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Quote from: grace on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 21:21:47
In James 2:16
It says that the body without the spirit is dead. It does not say the spirit dies, does it? Just the body!

Hi Grace.

and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? (Jas 2:16)

You might have done it again?

A.

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:08:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:26:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

By the way Jimmy my understanding of "good" is very good.

By the way Alethos you understanding of "good" is not very good.

No Jimmy what is not good is one simply saying its not good without providing any substance to support their claim.

Can you be taken seriously?...I want to but as it stands...

Quote from: Tyler on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:21:42

You need to dig a little deeper and get a handle on the Word before you shoot from the hip poster.....
Verse nine of Revelation six embraces a complex sentence of three clauses.

The independent member affirms, "I saw the souls..."
When he saw the souls is testified to in the verb clause, "when he opened the fifth seal."

Where the souls were that he saw is designated by the prepositional phrase, "under the alter."
These "souls" that John saw were secure under the alter, "the place of sacrifice."

To point out more definitely which "souls" he saw the apostle introduces the attributive
perfect passive participle "the ones having been slaughtered." Why they were slaughtered appears in
two adverb phrases with accusative, "because of the word of God" and because of the testimony..."
This "testimony" as described by an adjective dependent clause..."which they were having."

Tyler,

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls (lives) of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.

They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
(Rev 20:4)

It must have been a terrible vision to see these people who were decapitated, all the while "joyful" in watching them (their bodies) come to life once more? i.e ressurection!

By the way what do your immortal "souls" look like Tyler?

(note: the first ressurection is yet to take place - - that requires the Masters return)

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 00:31:52

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:08:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:26:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

By the way Jimmy my understanding of "good" is very good.

By the way Alethos you understanding of "good" is not very good.

No Jimmy what is not good is one simply saying its not good without providing any substance to support their claim.

Can you be taken seriously?...I want to but as it stands...

You can take me seriously or not.  That is up to you.  But for what it is worth, more and more lately, I have quit taking you seriously.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

Soooooo

In Cliff note fashion Alethos:

What theology are you stating here?

How does this theology show that God is GOOD?

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:43:17
Soooooo

In Cliff note fashion Alethos:

What theology are you stating here?

How does this theology show that God is GOOD?

John, what theology does not present God as being GOOD?

Of course you must find a theology which understand a Jesus who does not possess inherent GOODNESS.

For only ONE was GOOD...but now there are two.

Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 07:47:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

You mean by foolish people who disagree with you?

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:43:38

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 07:47:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

You mean by foolish people who disagree with you?

No. You don't agree that thread went off topic?

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:46:35

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:43:38

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 07:47:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

You mean by foolish people who disagree with you?

No. You don't agree that thread went off topic?

Jimmy, the topic has been locked due to offensive posts. It was dealing with devils and demons 

Are you ok?

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:46:35

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:43:38

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 07:47:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

You mean by foolish people who disagree with you?

No. You don't agree that thread went off topic?

So what? That doesn't affect what I posted.

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34
-Jesus is not God

Nothing short of heresy!!

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:58:04

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:46:35

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:43:38

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 07:47:34

Quote from: Jimmy on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 06:26:15

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 01:01:46

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 22:10:24

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 20:06:41

Quote from: Jimmy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:36:36

Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 03, 2012 - 19:18:58

Jimmy, a word of advice.

Try to narrow your thoughts to the subject at hand, which is concerning the soul. The Bible will teach you all you need to know about this subject if you remain focused.

A.

A.. Most of that is simply your own conjecture.  Perhaps you should take your own advice.  If you would simply do a search on the word "soul" in the OT and/or the NT I think you would find that it is you who have confused what the Bible actually says about the soul.

I can't be certain what your religious/theological background and experience is, but I think some of it is a bit weird.  You remind me of the person here some time past who actually said that a mother nursing and caring for her baby could not be considered "good" if she were not a Christian. But of course that person failed to understand the biblical usages of the word "good".  You also are confused about that as well.  And you are similarly confused about the biblical usages of the would "soul".

If this is how you think and you suggest your understanding is clear why dont you post some of these "soul" verses which support your belief.

I did that already on page 10 of the "dividing of body, soul and spirit"  thread.

Its not worthy of being reposted?

You are too lazy to go to thread mentioned?

No the other thread has been taken over by foolish rivalries.

At leat this OP is still on topic...well almost

You mean by foolish people who disagree with you?

No. You don't agree that thread went off topic?

So what? That doesn't affect what I posted.

At least this OP is still on topic.....well almost  

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

That is NOT what Jesus said.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

How about a simple "yes" or "no" answer?

and that is ALL I want.

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:01:41

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:04:07

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:01:41

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Yep. Jesus is good, and Jesus is God. A clear proclamation of His own deity.

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:03:55

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

How about a simple "yes" or "no" answer?

and that is ALL I want.

No....Jesus could never be God nor could he ever become God.

How can the created become the creator?

A Son could never become the Father but it was sufficient that he become like his Father.

A.

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:07:35

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:04:07

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:01:41

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Yep. Jesus is good, and Jesus is God. A clear proclamation of His own deity.

If this allows you to sleep easy...if its any consolation I understand why it is you hold on to these beliefs so tightly.

But imagine the discovery if you opened your mind to a deeper truth.

Yeshua said to him, "Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus has a God.

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:11:28

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:07:35

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:04:07

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:01:41

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Yep. Jesus is good, and Jesus is God. A clear proclamation of His own deity.

If this allows you to sleep easy...if its any consolation I understand why it is you hold on to these beliefs so tightly.

But imagine the discovery if you opened your mind to a deeper truth.

It does allow me to sleep easy, thank you. I am glad you understand why I hold to biblical Christian beliefs...seeing how I am a Christian.

I would rather imagine what you might discover if you would open your mind to the Truth, the only God our Savior, Jesus Christ (Jude 1:25).

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Jesus has a God

Hear oh Israel
The Lord
The Lord God is one.

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:25:06

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:11:28

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:07:35

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:04:07

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:01:41

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:00:27

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:57:56

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:51:34

Quote from: ChristNU on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:44:18

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:37:11

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 08:13:05
Are you stating that Jesus wasn't God but became God?

The text is very clear that Jesus attributed something to his Father that he himself did not possess.

The question you should ask is what was not good in Christ?

Did Jesus say that He was not good? You are making an assumption based on your pre-conceived notions.

Actually, this is one of the clearer passages of Jesus proclaiming His deity. Only God is good, Jesus is good, therefore Jesus is God.

Some serious deception going on there.

18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God

-Jesus is not God
-Jesus rebukes for even implying he is good
-jesus moves his focus to the sole source of good -- God his Father.

Straight forward really.

You are reading your own prejudice into it. There is no rebuke and there is no denial of His own inherent goodness. There is simply the question the leads to the truth. Why call Jesus good if God alone is good? Why indeed.

Don't call me good only One is good that is God.

Your still reading into it. He does not say not to call Him good.

And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

Yep. Jesus is good, and Jesus is God. A clear proclamation of His own deity.

If this allows you to sleep easy...if its any consolation I understand why it is you hold on to these beliefs so tightly.

But imagine the discovery if you opened your mind to a deeper truth.

It does allow me to sleep easy, thank you. I am glad you understand why I hold to biblical Christian beliefs...seeing how I am a Christian.

I would rather imagine what you might discover if you would open your mind to the Truth, the only God our Savior, Jesus Christ (Jude 1:24).

This is Jude 24

24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy

Quote from: JohnDB on Mon Jun 04, 2012 - 09:27:58
Hear oh Israel
The Lord
The Lord God is one.

Yes John

Not 2 or 3

ONE LORD