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The reason you are being shunned is because of an identity issue.

Number one:
All Christians are told to abstain from every appearance of evil...doesn't mean that you actually are involved in evil but your appearance suggests otherwise...so guess what? No Christian who does as God wants will go anywhere near you except to witness to you...and when you state that you already are a Christian they are off to greener pastures.

Number Two.
You don't hate your parents or siblings enough by comparison to your love for God. So your love for God obviously needs to go up...otherwise you cannot be a disciple of Jesus' . (Jesus' words and not mine and you really aren't supposed to hate your family either.)
But what I am pointing out is that Jesus is not the foremost thing always on your mind .  You would rather promote to everyone that you feel in a dark mood than to try to show by examples of lovingkindness to everyone possible what God has done for you. Soooo...guess what? Again most Christians will not have anything to do with you.

Number Three.
As a goth your mood is displayed as black...IE miserable and unhappy. Extremely moody people do not attract at all...in fact they repel. People prefer the company of others who are in a happy mood and that are fun to be around...not someone who is about to start crying or really fussy from some kind of thing that is completely unrelated to them.
try going on a five minute tirade of whining and see who wants to stick around for the following five minutes...it ain't gonna be anyone that I know or wanna know...only psychologists might if you pay them enough and even then they want to fix your mood.

Soooo

All in all being a goth who claims to be a Christian is a sure fire way to have such a contradiction in statements that you will be all alone and shunned by everyone.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:06:21

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:03:23

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 12:47:39
I will continue to reply when I have the time. But for now, I must go. I bid you all a very fond farewell

As you probably already know dear, you can find every answer in scripture....and the bible says for us to not argue with others about what they think is right or wrong, because then we might persuade them to do something against their own conscience...SO, don't let anyone persuade you to do what is against your conscience. 

The bible (Paul's writings) tell us to 'be all things to all people'....I would encourage you to read what he spoke about....he spoke a lot about how to minister to different kinds of people. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 and 10:32-33....but Paul teaches a lot about how to minister to many kinds of people, so you might want to spend a lot of time reading his writings.....and also, read the gospels. Jesus went into peoples homes who were despised, and ministered to and loved many kinds of people.  Blessings to you!!

You sure you aren't Vineyard, Gal?  Beautiful post.

I was, lol...but long time ago.  Why do you ask? (jus curious:) Say, Willie, how would you answer someone who would tell this person that they should abandon any appearance of evil? I don't believe that that is what that scripture is saying. Evil would be actually going to a coven for instance....or a strip club...or wearing their clothes without any modesty. Whereas this is something that is in the realm of individuality. I also don't think Paul would teach the things he did if any and all differences among people were 'an appearance of evil' thing. Also, there are many ideas of what evil is. My husband's childhood church believed that it was evil for boys to have their hair longer then the top of their collar, so the men at the church would regularly cut the boys hair.

Blessings!! Willie!

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 18:06:23

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:06:21

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:03:23

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 12:47:39
I will continue to reply when I have the time. But for now, I must go. I bid you all a very fond farewell

As you probably already know dear, you can find every answer in scripture....and the bible says for us to not argue with others about what they think is right or wrong, because then we might persuade them to do something against their own conscience...SO, don't let anyone persuade you to do what is against your conscience. 

The bible (Paul's writings) tell us to 'be all things to all people'....I would encourage you to read what he spoke about....he spoke a lot about how to minister to different kinds of people. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 and 10:32-33....but Paul teaches a lot about how to minister to many kinds of people, so you might want to spend a lot of time reading his writings.....and also, read the gospels. Jesus went into peoples homes who were despised, and ministered to and loved many kinds of people.  Blessings to you!!

You sure you aren't Vineyard, Gal?  Beautiful post.

I was, lol...but long time ago.  Why do you ask? (jus curious:) Say, Willie, how would you answer someone who would tell this person that they should abandon any appearance of evil? I don't believe that that is what that scripture is saying. Evil would be actually going to a coven for instance....or a strip club...or wearing their clothes without any modesty. Whereas this is something that is in the realm of individuality. I also don't think Paul would teach the things he did if any and all differences among people were 'an appearance of evil' thing. Also, there are many ideas of what evil is. My husband's childhood church believed that it was evil for boys to have their hair longer then the top of their collar, so the men at the church would regularly cut the boys hair.

Blessings!! Willie!

I see this Goth thing as a teen phase, much like our black leather jackets, motorcycles, and chains hanging all off us. 

The emphasis for preaching to  all kinds of people made me see Vineyard in you.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 18:49:05

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 18:06:23

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:06:21

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 16:03:23

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 12:47:39
I will continue to reply when I have the time. But for now, I must go. I bid you all a very fond farewell

As you probably already know dear, you can find every answer in scripture....and the bible says for us to not argue with others about what they think is right or wrong, because then we might persuade them to do something against their own conscience...SO, don't let anyone persuade you to do what is against your conscience. 

The bible (Paul's writings) tell us to 'be all things to all people'....I would encourage you to read what he spoke about....he spoke a lot about how to minister to different kinds of people. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 and 10:32-33....but Paul teaches a lot about how to minister to many kinds of people, so you might want to spend a lot of time reading his writings.....and also, read the gospels. Jesus went into peoples homes who were despised, and ministered to and loved many kinds of people.  Blessings to you!!

You sure you aren't Vineyard, Gal?  Beautiful post.

I was, lol...but long time ago.  Why do you ask? (jus curious:) Say, Willie, how would you answer someone who would tell this person that they should abandon any appearance of evil? I don't believe that that is what that scripture is saying. Evil would be actually going to a coven for instance....or a strip club...or wearing their clothes without any modesty. Whereas this is something that is in the realm of individuality. I also don't think Paul would teach the things he did if any and all differences among people were 'an appearance of evil' thing. Also, there are many ideas of what evil is. My husband's childhood church believed that it was evil for boys to have their hair longer then the top of their collar, so the men at the church would regularly cut the boys hair.

Blessings!! Willie!

I see this Goth thing as a teen phase, much like our black leather jackets, motorcycles, and chains hanging all off us. 

The emphasis for preaching to  all kinds of people made me see Vineyard in you.

Agreed!! Something...a phase....someone goes through as they grow and try and find who they are.

lol....Vineyard, yes. I also went to a Calvary Chapel.....but where I got so much of the teaching that I still embrace...very thorough teaching, was Jesus People Church in Mpls. It disbanned a long time ago altho one of the pastors has tried to resurrect it again, to many's chagrin. It was a church that came out of the end of the Jesus movement, and the thirst to know the truth's of scripture there was ravenous. I even wen t to a 5 week bible boot camp and we had 4 hours of teaching everyday. Great teachers came and taught from all over the country. I have wonderful memories...and about what amazing things God did back then when faith was so childlike/pure and immense.

To sum up some things (replying to each and every message is tough): I love God very much, and I don't understand about all the hateing. I never once said I hate someone. Also, being Goth is not a phase I am going though. I have been Goth since I was very little, mind you. Yes, my parents do except it, as long as I am modest.
I am very individual as well, often being told by adults that I am very intelligent (just not spelling wise, heh) and extreamly creative and unique.
I stay away from suicidal music. Some "Goth" bands are very STEREOTYPE or are POSEUR bands, making evil music and wearing all black all the time. Goths don't wear all black all the time (I even wear yellow!), nor are we moody or deppressed. That, dear readers, would be known as an "Emo kid". I can assure all of you, I am much to hyper and quirky to be emo. I do get emotional sometimes (I am not apathetic), but I am certainly not depressed, suicidal, or do I ever cause bodily harm to myself or others.

I understand you. I'm a dark artist. Gothic Art & culture does appear in my art all the time. I have my own dark site. There is nothing wrong with it.

I love to express myself in music and art. It is merely an old hobby for me since i was a child.

I also love dark makeup but I do not overdo it because I do not want to look ugly. I think I look pretty with little black nails and dark eyes.

some Christians can be actually 'Pharisees' and worse. You just have to move on and ignore all the bigots in your life.

I also had to remove my piercing when I go to my church because those are the rules there, but well as soon as I get out I just put them in again.

and I do not mind to leave a church that does not accept me. so just find a more informal church. Jesus said do not judge other based on the outside.

The problem is NA people most of the time are so very religious and close minded. In EU, I had no problems and did not meet bigots in france.

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Question: "What is the Christian perspective on Goth? How should Christians view the Gothic movement?"

Answer: A Christian's viewpoint on the Gothic movement should be avoidance of the culture while loving those involved in it. Yes, there are definitely certain aspects of the Gothic subculture that are incompatible with Christianity, but no more so than similar aspects of mainstream society. The Gothic community identifies itself with artistic darkness—darker clothing, darker writing, darker music. It would seem that all Goths share the same level of devotion to this darkness. However, this varies with the individual. What is important to understand is that, for most Goths, it is a "dark" aesthetic they subscribe to, not darkness as it relates to evil. Wearing black clothing is not inherently sinful. Enjoying art that emphasizes black is not inherently sinful. There is nothing evil about the color black.

The Gothic subculture is no more inherently wicked or wrong than any other subculture. Condemnation of Gothic adherents is usually a knee-jerk reaction to their appearance. We need to be beyond that, though for, like all of us, they are people who desperately need Christ in their lives. Can Goths come to faith in Christ and still involve themselves in a dark aesthetic? If they are glorifying Christ in what they do, possibly. We cannot impose our own spiritual maturity on them. Let the Christian Goth wrestle with his/her ideologies as God brings them out for scrutiny. What we can do is provide them with support, counsel, and love.

Conforming to the image of Christ does not mean you must stop wearing black and dress like every other upper-middle class American / Western European. That has nothing to do with Christianity. It does mean, though, that a Goth's mindset and attitudes will undergo a change, though the black clothes and attraction to darkness might remain to a certain extent. It is the heart that God searches (1 Chronicles 28:9), thus the heart is what we must first look at ourselves, whether it be among Goths, punks, gamers, jocks, etc.


sources:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-goth-gothic.html
http://www.christiangoth.com/

Quote from: Lily76 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 20:23:11

I understand you. I'm a dark artist. Gothic Art & culture does appear in my art all the time. I have my own dark site. There is nothing wrong with it.

I love to express myself in music and art. It is merely an old hobby for me since i was a child.

I also love dark makeup but I do not overdo it because I do not want to look ugly. I think I look pretty with little black nails and dark eyes.

some Christians can be actually 'Pharisees' and worse. You just have to move on and ignore all the bigots in your life.

I also had to remove my piercing when I go to my church because those are the rules there, but well as soon as I get out I just put them in again.

and I do not mind to leave a church that does not accept me. so just find a more informal church. Jesus said do not judge other based on the outside.

The problem is NA people most of the time are so very religious and close minded. In EU, I had no problems and did not meet bigots in france.

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Question: "What is the Christian perspective on Goth? How should Christians view the Gothic movement?"

Answer: A Christian's viewpoint on the Gothic movement should be avoidance of the culture while loving those involved in it. Yes, there are definitely certain aspects of the Gothic subculture that are incompatible with Christianity, but no more so than similar aspects of mainstream society. The Gothic community identifies itself with artistic darkness—darker clothing, darker writing, darker music. It would seem that all Goths share the same level of devotion to this darkness. However, this varies with the individual. What is important to understand is that, for most Goths, it is a "dark" aesthetic they subscribe to, not darkness as it relates to evil. Wearing black clothing is not inherently sinful. Enjoying art that emphasizes black is not inherently sinful. There is nothing evil about the color black.

The Gothic subculture is no more inherently wicked or wrong than any other subculture. Condemnation of Gothic adherents is usually a knee-jerk reaction to their appearance. We need to be beyond that, though for, like all of us, they are people who desperately need Christ in their lives. Can Goths come to faith in Christ and still involve themselves in a dark aesthetic? If they are glorifying Christ in what they do, possibly. We cannot impose our own spiritual maturity on them. Let the Christian Goth wrestle with his/her ideologies as God brings them out for scrutiny. What we can do is provide them with support, counsel, and love.

Conforming to the image of Christ does not mean you must stop wearing black and dress like every other upper-middle class American / Western European. That has nothing to do with Christianity. It does mean, though, that a Goth's mindset and attitudes will undergo a change, though the black clothes and attraction to darkness might remain to a certain extent. It is the heart that God searches (1 Chronicles 28:9), thus the heart is what we must first look at ourselves, whether it be among Goths, punks, gamers, jocks, etc.


sources:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-goth-gothic.html
http://www.christiangoth.com/

Finally! Yes! Someone who understands what I'm going through, how I feel, and who I am.

And by the way, some of you seem to be forgetting that I am a teenager, a young one at that. I am only a child, so I may not understand everything you are throwing my way.

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 20:32:57
And by the way, some of you seem to be forgetting that I am a teenager, a young one at that. I am only a child, so I may not understand everything you are throwing my way.

Flawed....please forgive me for any way that I offended you. Did you read post #33? That is the one that is really from me....my daughter (who is 18 now) went thru a Goth period, and it was a phase for her. You are right, we cannot put people in groups and say they all act a certain way....(but, #33 is very apropos to your situation:)

Blessings!!!

Say, think about going to YouTube and put Larry Norman in the search....he was basically the beginning of Christian rock and many of us were not allowed to listen to him. Put his name in and 'The Outlaw" ...find this song with the lyrics. Also, his others...I listen to him still (I'm 54)

Quote from: ela on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 20:46:01

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 20:32:57
And by the way, some of you seem to be forgetting that I am a teenager, a young one at that. I am only a child, so I may not understand everything you are throwing my way.

Flawed....please forgive me for any way that I offended you. Did you read post #33? That is the one that is really from me....my daughter (who is 18 now) went thru a Goth period, and it was a phase for her. You are right, we cannot put people in groups and say they all act a certain way....(but, #33 is very apropos to your situation:)

Blessings!!!

Say, think about going to YouTube and put Larry Norman in the search....he was basically the beginning of Christian rock and many of us were not allowed to listen to him. Put his name in and 'The Outlaw" ...find this song with the lyrics. Also, his others...I listen to him still (I'm 54)

No no no no, *smiles* ma'am you didn't offend me one bit. I was just honestly admitting I don't understand some details about what some people have told me. I was just saying I am young and I know for a fact I am not smarter than adults, so I may need to have a few things broken down for me in simpler statements to where I can know what you all are talking about, that's all.

Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

But you dig the night (no sun).  How confusing life is going to get for you if you find a church that says to "walk in the light".

Oh, we gotta get this worked out.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:33:11

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

But you dig the night (no sun).  How confusing life is going to get for you if you find a church that says to "walk in the light".

Oh, we gotta get this worked out.

Yes, I "dig" the night (and the moon), but I never said I didn't also "dig" the morning (and the sun) as well! Get your facts set straight, goodness me. 

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:36:18

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:33:11

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

But you dig the night (no sun).  How confusing life is going to get for you if you find a church that says to "walk in the light".

Oh, we gotta get this worked out.

Yes, I "dig" the night (and the moon), but I never said I didn't also "dig" the morning (and the sun) as well! Get your facts set straight, goodness me. 

Hummmm.... the moon is white...... so you wear black, and white, and yellow.  I think we have an even bigger problem here.  That's a bummer of a fashion statement.

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

Hey, the kid's killin' me.  I can hardly keep up....... and he's doin' it with a straight face!

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:49:11

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:36:18

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:33:11

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

But you dig the night (no sun).  How confusing life is going to get for you if you find a church that says to "walk in the light".

Oh, we gotta get this worked out.

Yes, I "dig" the night (and the moon), but I never said I didn't also "dig" the morning (and the sun) as well! Get your facts set straight, goodness me. 

Hummmm.... the moon is white...... so you wear black, and white, and yellow.  I think we have an even bigger problem here.  That's a bummer of a fashion statement.

*snickers* oh.... (I am literally laughing really hard right now. I fell off my bed laughing!) I like you Willie. You're silly. Silly Willie. (I made a rhym)

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:00:17

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Uh, let's just call it "fashion taste"....... sense seems like a bit of a stretch with what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:08:15

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:00:17

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Uh, let's just call it "fashion taste"....... sense seems like a bit of a stretch with what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

I'm a teenager, nothing I do or say will make sense to you, old man (I mean no offence by that, I love and respect those who are wiser and older than me)

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:12:20

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:08:15

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:00:17

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Uh, let's just call it "fashion taste"....... sense seems like a bit of a stretch with what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

I'm a teenager, nothing I do or say will make sense to you, old man (I mean no offence by that, I love and respect those who are wiser and older than me)

I probably would too....... if I could find any.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:22:00

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:12:20

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:08:15

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:00:17

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Uh, let's just call it "fashion taste"....... sense seems like a bit of a stretch with what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

I'm a teenager, nothing I do or say will make sense to you, old man (I mean no offence by that, I love and respect those who are wiser and older than me)

I probably would too....... if I could find any.

Well, finding them wiser than me is no problem.... finding them older is a mama dog.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:22:00

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:12:20

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:08:15

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:00:17

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:50:32

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:23:01

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 21:16:31
Well, I WAS thinking you were on pretty solid ground until I read that one horrible thing.  You sometimes wear YELLOW?  Oh Lord, there's no hope..........       

Yellow is the color of the sun, our worldy warmth that God gave to us to sheild us from the cold. Are you, Sir, accusing God's wonderful creation, made to keep us alive and well, of being horrible and hopeless? Poor dear, you must life a very unhappy and cold life. 

LOL Just a heads up FW if you haven't yet figured it out Willie T has a great sense of humor. He cracks me up all the time.

It's hard to be serious with that weirdo making comments about my fashion sense 

Uh, let's just call it "fashion taste"....... sense seems like a bit of a stretch with what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

I'm a teenager, nothing I do or say will make sense to you, old man (I mean no offence by that, I love and respect those who are wiser and older than me)

I probably would too....... if I could find any.

Ahem, there will always be someone older and wiser. That would be God, muffincheeks. (Muffincheeks? What in the world? I just thought of that randomly so I typed it... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Excuse me while I burst into a laughing fit)

My wife is roaring about "muffincheeks"...................................... I'm not.

Well time to strap on the pistol and go walk the dog.

Later.

Quote from: Willie T on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:31:26
My wife is roaring about "muffincheeks"...................................... I'm not.

Well time to strap on the pistol and go walk the dog.

Later.

Teeheehee! Later Muffincheeks! I'll miss you 

Wow ya'll are killin me. I have to go to bed. My sides hurt. Night.

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:35:54
Wow ya'll are killin me. I have to go to bed. My sides hurt. Night.

I'm going too. Night!

Quote from: FlawedWings on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:37:18

Quote from: Hartofgold8679 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 - 22:35:54
Wow ya'll are killin me. I have to go to bed. My sides hurt. Night.

I'm going too. Night!

Here is Larry Norman for you... 


Larry Norman - Only Visiting This Planet - The Outlaw

Ah yes.  Classic Norman.  From the first disk of the Trilogy. 

Here is another track from the 3rd disk in the Trilogy:


Also Here is his one and only Pop Chart hit from 1967 with the group "People," I Love You.

I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

He stated pretty emphatically that he is not emo.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

No Ma'am, I am not emo (I would never ever cut myself and I am not depressed. When I am depressed I go and pray really hard for a few days, then I'm perfectly fine and happy again. I feel very renewed after that)

You see, a lot of emo kids become stereotype goths (obsessed with death, wear all black all the time, lurk around unhappy all the time, ect. And stereotype goths are not true goths, trust me. Some of the happiest, kindest people I know are goths) because they want those around them to see their pain, and also several (but not all, mind you) emo kids want to be feared.

Emo people usually love violence, pain, and blood (how could they not? They cut themselves either for pure pleasure or to "get rid" of their inner pain by the pain of their outer body). Almost all goths are Pacifists, believe it or not. Against violence to others or themselves (violent movies are out of the question though. Who doesn't love a good action movie?)

People who think Emo and Goth are similer is usually because said people don't know everything about those two very differant groups of people. (I am honestly not saying any of you are dumb. This stuff about Goth and Emo is not common knowledge.)

Goths suprisingly are very open to other religions than their own. There are Christian, Buddist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan (sadly), Atheist, and yes the dreaded Satanists. Any religion, gender, age, race, ect can be Goth. Also, I am not Gay. I get asked this a lot. Being Gay/Lez/Bi to be Goth are also stereotype, as well as Goths use drugs, Goths drink alchohol, Goths smoke, Goths are sex addicts, ect. These things are very untrue to the name Goth. Yes, a few Goths may do/be these things, but it is certainly not something "required" to being Goth. Most of us (including me) do not do them and don't ever want to do them. And, people say there are rules to being Goth (doing/loving all the stereotype things I have listed), but this is silly. Goths don't have rules. The only thing we prefure you to be if you want to become Goth is that you are Artistic and Creative. And we certainly won't push you to be those things if you aren't. We except everyone.

Emo is very differant from Goth in many ways.

Quote from: Willie T on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 08:22:45

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

He stated pretty emphatically that he is not emo.

Quote from: FlawedWings on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:12:42

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

No Ma'am, I am not emo (I would never ever cut myself and I am not depressed. When I am depressed I go and pray really hard for a few days, then I'm perfectly find and happy again. I feel very renewed after that)

You see, a lot of emo kids become stereotype goths (obsessed with death, wear all black all the time, lurk around unhappy all the time, ect. And stereotype goths are not true goths, trust me. Some of the happiest, kindest people I know are goths) because they want those around them to see their pain, and also several (but not all, mind you) emo kids want to be feared.

Emo people usually love violence, pain, and blood (how could they not? They cut themselves either for pure pleasure or to "get rid" of their inner pain by the pain of their outer body). Almost all goths are Pacifists, believe it or not. Against violence to others or themselves (violent movies are out of the question though. Who doesn't love a good action movie?)

People who think Emo and Goth are similer is usually because said people don't know everything about those two very differant groups of people. (I am honestly not saying any of you are dumb. This stuff about Goth and Emo is not common knowledge.)

Goths suprisingly are very open to other religions than their own. There are Christian, Buddist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan (sadly), Atheist, and yes the dreaded Satanists. Any religion, gender, age, race, ect can be Goth. Also, I am not Gay. I get asked this a lot. Being Gay/Lez/Bi to be Goth are also stereotype, as well as Goths use drugs, Goths drink alchohol, Goths smoke, Goths are sex addicts, ect. These things are very untrue to the name Goth. Yes, a few Goths may do/be these things, but it is certainly not something "required" to being Goth. Most of us (including me) do not do them and don't ever want to do them. And, people say there are rules to being Goth (doing/loving all the stereotype things I have listed), but this is silly. Goths don't have rules. They only thing we prefure you to be if you want to become Goth is that you are Artistic and Creative. And we certainly won't push you to be those things if you aren't. We except everyone.

Emo is very differant from Goth in many ways.

Thanks for clearing that up, Emo is destructive.

BTW, I started the Goth trend in the 80's.