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Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:00:28

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 06:36:59

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 15, 2012 - 20:35:36
That is also a false belief. Get into the word of God and learn what He says, not your husband, who knows nothing about Him.

The bible tells me to ask my husband if I have any questions. You have no right to tell me not to do what the bible say's.

The bible does not tell you that.

There is an instruction for Christian women to consult their Christian husbands on scriptural matters because at that time it was only men who had the knowledge of the Torah.

Are there other parts of the bible we shouldn't live by either? I had no idea your views were so non-traditional, good thing we are in this forum! My husband would not approve of your teaching! He's going to be a police man one day, he loves the law. 

No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:12:38


Are there other parts of the bible we shouldn't live by either?

We need to live by the rightly discerned words of Scripture. What I have told you is the truth. If your husband is unsaved, you don't consult him about spiritual things.

QuoteI had no idea your views were so non-traditional, good thing we are in this forum!

My views are simply based on the word of God. Whether or not that is traditonal makes no difference to me. Jesus was radical, and if that makes me radical, I'm all for it!

QuoteMy husband would not approve of your teaching! He's going to be a police man one day, he loves the law. 

I should think he wouldn't approve. Why should he?

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

Amen!

Quote from: BSI had no idea your views were so non-traditional, good thing we are in this forum!

Quote from: LSMy views are simply based on the word of God. Whether or not that is traditonal makes no difference to me. Jesus was radical, and if that makes me radical, I'm all for it!

Possibly one of the best, and truest, things posted here.  Jesus tried to wake us up from the stupor of blindly following "tradition".

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:19:37

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Is the king on his throne?

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:29:56

We need to live by the rightly discerned words of Scripture. What I have told you is the truth. If your husband is unsaved, you don't consult him about spiritual things.

Since he is, I can and it's recommended.

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My views are simply based on the word of God. Whether or not that is traditonal makes no difference to me. Jesus was radical, and if that makes me radical, I'm all for it!

My view is based on the word of God too. I will always listen to my husband.

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I should think he wouldn't approve. Why should he?

Because he is the head of me, not you. Why would you encourage women not to listen to their husbands? That's how bad things happen to good people. LS, I don't think it's a good idea to tell other households they are wrong for not believing what you believe.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here.

Not true. The Holy Spirit is given us to be our helper..in the Kingdom of Heaven, we will not need a helper, because there will be nothing but perfection there. We will see Him face to face! 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
We are in the world but not of the world.

In the world...as in these are the breaks folks.
Not of the world...as in do not conform to the world's ways, which is why we need the helper.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand.

The world will not always be here...and our time is limited on the expansion of the Kingdom.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is moving on these people, praise God! 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect.

The Kingdom of God is perfect.  We have nothing to do with it. 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

nope. You are flat out wrong.
John 9:1-3
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:24:51

Quote from: Lively Stone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:29:56

We need to live by the rightly discerned words of Scripture. What I have told you is the truth. If your husband is unsaved, you don't consult him about spiritual things.

Since he is, I can and it's recommended.

He is? When did he come to accept Jesus Christ as His Lord and Saviour? It must have been very recently. I must have missed your announcement!

QuoteMy view is based on the word of God too. I will always listen to my husband.

If he is a believer you both should be listening to God through His word together.

Quote from: Lively StoneI should think he wouldn't approve. Why should he?

QuoteBecause he is the head of me, not you. Why would you encourage women not to listen to their husbands? That's how bad things happen to good people. LS, I don't think it's a good idea to tell other households they are wrong for not believing what you believe.

I never encourage women to not listen to their husbands. The instruction in scripture was for the women of that day who knew nothing of the word, and so they needed to be quiet with their continual interruptions in the meetings asking what was meant, and to ask their husbands at home. That doesn't mean we feed on the instruction of our husbands. We are supposed to be serving the Lord together with them equally. In this culture, many wives are spiritually more mature than their husbands, and in those marriages (more than you can shake as tick at!) it is the other way around.

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:25:53

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here.

Not true. The Holy Spirit is given us to be our helper..in the Kingdom of Heaven, we will not need a helper, because there will be nothing but perfection there. We will see Him face to face! 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
We are in the world but not of the world.

In the world...as in these are the breaks folks.
Not of the world...as in do not conform to the world's ways, which is why we need the helper.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand.

The world will not always be here...and our time is limited on the expansion of the Kingdom.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is moving on these people, praise God! 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect.

The Kingdom of God is perfect.  We have nothing to do with it. 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03
As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

nope. You are flat out wrong.
John 9:1-3
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life

Deuteronomy 28:1

And it shall come to pass; if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

I don't think anyone born blind or any other handicap would feel like they were being blessed.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:35:38
I don't think anyone born blind or any other handicap would feel like they were being blessed.

How bout this...instead of speaking for them.  How bout you find someone who is a follower of Christ and has been born blind, become blind or otherwise "afflicted" and ask them to speak for themselves? And, then...really listen.  Please, Lord Jesus let it be so!

I know a man who was afflicted when he was very very young.  He can't do the things his heart most longs to do, but in-spite of all of that, his testimony about his life as he told me, humbles me daily.
He told me he is thankful for his affliction.  Its speaks to him of how much God loves him that He touched him in this way.  "Because," he reasoned, "it keeps me humble.  I must rely on Him! It keeps me from being a stinking egotistical jerk.  I bet I would be that and more if my body worked like everyone else's and that is why God saw fit to let me have this one."
He also said it gives him much to look forward to one day when he sees his Lord and Savior face to face.  "I'm gonna LOVE my new body!  I'm gonna play catch with God...I can't wait to run out for a long pass!" 

Someday, I hope to have as healthy and beautiful an attitude and heart as he has...

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:23:02

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:19:37

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Is the king on his throne?

Stop by the house, and pick me up the next time you drive there.

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:48:12

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:35:38
I don't think anyone born blind or any other handicap would feel like they were being blessed.

How bout this...instead of speaking for them.  How bout you find someone who is a follower of Christ and has been born blind, become blind or otherwise "afflicted" and ask them to speak for themselves? And, then...really listen.  Please, Lord Jesus let it be so!

I know a man who was afflicted when he was very very young.  He can't do the things his heart most longs to do, but in-spite of all of that, his testimony about his life as he told me, humbles me daily.
He told me he is thankful for his affliction.  Its speaks to him of how much God loves him that He touched him in this way.  "Because," he reasoned, "it keeps me humble.  I must rely on Him! It keeps me from being a stinking egotistical jerk.  I bet I would be that and more if my body worked like everyone else's and that is why God saw fit to let me have this one."
He also said it gives him much to look forward to one day when he sees his Lord and Savior face to face.  "I'm gonna LOVE my new body!  I'm gonna play catch with God...I can't wait to run out for a long pass!" 

Someday, I hope to have as healthy and beautiful an attitude and heart as he has...

Exodus 34:7 says he will only be punished 3-4 lifetimes. Maybe he has served his sentence. Each time new sins follow us.

Did you know that clergymen could curse you? If you don't believe the way they do, lots of times they get angry and tell you you're listening to Satan rather than God. What about a preacher who is homosexual or who is an adulterer or divorced and officiates at a young couple's wedding? He pronounces a "blessing" over the two, but God says that's really a curse. Have you ever been cursed by a priest or by a preacher? If you have, be sure to forgive him or her, break off the curse, and ask God to fill you with blessings instead.

There's also the case of those ministers who get puffed up with what they are doing and take for themselves the glory that God deserves. Those people are cursed by God.

This is the reason I don't let a lot of people pray for me. First, we hear and then we take it to heart. Only then can we give God the glory. Another source of curses is not giving glory to God, substituting idols instead.

(Deuteronomy 27:15) Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:52:47

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:23:02

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:19:37

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Is the king on his throne?

Stop by the house, and pick me up the next time you drive there.

Jesus goes with me everywhere I go. That is why He can't return, He is already here.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:27:05

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:52:47

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:23:02

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:19:37

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Is the king on his throne?

Stop by the house, and pick me up the next time you drive there.

Jesus goes with me everywhere I go. That is why He can't return, He is already here.

My goodness.  And here I thought he was seated in Heaven.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:25:02
Exodus 34:7 says he will only be punished 3-4 lifetimes. Maybe he has served his sentence. Each time new sins follow us.

Nope.  That is not what it says.  It speaks of generations.  I gave you the definition of what a generation is...did you read it.  You don't seem to understand the concept.

He has lived once and will die once. Just like you. Just like me. 

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:25:02
Did you know that clergymen could curse you? If you don't believe the way they do, lots of times they get angry and tell you you're listening to Satan rather than God.

If you are covered in the blood of Jesus, you are safe from anyone that tries to curse you.

If you are being told you are believing a lie...its because you are, Funguy.  What you are saying about this topic is not backed up fully by scripture.  You focus too much on the "or else" and stop reading the rest which is "I will remember my covenant" "I will forgive".

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:25:02
What about a preacher who is homosexual or who is an adulterer or divorced and officiates at a young couple's wedding? He pronounces a "blessing" over the two, but God says that's really a curse. Have you ever been cursed by a priest or by a preacher? If you have, be sure to forgive him or her, break off the curse, and ask God to fill you with blessings instead.

okaaaay?   

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:25:02
There's also the case of those ministers who get puffed up with what they are doing and take for themselves the glory that God deserves. Those people are cursed by God.

This is the reason I don't let a lot of people pray for me. First, we hear and then we take it to heart. Only then can we give God the glory. Another source of curses is not giving glory to God, substituting idols instead.

okaaaay?   

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:25:02
(Deuteronomy 27:15) Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

This passage has nothing to do with the topic or having people pray for you. 

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:31:38
My goodness.  And here I thought he was seated in Heaven.

Jesus said people aren't supposed to say it's here or there, because it's within our midst.

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

Luke 17:23 Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them.

We aren't supposed to listen to you telling us he's seated in heaven Willie.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:40:32

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:31:38
My goodness.  And here I thought he was seated in Heaven.

Jesus said people aren't supposed to say it's here or there, because it's within our midst.

Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

Luke 17:23 Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them.

We aren't supposed to listen to you telling us he's seated in heaven Willie.

Well then. by all means, don't.  It's your future, not mine.

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:31:38

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 10:27:05

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 09:52:47

Quote from: Jimmy on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:23:02

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:19:37

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 08:13:03

Quote from: Willie T on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 07:26:26
No,Funnyguy33, the Kingdom of God is not here on Earth yet.  We are here, and we are of (in) that kingdom.  But the fully realized kingdom is not yet here, it only breaks through to be glimpsed once in awhile when Christians allow it to work through them.

The Holy Spirit wouldn't be here if the Kingdom of Heaven wasn't here. We are in the world but not of the world. The world will always be here and Jesus Kingdom will always expand. Look at the number of Christians China has added. They are a greater number than in the USA. WE have a long way to go but it will never be perfect. As long as we have freewill, we will have sinners. That is why bad things happen to good people.

Brilliant.  If you went to China, would the Republic of the USA, then be in China?  No.  You could possibly show a little of American ways while you were there (if they would let you) but the Republic would remain right here in North America.

Is the king on his throne?

Stop by the house, and pick me up the next time you drive there.

Jesus goes with me everywhere I go. That is why He can't return, He is already here.

My goodness.  And here I thought he was seated in Heaven.

He brought Heaven to earth and our bodies are His Temple and His Throne. Acts 7:48

Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Yup thats where He is

 
Bad things happen to bad people as well as good things happen to good people.  I do not believe bad things happen to good people because they sinned.  Look at the book of Job.  Evil is prevalent in this world today and evil loves to hurt, abuse, debase, kill.  It's the work of Satan himself.

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:36:21

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Yup thats where He is

In our midst!  We can't leave that part out, otherwise people's imaginations are going to run wild and that's another way that bad things happen to good people.

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 13:05:48

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:36:21

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Yup thats where He is

In our midst!  We can't leave that part out, otherwise people's imaginations are going to run wild and that's another way that bad things happen to good people.

But, we can't get so locked into human understanding that we place Him one place or the other.  Scripture is clear that when He conquered sin and death, He sat at the Father's right hand.  Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit comes to us upon accepting Him as Lord and Savior and scripture is clear that He promises to be in our midst where two or more are gathered.
He is at the Father's right hand in Heaven.
which is a separate place from when
He is with us.
and when
He is in our midst when we gather.

This body, this life, this time will pass away and we will know Him and understand fully when we see Him face to face. 1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Are you saying Jesus is not with God in your heart?

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 13:14:43

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 13:05:48

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:36:21

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Yup thats where He is

In our midst!  We can't leave that part out, otherwise people's imaginations are going to run wild and that's another way that bad things happen to good people.

But, we can't get so locked into human understanding that we place Him one place or the other.  Scripture is clear that when He conquered sin and death, He sat at the Father's right hand.  Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit comes to us upon accepting Him as Lord and Savior and scripture is clear that He promises to be in our midst where two or more are gathered.
He is at the Father's right hand in Heaven.
which is a separate place from when
He is with us.
and when
He is in our midst when we gather.

This body, this life, this time will pass away and we will know Him and understand fully when we see Him face to face. 1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I  am fully known.

Isaiah 9:7 Says He will rule here forever and continue expanding His Kingdom, here on earth. The rapture happens when you are born again.
Hell will also be here Revelation 22:15

Quote from: jmldn2 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:50:26

Bad things happen to bad people as well as good things happen to good people.  I do not believe bad things happen to good people because they sinned.  Look at the book of Job.  Evil is prevalent in this world today and evil loves to hurt, abuse, debase, kill.  It's the work of Satan himself.

If you read the comments by Jobs friends, you will see Job was being punished for sins in his last life.

I don't think he was too blessed, when he had to raise 10 teenagers again in his old age.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:18:55

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 13:14:43

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 13:05:48

Quote from: chosenone on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:36:21

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:19:13
Hebrews 1:1-4 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Hebrews 12:1-2 12 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.


Scripture says that He is at the right hand of the Father. 

Yup thats where He is

In our midst!  We can't leave that part out, otherwise people's imaginations are going to run wild and that's another way that bad things happen to good people.

But, we can't get so locked into human understanding that we place Him one place or the other.  Scripture is clear that when He conquered sin and death, He sat at the Father's right hand.  Scripture is clear that the Holy Spirit comes to us upon accepting Him as Lord and Savior and scripture is clear that He promises to be in our midst where two or more are gathered.
He is at the Father's right hand in Heaven.
which is a separate place from when
He is with us.
and when
He is in our midst when we gather.

This body, this life, this time will pass away and we will know Him and understand fully when we see Him face to face. 1 Corinthians 13:12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I  am fully known.

Isaiah 9:7 Says He will rule here forever and continue expanding His Kingdom, here on earth. The rapture happens when you are born again.
Hell will also be here Revelation 22:15

Will rule...not ruling now...will rule.  It hasn't happened yet. Not the rapture, not His second comming, not His Earthly rule...we are waiting still.

Quote from: Funguy33 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:23:05

Quote from: jmldn2 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 11:50:26

Bad things happen to bad people as well as good things happen to good people.  I do not believe bad things happen to good people because they sinned.  Look at the book of Job.  Evil is prevalent in this world today and evil loves to hurt, abuse, debase, kill.  It's the work of Satan himself.

If you read the comments by Jobs friends, you will see Job was being punished for sins in his last life.

I don't think he was too blessed, when he had to raise 10 teenagers again in his old age.

Jobs friends were wrong.

And

Children area  blessing from the Lord

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:27:09

Will rule...not ruling now...will rule.  It hasn't happened yet. Not the rapture, not His second comming, not His Earthly rule...we are waiting still.

Forever is always, it's past present and future. I don't think forever is something in the future only. When he say's he is coming soon, doesn't mean we all arrive at once, that's why the gate never closes. Revelation 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.

Darkness will shut people out. 

Matthew 8:12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Does this mean people get kicked out or are just shut out by their own doing?

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:38:01

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:27:09

Will rule...not ruling now...will rule.  It hasn't happened yet. Not the rapture, not His second comming, not His Earthly rule...we are waiting still.

Forever is always, it's past present and future. I don't think forever is something in the future only. When he say's he is coming soon, doesn't mean we all arrive at once, that's why the gate never closes. Revelation 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.

Darkness will shut people out.

Matthew 24:35-36  Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.


Acts 1:4-9 4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."
when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Forever has no beginning and no ending, but God has a plan within the time frame of eternity.  He alone knows the hour and the day of Christ's second coming and Earthly reign

Quote from:  The Funny FarmIf you read the comments by Jobs friends, you will see Job was being punished for sins in his last life.

I don't think he was too blessed, when he had to raise 10 teenagers again in his old age.

Funnyguy33,
Have you been neglecting to take the medications the doctors prescribed for you?

Quote from: MeMyself on Thu Aug 16, 2012 - 14:49:23
Forever has no beginning and no ending, but God has a plan within the time frame of eternity.  He alone knows the hour and the day of Christ's second coming and Earthly reign

This so funny that you mention this, my husband said this to me the exact same time you posted it!

I knew he was coming home from work today but I didn't know what time, I just knew I had to have chicken and rice ready. I'm fixen the food and he comes home and he say's I need coffee and a sugar cookie e-cig (it takes time to fill those up). I told him "If I had known what time you were coming home I would have had it all ready." He said, "Jesus doesn't call people to tell them I'm on the way, that's why you always got to be ready."