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 Hi to all , and if the  Body of Christ began in Acts 2 ,  WHY  are the 12  Apostles excluded from the Body of Christ , by Gal 3:28 ??

dan p

Why would they be excluded? The original 12 were called by Him directly (maybe 11), so they're of the Body.

 Hi , and do you have a verse where the 12 are  INCLUDED  in the Body of Chirst ?

Gal 3:28  is straifgr up and down as to why the 12   ARE  NOT   in the  Body of Christ !!

There are 4 verb tenses in the Greek  PRESENT  TENSE  that  excludes the 12  from being in the Body of Christ !!

That settles its , unless the  PRESENT TENSE  of Continuous action are not there ,  BUT THEY ARE THERE  !!

DAN P

Quote from: dan p on Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 16:48:41
Hi to all , and if the  Body of Christ began in Acts 2 ,  WHY  are the 12  Apostles excluded from the Body of Christ , by Gal 3:28 ??

dan p

Are you aware of what the Body of Christ is?

I don't think that scripture excludes the Apostles.

Galatians 3:28  Amplified Bible (AMP) There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Dan p, someone has been feeding you craziness. Galatians 3:28 says nothing at all about who is or is not part of the body, including the apostles.

All of Gods children are part of his body.

Quote from: dan p on Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 16:48:41WHY  are the 12  Apostles excluded from the Body of Christ

Ephesian 2:14-22

  . "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:  And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:   In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

One new man; one body; one holy temple; one habitation in which God shall forever dwell within, world without end.

 Hi , and the Present tense says there  CANNOT  BE  Jew nor Greek , there  CANNOT BE  Slave nor  Free , there  CANNOT  be  Male nor Female , in the  AGE  of Grace , so learn what the Present tense means , which a CONTINUOUS ACTION   and that means all  LOSE  THEIR  IDENTITY  in Christ and as Eph 2:15 in  making a New Man .

This also means that there are no Male nor Females in heaven as some teach !!

dan p

Quote from: dan p on Tue Feb 17, 2015 - 17:43:56
Hi , and the Present tense says there  CANNOT  BE  Jew nor Greek , there  CANNOT BE  Slave nor  Free , there  CANNOT  be  Male nor Female , in the  AGE  of Grace , so learn what the Present tense means , which a CONTINUOUS ACTION   and that means all  LOSE  THEIR  IDENTITY  in Christ and as Eph 2:15 in  making a New Man .

This also means that there are no Male nor Females in heaven as some teach !!

dan p

Hi dan, Gal 3:28 is referring to preferences and not distinctions, you seem to have got your understanding drastically out of whack.

To the OP:

Dan - everyone NOT in the body of Messiah goes to hell. 
Do you really think that Peter, John and Matthew, et al are in HELL right now?

 Hi , and just where did the  Jesus go when  He died , Psa 16:10 says He went to  HELL / SHEOL  did he not !!

In Luke 16:223  The  Rich Man died and went to  HELL and that is where all Jewish believers went when they died !!

Believers today go to heaven as 2  Cor 5:6-8 !!

Anyone that enters the Body of Christ loses all  Identity in the Body as Gal and the Greek Present explains as Jews were never promised heaven at all !!

dan p

QuoteIn Luke 16:223  The  Rich Man died and went to  HELL and that is where all Jewish believers went when they died !!

So Dan - are you saying that Abraham and Moses and Enoch and Elijah and David are burning with infinite torture forever?

Paul was a Jewish Believer.  So were the rest of the apostles.  Are they ALL burning in hell for all eternity?

Quote from: dan p on Wed Feb 18, 2015 - 15:05:01

In Luke 16:223  The  Rich Man died and went to  HELL and that is where all Jewish believers went when they died !!

Why would all Jewish believers go to hell? In the very vs you quoted Lazarus was with Abraham in Heaven.

 Hi and you say I missed where Abraham is in heaven , just where is that verse ?

I know where Abraham will be in the Millennium Kingdom  with averse !!

dan p

 Hi and  between Hell and Abraham's Bosom is a  GULF  fixed as revealed in Luke 16:26 and this is where Jesus  went for 3 days and 3 nights in the bowels of the earth and where all Jewish believers went when they died !!

dan p

dan p, you've been bitten by the Full/Hyper Dispensationalism bug.  According to that doctrine Paul was the first member of the Body of Christ.

Also, according to that position even the Jews who are raptured must return to Earth to be with the rest of the Jews while the Gentiles are in Heaven for eternity.    The Jews must receive their earthly promises.   There is enough division of Jews and Gentiles around here without this sort of far-out teaching.   

   Hi and I am a  dispensationalist     BUT  NOT   a  Hyper-dispensationalist   will you tells us the   DIFFERENCE !!

Gal 3:28 and Col 3:11  all you the same  verb  THERE CAN  NOT  BE / ENI     Jew  nor  GREEK  means  THERE  CAN  NOT  BE   jew  nor  Greek    ther  CANNOT BE / ENI   Male and  Female  for you   ARE / ESTE  ,  PRESENT TENSE   means  CONTINUOUS   ACTION  for ever , in Christ  Jesus  !!

Will someone say why Gal 3:28  starts out  There can not be  Jew nor Greek  and  Col 3:11  starts out by  , Where ther  cannot be  Greek and Jew ,  notice the difference ?

Gal 3:28 was written before  the  DISPENSATION came into full force and then the emphasis  was on  Gentiles as 2  Cor 3:13-15  !!

Jews were saved as verse 16  explains !!

How can the 12  apostles sit on 12   THRONES   judging  Israel   ,  in Israel's  Kingdom ,   WHILE   our  inheritance in the heavens , per  1 Thess  4:13-18 !!

dan p

I don't understand the main point of the thread.

  Hi and the OP   is , are the 12  apostles   IN   or are the 12   APOSTLES   in the  BODY OF CHRIST ?

Gal 3:28   and  Col 3:11  says that the 12  APOSTLES  are out of the  B O C  , PERIOD !!

dan p

Hmm....

Ephesians 2.19-20:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone..."

 Hi  farouckfarouk , , and there are  APOSTLES   in the  OT  !

And in Matt 19:28 will judging the 12  tribes od Israel on earth  and are  KINGS  and  PRIESTS   on earth  Rev 1:6  and in  Ex 19:6 , and was that given to the  Body of Christ  ,   NO  !!

And there are  APOSTLES ,  PROPHETS ,    and  EVANGELISTS   , and  PASTORS  and   TEACHERS  in Eph 4:11   in the  Body of Christ !!

dan p

Greetings Brothers and Sisters ~ The Apostles ~ you decide ~ to the Ancient Church they ~ the Apostles are Surp (Holy) of course they are part of the Church ~ the Body of Christ ```

  Hi  Ohan  and what verse do you base , that proves the 12  apostles are in the  B O C  ??

Gal 3:28 says that there are no Jews in the  B O C  !!

1 Cor 15:8 saysnthat  ONLY  Paul was born  OUT OF  DUE  TIME ??

All others were   BORN  IN DUE  TIME , a lot of difference here  !!

dan p

Quote from: dan p on Wed Feb 20, 2019 - 16:10:33


Gal 3:28 says that there are no Jews in the  B O C  !!

1 Cor 15:8 saysnthat  ONLY  Paul was born  OUT OF  DUE  TIME ??

/facepalm


I honestly do not mean to be rude, but based on those comments I don't think I've ever seen greater reading comprehension failure.

QuoteI don't think I've ever seen greater reading comprehension failure.

Bullingerism at its finest.

  Hi and I am not a Bullingerite or and  Acts 28er  ,  or an Acts 2 ,  nor am I a  HYPER-DISPENSATIPNALIST    but am and  Acts 9:6  dispensationalist  , that I am  !!

In other words , I  BEGIN  the  Body of Christ at  Acts 9:6  !!

dan p

Hi Dan:

Thank you for starting this topic: You wrote:

QuoteDan: Hi to all , and if the  Body of Christ began in Acts 2 , WHY  are the 12 Apostles excluded from the Body of Christ, by Gal 3:28 ??

dan p

We know full well, well many of us know, that Paul is rebuking Peter over the "truth of the gospel" at the famous meeting in Jerusalem detailed in Paul's letter to the Galatians:

Quote"But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. ... But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" Galatians 2:11+14.

This meeting took place in about 50 AD and Peter remains clueless about "the gospel to the circumcised," which is why Paul went up to Jerusalem in the first place. As it is written [my notes]:

Quote"Then after an interval of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation [Peter, John and James], for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain." Galatians 2:1-2.

The bottom line here is really simple for those understanding the basic concepts of how God deals with members of different households (Israel, Kingdom Bride, Mystery Body) in different ways amid different "house rules." For those mixing Mosaic Law (for Israel), Kingdom Doctrine (for Kingdom Bride) and Grace Doctrine (for the Body) together, well, you and anyone recognizing these differences become their heretics. :0) Their Bibles are filled with seeming contradictions amid peoples doing exactly what Christ says while on the cross that those with Bible's rightly-divided should keep in mind:

Quote"But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves." Luke 23:34.

Peter, John, James, Cornelius and everyone obeying the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (Gospel #1) are disciples of the Prophetic Kingdom "Bride" (Church #1). You and I obeyed the "Gospel of the Grace of God" (#2) to become members of the "Body of Christ" (Church #2) being baptized into Christ, and into His death, to be raised up "with Him" to be seated in the heavenly places "in" Christ Jesus. Eph. 2:4-7. Peter, John and James must join us "in" Christ via the "marriage supper of the Lamb" (Rev. 19:5-10) that includes a myriad of works, works and more works for the things God gives us for free. :0)

Blessings,

Terral

Rev.21:4
4 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Eph 2:20
and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The New Testament Church was formed through the teaching and preaching of the Apostles as handed down from Jesus Christ.

 And in reply to  apposition   Gal 3:28 here is what many  FAIL  to see .

It reads There is  NEITHER / OV  is a  DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE  Pronoun and the same Greek word is in Col 3:11 .

There are 4  Greek word , UN , MN , ME , and  OV  that are Negative  Pronouns and all 4  mean and these  Greeks words are used some 96 times in the  bible .

Check  A  MANUL GRAMMAR OF THE GREEKNEWNN TESTAMENT by  DANA and  MANTEY  and see pages  264 - 267  and see .

As  OV  conveys a subjective and  conditional denial .

Also notice that Gal 3:28 begins with  There  CANNOT  BE / OV Jew nor  Greek .

Col 3:11 begins with Where there  CANNOT  BE / OV Greek and Jew ,  notice that in Col 3:11 the  word  Jew is now  SECOND ,  WHY ??

dan p

Quote from: Alan on Tue Feb 17, 2015 - 18:18:28Hi dan, Gal 3:28 is referring to preferences and not distinctions, you seem to have got your understanding drastically out of whack.

And   the b  Greek  CANNOT // OV    is  a   Greek  ,  DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE  NEGATIVE    and  that   NEGATIVE means  the   CANNOT   EVER  be  Jew  nor   Greek there   CANNOT //  OV , and   other   NEGATIVE as   we   ARE //  ESTE is  in  the   Greek  present  tense ,  all  are   one   in  Christ  Jesus ,

Then  in  Col  3:11  e   have   another like  in   Gal  3:28  ,

In other   Words there  are Greeks  and   Jews  ,  CIRCUMCISION ,  and   Uncircumcision ,  Scythians , Slaves ,  Free ,  but   Christ  is the  all  things and  in  all  .

dan p