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I just saw the movie Lincoln.  I just wondered what others thought of it and if they thought it was historically accurate.

And lastly, was Lincoln a great president?

I suppose I will share some of my thoughts on the movie and the legacy of Lincoln.  Like all of you, I've always been told what a great president he was.  However, the movie leaves quit a bit out in history.  For example, did anyone know that after the states seceded Lincoln offered to make slavery a Constitutional right if only they would return to the union?

In the end, Lincoln was only concerned about preserving the union, and he sent over half a million men to their deaths to do it.

Was it worth it?

Yes in fact he was a good president. Get the book "Lincolns last days".

 
Well I am from Charleston, SC so I do declare to have a decidely bad opinion of Lincoln.
1) the Gettysburg address and thereafter Lincoln did not free ALL of the slaves. Only the one's in the states of "rebellion." Kentucky & Maryland were slave states till the amendment changed it all.
2) power monger. Did you know Lincoln had several senators thrown out of the country at gun point told never to return on point of death? They opposed some of his ideas in the senate.....
3) he systematically hunted and killed over 30,000 souix in Minnesota.
4) blacks also fought for the south. And way before the 84th Mass.... which was union... so south did not count
5) UNC is called the "tarheels" do you know why? 1st battle of Manassas the union broke the lines. A southern general in the area got what troops he could get... 1 North Carolina militia and stopped the north. That general became know as Stonewall Jackson. He remarked that the 1st NC militia had black feet and arms... hold off the yankees standing their ground like tar.....

I hope this is enough for starters.

Quote from: ccfromsc on Sun Mar 23, 2014 - 15:01:50
3) he systematically hunted and killed over 30,000 souix in Minnesota.

Could you please show where this information can be found.
Don't think he actually killed "30,000 souix in Minnesota".

http://cherokeenational.blogspot.com/2010/12/abraham-great-executionist-lincoln.html
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After review, the president condemned a total of 38 executions. He offered the following compromise to the politicians of Minnesota: If they would pare the list of those to be hung down to 39. In return, Lincoln promised to kill or remove every Indian from the state and provide Minnesota with 2 million dollars in federal funds. This eagerness to buy cooperation from the state in spite of the fact that the Federal government still owed the Sioux 1.4 million for the land is both tragic and ironic.

So, on December 26, 1862, the Great Emancipator ordered the largest mass execution in American History, where the guilt of those to be executed was entirely in doubt. After 38 of the condemned men were hanged on the 26 of December, the day after Christmas, in 1862 in what remains the largest mass hanging in United States history, the other prisoners continued to suffer in the concentration camps through the winter of 1862-63.

Quote from: ccfromsc on Sun Mar 23, 2014 - 15:01:50
1) the Gettysburg address and thereafter Lincoln did not free ALL of the slaves. Only the one's in the states of "rebellion." Kentucky & Maryland were slave states till the amendment changed it all.

Lincoln pushed the 13th Amendment to the Constitution through Congress.  That freed ALL slaves.

Quote from: ccfromsc on Sun Mar 23, 2014 - 15:01:50
2) power monger. Did you know Lincoln had several senators thrown out of the country at gun point told never to return on point of death? They opposed some of his ideas in the senate.....

Do you have a reliable source to back this up?

Quote from: BondServant on Wed Mar 26, 2014 - 07:40:08

Quote from: ccfromsc on Sun Mar 23, 2014 - 15:01:50
1) the Gettysburg address and thereafter Lincoln did not free ALL of the slaves. Only the one's in the states of "rebellion." Kentucky & Maryland were slave states till the amendment changed it all.

Lincoln pushed the 13th Amendment to the Constitution through Congress.  That freed ALL slaves.

BondServant, I believe he was referring to the Emancipation Proclamation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation
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Around 20,000 to 50,000 slaves in regions where rebellion had already been subdued were immediately emancipated. It could not be enforced in areas still under rebellion, but as the Union army took control of Confederate regions, the Proclamation provided the legal framework for freeing more than 3 million more slaves in those regions. Prior to the Proclamation, in accordance with the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, escaped slaves were either returned to their masters or held in camps as contraband for later return. The Proclamation only applied to slaves in Confederate-held lands; it did not apply to those in the four slave states that were not in rebellion (Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri, which were unnamed), nor to Tennessee (also unnamed), and specifically excluded counties of Virginia soon to form the state of West Virginia. Also specifically excluded (by name) were some regions already controlled by the Union army. Emancipation in those places would come after separate state actions and/or the December 1865 ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, which made slavery and indentured servitude, except for those duly convicted of a crime, illegal everywhere subject to United States jurisdiction.[5]

Quote from: BondServant on Wed Mar 26, 2014 - 07:40:08

Quote from: ccfromsc on Sun Mar 23, 2014 - 15:01:50
2) power monger. Did you know Lincoln had several senators thrown out of the country at gun point told never to return on point of death? They opposed some of his ideas in the senate.....

Do you have a reliable source to back this up?

I don't know about that but it is in the history of this state (Peoples' Democratic Republic of Maryland) that he had members of the state legislature arrested the night before the vote on seceding from the Union. They remained in federal custody for the duration of the war.


http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000000/000017/html/t17.html

I had no idea that he hunted down and killed vampires, until I saw the film of his life.

Amazing.

No, Lincoln was by far the worst President. Get "The Real Lincoln."

There is no end to agenda driven revisionist history. To get to the truth of anything anymore takes serious digging, if the truth may still be found at all. It's to simple to adulterate history, especially among the ignorant, or misinformed. The number of which only continually rises as as truth is poisoned by agenda driven revisionists. All who have adulterated the truth of history according to their own agenda's, or for gain, will have their place in the lake of fire. Nothing will be hidden when all is made straight.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.