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Could it be possible? Most people long for it - those who are in a good marriage often times are saddened when they think of Jesus' words as recorded in Matthew 22:23-32 (also Mark 12:18-27 and Luke 20:27-38).  Even many of those who have suffered through the torments of a bad marriage or who have never married  still long for the ideal of true marriage love.

Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. But about the resurrection of the dead - have you not read what God said to you, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."       Matthew 22:29-32


And if there is no marriage in Heaven, does this indicate that we are without gender when we cross over into the next life? An honest person is going to feel sick about these teachings - way deep inside, it sounds hideous. Others have managed to remove themselves from thinking on these questions and in blind obedience to what church leaders have taught for centuries, have simply told themselves that it won't matter on the other side - we must accept what God has planned for us. But what has God planned for us? Can it be so radically different from this life? Can God take us, snap His fingers and change us in an instant? And if that is true, then why did God institute marriage in the first place? All through the Bible, there are all kinds of stories and imagery referring to marriage - if marriage was so unimportant in the life to come, then why did God place special emphasis on it in this life?

Well, I have good news for all of you - we have simply been taught incorrectly how to view this passage. Yes, that's right - we are interpreting that passage through our literal eyes (understanding) and not our spiritual eyes. Remember, Heaven is in the Spiritual World - and in order to understand correctly how Heaven works, we better get used to viewing things in a spiritual light.

Emanuel Swedenborg, in the 18th century wrote about Marriage in Heaven. Yes, it does exist! For those who are in a happy marriage in this life, they will simply and delightedly continue the marriage on the other side. For those who have failed in marriage and still cling to the ideal of marriage love, they will meet their "soulmate", for it is basically a modern term. But the meaning is very clear in his writings. For those in a marriage that is less than ideal, both parties will meet their respective soulmates and they will be indescribably happy.

Okay, still haven't explained how to look at that passage, have I? In this world, people enter into the marriage for other reasons besides spiritual - there may be spiritual reasons for that marriage, or no spiritual reasons. But there are other elements besides spiritual for marriage - many people marry for financial reasons - for social status, for physical attraction; the reasons are too numerous to try to cite here. The heavenly marriage is based solely on the spiritual bonding of two individuals - and that is why legal marriage on this side is not enough to bond two individuals together here on the other side - there must be spiritual bonding. And that is why when engaged people lose their loved ones in death that they very often say that they were already married in their minds - this is a true statement regardless of the legal or sexual bondings that did or did not take place - the fact that it was a spiritual bonding is what cements them together.

Harry

Even today, most traditional Christians--especially the more conservative and literalistic ones--will tell you that there is no marriage in heaven. This is based on a misunderstanding of a single statement of Jesus recorded in the Gospels of Matthew (22:30), Mark (12:25), and Luke (20:35): "In the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." This isn't the place to give a full exposition of the Lord's words here. However, it is important to realize that the Greek words used this passage are not talking about the state of being married, but about the act of getting married. And spiritually speaking (and Jesus does speak spiritually in his teachings and parables) getting married is something we must do here on earth if we are going to be married in heaven. We'll return to that in a minute.

Those who think this saying of Jesus applies to the state of being married aren't paying attention to what he said a little earlier in Matthew, in his teaching about divorce:

Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let humans not separate. (Matthew 19:4-6)

Now, the things that God does are not temporary, but eternal (see Ecclesiastes 3:14). So if God created male and female, and joined them together into one, then marriage is not merely a temporary joining that lasts for our lifetime here on earth only, but an eternal union that lasts forever in heaven. This is assuming, of course, that a particular marriage is a relationship that was truly made by God, and not a mismatch made by human beings.

Further, as I've already mentioned, in the Bible heaven is often compared to a marriage. And of course, this refers to the marriage of the Lord with the church. But we humans, created in the image and likeness of God, also have in our own individual relationships a likeness of that eternal union of Christ and his bride, the church: we have the marriage relationship of a man and a woman. And like the marriage of Christ and the church, the marriage of man and woman is also eternal.

Harry

So those who never marry on earth will forever be single and never have a "soulmate"?

Hi harry
Firstly, we wont have 'flesh' in the same way, we will have new spiritual 'bodies', and as is said we will be more like the angels.
Secondly, how can we know if a marriage is, like you say, a marriage that is 'truly made by God' or one that is a 'mismatch'? If 2 people get married, then they are married whether they married Gods choice for them or not.
Thirdly, what happens to a couple where one or both were married before, and their ex spouses either died or did something such as committed adultery which broke the marriage covenant? Who will the person be married to? The first wife? The second?
There was a man who hasn't been here for a while, whose first 2 wives died, and he married a third time. I wonder which will be his wife in heaven.

 Now don't get me wrong, I would love to still be married to my husband in heaven, and I cant imagine ever not being married to him, but I just don't think heaven will be the same in that way. There wont be the need for marriage in that sense, because there will be no sex and no children born either.

Quote from: ChristNU on Sun May 20, 2012 - 13:01:29

So those who never marry on earth will forever be single and never have a "soulmate"?

very good point, and also those who married, but whose spouses werent believers and therefore wont be with them? .

Quote from: chosenone on Sun May 20, 2012 - 13:03:47
Hi harry
Firstly, we wont have 'flesh' in the same way, we will have new spiritual 'bodies', and as is said we will be more like the angels.
Secondly, how can we know if a marriage is, like you say, a marriage that is 'truly made by God' or one that is a 'mismatch'? If 2 people get married, then they are married whether they married Gods choice for them or not.
Thirdly, what happens to a couple where one or both were married before, and their ex spouses either died or did something such as committed adultery which broke the marriage covenant? Who will the person be married to? The first wife? The second?
There was a man who hasn't been here for a while, whose first 2 wives died, and he married a third time. I wonder which will be his wife in heaven.

 Now don't get me wrong, I would love to still be married to my husband in heaven, and I cant imagine ever not being married to him, but I just don't think heaven will be the same in that way. There wont be the need for marriage in that sense, because there will be no sex and no children born either.

BINGO!

SpiritualSon,
There are no female angels if you haven't noticed.
Adam was made in God's image that was male and female in attributes. Only after they fell from grace to the lower parts to the dust of the earth with the serpent now as their god, did God give them SKIN as we now have with lusts and reproduction organs so instead of woman coming out of man as God took Eve out of Adam, his better half : ), Now woman would birth children naturally IN PAIN for her curse that her misguided deception brought on her husband.
In Christ we are being restored to how it was in the beginning before the fall for he is the last Adam. Rather God divides us again for companionship or not I do not know. In Christ we are male and female, Jew and Gentile being formed into the ONE NEW MAN that was in the image of God which God is all attributes of them both, so are the angels & fallen angels.
Yet God is male dominate, Head of His household. The angels had never seen a woman before. However they do not marry individuals, but lands of people controlling them in their thoughts using their bodies to carry out their deeds teaching all of their offspring to do their bidding. This is also how we are in Christ, our motherland is heavenly Jerusalem and we being male and female have chosen Christ, the Seed of God to birth in us to become the image of Christ as son's which will be the One New Man that will inherit the bride.
Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall THY SONS marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.KJV


Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.KJV

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

Our true family MUST BE spiritually born again for there are none who are still led by their fleshly lusts that WILL enter the kingdom of God for heavenly Jerusalem must be holy.

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There are no female angels if you haven't noticed.
Adam was made in God's image that was male and female in attributes. Only after they fell from grace to the lower parts to the dust of the earth with the serpent now as their god, did God give them SKIN as we now have with lusts and reproduction organs so instead of woman coming out of man as God took Eve out of Adam, his better half : ), Now woman would birth children naturally IN PAIN for her curse that her misguided deception brought on her husband2


Now which part of the Bible did you get THAT from?

Quote from: chosenone on Sun May 20, 2012 - 16:06:07
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There are no female angels if you haven't noticed.
Adam was made in God's image that was male and female in attributes. Only after they fell from grace to the lower parts to the dust of the earth with the serpent now as their god, did God give them SKIN as we now have with lusts and reproduction organs so instead of woman coming out of man as God took Eve out of Adam, his better half : ), Now woman would birth children naturally IN PAIN for her curse that her misguided deception brought on her husband2


Now which part of the Bible did you get THAT from?

Can you name a female angel, JUST ONE WILL DO?
Was Adam made in the image of God? Was Eve taken out of Adam's side and the two became one flesh? So the attributes of God were divided between the two correct?
Can you tell me how many children Eve had before they fell, were given skin and had sex?

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
KJV

You may not understand, but they did not need covering before they died to God's Spirit the day they received the devil as their god by eating of his foul fruit. They were no longer HOLY, but had shown their disobedience and were found to be naked and ashamed without a garment.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.KJV[/u]

Quote from: chosenone on Sun May 20, 2012 - 13:03:47because there will be no sex

bummer

Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Sun May 20, 2012 - 16:28:23

Quote from: chosenone on Sun May 20, 2012 - 16:06:07
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There are no female angels if you haven't noticed.
Adam was made in God's image that was male and female in attributes. Only after they fell from grace to the lower parts to the dust of the earth with the serpent now as their god, did God give them SKIN as we now have with lusts and reproduction organs so instead of woman coming out of man as God took Eve out of Adam, his better half : ), Now woman would birth children naturally IN PAIN for her curse that her misguided deception brought on her husband2


Now which part of the Bible did you get THAT from?

Can you name a female angel, JUST ONE WILL DO?
Was Adam made in the image of God? Was Eve taken out of Adam's side and the two became one flesh? So the attributes of God were divided between the two correct?
Can you tell me how many children Eve had before they fell, were given skin and had sex?

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
KJV

You may not understand, but they did not need covering before they died to God's Spirit the day they received the devil as their god by eating of his foul fruit. They were no longer HOLY, but had shown their disobedience and were found to be naked and ashamed without a garment.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.KJV[/u]

No where does the Bible say that only after the fall did Adam and Eve get skin and reproductive organs and lusts(and there are godly lusts you know)That is a total fabrication of someones vivid imagination.There is no Biblical evidence of that whatsoever. I really dont know what church is teaching you all of this stuff (well I do actually because you told us) but if I were you I would get away from there asap, because they are feeding you nonsense.

Quote from: chosenone on Sun May 20, 2012 - 13:03:47
Hi harry
Firstly, we wont have 'flesh' in the same way, we will have new spiritual 'bodies', and as is said we will be more like the angels.
Secondly, how can we know if a marriage is, like you say, a marriage that is 'truly made by God' or one that is a 'mismatch'? If 2 people get married, then they are married whether they married Gods choice for them or not.
Thirdly, what happens to a couple where one or both were married before, and their ex spouses either died or did something such as committed adultery which broke the marriage covenant? Who will the person be married to? The first wife? The second?
There was a man who hasn't been here for a while, whose first 2 wives died, and he married a third time. I wonder which will be his wife in heaven.

 Now don't get me wrong, I would love to still be married to my husband in heaven, and I cant imagine ever not being married to him, but I just don't think heaven will be the same in that way. There wont be the need for marriage in that sense, because there will be no sex and no children born either.

When a husband and wife love each other spiritually, that love is from the Lord. Spiritual love is loving the goods from the Lord in the person. When you learn what a person is like, you choice is to love them or not. This goes with the saying of Jesus ,"No one come to the Father but by Me. You cannot love a person's soul.until you know how they behave. We know how Jesus behaved.

Harry

Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Sun May 20, 2012 - 15:57:36

SpiritualSon,
There are no female angels if you haven't noticed.
Adam was made in God's image that was male and female in attributes. Only after they fell from grace to the lower parts to the dust of the earth with the serpent now as their god, did God give them SKIN as we now have with lusts and reproduction organs so instead of woman coming out of man as God took Eve out of Adam, his better half : ), Now woman would birth children naturally IN PAIN for her curse that her misguided deception brought on her husband.
In Christ we are being restored to how it was in the beginning before the fall for he is the last Adam. Rather God divides us again for companionship or not I do not know. In Christ we are male and female, Jew and Gentile being formed into the ONE NEW MAN that was in the image of God which God is all attributes of them both, so are the angels & fallen angels.
Yet God is male dominate, Head of His household. The angels had never seen a woman before. However they do not marry individuals, but lands of people controlling them in their thoughts using their bodies to carry out their deeds teaching all of their offspring to do their bidding. This is also how we are in Christ, our motherland is heavenly Jerusalem and we being male and female have chosen Christ, the Seed of God to birth in us to become the image of Christ as son's which will be the One New Man that will inherit the bride.
Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall THY SONS marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.KJV


Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.KJV

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

Our true family MUST BE spiritually born again for there are none who are still led by their fleshly lusts that WILL enter the kingdom of God for heavenly Jerusalem must be holy.

In the spiritual world there male and female. What makes you believe there are only men in heaven. God created both. Are one of those back woods believes or some one who lives under a rock.

Harry

Angels are of both sexes. Just because the Bible mention no female angels does not mean there is none. Jesus never laughed, but it doesn't say He never laughed. Mary is not the only femals is heaven.

Harry

Look - this whole discussion - both sides - is based ENTIRELY on conjecture and guess.  There is simply not enough biblical evidence one way or the other to say.  

I do not know about you, but conjecture and guesswork are NOT good bases for building a doctrine in my book.

Yes there is the statement of not marrying or given in marriage. Both refer to NEW MARRIAGES.  Someone said there are no female angels and to "prove" it asked the board to name ONE female angel. OK. We see thousands and thousands of angels in Revelation.  Name more than 4 male angels. Ya CANT do it. So we have absolutely NO idea what gender any of them are.

While you are at it, name more than 4 female humans from Genesis 1 thru 5.  By the same logic, Eve must have given birth to everyone prior to the flood.

The truth is on this subject, we do not know and it does not matter one way or the other.  Leave it alone.

Spirituason
I would still like to know, if your theory is correct, who will a person be married to in heaven if they have been marrried 2 or 3 times on earth?
I know a couple who both lost their spouses through death. They are now married to each other. Who will be their spouses in heaven?

That sounds suspiciously like the question the Pharisees used on Jesus to get him to deny the resurrection...

Man and woman were created to become  angels or they cannot be or get married in heaven. Angels are from the human race, and so are the ones in hell. Both an angels and men have a will and understanding. Both are equal to each. angels are not prefect. Only God is prefect. Angels and saints are not to be kneel down and prayed to, like the Catholics do.

I will getting married to young maiden name Joann. We meet at a Fred Astair dance sudio in Miami Fl. 1n 1963. She is not living in this world, but I can feel her thoughs and affection, like ESP or joining of minds. Sometime there is sadness. We are of one mind. Love makes us sad, sadness makes us stronger, and drinking makes us made. I not living in la la land. believing in this. I'm not the one who flew on the coo coo's nest.

Harry

Harry

Quote from: chosenone on Mon May 21, 2012 - 16:22:09
Spirituason
I would still like to know, if your theory is correct, who will a person be married to in heaven if they have been marrried 2 or 3 times on earth?
I know a couple who both lost their spouses through death. They are now married to each other. Who will be their spouses in heaven?

If they both believe in God and obey the Commandments, and  love each other spiritually, they well married in heaven.

Harry

Quote from: DaveW on Mon May 21, 2012 - 16:48:54
That sounds suspiciously like the question the Pharisees used on Jesus to get him to deny the resurrection...

well yes, and He did reply that there are no marriages in heaven didnt He. In other words he was saying that none of us will be married in heaven.

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Mon May 21, 2012 - 23:39:13
Man and woman were created to become  angels or they cannot be or get married in heaven. Angels are from the human race, and so are the ones in hell. Both an angels and men have a will and understanding. Both are equal to each. angels are not prefect. Only God is prefect. Angels and saints are not to be kneel down and prayed to, like the Catholics do.

I will getting married to young maiden name Joann. We meet at a Fred Astair dance sudio in Miami Fl. 1n 1963. She is not living in this world, but I can feel her thoughs and affection, like ESP or joining of minds. Sometime there is sadness. We are of one mind. Love makes us sad, sadness makes us stronger, and drinking makes us made. I not living in la la land. believing in this. I'm not the one who flew on the coo coo's nest.

Harry

Harry

harry I think you need to get some help here. Communicating with dead people is wrong and also angels dont become people! Angels are angels and we are humans. You will not be married to her in heaven I am afraid, because there is no marriage in heaven. I am sure that we will know our spouses there, but the relationship wont be the same because heaven isnt the same as earth.

     First of all, angels are angels and humans are humans and never the twain shall meet.  While angels may take on the appearance of humans they are not.  The devil is the devil because God placed humans above angels.  There is no evidence of human gender among angels, male or female.  The only and slightest hint is in the old testament story of the nephilim when the "sons of God" saw the "daughters of man".  It does not say how the procreation took place, just that it did.  There was no gender until God created Eve.  Eve or woman was created from man so it at least eludes to the fact that females are distinctly human.  I get empowered women and equality and all but, seriously?

      There is no marriage in Heaven in the earthly sense.  Why?  It is totally not necessary.  It is natural to think of getting married as the ultimate expression of love and bonding and it is.  However, marriage is also the ultimate expression of exclusion.  When you take a mate you, more than anything are vowing to "love" no other. 
      Our eternal existence is a changed and completely different existence.  Above all it is the open, complete fellowship with Christ, in the presence of God.  We will experience ultimate and endless love.  We probably all get the ultimate love and fellowship piece on a selfish level and think about it only between us and God or God and us.  That fellowship and love exists for all of us.  You will still love your spouse in heaven even # 2, 3, or 4.  They will love theirs.  You will love and fellowship with your children, relatives, friends, ancestors and even the mailman.  Marriage in the earthly sense is exclusionary and that has no place in heaven just as it has no place with angels.  Love is of the spirit but marriage is of the earth.
      I understand how you may not want to think about a Heaven where you don't or can't love your mate as much anymore because you are no longer married.  You will not love them in Heaven any less.  You just love everyone else just as much.

Quote from: chosenone on Tue May 22, 2012 - 02:49:39
well yes, and He did reply that there are no marriages in heaven didnt He. In other words he was saying that none of us will be married in heaven.

Don't mis quote scripture.  He did not say there would be no marriages, he said they neither marry (men) or are given in marriage (women).  That refers to a wedding ceremony.  IOW, no NEW marriages. It says nothing one way or the other about existing marriages.

Psalm 22, you make about 10 assumptions there that have absolutely no basis in scripture whatsoever and you are using them like established facts.  stop it.

"The devil is the devil because God placed humans above angels. " Where does it say that?

"There was no gender until God created Eve. " Where does it say that?

I could go on but there is no point.  You are filling in details where none exist. I will say it again: Stop it.  Where scripture is silent we should be silent also.

I believe God is all about family. We as family members long to be united with each other in heaven and I believe that those who know Christ will experience that. I believe we will all meet up with an infinite number of people we are connected to in various ways, apart from familial connections as well. No one who dies will not be welcomed by a company of saints who do not know him.

Because God is all about family, I have confidence that I will be one day united with all my family members who have gone before me, all the way back to Adam. It is fascinating to think about!

As for my husband, I believe we will always be together, but not in the fleshly way we are in these bodies. We will know each other and love each other, and perhaps live with or close to each other, but we will have so much room in our lives for everyone! What a wonderful forever we shall have!

 

Lively Stone

Thank you For agree with me. Marriage is not a sin or something dirty.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/swd/cjl/index.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/swd/index.htm

Harry

Quote from: DaveW on Mon May 21, 2012 - 13:24:38
Look - this whole discussion - both sides - is based ENTIRELY on conjecture and guess.  There is simply not enough biblical evidence one way or the other to say. 

I do not know about you, but conjecture and guesswork are NOT good bases for building a doctrine in my book.

Yes there is the statement of not marrying or given in marriage. Both refer to NEW MARRIAGES.  Someone said there are no female angels and to "prove" it asked the board to name ONE female angel. OK. We see thousands and thousands of angels in Revelation.  Name more than 4 male angels. Ya CANT do it. So we have absolutely NO idea what gender any of them are.

While you are at it, name more than 4 female humans from Genesis 1 thru 5.  By the same logic, Eve must have given birth to everyone prior to the flood.

The truth is on this subject, we do not know and it does not matter one way or the other.  Leave it alone.

When a whoremonger enters the spiritual world after death, and learns that there are marriages in heaven. He tells the angels if he had known that there were marriages in heaven, he would had shun whore mongering. There are Catholic men who go a whore mongering after whores because they are being told by Priest there are no marriages in heaven.

Harry

Quote from: SpiritualSon on Sat Jun 16, 2012 - 20:17:19

Quote from: DaveW on Mon May 21, 2012 - 13:24:38
Look - this whole discussion - both sides - is based ENTIRELY on conjecture and guess.  There is simply not enough biblical evidence one way or the other to say. 

I do not know about you, but conjecture and guesswork are NOT good bases for building a doctrine in my book.

Yes there is the statement of not marrying or given in marriage. Both refer to NEW MARRIAGES.  Someone said there are no female angels and to "prove" it asked the board to name ONE female angel. OK. We see thousands and thousands of angels in Revelation.  Name more than 4 male angels. Ya CANT do it. So we have absolutely NO idea what gender any of them are.

While you are at it, name more than 4 female humans from Genesis 1 thru 5.  By the same logic, Eve must have given birth to everyone prior to the flood.

The truth is on this subject, we do not know and it does not matter one way or the other.  Leave it alone.

When a whoremonger enters the spiritual world after death, and learns that there are marriages in heaven. He tells the angels if he had known that there were marriages in heaven, he would had shun wh*re mongering. There are Catholic men who go a wh*re mongering after whores because they are being told by Priest there are no marriages in heaven.

Harry

Such men are not saved. Doesn't anyone preach righteousness nowadays?

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat May 26, 2012 - 22:30:48
I believe God is all about family. We as family members long to be united with each other in heaven and I believe that those who know Christ will experience that. I believe we will all meet up with an infinite number of people we are connected to in various ways, apart from familial connections as well. No one who dies will not be welcomed by a company of saints who do not know him.

Because God is all about family, I have confidence that I will be one day united with all my family members who have gone before me, all the way back to Adam. It is fascinating to think about!

As for my husband, I believe we will always be together, but not in the fleshly way we are in these bodies. We will know each other and love each other, and perhaps live with or close to each other, but we will have so much room in our lives for everyone! What a wonderful forever we shall have!

Hi Lively,

This sounds about right (or rather what I believe).  I might add that when one is reunited with family all the way back to Adam, other relationships spring up and we embrace all our cousins, 2nd cousins, third, fourth, etc.

We are all family;  brothers and sisters of one Father.  Our love will be like that of children, untainted by the unnecessary need for more as we have on earth.  Our love will not be a jealous love but an inclusive one.

Given the day, I honor not only my earthly father, but my Father in heaven.

Warmest wishes,
Carey.

Quote from: DaveW on Sat May 26, 2012 - 22:20:47

Quote from: chosenone on Tue May 22, 2012 - 02:49:39
well yes, and He did reply that there are no marriages in heaven didnt He. In other words he was saying that none of us will be married in heaven.

Don't mis quote scripture.  He did not say there would be no marriages, he said they neither marry (men) or are given in marriage (women).  That refers to a wedding ceremony.  IOW, no NEW marriages. It says nothing one way or the other about existing marriages.

Hi Dave,

Some thoughts.

Perhaps if one is to take the scripture as it stands alone, your point may remain unchallenged.  

Matthew 22:  (NIV)
29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

However, given that this is in answer to a question, that question should be brought into context and gives rise to IMO the quite logical conclusion that my wife will no longer be my wife.

I do not fear such an arrangement as my love for her is so much more than the sexual; the jealous love of the flesh.   I take solace that the strongest part of our love shall remain, for that is what I value most.

Cheers,
Carey.

Quote from: Carey on Sun Jun 17, 2012 - 09:00:26

Quote from: Lively Stone on Sat May 26, 2012 - 22:30:48
I believe God is all about family. We as family members long to be united with each other in heaven and I believe that those who know Christ will experience that. I believe we will all meet up with an infinite number of people we are connected to in various ways, apart from familial connections as well. No one who dies will not be welcomed by a company of saints who do not know him.

Because God is all about family, I have confidence that I will be one day united with all my family members who have gone before me, all the way back to Adam. It is fascinating to think about!

As for my husband, I believe we will always be together, but not in the fleshly way we are in these bodies. We will know each other and love each other, and perhaps live with or close to each other, but we will have so much room in our lives for everyone! What a wonderful forever we shall have!

Hi Lively,

This sounds about right (or rather what I believe).  I might add that when one is reunited with family all the way back to Adam, other relationships spring up and we embrace all our cousins, 2nd cousins, third, fourth, etc.

We are all family;  brothers and sisters of one Father.  Our love will be like that of children, untainted by the unnecessary need for more as we have on earth.  Our love will not be a jealous love but an inclusive one.

Given the day, I honor not only my earthly father, but my Father in heaven.

Warmest wishes,
Carey.

I believe that, too! I also think that we will all be situated in the Kingdom in a kind of beehive fashion, kind of like the hexagonal abutting, where our dwelling places will all connect with family all they way back to Adam. It will be fascinating to know where my lineage threaded from!

Quote from: DaveW on Sat May 26, 2012 - 22:29:30
Psalm 22, you make about 10 assumptions there that have absolutely no basis in scripture whatsoever and you are using them like established facts.  stop it.

"The devil is the devil because God placed humans above angels. " Where does it say that?

"There was no gender until God created Eve. " Where does it say that?

I could go on but there is no point.  You are filling in details where none exist. I will say it again: Stop it.  Where scripture is silent we should be silent also.

Is this not a debate?  Yes, assumptions, interpretations and many other things lead to conclusions and ultimately opinion.  What I have shared is mine and in a debate I do not feel that a disclosure that what I say is my opinion is necessary.

There was no gender until God created Eve.

Genisis 2:

18Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; (S)I will make him a helper

• suitable for him.

Isaiah 65:20 says there will be babies born in Heaven.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:54:25
Isaiah 65:20 says there will be babies born in Heaven.

Isaiah 65:20 describes the Millennial Reign, where mortal people will continue to marry and have children.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 22:28:55

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:54:25
Isaiah 65:20 says there will be babies born in Heaven.

Isaiah 65:20 describes the Millennial Reign, where mortal people will continue to marry and have children.

Isaiah 65:17 says it is the New Earth.