expose them, and proclaim the truth!

Amen.
Those who claim they are sinless and that we all need to be sinless are not reading the Bible. Jesus died for us and became our saviour BECAUSE we are sinners and we always will be no matter how hard we try not to be. None of us will be sinless until we get to heaven. Its arrogant and proud to claim we can achieve what Jesus alone has achieved.

I am always VERY VERY uneasy when anyone claims to have had extra 'divine revelation' that apparently no one else has had. Thats how the cults start. Think mormons.Think Joseph Smith who claimed the very same thing.If any claims are made that are not Biblical then we can safely ignore them.

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 16:32:28If any claims are made that are not Biblical then we can safely ignore them.

John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Is God's will for us to sin? Is God's will for us to continue being sinners? We can't safely ignore God's word. What's so unbiblical about being Holy?

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Thankful, thanks for sharing that about resting in what Christ did, His finished work on the cross.   

A person who sins IS a Christian.  A forgiven follower of Christ.  What a blessing that we don't have to focus on our sin, but REJOICE in our Shepherd coming and finding us!  He will never leave or forsake us, He is faithful and just to cleans us from all unrighteousness, and calls us His own!  He is not grading us by our ability to be 100% perfect, but loving us because we are His sheep.

Matthew 18:12 speaks of His beautiful love for us, His never leaving us if we wander away and His dedication to the commitment to complet the good work He began in the lives of His children.
""What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

Thank you, Lord Jesus!

You need not focus on sin, but you had better focus on walking as Jesus walked.  If you don't you will not enter the kingdom of God.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

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That is all well and good that you can witness to yourself; problem is...many of us as God's children see a different witness...one of lies and deceit...

Just because you think you are excused from sinning doesn't mean you have a right to slander people. It's a command God has for his  children.

Where have I said we are excused from sinning?  Lord help me ...sin hurts others, sin brings pain, sin results in lying and deceit.  Once again, we are to hate what is evil and cling to what is good.  I HATE sin...

But when an demon of darkness is maskerating as Jesus and Mary...fooling others by spreading a false Gospel which is dependent on us not sinnng for salvation...we are called to expose them, and proclaim the truth!

First, I agree with the "false gospel" part of what you say as regards Givers pronouncements here as to his claims that he is not a sinner.


I would ask you however, that with an open mind you consider the case of Padre Pio, a priest who had the stigmata, which are the wounds of Christ. Or maybe the case of Sister Faustina, a nun who claimed private revelations from Our Lord as regards  the "Divine Mercy", a series of revelations detailing the ultimate and everlasting love God has for us. Is it not at all possible that such things could have happened?

As one who believes in the Virgin birth, with the Holy Spirit "coming upon" a Jewish maiden, I am not in a position to discount any thing that God might choose to do. While these private revelations are not considered to be "dogma", they can be accepted by the faithful as communications from God.