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(1 John 3:6) "Anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.

1 Jn 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

 

I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

Quote from: Gomer on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:42:20
1 Jn 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30
Scripture goes on to say that if a person who does know God uses their free will to sin there is no repentance for that person.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Quote from: Gomer on Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 12:22:21

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”

You need to see John was saying if one says he or she says they have never sinned they are liars.

If one is forgiven of all unrighteousness are they not then sinless? Could they then be liars if they say they are sinless?

1 Jn 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."


Those that abideth in Him sinneth not.  The verb abideth is Greek present tense showing that the abiding is ongoing, continuous, sustained, it is not a one time or occasional abiding.  So those that sustain their abiding in Christ have no sins for John said "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."  So those that continue to walk in the light which means they continue to abide in Christ, then Christ's blood continues to cleanse away all sin keeping the Christian "without blame"  Eph 1:4, "blameless" & "without spot", 2 Pet 3:14.

When John says "whosoever sinneth" sinneth being present tense shows that they continue in sin, they live a sinful lifestyle.  They never repented of their sins, did not abide in Christ but continue in sin.

So if the Christian lies yet does not continue to walk in the light, that is, does not repent, he does not continue to abide in Christ, then he does sin.  But if the Christian lies yet continues to walk in the light (continues to repent of sins) then Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins keeping the Christian blameless.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.


Tools to Twist Bible





I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word. 
I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version.  I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

There are any numbers of translations of the bible, and all tend to slant the Word to read such as to verify one theology or another

Hyperbole is also used a lot.  Jesus did not mean that it is just an exaggeration.  Then people will go on and tell one what he really meant.  Tell me how does anyone know unless Jesus told him or her?  If Jesus told them he will tell us also right?

Metaphorically Is used much the same way as hyperbole, and the people who use this tool are of course the experts who can tell one just what Jesus meant.  Wow they must be really intelligent, like us simple people can't read, and understand.

Another tool often used is that part of the written Word is not talking to us.  People don't like what a letter is saying, so then if it is not speaking to them it can be ignored.  They want us to believe that the bible is like our history books.

Separating our spirit from our bodies, as if one is not part of the other.  This tool is used to make our actions not accountable.  Our spirit don't sin so only the body is held accountable.  What is so unbelievable is many people buy into that garbage.     

When certain people, one's who can't stand the truth, have no rebuttals left to block the truth, and after all the false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

  

Holy SMOKES this reminds me of a conversation I just had with a three year old the other day.

"Blah blah and Blah blah rhyme!"
"no, they start with the same sound and end with the same sound, but they *don't* rhyme"
"Yeah, they do."
"No they don't and here is why; blah and blah rhyme, and blah and blah rhyme, but blah blah and blah blah do not."
"They.RHYME!"
"no, they don't..."
THEY!RHYME!"

At this point I realized that though the little one was given Truth, she was more interested in being right, so I said "OOOOOK!" and ended the conversation.  

Thats just like what Giver is doing.  He takes a very few verses and uses them trying to make them stand alone, but forsakes the rest of the messag of God's word, not fully understanding His grace and how amazing it is!  Others have shown him scripture and tried to explain that JESUS is the only way to really and truly BE a Christian, but his heals are dug in that its his own righteousness that will save him.  

Our walk is a process of refining, we will sin from time to time, and God always disciplines us, forgives us and NEVER forsakes us!  He began a good work in us and will be faithful to complete it! (all promises FOUND in scripture, verses that CAN stand alone based on the full message and point of Salvation)

Giver can try and convince people all he wants that we aren't right with God, but he has no authority to do so...his words are empty.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.  Thats what the Word says.  It promises us we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that God will never forsake us.  He says nothing can pluck us from His hand.

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:00:19
 

Holy SMOKES this reminds me of a conversation I just had with a three year old the other day.

"Blah blah and Blah blah rhyme!"
"no, they start with the same sound and end with the same sound, but they *don't* rhyme"
"Yeah, they do."
"No they don't and here is why; blah and blah rhyme, and blah and blah rhyme, but blah blah and blah blah do not."
"They.RHYME!"
"no, they don't..."
THEY!RHYME!"

At this point I realized that though the little one was given Truth, she was more interested in being right, so I said "OOOOOK!" and ended the conversation. 

Thats just like what Giver is doing.  He takes a very few verses and uses them trying to make them stand alone, but forsakes the rest of the messag of God's word, not fully understanding His grace and how amazing it is!  Others have shown him scripture and tried to explain that JESUS is the only way to really and truly BE a Christian, but his heals are dug in that its his own righteousness that will save him. 

Our walk is a process of refining, we will sin from time to time, and God always disciplines us, forgives us and NEVER forsakes us!  He began a good work in us and will be faithful to complete it! (all promises FOUND in scripture, verses that CAN stand alone based on the full message and point of Salvation)

Giver can try and convince people all he wants that we aren't right with God, but he has no authority to do so...his words are empty.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.  Thats what the Word says.  It promises us we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that God will never forsake us.  He says nothing can pluck us from His hand.

When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:40:45

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:00:19
 

Holy SMOKES this reminds me of a conversation I just had with a three year old the other day.

"Blah blah and Blah blah rhyme!"
"no, they start with the same sound and end with the same sound, but they *don't* rhyme"
"Yeah, they do."
"No they don't and here is why; blah and blah rhyme, and blah and blah rhyme, but blah blah and blah blah do not."
"They.RHYME!"
"no, they don't..."
THEY!RHYME!"

At this point I realized that though the little one was given Truth, she was more interested in being right, so I said "OOOOOK!" and ended the conversation. 

Thats just like what Giver is doing.  He takes a very few verses and uses them trying to make them stand alone, but forsakes the rest of the messag of God's word, not fully understanding His grace and how amazing it is!  Others have shown him scripture and tried to explain that JESUS is the only way to really and truly BE a Christian, but his heals are dug in that its his own righteousness that will save him. 

Our walk is a process of refining, we will sin from time to time, and God always disciplines us, forgives us and NEVER forsakes us!  He began a good work in us and will be faithful to complete it! (all promises FOUND in scripture, verses that CAN stand alone based on the full message and point of Salvation)

Giver can try and convince people all he wants that we aren't right with God, but he has no authority to do so...his words are empty.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.  Thats what the Word says.  It promises us we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that God will never forsake us.  He says nothing can pluck us from His hand.

When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

None of those things have been spoken about you.  You have not been denigrated, defamed, maligned, or vilified.  Its truth what is said about your false mesage.

No one is saying that sin is a good fruit.  Sin HURTS!  It is HORRIBLE!  BUT, God disciplines those He loves, cleanses us when we confess our sins, He is faithful when we are faithless.  He WILL complete the good work He began when we accept that Christ is our only way to being right with Him.

That is Truth that can not be rebuked. It is not mine, but it is God's Truth!  It is found in the full measure of scripture!

Your message attempts to make Him a liar.  It says He is only as faithful as we are...yuck!  How sad!

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:40:45
When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

Yes sin is evil.  But every one of us do it multiple times a day.

Sin is anything that misses the mark or falls short in any way of God's glory. In both testaments the primary words translated 'sin' are archery terms that mean to aim at the target and miss. (in old english 'sin' meant that also)

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:50:45

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:40:45

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:00:19
 

Holy SMOKES this reminds me of a conversation I just had with a three year old the other day.

"Blah blah and Blah blah rhyme!"
"no, they start with the same sound and end with the same sound, but they *don't* rhyme"
"Yeah, they do."
"No they don't and here is why; blah and blah rhyme, and blah and blah rhyme, but blah blah and blah blah do not."
"They.RHYME!"
"no, they don't..."
THEY!RHYME!"

At this point I realized that though the little one was given Truth, she was more interested in being right, so I said "OOOOOK!" and ended the conversation. 

Thats just like what Giver is doing.  He takes a very few verses and uses them trying to make them stand alone, but forsakes the rest of the messag of God's word, not fully understanding His grace and how amazing it is!  Others have shown him scripture and tried to explain that JESUS is the only way to really and truly BE a Christian, but his heals are dug in that its his own righteousness that will save him. 

Our walk is a process of refining, we will sin from time to time, and God always disciplines us, forgives us and NEVER forsakes us!  He began a good work in us and will be faithful to complete it! (all promises FOUND in scripture, verses that CAN stand alone based on the full message and point of Salvation)

Giver can try and convince people all he wants that we aren't right with God, but he has no authority to do so...his words are empty.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.  Thats what the Word says.  It promises us we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that God will never forsake us.  He says nothing can pluck us from His hand.

When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

None of those things have been spoken about you.  You have not been denigrated, defamed, maligned, or vilified.  Its truth what is said about your false mesage.

No one is saying that sin is a good fruit.  Sin HURTS!  It is HORRIBLE!  BUT, God disciplines those He loves, cleanses us when we confess our sins, He is faithful when we are faithless.  He WILL complete the good work He began when we accept that Christ is our only way to being right with Him.

That is Truth that can not be rebuked. It is not mine, but it is God's Truth!  It is found in the full measure of scripture!

Your message attempts to make Him a liar.  It says He is only as faithful as we are...yuck!  How sad!So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:50:45

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:40:45

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:00:19
 

Holy SMOKES this reminds me of a conversation I just had with a three year old the other day.

"Blah blah and Blah blah rhyme!"
"no, they start with the same sound and end with the same sound, but they *don't* rhyme"
"Yeah, they do."
"No they don't and here is why; blah and blah rhyme, and blah and blah rhyme, but blah blah and blah blah do not."
"They.RHYME!"
"no, they don't..."
THEY!RHYME!"

At this point I realized that though the little one was given Truth, she was more interested in being right, so I said "OOOOOK!" and ended the conversation. 

Thats just like what Giver is doing.  He takes a very few verses and uses them trying to make them stand alone, but forsakes the rest of the messag of God's word, not fully understanding His grace and how amazing it is!  Others have shown him scripture and tried to explain that JESUS is the only way to really and truly BE a Christian, but his heals are dug in that its his own righteousness that will save him. 

Our walk is a process of refining, we will sin from time to time, and God always disciplines us, forgives us and NEVER forsakes us!  He began a good work in us and will be faithful to complete it! (all promises FOUND in scripture, verses that CAN stand alone based on the full message and point of Salvation)

Giver can try and convince people all he wants that we aren't right with God, but he has no authority to do so...his words are empty.

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you are saved.  Thats what the Word says.  It promises us we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that God will never forsake us.  He says nothing can pluck us from His hand.

When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

None of those things have been spoken about you.  You have not been denigrated, defamed, maligned, or vilified.  Its truth what is said about your false mesage.

No one is saying that sin is a good fruit.  Sin HURTS!  It is HORRIBLE!  BUT, God disciplines those He loves, cleanses us when we confess our sins, He is faithful when we are faithless.  He WILL complete the good work He began when we accept that Christ is our only way to being right with Him.

That is Truth that can not be rebuked. It is not mine, but it is God's Truth!  It is found in the full measure of scripture!

Your message attempts to make Him a liar.  It says He is only as faithful as we are...yuck!  How sad!

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Quote from: DaveW on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 09:02:35

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 08:40:45
When people can't accept the truth, and have no way to rebuke it, and after all their false rebuttals have been exposed as such, they revert to the last tool, which is to denigrate, defame, malign, and vilify the person who has exposed the truth.

Jesus told us to judge a tree by its fruit.  Sin is not a good fruit.  Sin is evil, and anyone who tries to justify one who sins is also evil.

Yes sin is evil.  But every one of us do it multiple times a day.

Sin is anything that misses the mark or falls short in any way of God's glory. In both testaments the primary words translated 'sin' are archery terms that mean to aim at the target and miss. (in old english 'sin' meant that also)

Sin is any wrongdoing, and if one sins he or she is of the devil.  John said that, do you have anything other then your opinion that says John was wrong?

Did I say John was wrong?

I am only saying the definition of sin used earlier in this thread may be wrong.

Quote from: DaveW on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 10:32:02
Did I say John was wrong?

I am only saying the definition of sin used earlier in this thread may be wrong.

Do you really think that missing the mark is a better description of sin then any wrongdoing?

The bible gives us many example of sin, and I doubt many people are confused by what constitute a sin.

Satan my try to disguise some actions, but the Holy Spirit will make sure one does not fall into Satan's trap.

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 07:02:11

Quote from: Gomer on Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 12:22:21

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Quote from: Gomer on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 11:06:28

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 07:02:11

Quote from: Gomer on Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 12:22:21

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

The bible gives us many example of sin, and I doubt many people are confused by what constitute a sin.

Satan my try to disguise some actions, but the Holy Spirit will make sure one does not fall into Satan's trap.


So do you believe that it is impossible for any sort of deception if you are a Christian?

Do you think it is a sin to insist you are right and everyone else is wrong or misunderstands?

Or, is that a sign of deception?

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 11:23:47

Quote from: Gomer on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 11:06:28

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 07:02:11

Quote from: Gomer on Thu Dec 08, 2011 - 12:22:21

Quote from: Giver on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:58:30

Quote from: chosenone on Wed Dec 07, 2011 - 10:43:36


I think you have told us this error enough times giver. Maybe you could talk about something new?

Anyway The Bible says "If we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves the the truth is NOT in us". How many more times do I have to type this verse?

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 10:48:55

Quote from: DaveW on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 10:32:02
Did I say John was wrong?

I am only saying the definition of sin used earlier in this thread may be wrong.

Do you really think that missing the mark is a better description of sin than any wrongdoing?

Since that is what the original langugage means - YES.

QuoteThe bible gives us many example of sin, and I doubt many people are confused by what constitute a sin.

Satan my try to disguise some actions, but the Holy Spirit will make sure one does not fall into Satan's trap.

There are Sins, Transgressions and Iniquities. They each have a unique definition based on the original words.

Sins are missing the mark and are not intentional. You aim at the target and miss.

Transgressions are intentional.  You don't even aim at the target. (sometimes biblically incuded in sins as BOTH end up missing the target)

Iniquities are the trans-generational effects and pre-dispositions from the sins and transgressions of our ancestors. They would include predispositions to certain sins that seem to run in families like domestic violence, anger, alcoholism, sexual perversions .... I doubt any would say that this was not sinful.

So if you are talking about JUST intentional disobedience as being sin, you leave off a LOT.

Quote from: SunSpot on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 11:32:53Do you think it is a sin to insist you are right and everyone else is wrong or misunderstands?

Or, is that a sign of deception?

It COULD be a sign of deception, or of arrogance, or of conviction of the truth.

I think all of us here would INSIST that we are right to someone who said that Jesus never existed, or was not the Son of God, or that HE was NOT born of a virgin. That would not be pride or deception.  But beyond certain fundamental points of faith, it can become sinful, arrogant, deceptive, ...

Quote from: SunSpot on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 11:32:53
The bible gives us many example of sin, and I doubt many people are confused by what constitute a sin.

Satan my try to disguise some actions, but the Holy Spirit will make sure one does not fall into Satan's trap.If I am being deceived then there should be scripture that tells me that.  Yet no one can explain the verses I quote in any other way then what Jesus personally taught to me, and the way I have posted them.

Also I witness that sin is no longer part of my life.  We are told to judge by the fruits produced.  My teaching from God has produced good fruit.  Has the teachings you received about God produced such good fruit?



So do you believe that it is impossible for any sort of deception if you are a Christian?

Do you think it is a sin to insist you are right and everyone else is wrong or misunderstands?

Or, is that a sign of deception?

Gomer,Finally some one has brought up Peter sinning.  Peter after receiving the Holy Spirit was accused by Paul as sinning.  Every Calvinist, and believer in Martin Luther, has to believe that Paul was right and Peter was deliberately committing a sin by not eating with the gentiles.  That is the only defense of their theology that they have.

I sure would hate to have to face St Peter on the last day with the excuse of why I did not accept God's gift of the power to defeat Satan/sin, because I believed Peter committed a deliberate by choosing not to eat with the gentiles.   

I would think Ananias and Sapphira would be very upset if Peter got away with deliberately committing sin seeing what happened to them.

(Acts 5:1-11) The Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 12:01:16
Gomer,Finally some one has brought up Peter sinning.  Peter after receiving the Holy Spirit was accused by Paul as sinning.  Every Calvinist, and believer in Martin Luther, has to believe that Paul was right and Peter was deliberately committing a sin by not eating with the gentiles.  That is the only defense of their theology that they have.

I sure would hate to have to face St Peter on the last day with the excuse of why I did not accept God's gift of the power to defeat Satan/sin, because I believed Peter committed a deliberate by choosing not to eat with the gentiles.   

I would think Ananias and Sapphira would be very upset if Peter got away with deliberately committing sin seeing what happened to them.

(Acts 5:1-11) The Fraud of Ananias and Sapphira

I was referring to when Peter lied in saying he did not know Christ, Mt 26:70-75.

This topic is just a rehash of one from about a week or two ago. Giver posted that one too. Something about  "a Christian does not sin". Whats the matter Giver, didn't have enough space to speak you piece so you have to do it again?

maybe we need to stop posting on such threads. We all know, except giver, that we ALL sin whether we like it or not, so why try to change him? If he is so full of pride that he wants to believe that he is like Jesus and has never sinned, then let him.

Quote from: chosenone on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 12:38:31
maybe we need to stop posting on such threads. We all know, except giver, that we ALL sin whether we like it or not, so why try to change him? If he is so full of pride that he wants to believe that he is like Jesus and has never sinned, then let him.

Yep these type of threads are the unauthorized message of bad news and condemnation that only serve to disturb and trouble the minds of God's people

Acts 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 12:01:16Finally some one has brought up Peter sinning.  Peter after receiving the Holy Spirit was accused by Paul as sinning.  Every Calvinist, and believer in Martin Luther, has to believe that Paul was right and Peter was deliberately committing a sin by not eating with the gentiles. 

OR - Paul totally misrepresented God in blasting Peter for what he did.

Either way - one of them was sinning.

How about when Paul and Barnabas had a falling out in Acts 15-16?  Since we know God wants us to not have ill will for each other and be able to work together (which they could not do) either one or both of them were sinning.

Quote from: DaveW on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 12:59:16

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 12:01:16Finally some one has brought up Peter sinning.  Peter after receiving the Holy Spirit was accused by Paul as sinning.  Every Calvinist, and believer in Martin Luther, has to believe that Paul was right and Peter was deliberately committing a sin by not eating with the gentiles. 

OR - Paul totally misrepresented God in blasting Peter for what he did.

Either way - one of them was sinning.

How about when Paul and Barnabas had a falling out in Acts 15-16?  Since we know God wants us to not have ill will for each other and be able to work together (which they could not do) either one or both of them were sinning.

Being mistaken is not a deliberate sin.  Yet if you want to hang you salvation on such a thin thread, you go right a head.  Remember though that God gave us a way to defeat Satan/sin, so one never has to ever disobey God again. 

What if I sin by lying, claiming to not know God when actually I do know God.  Do I not know God then?  Is it still a sin?

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 13:26:32
Being mistaken is not a deliberate sin.  Yet if you want to hang you salvation on such a thin thread, you go right a head.  Remember though that God gave us a way to defeat Satan/sin, so one never has to ever disobey God again. 

Being mistaken is not a DELIBERATE sin (which is Transgression) but still is a sin, no matter which way you cut it.

DO NOT water down the definition of sin by making it ONLY deliberate.

Catholica - part of the confusion is over the word "know." In Jewish society it meant more than just being aware of something.  It mean close intimate fellowship. That is why it was frequently used  as a euphamism for married sex.

You can know God but if you lie about it the close relationship can be broken and now you no longer "know" Him in that way.

Quote from: DaveW on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 13:30:19

Quote from: Giver on Fri Dec 09, 2011 - 13:26:32
Being mistaken is not a deliberate sin.  Yet if you want to hang you salvation on such a thin thread, you go right a head.  Remember though that God gave us a way to defeat Satan/sin, so one never has to ever disobey God again. 

Being mistaken is not a DELIBERATE sin (which is Transgression) but still is a sin, no matter which way you cut it.

DO NOT water down the definition of sin by making it ONLY deliberate.

Dave only deliberate sins led to death.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.