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SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwzbcMXpSQ

Quote from: lesjude on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 17:30:56
SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwzbcMXpSQ

This new invasion true or false? And then I must ask how this would edify anyone?

1 Corinthians 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

Quote from: larry2 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:19:08

Quote from: lesjude on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 17:30:56
SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwzbcMXpSQ

This new invasion true or false? And then I must ask how this would edify anyone?

1 Corinthians 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

It is false and edifies no one. In fact many are demon oppressed as a result.

Many of the manifestations attributed to the Holy Spirit just make me shake my head. (no pun intended)

I believe many are deceived and outright frauds in the leadership. As to the sheep, I believe most sincere but are victims of hypnotic suggestion, and indeed some events are of demons.

The unfortunate result is a hardening of the heart towards those events that do indeed come from God; that edify His flock.

Carey.

Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

You mean organ type hymns?

What I notice is that these traditional type hymns are often saying that Christian  rap  Christian rock e.g is evil, but yet they have no authority to say that the organ and hymn type singing is of God.

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Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 16:16:52

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

You mean organ type hymns?

No. Usually it is contemporary worship. The devil is not interested in most denominational churches.

QuoteWhat I notice is that these traditional type hymns are often saying that Christian  rap  Christian rock e.g is evil, but yet they have no authority to say that the organ and hymn type singing is of God.

In our fellowships most singing is right out of the Psalms. Many of the old hymns are anointed. Christian rap and rock is the same  source as secular rock and rap. The world, the flesh and the devil.

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 17:11:10

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Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 16:16:52

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

You mean organ type hymns?

No. Usually it is contemporary worship. The devil is not interested in most denominational churches.

QuoteWhat I notice is that these traditional type hymns are often saying that Christian  rap  Christian rock e.g is evil, but yet they have no authority to say that the organ and hymn type singing is of God.

In our fellowships most singing is right out of the Psalms. Many of the old hymns are anointed. Christian rap and rock is the same  source as secular rock and rap. The world, the flesh and the devil.

As God is the God of music, its Creator, who created music as a way to bring glory to Himself, I shouldn't think that when Spirit-filled people create music by His inspiration they are succumbing to the world. In truth, we are like King David who marched right into the Amelikites' camp and took back what was stolen from him. So...we are consistently taking back what rightfully belongs to God which was stolen by Satan, and worshiping Him! (1 Samuel 30:18)


This is how it should be!

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 22:06:02

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

I am glad that you were able to do that, but I do question the label that is given to these spirits of falseness. They are just mocking, religious spirits assigned to mimic the work of Holy Spirit.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 23:09:30

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 22:06:02

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

I am glad that you were able to do that, but I do question the label that is given to these spirits of falseness. They are just mocking, religious spirits assigned to mimic the work of Holy Spirit.

I agree that these spirits are just as Lively has explained.  
At the same time, I know that our old church went awry when they began to try and "force" the Holy Spirit into people. It was exactly an abuse directed by the flesh.  Exhortation; and meanwhile with the pastors and leaders ordering the repetition of the same song if the congregation wasn't sufficiently moved. (As a defining example...) We did feel God's presence slowly disappearing from this church, and the characteristics of a cult mentality and emotionality taking His place over time.  I see this as the warning intrinsic in LesJude's OP.
I personally saw nothing I could discern as demonic in this church. But there did come into existence a void, and later a (technically) criminal prosecution brought them ill repute within the community.  The husband of the husband/wife pastor team abused his position of authority within the jail ministry; and committed adultery.  It's all just very, very saddening.  
Regarding Kundalini, the Holy Spirit will not be counterfeited.  Beware of what does come as a counterfeit.

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 23:09:30

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 22:06:02

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

I am glad that you were able to do that, but I do question the label that is given to these spirits of falseness. They are just mocking, religious spirits assigned to mimic the work of Holy Spirit.

http://www.snakespirit.webs.com/
http://www.virtualcs.com/blackboard/lessons/types/kundalinitype.htm

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 17:11:10

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Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 16:16:52

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

You mean organ type hymns?

No. Usually it is contemporary worship. The devil is not interested in most denominational churches.

QuoteWhat I notice is that these traditional type hymns are often saying that Christian  rap  Christian rock e.g is evil, but yet they have no authority to say that the organ and hymn type singing is of God.

In our fellowships most singing is right out of the Psalms. Many of the old hymns are anointed. Christian rap and rock is the same  source as secular rock and rap. The world, the flesh and the devil.

Depends on what song it is, I find that a lot of secular music reminds me of Jesus.

If your church sings psalms then great, but when a person raps those psalms why call Gods work the devils.

Quote from: FireSword on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 16:16:06

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 17:11:10

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Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 16:16:52

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

You mean organ type hymns?

No. Usually it is contemporary worship. The devil is not interested in most denominational churches.

QuoteWhat I notice is that these traditional type hymns are often saying that Christian  rap  Christian rock e.g is evil, but yet they have no authority to say that the organ and hymn type singing is of God.

In our fellowships most singing is right out of the Psalms. Many of the old hymns are anointed. Christian rap and rock is the same  source as secular rock and rap. The world, the flesh and the devil.

Depends on what song it is, I find that a lot of secular music reminds me of Jesus.

If your church sings psalms then great, but when a person raps those psalms why call Gods work the devils.

http://youtu.be/KnDm3qr1Knk

Quote from: lesjude on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 19:38:22

Quote from: FireSword on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 16:16:06

Depends on what song it is, I find that a lot of secular music reminds me of Jesus.

If your church sings psalms then great, but when a person raps those psalms why call Gods work the devils.

http://youtu.be/KnDm3qr1Knk

My son would roll his eyes at such,  How about this, I am not overly fond of rap but there is a certain beauty in this one.

It is interesting that it says in scripture it was a "tree". There is some evidence that it was a green tree, not on "Calvary" but the Mount of Olives which is the only place they could look into the temple. Jesus carried the cross arm not the whole cross which he was nailed to and  then it was spiked to the green tree with the thieves on the same  tree. The tree was an almond tree just like Moses' rod that budded which was originally taken from the tree of life which was in the garden.

Quote from: lesjude on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 15:52:30

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 23:09:30

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 22:06:02

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

I am glad that you were able to do that, but I do question the label that is given to these spirits of falseness. They are just mocking, religious spirits assigned to mimic the work of Holy Spirit.

http://www.snakespirit.webs.com/
http://www.virtualcs.com/blackboard/lessons/types/kundalinitype.htm

I don't think these are appropriate sites. They are alarmist and exaggerated, and are created to instill fear. We know already that there are demonic spirits that mock the manifestations of Holy Spirit. They are no match for the real thing. those of us who are Spirit-filled know how to take care of them in short shrift.

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

I've seen the same song sung over and over. Very powerful and hypnotic!

New age music depends on the music in question, I think. Some artists labeled as new age don't even consider themselves as new age.

Quote from: lesjude on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 17:30:56
SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0&NR=1&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwzbcMXpSQ

One thing I like about the Bible, it roots out so many falsehoods. Although the videos seem true, we don't need them. The behavior described in the first video I saw does not exist within the NT text describing the church. Hence, it's false.

Quote from: e.r.m. on Fri Jul 06, 2012 - 12:19:20

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

I've seen the same song sung over and over. Very powerful and hypnotic!

really? For me, it was annoying and I started zoning out thinking about luuuuunnnnchhhh...

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Jul 06, 2012 - 13:34:35

Quote from: e.r.m. on Fri Jul 06, 2012 - 12:19:20

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jun 22, 2012 - 16:02:32
Amen.
I think it is  the new age type music that hypnotizes as well as singing the same song over and over for long periods even if it is Christian song.

I've seen the same song sung over and over. Very powerful and hypnotic!

really? For me, it was annoying and I started zoning out thinking about luuuuunnnnchhhh...

Ahaha! :D
Maybe there's a trick to it!

Any mode of media, entertainment, learning can be a way of evil.  Anything can be an avenue for Satan and his minions to work on our minds and souls.  However, music to me is a wonderful technique to sing God's praises or to be filled with His joy.  I don't care for rap or rock music whether it is Christian or not.  However, different groups of people prefer different ways to worship and praise God.  Evil comes in many forms and yes I believe there are times when evil may try to enter into the Body of Christ through our flesh.   We see evidence of this in the churches, christian schools, public schools through the discovery of evil people in the midst.  If I were a kid today, I would wonder just whom I could trust in a leadership position.  Just saying.

Quote from: jmldn2 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 - 15:32:49
Any mode of media, entertainment, learning can be a way of evil.  Anything can be an avenue for Satan and his minions to work on our minds and souls.  However, music to me is a wonderful technique to sing God's praises or to be filled with His joy.  I don't care for rap or rock music whether it is Christian or not.  However, different groups of people prefer different ways to worship and praise God.  Evil comes in many forms and yes I believe there are times when evil may try to enter into the Body of Christ through our flesh.   We see evidence of this in the churches, christian schools, public schools through the discovery of evil people in the midst.  If I were a kid today, I would wonder just whom I could trust in a leadership position.  Just saying.

You're totally right. I found out years later that my 7th grade math teacher molested kids. I was a student aid of his for a day. I quit being his aid because it was too boring. I never knew. Sexual offender websites lists them as everywhere!

Post some more videos of the Holy Spirit .Andrew Storm is the one who is deceived.

Some just don't know that they witnessed the kingdom coming upon in there midst.Sure there is the fake as well.

I am a shaker under the anointing and I would love to have someone cast it out of me. all I would do is shake some more and see them getting more angry at me because the anointing of God would expose there religious spirit.I would be beaming with Joy and they would be getting madder and madder

Here is a test for those who are not sure.Let them lay hands upon me and try to cast it out.Then let me lay hands upon them.They would run a mile or do they really believe the word of God.Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.Its not just word but action.

The lives of people fallen apart throughout the video is not proof that this was not the Holy Spirit.Look at the bible and all others in ministry.

Quote from: bemark on Wed Jul 18, 2012 - 13:07:51
Post some more videos of the Holy Spirit .Andrew Storm is the one who is deceived.

Some just don't know that they witnessed the kingdom coming upon in there midst.Sure there is the fake as well.

I am a shaker under the anointing and I would love to have someone cast it out of me. all I would do is shake some more and see them getting more angry at me because the anointing of God would expose there religious spirit.I would be beaming with Joy and they would be getting madder and madder

Here is a test for those who are not sure.Let them lay hands upon me and try to cast it out.Then let me lay hands upon them.They would run a mile or do they really believe the word of God.Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.Its not just word but action.

The lives of people fallen apart throughout the video is not proof that this was not the Holy Spirit.Look at the bible and all others in ministry.

You get manna for courage! Blessings!

Quote from: bemark on Wed Jul 18, 2012 - 13:07:51
Post some more videos of the Holy Spirit .Andrew Storm is the one who is deceived.

Some just don't know that they witnessed the kingdom coming upon in there midst.Sure there is the fake as well.

I am a shaker under the anointing and I would love to have someone cast it out of me. all I would do is shake some more and see them getting more angry at me because the anointing of God would expose there religious spirit.I would be beaming with Joy and they would be getting madder and madder

Here is a test for those who are not sure.Let them lay hands upon me and try to cast it out.Then let me lay hands upon them.They would run a mile or do they really believe the word of God.Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.Its not just word but action.

The lives of people fallen apart throughout the video is not proof that this was not the Holy Spirit.Look at the bible and all others in ministry.

Kundalini, out in Jesus name!

Quote from: lesjude on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 20:08:55
It is interesting that it says in scripture it was a "tree". There is some evidence that it was a green tree, not on "Calvary" but the Mount of Olives which is the only place they could look into the temple. Jesus carried the cross arm not the whole cross which he was nailed to and  then it was spiked to the green tree with the thieves on the same  tree. The tree was an almond tree just like Moses' rod that budded which was originally taken from the tree of life which was in the garden.

The reason it says tree is because there's only one meaning for Cross

Stauros - a stake or a post - upright


Christ didn't die on a "t" cross like people think..K.. They are taught the traditions of men brought to you by the letter "C" for Catholic church....

But I know well enough that dispite the truth, tradtion will be king!

The cross outside your church is of pagan origin.....

See strongs 4716 for All cross mentions in new testament.

Still who will be first to say this isn't right?

Not based on scripture but traditions of men - you can't get around it


Also the cross Jesus carried was a stauros - only in bible story's and movies does Jesus carry the "cross" piece....

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 21:14:11

Quote from: lesjude on Wed Jun 27, 2012 - 15:52:30

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 23:09:30

Quote from: lesjude on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 22:06:02

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Jun 21, 2012 - 21:46:21
This Kundalini junk is only fear mongering. People  don't realize that Satan mocks the manifestations of the Spirit, and that it is the other way around. Where there are abuses in the churches, all you are dealing with is the flesh, and unwise leaders who do not tell people to stop.

I am sure that some of it is flesh. However I have cast enough of these kundalini/third eye spirits out of people to know much of it is demonic. There was a real positive change in their lives after these demons were cast out.

I am glad that you were able to do that, but I do question the label that is given to these spirits of falseness. They are just mocking, religious spirits assigned to mimic the work of Holy Spirit.

http://www.snakespirit.webs.com/
http://www.virtualcs.com/blackboard/lessons/types/kundalinitype.htm

I don't think these are appropriate sites. They are alarmist and exaggerated, and are created to instill fear. We know already that there are demonic spirits that mock the manifestations of Holy Spirit. They are no match for the real thing. those of us who are Spirit-filled know how to take care of them in short shrift.

      

Kundalini also has

Uncontrolled laughing
barking grunting ect


Just like those in the Toronto blessing.....  And many other Christian churches...

I am a shaker under the anointing


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

not Gods anointing - both shakers and Quakers

Do you people even understand what test the spirits mean?


No where is there shakers in the word of God.... Never did Paul or the others shake or laugh out of control..... If it's not in the word it's NOT from God...

Quote from: KNOWLEDGE BOMB on Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 18:09:39
Kundalini also has

Uncontrolled laughing
barking grunting ect


Just like those in the Toronto blessing.....  And many other Christian churches...

More nonsense.

Are you a JW?

Quote from: lesjude on Fri Jul 20, 2012 - 22:43:54

Quote from: bemark on Wed Jul 18, 2012 - 13:07:51
Post some more videos of the Holy Spirit .Andrew Storm is the one who is deceived.

Some just don't know that they witnessed the kingdom coming upon in there midst.Sure there is the fake as well.

I am a shaker under the anointing and I would love to have someone cast it out of me. all I would do is shake some more and see them getting more angry at me because the anointing of God would expose there religious spirit.I would be beaming with Joy and they would be getting madder and madder

Here is a test for those who are not sure.Let them lay hands upon me and try to cast it out.Then let me lay hands upon them.They would run a mile or do they really believe the word of God.Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.Its not just word but action.

The lives of people fallen apart throughout the video is not proof that this was not the Holy Spirit.Look at the bible and all others in ministry.

Kundalini, out in Jesus name!

Good on you.At least you have faith to believe that you can.Hasn't worked though, still shaking  so maybe one would either come up with the conclusion , that it is of God......or you haven't really gone into the depth of the name of Jesus yet.

Quote from: KNOWLEDGE BOMB on Fri Aug 03, 2012 - 18:18:49
I am a shaker under the anointing


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

not Gods anointing - both shakers and Quakers

Do you people even understand what test the spirits mean?


No where is there shakers in the word of God.... Never did Paul or the others shake or laugh out of control..... If it's not in the word it's NOT from God...

Do you really understand how to test the spirits?  Or how to discern wither or not the kingdom of God is present or not?

I will understand by your words if you do really go into the spirit realm or not and then I can also tell by the spirit realm around you if you do go or not.Paul could Judge those before he went.......something to consider.

I do.... The fact that I use the bible to show that "shaking" is not from the holy spirit... No where do we find believes shaking or laughing out of control..... This is how you test the spirits - the word of God...

you certainly don't think there's another way?