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Quote from: KiwiChristian on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 15:58:02
What a shame i am not allowed to discuss that topic. Very clever of you to sneak that in.

I didn't have to sneak anything, it's a fact jack. 

Catholics are not Christians.  Baptists are not Christians.

There may be Christians that belong to the (Roman) Catholic church or the myriad of baptist churches, but that is through christ, not their church.

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 17:19:16Catholics are not Christians.  Baptists are not Christians.

I don't think that is what you really mean to say.  You might want to reword that.

Quote from: 4WD on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 17:27:06
I don't think that is what you really mean to say.  You might want to reword that.

Your quotation of one part of what I wrote is proof of your lack of reading comprehension.

Quote from: KiwiChristian on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 15:58:02
What a shame i am not allowed to discuss that topic. Very clever of you to sneak that in.

@KiwiChristian, please could you answer what your aim and point is in these threads if not to endeavor to change a mind or two?

Quote from: Texas Conservative on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 17:19:16
Catholics are not Christians.  Baptists are not Christians.

There may be Christians that belong to the (Roman) Catholic church or the myriad of baptist churches, but that is through christ, not their church.

You have just violated the rules of the forum.

When I said something similair, i was banned for a time.

I do hope the moderators are consistent.

We shall see.

Quote from: MeMyself on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 18:35:07
@KiwiChristian, please could you answer what your aim and point is in these threads if not to endeavor to change a mind or two?

Certainly. To simply discuss these apparently-atrocious teachings/people.

Quote from: KiwiChristian on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 21:47:51
Certainly. To simply discuss these apparently-atrocious teachings/people.

You must really hate them.

While I disagree with some Catholic beliefs, I hold no animosity to them or their history. I would rather just deal with the here and now and try to share different points of view regarding some of their beliefs. And, I have it as one major goal to change a mind or two. I certainly expect any one or more of those folks to do the same in my direction and for the same reason.

On a side note, I have recently seen somebody say (somewhere) that nobody is going to change their minds, what with the endless debating over the same topics again and again. Then why come here?

I have three goals here: 1) to learn stuff I don't presently know, even to have my mind changed about something I think I know the truth of. It has happened before. 2) to teach someone, or even change somebody else's mind where I think my point of view can be a benefit. 3) to enjoy the camaraderie that exists here. 

Quote from: KiwiChristian on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 21:46:59
You have just violated the rules of the forum.

When I said something similair, i was banned for a time.

I do hope the moderators are consistent.

We shall see.

If you were to read the rules, you would know I did not break them.

Quote from: soterion on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 22:11:01
You must really hate them.

While I disagree with some Catholic beliefs, I hold no animosity to them or their history. I would rather just deal with the here and now and try to share different points of view regarding some of their beliefs. And, I have it as one major goal to change a mind or two. I certainly expect any one or more of those folks to do the same in my direction and for the same reason.

On a side note, I have recently seen somebody say (somewhere) that nobody is going to change their minds, what with the endless debating over the same topics again and again. Then why come here?

I have three goals here: 1) to learn stuff I don't presently know, even to have my mind changed about something I think I know the truth of. It has happened before. 2) to teach someone, or even change somebody else's mind where I think my point of view can be a benefit. 3) to enjoy the camaraderie that exists here. 

I think that its loving and right to try and help people to see errors in their beliefs. There are ways of doing it, sure, but the Bible commends people who made sure that what they were taught was in line with the scriptures and we must all do that as well. The RC church has added on so much to what the Bible says, because they believe that their fallible church leaders views and teachings hold as much weight as Gods word. All that we believe MUST be in line with His Word, and if it isn't, or even contradicts it, then we should discard it.

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 22:56:08
I think that its loving and right to try and help people to see errors in their beliefs. There are ways of doing it, sure, but the Bible commends people who made sure that what they were taught was in line with the scriptures and we must all do that as well. The RC church has added on so much to what the Bible says, because they believe that their fallible church leaders views and teachings hold as much weight as Gods word. All that we believe MUST be in line with His Word, and if it isn't, or even contradicts it, then we should discard it.

I agree.

There are different approaches a person can take to try and reach those believed to be in error. I am saying this not just in regard to the recent threads in the Catholic Forum, but in any and all of our discussions on any forum. I think motives for posting also matters. If it's just to tell somebody, "You're wrong and so is your history," while it may not be wrong per forum rules, it does seem kind of unhealthy.

I have a coworker and friend who recently went Eastern Orthodox, and that relationship helps me to temper how I may feel about those who differ from me and how to converse with them. A hardline approach of just castigation is not the best, I would think.

Quote from: soterion on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 23:11:45
I agree.

There are different approaches a person can take to try and reach those believed to be in error. I am saying this not just in regard to the recent threads in the Catholic Forum, but in any and all of our discussions on any forum. I think motives for posting also matters. If it's just to tell somebody, "You're wrong and so is your history," while it may not be wrong per forum rules, it does seem kind of unhealthy.

I have a coworker and friend who recently went Eastern Orthodox, and that relationship helps me to temper how I may feel about those who differ from me and how to converse with them. A hardline approach of just castigation is not the best, I would think.

I agree. Sometimes passion and conviction can be confused with castigation.

And yes, sometimes I need to take a step back.

Quote from: soterion on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 22:11:01
You must really hate them.

Whoa. that is soooo not true.

i really hate catholicISM, mormonISM, communISM, etc.

Quote from: KiwiChristian on Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 04:55:33
Whoa. that is soooo not true.

i really hate catholicISM, mormonISM, communISM, etc.

And your hatred blinds you and stops your ears.

Why do you think you are infallible?

Quote from: chosenone on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 22:56:08
All that we believe MUST be in line with His Word, and if it isn't, or even contradicts it, then we should discard it.

Amen

No Catholic doctrine (properly understood) contradicts Scripture (properly interpreted).

Quote from: winsome on Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 05:45:00
Amen

No Catholic doctrine (properly understood) contradicts Scripture (properly interpreted).

I cant agree, many of the main beliefs and teachings of the RC church are either not in the Bible or contrary to the Bibles teaching. Thats why I have rejected them.

Quote from: chosenone on Sun Apr 15, 2018 - 05:53:40
I cant agree, many of the main beliefs and teachings of the RC church are either not in the Bible or contrary to the Bibles teaching. Thats why I have rejected them.

Not in the Bible is not the same as contradicting the Bible, although I think all doctrines have some basis in the Bible.

Quote from: soterion on Sat Apr 14, 2018 - 23:11:45
I agree.

There are different approaches a person can take to try and reach those believed to be in error. I am saying this not just in regard to the recent threads in the Catholic Forum, but in any and all of our discussions on any forum. I think motives for posting also matters. If it's just to tell somebody, "You're wrong and so is your history," while it may not be wrong per forum rules, it does seem kind of unhealthy.

I have a coworker and friend who recently went Eastern Orthodox, and that relationship helps me to temper how I may feel about those who differ from me and how to converse with them. A hardline approach of just castigation is not the best, I would think.

I am personally not out to get anyone to change their faith tradition. If they are as secure in their faith as I am and are trying to live a holy life in the context of where they worship that is fine with me. My only desire here is to defend my faith tradition and to point out that in reality the only thing others got going is a different interpretation of the Scriptures that they in good conscience think is the correct interpretation.  We can share our different viewpoints, but in the end the only thing we can do is to agree that we disagree.

I myself go to Baptist services from time to time conducted by chaplains at truck stops when I cannot get to a Catholic Church. I enjoy the fellowship with fellow believers in Christ and hearing the Christian message once again helps keep me on track.