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Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:16:06

Quote from: FlawedWings on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:12:42

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

No Ma'am, I am not emo (I would never ever cut myself and I am not depressed. When I am depressed I go and pray really hard for a few days, then I'm perfectly find and happy again. I feel very renewed after that)

You see, a lot of emo kids become stereotype goths (obsessed with death, wear all black all the time, lurk around unhappy all the time, ect. And stereotype goths are not true goths, trust me. Some of the happiest, kindest people I know are goths) because they want those around them to see their pain, and also several (but not all, mind you) emo kids want to be feared.

Emo people usually love violence, pain, and blood (how could they not? They cut themselves either for pure pleasure or to "get rid" of their inner pain by the pain of their outer body). Almost all goths are Pacifists, believe it or not. Against violence to others or themselves (violent movies are out of the question though. Who doesn't love a good action movie?)

People who think Emo and Goth are similer is usually because said people don't know everything about those two very differant groups of people. (I am honestly not saying any of you are dumb. This stuff about Goth and Emo is not common knowledge.)

Goths suprisingly are very open to other religions than their own. There are Christian, Buddist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan (sadly), Atheist, and yes the dreaded Satanists. Any religion, gender, age, race, ect can be Goth. Also, I am not Gay. I get asked this a lot. Being Gay/Lez/Bi to be Goth are also stereotype, as well as Goths use drugs, Goths drink alchohol, Goths smoke, Goths are sex addicts, ect. These things are very untrue to the name Goth. Yes, a few Goths may do/be these things, but it is certainly not something "required" to being Goth. Most of us (including me) do not do them and don't ever want to do them. And, people say there are rules to being Goth (doing/loving all the stereotype things I have listed), but this is silly. Goths don't have rules. They only thing we prefure you to be if you want to become Goth is that you are Artistic and Creative. And we certainly won't push you to be those things if you aren't. We except everyone.

Emo is very differant from Goth in many ways.

Thanks for clearing that up, Emo is destructive.

BTW, I started the Goth trend in the 80's.   

Welcome, and okay sure haha

Also, thanks everyone for telling me about Larry Norman. I like him very much 

Hey Flawed - did you like the Larry Norman songs?

I just had a strange thought.  Norman was at his heyday about 40 years ago. He brought rock music to the church.  I was about your age when I started listening to him. 

BACK THEN, if someone had played pop music from 40 years earlier, it would have been nothing I recognized at all.  It would have been late ragtime, or early big band jazz.

Anyway - I hope you liked them. 

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ETA:

I guess we cross posted.  Glad you liked him.

Yes Sir, thank you. I like them very much.

Quote from: FlawedWings on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:22:10

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:16:06

Quote from: FlawedWings on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 09:12:42

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 06:31:20
I think a problem with Goth is that it's tied with being emo. Do you consider yourself emo FlawedWings? That could lead to a lack of discipline when it comes to controlling the emotions.

No Ma'am, I am not emo (I would never ever cut myself and I am not depressed. When I am depressed I go and pray really hard for a few days, then I'm perfectly find and happy again. I feel very renewed after that)

You see, a lot of emo kids become stereotype goths (obsessed with death, wear all black all the time, lurk around unhappy all the time, ect. And stereotype goths are not true goths, trust me. Some of the happiest, kindest people I know are goths) because they want those around them to see their pain, and also several (but not all, mind you) emo kids want to be feared.

Emo people usually love violence, pain, and blood (how could they not? They cut themselves either for pure pleasure or to "get rid" of their inner pain by the pain of their outer body). Almost all goths are Pacifists, believe it or not. Against violence to others or themselves (violent movies are out of the question though. Who doesn't love a good action movie?)

People who think Emo and Goth are similer is usually because said people don't know everything about those two very differant groups of people. (I am honestly not saying any of you are dumb. This stuff about Goth and Emo is not common knowledge.)

Goths suprisingly are very open to other religions than their own. There are Christian, Buddist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan (sadly), Atheist, and yes the dreaded Satanists. Any religion, gender, age, race, ect can be Goth. Also, I am not Gay. I get asked this a lot. Being Gay/Lez/Bi to be Goth are also stereotype, as well as Goths use drugs, Goths drink alchohol, Goths smoke, Goths are sex addicts, ect. These things are very untrue to the name Goth. Yes, a few Goths may do/be these things, but it is certainly not something "required" to being Goth. Most of us (including me) do not do them and don't ever want to do them. And, people say there are rules to being Goth (doing/loving all the stereotype things I have listed), but this is silly. Goths don't have rules. They only thing we prefure you to be if you want to become Goth is that you are Artistic and Creative. And we certainly won't push you to be those things if you aren't. We except everyone.

Emo is very differant from Goth in many ways.

Thanks for clearing that up, Emo is destructive.

BTW, I started the Goth trend in the 80's.   

Welcome, and okay sure haha

I married a virgin jock too and we both wear mostly black. Still a non conformist at heart though, always will be.

This site has helped me a lot through my problems and I am really glad to have gotten to talk with you all about my struggles, and I am so greatful you all were kind enough to help me.

I'm glad God helped me decide a few days ago to type in Christian Advice Forum in the search box and He had me click on this one. 

The first rap song I ever heard was on Norman's "Only Visiting this Planet" album.

Readers Digest:


Yeah - the background music is different, but the rap vocal style had not been linked with the R&B yet.   On the next album "So Long Ago the Garden" he had another rap over a medium blues background called "Nightmare #71."

HahahahahaI love it! The rap one is awesome! Thanks! 

Quote from: FlawedWings on Wed Aug 08, 2012 - 10:19:01
HahahahahaI love it! The rap one is awesome! Thanks! 

FlawWings......did you listen to the Larry N. song I put out...it's my favorite!! "The Outlaw"

Yes ela, I listened to it. It was very nice and uplifting. All the songs are incredible, thanks

Being a Goth (a dark artist) for me is ALL about fashion (awesome lovely black dresses and Lolita jewelry! I'm loving it!) redish/blue/pinkish hair style & little dark eye makeup. It is pretty cute! if you know how to do it :)

some Goths may overdo it and they end up being very very ugly and disgusting :(

I really care how I look!

I used to wear those long golden chains that are going from my nose directly linked to my ear lol. Dad told me it looked horrible on me but well I used to like it.

Then, it is all about art and music for me —my art most of the time will be something like Victoria Frances; a pretty (classic) gothic art, I think.

I made this a long time ago:




here are some Victorian F. ART:

Victoria Francés - Listen to the rain

I usually refer to myself as a 'dark artist' nothing more and nothing less. I would say "gothic art" is a part of me. it won't hurt to call me a goth as well. I do paintings about death, vampires but most of the time they are dark angels/goddess and some dark legends & myth or fairies. I have no limit in my art and no rules to follow (as long as it is dark or black!) sometimes it is just lovely 'black' art depending on my inspiration or mood. Art is only art! I do not need rules or someone to tell me do this or do NOTdo that when I paint. I'm adult and this my only hobby.

Some pretty gothic things:

Emilie Autumn in a gothic fashion:



Long Black Velvet and Net Vampire Dress



Black Mesh & Lace Cuffs with Velvet Bow and Crystal



Gothic Lolita ring



Angel Wing /Gothic Cameo double rings: (I want this! awesome stuff!)



Dagon Full Finger Armor Ring Gothic Flourish Filigree One ring



I love Armor Rings !

And of course there is a gothic music, gothic books, and gothic fiction... etc...

As long as you're not hurting yourself or others then it is ok

Also do not hurt your relationship with God =)

Thanks Lily! Those are beautiful. I love the fashion too! I am obsessed with Victorian clothes. The pretty Goth works on guys as well, such as lace and frills, classical themes, and hauntingly beautiful expressions.

FlawedWings, I know exactly how you feel.  I felt kind of "left out" of my youth group too.  Thankfully, I'm going to college.  On the other hand, I often run into a LOT of my past "fellow 'Christian'" youth weekly, since I live at home and go to a Junior College.  Every week I go to the same old church.  I love the pastor(s) and the worship band, but often times I felt pretty uncomfortable in the youth group.  So many judgments and rumors and people "ganging up" on me in pointless arguments.  They act like children rather than pre-adults.  It's sad really. 


To make my point a little shorter, you aren't alone.  I had to go through a lot of false judgments and mistreatments, even, at least how I felt, from my youth pastor himself.  Rumors and gossip go a long way I suppose.  Just remember that it gets better in college, at least for me; people start acting their age and make wiser decisions rather than shorter, harsher ones.  Hang in there bro!

And remember, God knows your deepest desires and passions - and He encourages them!  Don't feel obligated to change yourself because other "Christians" are judging you.  They don't know you like God knows you.  Just don't use that as an excuse to do whatever you would like though; with that being said, I completely support your decision to be a Goth.  Express yourself 8)

Although I am not Goth, I do have piercings. I am sure people look down on me for that. But God loves me and you the same! Even when we stumble and fall, God will always love us! There is nothing wrong with being you! God loves ya! I think it is very un-christianly to judge someone for being Goth! Or judging me for having something as simple as a nose ring. People should practice what they preach. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged. We all sin and make mistakes, but thanks to the blood of Jesus we are cleansed!

their the ones that are sining just be  yourself that aint right !

wow.. I haven't been on in forever... I just want to say what I posted about emos was untrue. I judged them just like I wad judged. I talked to some true emos and got everything sorted out. I was wrong for judging them. I'm sorry

I am a Metal head people judge me too.