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It is not in the Bible !?

Started by wincam, Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 13:57:05

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wincam

Protestants insist that if it is not in the bible it should not be believed or accepted

It is not in the Bible that

Mary had children other than Jesus or that Jesus said at Jn.3 that Christians must be born again or that they were/are specially inspired or indwelt by the Holy Spirit - wincam

MeMyself


wincam

yes - still taking it and giving it at 86 + in His service, a fool for Christ - wincam

chosenone

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You must have a different Bible than mine.

http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm

Also

Question: "Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?"

Answer: Jesus' brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus' mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus' brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.

Some Roman Catholics claim that these "brothers" were actually Jesus' cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for "brother" is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for "cousin," and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus' cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus' mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.

A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus' brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage. An entire theory of Joseph's being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented without any biblical basis. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary's trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?

There is no biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: "But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus" (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God's Word.


Being born again

John 3 v 5

I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You[d] must be born again.' 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

wincam

it stands exactly as stated - most problems are caused by slipshod and careless reading and interpretation as is the case here - wincam 

chosenone

Quote from: wincam on Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 14:37:58
it stands exactly as stated - most problems are caused by slipshod and careless reading and interpretation as is the case here - wincam


SO basically you are denying what the Bible says because it doesn't agree with what you think.  ::doh:: ::pondering:: ::shrug:: ::headscratch:: ::eek::

grace

Quote from: wincam on Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 13:57:05
Protestants insist that if it is not in the bible it should not be believed or accepted

It is not in the Bible that

Mary had children other than Jesus or that Jesus said at Jn.3 that Christians must be born again or that they were/are specially inspired or indwelt by the Holy Spirit - wincam
1 Corinthians 6:19: "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;"
ote]

Tertullian

Quote from: wincam on Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 13:57:05
Protestants insist that if it is not in the bible it should not be believed or accepted

It is not in the Bible that

Mary had children other than Jesus or that Jesus said at Jn.3 that Christians must be born again or that they were/are specially inspired or indwelt by the Holy Spirit - wincam

You can believe things not in the Bible, but things in the Bible should be the only absolute doctrine. 

The Bible teaches Jesus had siblings, contradicting Catholic tradition.

wincam

there is no doubt, whatsoever, that the bible teaches that Jesus had brothers and sisters but it does not teach that they were Mary's children, in fact evidence suggests exactly the opposite viz it does not come across that they were younger than Jesus, were jealous of Him and thought He was mad and tried to restrain Him and as His nearest next of kin did not claim His body for burial nor provide a home for His mother on His death - as stated it is not in the Bible and should not and is wrongly presumed nor is it in the Bible that Christians must be born again as Christians exactly as already stated so why blatantly choose the opposite option - wincam   

RB

Quote from: Tertullian on Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 17:39:09You can believe things not in the Bible, but things in the Bible should be the only absolute doctrine. 
While I whole heartily believe this statement, you need to practice the same when it comes to your corrupt Preterism. That whole system is supported by "extra biblical" source, mainly from the infidel Josephus!

AVZ

Quote from: wincam on Wed Aug 31, 2016 - 13:57:05
Protestants insist that if it is not in the bible it should not be believed or accepted

It is not in the Bible that

Mary had children other than Jesus or that Jesus said at Jn.3 that Christians must be born again or that they were/are specially inspired or indwelt by the Holy Spirit - wincam

If its not in the Bible, then it must be true/false (delete what you think is applicable), else it would have been in the Bible.

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