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That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

John 14: 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

Acts 4:11-12 Jesus is "'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.'Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

Quite clear that it is through Jesus we are saved, no need to worry about hell if you don't deny the One who truly saves. (That would be Christ, not what church you attend)

Matthew 18:20(NIV)

20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

These people are His Church, they can come from any denomination.

The Jesus I know is more concerned with our personal relationship to Him than what can be vain tradition. 

I suspect MeMyself  does not believe the quote below to be true. I am worried MeMyself does not believe the Holy Bible.

Do you believe the below quote to be the truth?

QuoteAnd I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Quote from: Carey on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:12:43

Matthew 18:20(NIV)

20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

These people are His Church, they can come from any denomination.

The Jesus I know is more concerned with our personal relationship to Him than what can be vain tradition.

Do you believe the quote below to be true?

QuoteBut wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Quote from: Carey on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:12:43

Matthew 18:20(NIV)

20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

These people are His Church, they can come from any denomination.

The Jesus I know is more concerned with our personal relationship to Him than what can be vain tradition.

  Great post!

John 14: 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

Acts 4:11-12 Jesus is "'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.'Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

Quite clear that it is through Jesus we are saved, no need to worry about hell if you don't deny the One who truly saves. (That would be Christ, not what church you attend)

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:17:22
I suspect MeMyself  does not believe the quote below to be true. I am worried MeMyself does not believe the Holy Bible.

Do you believe the below quote to be the truth?

QuoteAnd I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I absolutely believe the quote to be Truth!  However, you are silly if you think Peter is the Rock!

Lets look at it in context. :)
Matthew 16 15He said to them, But whom say you that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven 18And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

The ROCK is Christ. 

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:27:00

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:17:22
I suspect MeMyself  does not believe the quote below to be true. I am worried MeMyself does not believe the Holy Bible.

Do you believe the below quote to be the truth?

QuoteAnd I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I absolutely believe the quote to be Truth!  However, you are silly if you think Peter is the Rock!

Lets look at it in context. :)
Matthew 16 15He said to them, But whom say you that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven 18And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

The ROCK is Christ.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:36:13

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:27:00

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:17:22
I suspect MeMyself  does not believe the quote below to be true. I am worried MeMyself does not believe the Holy Bible.

Do you believe the below quote to be the truth?

QuoteAnd I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I absolutely believe the quote to be Truth!  However, you are silly if you think Peter is the Rock!

Lets look at it in context. :)
Matthew 16 15He said to them, But whom say you that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven 18And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

The ROCK is Christ.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

I don't need your church to save me. I have the revelation that Christ is the Son of God.  He and He alone is the rock, the light, the gate, the way, the Truth and no person comes to the Father except through Him.

What will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:38:34

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:36:13

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:27:00

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:17:22
I suspect MeMyself  does not believe the quote below to be true. I am worried MeMyself does not believe the Holy Bible.

Do you believe the below quote to be the truth?

QuoteAnd I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

You did not answer the question and that is because you are obstinate?

I absolutely believe the quote to be Truth!  However, you are silly if you think Peter is the Rock!

Lets look at it in context. :)
Matthew 16 15He said to them, But whom say you that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven 18And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

The ROCK is Christ.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

I don't need your church to save me. I have the revelation that Christ is the Son of God.  He and He alone is the rock, the light, the gate, the way, the Truth and no person comes to the Father except through Him.

What will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

You did not answer the question and that is because you are obstinate?

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:44:40
You did not answer the question and that is because you are obstinate?

False. I absolutely did answer it. A resounding NO is my answer.

Here is why:  I don't need your church to save me. I have the revelation that Christ is the Son of God.  He and He alone is the rock, the light, the gate, the way, the Truth and no person comes to the Father except through Him.

Why didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:47:31

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:44:40
You did not answer the question and that is because you are obstinate?

False. I absolutely did answer it. A resounding NO is my answer.

Here is why:  I don't need your church to save me. I have the revelation that Christ is the Son of God.  He and He alone is the rock, the light, the gate, the way, the Truth and no person comes to the Father except through Him.

Why didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

You just admitted you will not become Catholic even after finding out Jesus founded the Catholic Church. You refuse to love Christ enough to follow him into the church he founded. You do not love Christ if you hate the Catholic Church he founded. Since you refuse to follow Christ in all he reveals, in your present state of mortal sin, you don't deserve to enter the kingdom of heaven.

QuoteWhy didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

I will do better. I will follow Christ in all he reveals.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:56:19

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:47:31

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:44:40
You did not answer the question and that is because you are obstinate?

False. I absolutely did answer it. A resounding NO is my answer.

Here is why:  I don't need your church to save me. I have the revelation that Christ is the Son of God.  He and He alone is the rock, the light, the gate, the way, the Truth and no person comes to the Father except through Him.

Why didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

You just admitted you will not become Catholic even after finding out Jesus founded the Catholic Church. You refuse to love Christ enough to follow him into the church he founded. You do not love Christ if you hate the Catholic Church he founded. Since you refuse to follow Christ in all he reveals, in your present state of mortal sin, you don't deserve to enter the kingdom of heaven.

I do not hate the Catholic Church. I just don't feel the need to submit to your fear mongering, because I have Christ in my heart as my savior and I am His.

I don't care if you find me undeserving to enter God's kingdom...lol...who does?! Not ME! I am the first to admit it! I am grateful for God's grace that gives me what I do not deserve, mercy and His love.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:59:41

QuoteWhy didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

I will do better. I will follow Christ in all he reveals.

How did He say one finds salvation? A church or through Him?

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:01:15

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:59:41

QuoteWhy didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

I will do better. I will follow Christ in all he reveals.

How did He say one finds salvation? A church or through Him?

Salvation through Jesus is salvation through the Church. You can't have one without the other.

Death and Journey into Hell

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:05:05

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:01:15

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 19:59:41

QuoteWhy didn't you answer the question I asked of you...I'll ask again:
what will you do with the scripture I have shared, with Christ's very own words testifying about who and what saves?

I will do better. I will follow Christ in all he reveals.

How did He say one finds salvation? A church or through Him?

Salvation through Jesus is salvation through the Church. You can't have one without the other.

Nope.  John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.

John 10:1 "Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

Not one word about a church denomination.

The foundation of the Church (body of Christ) is found in believing that Jesus is the only way, that He is Lord, that He is the Son of God.

There is no way around it.

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:17:23

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Do you believe all Jesus teaches?

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:24:32

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:17:23

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Do you believe all Jesus teaches?

Yes.  And, what I find Him to teach in His Word is sufficient. I do not need your historical documentation, thank you though.

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:26:11

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:24:32

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:17:23

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Do you believe all Jesus teaches?

Yes.  And, what I find Him to teach in His Word is sufficient. I do not need your historical documentation, thank you though.

In what you have done and in what you have failed to do.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:29:49

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:26:11

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:24:32

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:17:23

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Do you believe all Jesus teaches?

Yes.  And, what I find Him to teach in His Word is sufficient. I do not need your historical documentation, thank you though.

In what you have done and in what you have failed to do.

What?

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:31:55

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:29:49

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:26:11

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:24:32

Quote from: MeMyself on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:17:23

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:16:14

QuoteNot one word about a church denomination.

Would you like to read some historical documentation? 

We are responsible for what we have done and what we should have done. We all need to know history. Those who die in the state of mortal sin only have themselves to blame.
Ummm, no thanks. I've the Word of God, and that's more than sufficient for me. :)

Do you believe all Jesus teaches?

Yes.  And, what I find Him to teach in His Word is sufficient. I do not need your historical documentation, thank you though.

In what you have done and in what you have failed to do.

What?

QuoteSalvation through Jesus is salvation through the Church. You can't have one without the other.

The Church disagrees with you. The Catechism dictates that Protestants are legitimately Christian, and that the Spirit is working through their churches as well.

While it is true that the Church is the established one by God, it is only insofar as it's apostolic infallibility and doctrine thereof. Disunity is a symptom of a fallen world, but God's children are God's children no matter how much sibling rivalry they may have.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:37:58
We are responsible for what we have done and what we should have done. We all need to know history. Those who die in the state of mortal sin only have themselves to blame.

Jesus is the only way to the Father. No amount of history changes that.  God did not send His Son to condemn the world, but save the world through Him.

There is none righteous, not one. We all need Jesus.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

Quote from: BlackSepulcher on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:39:03

QuoteSalvation through Jesus is salvation through the Church. You can't have one without the other.

The Church disagrees with you. The Catechism dictates that Protestants are legitimately Christian, and that the Spirit is working through their churches as well.

While it is true that the Church is the established one by God, it is only insofar as it's apostolic infallibility and doctrine thereof. Disunity is a symptom of a fallen world, but God's children are God's children no matter how much sibling rivalry they may have.

:)

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:40:21

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:42:38

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:40:21

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

No, actually. And the Catholic Church is OK with that. I wonder, do Traditional Cathloics submit to Francis and church councils?

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:45:37

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:42:38

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:40:21

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

No, actually. And the Catholic Church is OK with that. I wonder, do Traditional Cathloics submit to Francis and church councils?

Why do you hate Jesus so much? You just admitted you will not believe all Christ has revealed.

1 Corinthians 16:22

QuoteIf any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema, maranatha.

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:52:56

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:45:37

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:42:38

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:40:21

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

No, actually. And the Catholic Church is OK with that. I wonder, do Traditional Cathloics submit to Francis and church councils?

Why do you hate Jesus so much? You just admitted you will not believe all Christ has revealed.

1 Corinthians 16:22

QuoteIf any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema, maranatha.

You're jumping to conclusuions. Are Traditional Catholics real Catholics or are you just another denomination?

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Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:52:56

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:45:37

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:42:38

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 20:40:21

Quote from: To Know is to Serve on Sun Jul 14, 2013 - 18:23:00
That Church Jesus founded is Catholic, Will you become A Traditional Catholic and work out your salvation with fear and trembling in the hope of saving your soul.   

In the scenario above, will you become a Traditional Catholic to avoid the eternal pains of Hell Fire?

Only a fool will end up in Hell for denying the Catholic Church Jesus founded, especially when its history as the One True Church Jesus founded is so well documented.

You are confused on several points of your faith. Perhaps you should speak to your priest.

If I will show you historical Documents showing the Church Jesus built is the Catholic Church, will you become a Traditional Catholic in hopes of avoiding eternal Hell?

No, actually. And the Catholic Church is OK with that. I wonder, do Traditional Cathloics submit to Francis and church councils?

Why do you hate Jesus so much? You just admitted you will not believe all Christ has revealed.

1 Corinthians 16:22

QuoteIf any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema, maranatha.

You're jumping to conclusuions. Are Traditional Catholics real Catholics or are you just another denomination?

We believe the Catholic Faith as Christ has revealed. We do not compromise the Catholic faith to appease the Vatican 2 Freemasons. We also have apostolic succession.