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David was anointed King about the age of 14-15

He did not become King until the age of 21


The point is this

When David was anointed by God as King, that meant as far as God was concerned he was already King

It seems to me

David having been anointed as King was God's way of saying that David would be King

Now according to the scripture everything I have stated is True

Yet there seems to be a movement afoot in this forum to label these types of scenarios as Calvinism

IMO no one can lay claim to any aspect of the scriptures and no one can designate ownership of the any aspect of the scriptures as belonging to a mortal man.

What the scriptures say they say, like it or not, believe it or not, agree with it or not....

WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY THEY SAY

Paul put it like this

According to what is written: "I have appointed you a father to the multitude of the nations, before God, in whom you believed, who gives life to the dead, and he calls those who are not as though they are.

"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake". (Acts 9:15,16)

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy". (Romans 9:14-16)

Once God says "I will" or "he must" who will undo it?

I agree with both of you Fish and Gospel.  We serve a sovereign, righteous God.
Candy

Quote from: candy on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 14:05:27
I agree with both of you Fish and Gospel.  We serve a sovereign, righteous God.
Candy

And us believing God is Sovereign, believing when God says a thing it's a done deal doesn't make us Calvinist, nor is it Calvinism

It's the Word of God


manna to you both! 

Excellent OP and I agree with all of you. Being the Truth, it is impossible for God to lie!

If we can solely rely on the Word we hear from God, we will have neither control or choice over our lives but will be supernaturally wired for the good, acceptable and perfect things of God that His Word bear.

And, when we solely rely on His Word, we care less about any denomination but will be careful to see all believers establish only in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

As for God saying it, and it being a done deal, Jonah comes to mind right off.

Quote from: Glorious on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 16:17:16
Excellent OP and I agree with all of you. Being the Truth, it is impossible for God to lie!

If we can solely rely on the Word we hear from God, we will have neither control or choice over our lives but will be supernaturally wired for the good, acceptable and perfect things of God that His Word bear.

And, when we solely rely on His Word, we care less about any denomination but will be careful to see all believers establish only in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Quote from: p.rehbein on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 16:55:01
As for God saying it, and it being a done deal, Jonah comes to mind right off.

You both have expressed my sentiments...exactly!

More manna

God is Sovereign...but that doesn't compare to his Omniscience or his Omnipotence or his Timelessness.

And so when God says something about the Future...He hasn't been wrong yet.  It doesn't necessarily mean that God causes the future result of your actions but that He still tells you the truth about the earthly results of your deeds.

Well what about the discourse between the Lord and Moses?.. The Lord was ready to wipe the people out but Moses brought about a change of mind in the Lord and He repented of this.
Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Quote from: Loner on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 18:29:35
Well what about the discourse between the Lord and Moses?.. The Lord was ready to wipe the people out but Moses brought about a change of mind in the Lord and He repented of this.
Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

That is a good question which I believe helps to re-establish a point....

1. Who chose Moses, who ordained him as leader of the children of Israel people?

God!

The obvious point being, God knew Moses heart toward his people, he already knew Moses would intercede on behalf of them...

I'm inferring somewhat but then again keep in mind Moses slew an Egyptian to protect his fellow brothers

2. Look closely at what Moses spoke to cause God to relent

Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.Exodus 32:13

Moses reminded God of what He had said! He reminded God of His promises and the solemn oath He swore unto Himself!

3. God did not promise to destroy them He only threatened

Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened. Exodus 32:14

Obviously a threat that should not be taken lightly but still nevertheless just a threat, not an oath, not a promise

That was a good question ....Manna!

This thread is of great interest and thank you for all the very sound comments.

Rather than my usual explosive approach, and seeing no error in this topic, I would like to get your thoughts on the Moses account, if I may.

The Exodus 34:14 is an anthropomorphic expression, in which the actions of God are explained in language accommodated to human experience.   In fact, God does not repent (Num 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29), if by "repent" is meant to be sorry, or to regret something done, or a decision made; but He does change His purpose if His purpose is conditional and circumstances change to permit it.

A study of passages such as Gen. 6:6; 1 Sam. 15:11; Jer. 18:7-8; 26:3, 13, 19; Jonah 3:10 reveal that "repentance" in regard to Yahweh relates to changes in His dealings with man consequent upon man's change of relationship towards Him.

Your thoughts on such a passage as Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Is of interest in light of the OP.

"A change of God's mind toward us

Quote from: JohnDB on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 18:17:05
God is Sovereign...but that doesn't compare to his Omniscience or his Omnipotence or his Timelessness.

And so when God says something about the Future...He hasn't been wrong yet.  It doesn't necessarily mean that God causes the future result of your actions but that He still tells you the truth about the earthly results of your deeds.

Good point, however there are times that God has ordained certain things to be, and they are; and no power in the heavens, on the earth, or under the earth can prevent what God has ordained.........

first thought would be................"let there be light................"

Quote from: p.rehbein on Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 06:33:51

Quote from: JohnDB on Wed Dec 21, 2011 - 18:17:05
God is Sovereign...but that doesn't compare to his Omniscience or his Omnipotence or his Timelessness.

And so when God says something about the Future...He hasn't been wrong yet.  It doesn't necessarily mean that God causes the future result of your actions but that He still tells you the truth about the earthly results of your deeds.

Good point, however there are times that God has ordained certain things to be, and they are; and no power in the heavens, on the earth, or under the earth can prevent what God has ordained.........

first thought would be................"let there be light................"

Absolutely correct!